Love videos like these. I learn more from 20 minute videos like this than hours of random googling and reading forums of people arguing over what timing is safe/what afr to focus on. Thanks Matt!
Best break down of A/F and timing I've seen. Truck is super happy now and no longer going crazy lean and cutting out right before the 1-2 shift! Thanks for sharing the wisdom. Now I just need a Sloppy Best Cam!
I am soooooo glad I found this video! I just got a terminator x and would like to tinker a bit once I get it running, now I feel confident I’ll get it good enough to get it to the dyno 👍
Dear @Sloppy Mechanics I love you very much and you are a genius. I had major exhaust backfiring that I couldn't find the source of the problem with the base tune, never understood timing, and what the issue was... You have made it so I can drive around without the neighbors thinking there is a drive by shooting. Thank you!
Nick Ottensmeier You don’t need this dude to figure it out. It’s basic. Hell the terminator base tune will get you started. My biggest complaint with the Holley base tunes is lack of resolution in boost. This is easily fixed with some table scaling. What your gunna need the most help with is idle and drivability. Something you won’t find any help with on this channel
Thank you Matt! I realized from watching this that my intermittent stall at idle when hot is probably because I only had 20 degrees in it right to 0 rpm. I will add some in!
Thanks again for all the info. Watching all of you videos motivated me to build my own turbo kit for my 72 duster. It's not an LS but a 360 LA motor.I basically followed your formula. It's got a VS Racing 78/75 all custom piping with block hugger headers. It's got the Holley super sniper setup. Runs great and your tuning videos have helped greatly. Keep up the great work, we all appreciate it.
Thanks Matt really appreciate the time you spend to teach us old school carb guys to get into efi. I worked at a shop for three years doing all 1000hp plus vettes and camaros and vipers and all the high dollar builds and our tuner was such a irrigant snooty I know everything and don’t have time to explain it to you tuning snob and you just clarified more In 20 mins than he did in 3 years. I’m gona run the terminator on my build I’m doing now and I just want to be decent at it and do it all my self start to finish. I saved this vid. Thank you. Keep up the killing it we all appreciate it to no end. That’s why guys send you cool stuff your a good guy.
Thank you! Hearing you talk through this while watching you change the area. Speaking for all of us trained by the generation that look at an engine without a distributor as though it were witchcraft, videos like these comfort me! 😁
Great video. It’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood when I wake up to a Sloppy notification. This helps me with my 6.6l gen 1 on Holley commander 950 dinosaur.
YES! I struggled with this last year after I got my TermX on my cammed lq4. Drove around but was far from optimized and running perfect. This will be super useful when spring comes and I can get back to hot rodding. I will take all the holley basic tutorial content you can make haha
This was an awesome video! I have the Holley Sniper on my Mustang 302 engine and this tutorial makes a ton of sense even if I am not running an LS. Thank you for posting this.
I would absolutely love to see a live dyno tuning session, twin camera angle and screen recording maybe and just talk about what you are doing, na, turbo, pump or e85 I’ll eat that shit up for breakfast haha
Big fan of the channel! I’ve gotten all of my confidence in working on my truck from this channel. Currently have a mild cam 4.8 with a 78/75 Chinese turbo. I’ve slowly been upgrading stuff on it and learning as I go now I’m really intrigued by this video and after I’m finished moving I wanna pull the trigger on a Holley ecu and try to start learning the ways of the tuner! I know I’ll probably mess something up but this video gives me serious confidence that I won’t just be wasting my time I can learn from trial and error so any future tuning videos I would be very grateful.
awesome! thank you for posting this. i hope to have an all motor LQ4 w/862s, sloppy3 cam. etc. up and running here soon. nice to have all this info in one spot, and relatable.
all for more of the tuning vids. Holley for sure. And maybe some videos that addresses some of the quirks of the not as easy to find settings on factory pcm, like how to adjusting timing and fuel on a 3bar flex tune and your car is killing way to much power on say E65 ethanol compared to running perfect at say E78. What exact procedure on some oddball issues for novice like that
First, thank you for taking the time to put this up...LS Timing tutorials are few and far between....unfortunately, my car did not like this tune wanted to idle around 1200 rpm at 14 AFR and was hunting like crazy
Thanks for taking the timing and going over this Denbob. I scooped up a Terminator X Max a couple weeks ago to run my cammed L33 swap. Looking forward to firing it up in the coming weeks.
Definitely helpful. I had a pisser of a time trying to figure out what was a safe ignition map for an AMC project in the driveway. I'm focused on moving right now but Terminator X might be the next thing I do to my LS truck.
Great video. Be cool to see a new tune on the dyno and see how you go about setting it up and finding where yo add and subtract timing and fuel to gain hp. Big dyno numbers are cool but seeing where you made the changes to get to those final numbers is what I find interesting.
I have a couple subjects you can cover if youre up to it.. First issue is getting a factory tach to run off of Terminator X without buying any filters/amplifiers or current changing relays and discussing the different types of tachs and their correct terminology and specs as to how they operate so people can differentiate between them. The other issue is getting 10.1" tablet dash hooked-up to the speedometer in a stickshift truck/car with a 2 wire VR sensor. My truck has 3 speed sensors..One on the Tremec TKO600,one on the stock speedometer drive and one on the rearend to choose from but all are 2 wire..I see Tick performance makes a 3 wire but its like $150.00.. Thanks for making the informative vids.
Congrats on 100k subs. Sorry about the clutch. On to bigger and better things. I'm running Holley sniper on my vortech blown 350 SBC. I have a pretty good fuel and timing table but I'm always glad to see more info on tuning these systems. Vortech v3 si centrifugal supercharger. Trick Flow heads. Comp roller cam. Sniper 4150 tbi.
It would be awesome to see this same thing on a turbo setup please! Along with the tricks and tips on taking the data collected from data logging and applying it to making changes like you mention at the end of this video.
thanks for doing this big time helpful...when i ran the wizard I copied what you loaded in for the fire hazard truck firmware update video, I have single snail job but still figured its better than any uneducated guess I would have made.
Hey. Early in your video, you said that 18-22 degrees is suitable for most cams. Why are there such big numbers at the bottom of your sample spark table? Thanks for the video.
I really enjoyed this video, it helped me with my terminator x max! but I could really use some help with my base fuel and spark maps for 5.3 turbo on E85 Thanks a lot!!!!!!
well I'm here to learn something now, I have been watching your videos for years but I am a carb guy I change jets and read plugs change timing by turning the distributor, so I just jumped the fence and got sniper efi with the hyperspark for the 383 I just built and yeah...wont even idle lol glad you made videos on this stuff because I feel pretty dumb right about now
Excellent!! Thank you. Explaining what to do, how to do it, and why do it all together is super helpful. You save so many people a ton of time/frustration.
With all the free time most of us have right now stuck at home I would be down for a step by step holley terminator online tuning course. I'm pretty familiar with haltech, rom raider and Honda chipped stuff but the more I learn the more I realize I need to learn. I know you like to provide a service for all us slops free of charge and people will throw a hissy fit but those are the same ones who never build anything anyway. A reasonable entry fee for the course that also doubles as an entry for a terminator x max as the grand prize and even if you don't win you get a sizeable discount towards the purchase of a terminator system. It could be a win win for holley because if I put one in my car and it runs really good now maybe my buddy wants one too because I can tune it pretty well.
Just getting into tuning Terminator X. What could cute lean condition on deceleration? Timing and fuel seems fine on handheld while idling, cruising and WOT. But as soon as I let off and hit the brakes it goes lean (like 16-21). Gen 3 5.3 TBSS, 1 7/8 long tubes th400 4.30 gears (big tires Jeep).
Just beginning my Sniper tuning and my out of the box Wizard experience has not been as good as advertised. I think the way you explained it makes a lot of sense. Thank you!
Awesome vid Matt, as I plan to scoop a Term X Max soon.. Edit: something I've struggled to understand is if You enable flex, do You have to make two complete maps for Pump gas, and then E? Or does the Holley automatically adjust the tune based on Ethanol percentage? Thanks again Matt, awesome vid as usual.
thank you! id love some stick car tuning tips. my autos were all fairly easy but this ar5 truck is a bear to get to come off RPM as you push in the clutch to stop. ordered the can to USB cable today.
When using the track for results I was told to add timing until it stops picking up mph? Problem is I got up close to 30° and still picking up mph. What are you looking for on the track to help with tuning?
Thanks for the video, great information! When you said if you run e85, you want to be around 12.6 I think, is that with a flex fuel sensor adjusting the alcohol content? Cause don’t you have to add around 25-30% everywhere in the fuel curve or table? That part was a little confusing to me.
Matt, thanks for everything you do. I know you do pretty much all of your tuning on the dyno, but if you don't have access to one, what would be the best way tell if your changes are working with on the road tuning? Thanks
i mention in the video a GPS logger like DRAGY or using the race track or similar, or just pulling plugs, its nice to try and use all of them and see if they agree
I'm learning about ignition timing, can you further elaborate the 36 degrees of timing portion at the bottom? I see that it is in the furthest range of vacuum, but what does the advance do for us down there?
easy answer is it will double or triple your cruise mileage, with the low load the engine is able to get much more spark advance in without pre-igniting causing longer more complete burn bascially all +++++ narratives
Love videos like these. I learn more from 20 minute videos like this than hours of random googling and reading forums of people arguing over what timing is safe/what afr to focus on. Thanks Matt!
I second that!
Thank you! This general idea fixed a pinging under heavy load issue I've had in the stock 6.0 I dropped into my tow pig! I appreciate the wisdom!
Best break down of A/F and timing I've seen. Truck is super happy now and no longer going crazy lean and cutting out right before the 1-2 shift! Thanks for sharing the wisdom. Now I just need a Sloppy Best Cam!
That's Matt. You really make this easier for us to understand.
I am soooooo glad I found this video! I just got a terminator x and would like to tinker a bit once I get it running, now I feel confident I’ll get it good enough to get it to the dyno 👍
Dear @Sloppy Mechanics I love you very much and you are a genius. I had major exhaust backfiring that I couldn't find the source of the problem with the base tune, never understood timing, and what the issue was... You have made it so I can drive around without the neighbors thinking there is a drive by shooting. Thank you!
I would love to see a basic overview of a turbo ls starting point
Nick Ottensmeier You don’t need this dude to figure it out. It’s basic. Hell the terminator base tune will get you started. My biggest complaint with the Holley base tunes is lack of resolution in boost. This is easily fixed with some table scaling. What your gunna need the most help with is idle and drivability. Something you won’t find any help with on this channel
Nicholas speaking of that, do you know of anyone on TH-cam offering idle and drivability tuning advice for gen 3 turbo LS? Emphasis on drivability
@@dr1ver267 Joe Simpson does alot of idle tuning stuff
Great job explaining. Thanks.
Most the SBFs end up around 28-36 depending on heads. More aggressive cams wilk favor 13.2-13.8”
I will smash the like button with a hammer for any and all tuning videos. General info like this is worth its weight in gold.
THANKS... Great video... I learned more in this video than I had from anywhere else.
5 mins in and I already knew problems with my tune haha thanks Matt
Thank you Matt! I realized from watching this that my intermittent stall at idle when hot is probably because I only had 20 degrees in it right to 0 rpm. I will add some in!
Awesome information. I am tuning my Sniper for my built small block and your videos helped me greatly! Thanks!
Thanks again for all the info. Watching all of you videos motivated me to build my own turbo kit for my 72 duster. It's not an LS but a 360 LA motor.I basically followed your formula. It's got a VS Racing 78/75 all custom piping with block hugger headers. It's got the Holley super sniper setup. Runs great and your tuning videos have helped greatly. Keep up the great work, we all appreciate it.
Awesome, thank you for the comment and glad I could help!
@@SloppyMechanics I need your help with my timing can I email u my file
Thanks Matt really appreciate the time you spend to teach us old school carb guys to get into efi. I worked at a shop for three years doing all 1000hp plus vettes and camaros and vipers and all the high dollar builds and our tuner was such a irrigant snooty I know everything and don’t have time to explain it to you tuning snob and you just clarified more In 20 mins than he did in 3 years. I’m gona run the terminator on my build I’m doing now and I just want to be decent at it and do it all my self start to finish. I saved this vid. Thank you. Keep up the killing it we all appreciate it to no end. That’s why guys send you cool stuff your a good guy.
Very informative, I like how you explained it all!
Nice to see some all motor stuff. Na and nitrous is not covered as much as the turbo stuff. Thanks for the solid information.
This was super helpful for my 6.0 big cam all motor tune! Now if only there was a video walking through the base fuel graph... thanks!
Coontuned PSA! Thanks for the wisdom dump, much needed info from someone in the know.
Thank you! Hearing you talk through this while watching you change the area. Speaking for all of us trained by the generation that look at an engine without a distributor as though it were witchcraft, videos like these comfort me! 😁
Great video. It’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood when I wake up to a Sloppy notification. This helps me with my 6.6l gen 1 on Holley commander 950 dinosaur.
these are my favorite types of videos you make, its nice to see you helping the little guys. gives me confidence while im learning to tune my truck.
YES! I struggled with this last year after I got my TermX on my cammed lq4. Drove around but was far from optimized and running perfect. This will be super useful when spring comes and I can get back to hot rodding. I will take all the holley basic tutorial content you can make haha
Just got the LS I built fired up with the terminator x, this AFR tuning is my next step so thanks for this!!
Thank you matt your wisdom is always appreciated
This is fantastic. A very clear explanation on what, where, and why. Thanks for taking the time.
This is fantastic! I would love to see how you tune trimming on the dyno. I would love to see this same video for a turbo car.
Thank you for the constant free education Matt. This information is so valuable, and appreciated. Please keep them coming!
This was an awesome video! I have the Holley Sniper on my Mustang 302 engine and this tutorial makes a ton of sense even if I am not running an LS. Thank you for posting this.
Thank you- I am using Holley Terminator X after switching from MS2/MSD on my n/a 5.3. This is very helpful👍
Huge help. Just knowing what load range each area of the table is for helps a ton.
Would definitely like more of these videos. Very helpful
its like you knew my terminator is being shipped early this week.
superbeeblaze on god 😂
Update?
I would absolutely love to see a live dyno tuning session, twin camera angle and screen recording maybe and just talk about what you are doing, na, turbo, pump or e85 I’ll eat that shit up for breakfast haha
Big fan of the channel! I’ve gotten all of my confidence in working on my truck from this channel. Currently have a mild cam 4.8 with a 78/75 Chinese turbo. I’ve slowly been upgrading stuff on it and learning as I go now I’m really intrigued by this video and after I’m finished moving I wanna pull the trigger on a Holley ecu and try to start learning the ways of the tuner! I know I’ll probably mess something up but this video gives me serious confidence that I won’t just be wasting my time I can learn from trial and error so any future tuning videos I would be very grateful.
This vid was killer. Great job matt
awesome! thank you for posting this. i hope to have an all motor LQ4 w/862s, sloppy3 cam. etc. up and running here soon. nice to have all this info in one spot, and relatable.
all for more of the tuning vids. Holley for sure.
And maybe some videos that addresses some of the quirks of the not as easy to find settings on factory pcm, like how to adjusting timing and fuel on a 3bar flex tune and your car is killing way to much power on say E65 ethanol compared to running perfect at say E78. What exact procedure on some oddball issues for novice like that
His 8s for 8s tune in the repository has ethanol scaling tables
Great video. My terminator is suppose to ship today, very excited to go from the stock computer setup to the holley
Great video. Just installed the TermX on my FBody. I should have watched this video along time ago. Keep up the good work Matt!!!!
First, thank you for taking the time to put this up...LS Timing tutorials are few and far between....unfortunately, my car did not like this tune wanted to idle around 1200 rpm at 14 AFR and was hunting like crazy
Tps at 0% and iac numbers in their respective 1-10% at hot idle with even fuel numbers in their cells?
Sloppy Mechanics TPS is good and IAC is good. I’ll double check the even fuel numbers.
Thanks for taking the timing and going over this Denbob. I scooped up a Terminator X Max a couple weeks ago to run my cammed L33 swap. Looking forward to firing it up in the coming weeks.
Thank you for this. Coming from carbs, this really helped. I have a long way to got but feel more confident that I can move forward.
Definitely helpful. I had a pisser of a time trying to figure out what was a safe ignition map for an AMC project in the driveway. I'm focused on moving right now but Terminator X might be the next thing I do to my LS truck.
Great video Matt! people like us cannot thank you enough for these amazing informative videos!
Great video. Be cool to see a new tune on the dyno and see how you go about setting it up and finding where yo add and subtract timing and fuel to gain hp. Big dyno numbers are cool but seeing where you made the changes to get to those final numbers is what I find interesting.
I have a couple subjects you can cover if youre up to it.. First issue is getting a factory tach to run off of Terminator X without buying any filters/amplifiers or current changing relays and discussing the different types of tachs and their correct terminology and specs as to how they operate so people can differentiate between them. The other issue is getting 10.1" tablet dash hooked-up to the speedometer in a stickshift truck/car with a 2 wire VR sensor. My truck has 3 speed sensors..One on the Tremec TKO600,one on the stock speedometer drive and one on the rearend to choose from but all are 2 wire..I see Tick performance makes a 3 wire but its like $150.00.. Thanks for making the informative vids.
Very helpful I’ll be setting mine up soon. Please keep doing more videos like this.
Thanks so much Matt , Holley had me at 36
Just the video I have been waiting for.
Congrats on 100k subs. Sorry about the clutch. On to bigger and better things.
I'm running Holley sniper on my vortech blown 350 SBC. I have a pretty good fuel and timing table but I'm always glad to see more info on tuning these systems.
Vortech v3 si centrifugal supercharger. Trick Flow heads. Comp roller cam. Sniper 4150 tbi.
Jetting has always been fun. Pretty cool.
It would be awesome to see this same thing on a turbo setup please! Along with the tricks and tips on taking the data collected from data logging and applying it to making changes like you mention at the end of this video.
thanks for doing this big time helpful...when i ran the wizard I copied what you loaded in for the fire hazard truck firmware update video, I have single snail job but still figured its better than any uneducated guess I would have made.
Hey. Early in your video, you said that 18-22 degrees is suitable for most cams. Why are there such big numbers at the bottom of your sample spark table? Thanks for the video.
that is the highway cruise low load portion of the map, the 18 down low 22 ish up top is for WOT absolute load
@@SloppyMechanics Got it. Your video is great. Thank you for the reply. I subbed!
Thanks for the information! More videos like this in the future please.
Thanks so much for the video! Found it very helpful and I learned alot!!
Love the tech videos man. Keep up the good work
Very useful information. 👍🏼
Hey matt love these videos.gets someone headed in the right direction
I really enjoyed this video, it helped me with my terminator x max! but I could really use some help with my base fuel and spark maps for 5.3 turbo on E85 Thanks a lot!!!!!!
This helped me tremendously. Thanks!
Yep more tuning vids like this would be great and helpful!
well I'm here to learn something now, I have been watching your videos for years but I am a carb guy I change jets and read plugs change timing by turning the distributor, so I just jumped the fence and got sniper efi with the hyperspark for the 383 I just built and yeah...wont even idle lol glad you made videos on this stuff because I feel pretty dumb right about now
Excellent!! Thank you. Explaining what to do, how to do it, and why do it all together is super helpful. You save so many people a ton of time/frustration.
this is really nice, it would be nice to see how knock sensors respond to a tuning with timing and AF ratios in a datalog
Awesome, debating on a 58x/4l80 holley setup now, seems more user friendly
Thank you so much for this. You are the true bob ross of the ls.
This makes the Bob Ross intros 100x better because you're literally painting happy tuning tables lol Papa Ross would be proud!
Extremely informative man. Thank you 🫡
Thank you Dr. Sloppy for a great video!
That was extremely helpful even though I don't have a NA car. Thank you!
You talked me into the Terminator X, Ill take all the knowledge!
thank you! very easy to understand, great vid!
Great video for us 5.3/ss2 guys still saving up to make the jump to turbo in the future but need some N/A info
all praise the might denmah! all hail!
Great information keep it coming be firing my lq4 on terminator x max shortly what I don't know yet is there any transmission tuning capability???
yes, pretty much all you can think of
Great video. Helped me out a lot.
Literally the best intro video for Holley tuning I have found haha thanks man!!!!
Thanks for your video! Great info.
With all the free time most of us have right now stuck at home I would be down for a step by step holley terminator online tuning course. I'm pretty familiar with haltech, rom raider and Honda chipped stuff but the more I learn the more I realize I need to learn. I know you like to provide a service for all us slops free of charge and people will throw a hissy fit but those are the same ones who never build anything anyway.
A reasonable entry fee for the course that also doubles as an entry for a terminator x max as the grand prize and even if you don't win you get a sizeable discount towards the purchase of a terminator system. It could be a win win for holley because if I put one in my car and it runs really good now maybe my buddy wants one too because I can tune it pretty well.
Just getting into tuning Terminator X. What could cute lean condition on deceleration? Timing and fuel seems fine on handheld while idling, cruising and WOT. But as soon as I let off and hit the brakes it goes lean (like 16-21). Gen 3 5.3 TBSS, 1 7/8 long tubes th400 4.30 gears (big tires Jeep).
Could just be decel fuel cut off
Very Informative video. Thanks for sharing. Going to apply this logic with HPT (I'm a rookie).
Any reason not to use the simple table punch in your numbers, let it populate, and go back into the 2d table and adjust from there?
Awsome advice. Learned lots.
I would love to see this video on a LS turbo. Great information!
Just beginning my Sniper tuning and my out of the box Wizard experience has not been as good as advertised. I think the way you explained it makes a lot of sense. Thank you!
Please continue to do more videos like this!
Outstanding sir. I'll try applying this to my sniper and see how ot turns out.
Thanks Matt, this was super helpful!!
Awesome vid Matt, as I plan to scoop a Term X Max soon..
Edit: something I've struggled to understand is if You enable flex, do You have to make two complete maps for Pump gas, and then E? Or does the Holley automatically adjust the tune based on Ethanol percentage?
Thanks again Matt, awesome vid as usual.
The Holley can handle the spark addition and fuel changes I’ll go over that in another video
thank you! id love some stick car tuning tips. my autos were all fairly easy but this ar5 truck is a bear to get to come off RPM as you push in the clutch to stop. ordered the can to USB cable today.
Love these vids!! Do a generalized boosted table as well!
When using the track for results I was told to add timing until it stops picking up mph? Problem is I got up close to 30° and still picking up mph. What are you looking for on the track to help with tuning?
How would you implement flex on an all motor tune such as this? Thanks ahead of time.
Same as the turbo setups
Thanks for the video, great information! When you said if you run e85, you want to be around 12.6 I think, is that with a flex fuel sensor adjusting the alcohol content? Cause don’t you have to add around 25-30% everywhere in the fuel curve or table? That part was a little confusing to me.
the flex sensor can add the fueling, and also modify the air fuel target and spark amounts, ill do another video going over this and turbo setups etc
Sloppy Mechanics awesome thanks!
@@SloppyMechanics did you do this video yet? If so can you make a Holley playlist?
Matt, thanks for everything you do. I know you do pretty much all of your tuning on the dyno, but if you don't have access to one, what would be the best way tell if your changes are working with on the road tuning? Thanks
i mention in the video a GPS logger like DRAGY or using the race track or similar, or just pulling plugs, its nice to try and use all of them and see if they agree
I'm learning about ignition timing, can you further elaborate the 36 degrees of timing portion at the bottom? I see that it is in the furthest range of vacuum, but what does the advance do for us down there?
easy answer is it will double or triple your cruise mileage, with the low load the engine is able to get much more spark advance in without pre-igniting causing longer more complete burn bascially all +++++ narratives
What other changes would be needed for a father 5.3 with stock ecu, please and thank you