Honda Civic Type-R vs Hyundai Elantra N Driver Battles
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Get ready for an adrenaline-fueled showdown in this episode of Driver Battles! Witness the ultimate clash between two powerhouse contenders: the iconic Honda Civic Type R and the formidable Hyundai Elantra N, as they go head-to-head in a gripping track attack battle. With both drivers equipped with Nitto NT01 tires, it's a true test of speed, precision, and skill. Who will emerge victorious with the fastest lap time at Chuckwalla Valley Raceway? Tune in to find out and experience the thrill of high-speed competition like never before!
00:00 Introduction
00:31 Driver Introduction
00:44 Sung Shin's Hyundia Elantra N and Mods
02:44 Jose Mejia's Honda Civic Type R and Mods
04:40 Track Attack Battle
07:07 Review of Driver Battles format
07:36 Driver Battle Results
08:14 Winner!
08:24 Post-race review
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I honestly see that as a win for the N. No tune, far less mods and a less track experienced driver.
HUGE WIN for the N
Okay, come on guys, this ain't fair at all. Driver experience nothwithstanding, the Type R has way wider tires (275 vs 245)-- that's a huge advantage even before the power mods, suspension mods, etc.. Don't sell yourself or the Elantra N short Sungzilla! Fantastic performance. See the Savage Geese video comparing a stock FL5 type R to a stock Elantra N (both manual) on the same tires, same driver, same track, same day and the lap times are within 1/10 of second of each other.
SavageGeese is a great channel. 🤫
“Huge advantage” the only “huge” difference between the two platforms is the price.
The Elantra N is so impressive. My brother in law has a stock 2025 Mustang GT and he lost to a slightly modified Elantra N on a track last weekend. In fact, the Elantra N beat just about everyone on the track that day. It’s such an impressive performance sedan.
1.7 second difference and the R was tuned. The N wasn't.
The R was on bigger front tires. Think if the N was on a tune with wider tires, it honestly would have won by a 2-3 seconds
The N is good but the engine will tell its story K series have gone 200k minimum service but yes N is special but the price the N is a winner
2-3 seconds is WAY too generous. They'd be closer, roughly even at best
@@vr4junkie385 veloster N has been running the engine and that's before the upgrades. Plenty getting into the 100000mile range already
@@CB-tx3ul I think spot on. The EN took the FWD record at gridlife for the street class at one of the recent events. It is currently in 2nd place overall... above Porsches and 2 hondas lol. People are still figuring them out/learning about them. Hyundai did something real special.
@@CB-tx3ul That being said, the N is quite impressive.
let's go Sung! Representing the N community
Elantra n would have gotten it in the quarter
Elantra N is $40,000, while the CTR is marked up to $70,000 in Canada. I'd get the N and the $30,000 difference
I’m waiting for my 24 N to come in and it really comes down to price.
35k here with 60k bumper to bumper? Sign me up!
Put me on driver battle I’ve got a FBO Custom Tuned Elantra N that I track every month
Great job Sungzilla for representing N community, I know there’s always be fighting between Honda Type R and Hyundai Elantra N, but I wish those cars were closer in terms of modifications. Of course drivers experience comes into play, but good job to both of them 💪🙂
I am thankful to the host for showing what a nearly stock Elantra N can do against a modded one. Type R owner had to fix the cooling to stay in this show. The Elantra N is ready to battle from the showroom, at a cheaper price.
Dang that was close 1.7 seconds!
EN 2.0T 276HP Stock DCT Curb: 3,296lbs
Springs
Shift Paddles
Mounts
Wheels
245 Tires
CTR 2.0T 306HP Tuned to 325HP MT Curb: 3,117lbs
Tune
Intake
Intercooler
Coils
Brake pads
Lip
Radiator
Mount
Rear Sway Bar
Wheels
275 Tires
EN driver with less track experience and less time on that track vs CTR driver with more track experience and more time on that track, I love both cars but it would've gotten real close had both had similar mods and driver experience, also just the tune alone 325HP can make a difference, on the EN just adding 5PSI makes a difference with 300-320WHP as opposed to stock.
Nonetheless it was a good race, you can see the performance of these cars, the EN definitely best bang for your buck at $35K~ MSRP, even with the GRC coming to MSRP its $40-45K (not counting core edition) and CTR if you can find them at MSRP starting $45K.
Respect to both drivers and their cars! and this goes to show not every car/driver performance will be the same.
*edit curb weight
EN works better with the square setup, so going to 255 tires all round, would have closed the gap. I'd be nice to know what type of sway bar and links were used for Type-R cause, it seemed above average tuning. Dynamic sound the sweeper was spot on, even with the significant mismatch in tire size.
also they should of octane learned the en
Auto vs manual is not a fair race. If Elantra driver had a manual he would of most likely lost by a larger margin.
@@jpizel1070 oh you made another good point, technically the EN DCT driver is at a disadvantage then because if you watch the video he uses paddle shifters (extended shifters on the mods list), DCT is quick but if you use the paddles it has a slight response delay, its good but not porsche lightning speed, the advantage the EN driver does have is he can keep two hands on the wheel for more stability rather than rowing the gears.. but again the DCT in manual mode is not as responsive as people would think, in this case if the Elantra driver had MT, tune, and larger tires he wouldve won
@@Specialist7 The driver also couldn't drive for shit, although I'm not any better lol.
Damn that's close. Nice battle
Sungzilla? I think i bought my N emblems from you on Reddit lol.
Same lmao
In what world does a tuned car go up against a stock one, and we use it as any kind of credible numbers? Along with experience, placing a huge factor in the times. Even with all that the Elantra N wasn't far off so props to the N.
Definitely would have been even if the tires were the same width and the Elantra N had the cooling + tune that the CTR had
EN wouldve won easily, all things equal. The CTR people know it's a better performer deep down, thank Albert Bierrman from BMW M performance
@@Jcastro9444can’t say it would have won easily until we see the race. 👍
Cooling isn’t winning races, neither is tire width. Also, he didn’t say it was tuned?
@@Zilla9k are you low functioning?
How does cooling not make a difference when you're banging out hot laps all day lmao. They're turbo charged 4 bangers, they heat soak quickly on stock intercooler.
Sxth element saw a 30 whp difference on stock tune for the EN on repeated pulls lmfao.
Now consider the type r is also tuned and on 275's. It's playing with a 50 whp advantage minimum before heat soak kicks in and makes it a bigger difference.
How does tire width not make a difference lmfao. What did you think wider tires are for?
How little do you need to know about motorsports to think that Tire width makes no difference. Then why is everyone in autocross pushing the widest tire they're allowed to. Why is everyone squeezing in the widest wheel they can fit for hpde.
Lmfao, guy said cooling and tire width doesn't win races. Brain rot
@@Zilla9k Cooling was everything in this show. Did you not hear the host say they spent the whole day trying to get the best lap. Type r are notorious for over heating on track days. No cooling mods, no extra tries to get the best lap.
Great video as always
Amazing work Sung! 🔥
First time seen this channel an all in one show (love the driver battles series) 👏👏🔥🔥🔥. Definitely something different from other platforms. I will subscribe ❤
tune and a lot more tire was probably the biggest difference.
Got me hooked good show 👍
I personally met SungZilla a couple of weeks ago. A super cool and knowledgeable dude! Great driving and representation of what the EN is capable of!
dat tire difference tho
Elantra N the budget Type R plus great DCT option
OOO DCT? Count me in.
Literally the only big difference between the two platforms is price.
With a better driver than the Hyundai would have come out on top. Buddy was pushing too hard, under steering, and just taking the wrong line. But he did say at the beginning the car needs a better driver and then he proved it.
Need a stock vs stock with the same driver.
Agree. Well, I don't know if I "need" stock vs stock, but at less then 2 seconds difference between the two, that's definitely in the realm of driver skill/experience differences. And for this test to be a bit more interesting, getting the same "pro" driver in both of these vehicles would be amazing.
Good battle!
You guys down to have another NC Miata on the channel? I’d love to do a driver battle with someone!
Comparing the Mods list on both cars the Type R was bound to Win .... Nice runs tho
Would love to see a fair comparison, this was interesting but the Civic is a notch up stock, and no contest when modified that much. It shows how good the Elantra really is.
That Elantra N does work
I got a Juke Nismo RS with Garrett gtx turbo. Any takers?😈
Wonder what the charge air temp differences were between the two with the CTR having an aftermarket one that must be better and more efficient at keeping the temps lower for much longer for better power. Tires should have been the same as well to keep things even.
So what really is it Jose says is stock tune then the modlist say it has flash pro. is it stock "hondata" tune or stock power?
I mean - idk how this is even remotely close to a "fair" competition. The EN basically just has the N Performance intake...meanwhile the FK8R has a whole slew of stuff done to it.
As per the listed mods: the EN has paddle shifters, wheels, springs, and lower engine mount. The FK8R has: flash tuner, intake, FMIC, coilovers, brake pads, radiator, engine mount, rear sway, front tire width, and wheels. (This is straight from the mod lists they provided for each car).
Like I said - this is not even REMOTELY close to a fair competition.
Those thicker tires on the R definitely helped. I wonder what out come would've been if the N ran the same size or close to it.
It can’t fit those tires lmao
2009 Lexus ISF, would love to see another ISF on the page!
Stock C6 (only pads/fluid) and alignment would love to compete.
I’d like to see a Honda civic si vs. a focus ST. I have a lightly modded 2017 Honda civic Si. I’d love to be part of the show! HMU!
I’m waiting on one. Better prices and better warranty
Need to get m an Elantra N but it's difficult to even find them
That it is my friend, whenever you find one get it immediately whatever color/trans is available. They get snatched up quick
The 23s all sold out so they were scarce. The 24s are finally arriving at dealers now tho so they will be more and more available in the coming weeks and months.
Get the 24. The previous version looks ugly asf
For the price Elantra N baby, and the honda was tuned, it's a loss in my mind for the type r, more expensive stock, then more money on a tune to be 1.7 faster on a 2 min track with wider tires.
1.7 seconds is a huge difference. There's no way a few mods are making up that time
Intercooler,wider tires, and the driver had much more experience on the track that is more than enough mods to make up that time.@@Dalan-S-Zydel
@soapyfish8954 intercooler isn't adding power and they had all day to hit fast laps so heat soak wasn't an issue. Dct is faster for these drivers because they aren't professionals.
@@Dalan-S-Zydel the driver alone is worth .85 secs per minute, not even considering the power difference, and tires.... With just 3k (downpipe,tune , intake)the N will smoke it. Ndriverkg had 410+ to the wheels (tuned by n75)..... with 3k. 1.7 is not impressive at all on a 2 min track.
Let's see a stock type r vs a stock n with one driver. See how fast the 1.7 diminishes.
@joerichardson6107 bro, the R beat the N at Car and Drivers lightning lap by 6 seconds 😂. Test price of that was 33k to 35k.
I wanna see what y'all would do with an Ioniq 5 N.
I see that Hyundai “N” my future. 🔥
I guess the DCT made up for the tune on the type r.
275 vs 245. Race pads vs stock pads. Can make a few second difference.
But you can tell EN being over driven while Type R is smoother.
I like how there are so many factors on the outcome.
This is what happens when a company builds a testing facility next to nurbugring
I would love to bring my RSX type S sometime.
Don't waste your money and energy in order to run slower. In the past, expensive automatic transmission wasted a lot of energy, so there was a reason to use manual transmission. But with DCT, you can drive faster by focusing on handling and braking. Only 7-speed DSG Golf R wins EN DCT which wins all MT cars(~300hp) even in drag.
A lot of people have to understand that the reason the Elantra n happened was because of the type r Hyundai bought a bunch of type r’s and just took everything the type r did good and they created a nice package as a sedan
Why the heck honda crop the trunk in type R , i want full sedan
The DCT was the killer here, even as an R owner myself, that DCT is the reason it kept up the way it did. Manual for manual it wouldn't have been nearly that close. It is a better car, hence the cost. The Elantra N is killer though, don't get me wrong. I've considered one multiple times for the sake of offering a DCT, but the R is just so special.
I got a 2023 6-speed Elantra N and got a Lap 3 stage 1.5 tune, which has me making over 300 whp. Yesterday I finally had the chance to catch a Civic Type-R on the freeway and after I smashed it looked like a Type-Awwwww :( I have never lost to a GTI and I don't think a FBO GTI can keep up with my tuned Elantra N. The car is amazing for the price. The Type R is a great car, but the history and ethos of the car means nothing today. Hyundai really stepped it up and I chose it over the R bc of the car-scalping stealership mark-ups. After they are done marking the price up, even the Civic SI was 35k! I got my Elantra N for 34k so they made the choice easy for me. The car is halfway paid off after a year of ownership and if I financed the R I would still be paying primarily on interest and modifying the bank's car.
Old skool, battle of the 1600cc
I would have never thought how close this would have been. I wouldn’t mind tracking against my older brother to see where we stand . He drives an M4 and I drive a MK7R. Both has light mods
If he has the g82, you wouldn't stand a chance. 😂
I would love to be on driver battle with my car.
Considering the mods, driver experience, and price...the N is the clear winner!
Stock Elantra vs tuned type r id like to see stock for stock
TYPE-R is awesome! Let’s go! 😎
I have EN can't afford the super markup of CTR FL5 and only 2 dealers in the Western Australia with set price from Honda no negotiable. CTR $75,000 and warranty does not cover track use.
Only 1.7 seconds faster for the Type R, huge win for the Elantra N, it's much cheaper.
Honestly, I think the N still has it for me. If it was like, even-even (N had similar mods to type R), it might have been a different race for the N.
Type r on top
@@That1lowaccordnah bro. How’s it on top when it had power mods and a much larger tire and the driver has more track experience and the EN is only 1 second behind the type-R. If the EN had 255-275 size tires that would’ve made the difference all in itself considering stock savage geese showed that on the same tire, same driver they’re only a tenth apart around the track. Stop fanboying and look at for what it really is with you slow ass accord 🤣🤷🏻♂️
@ctcdarkness take the L you drive a ugly ass slow Hyundai . The type r is on top like I said that's why it won 🤣
@@ctcdarkness this is the response you get from fan boys. Just because it’s a Honda its “better”. Type r can barely handle 3 hot laps before oil heating issues. EN can take a whole session with no issues. But still people come up with “type r on top” 😭
@@ctcdarkness They be trolling, they can't even buy a trike, let alone a car. I used to be a hardcore Honda fan (K20 era), but those days are long gone. The SI now comes with a fuel pump on the L15B that it is a literal fire hazard (4.5 million recalled), and the Type R heats up if tracked for more than a couple laps. It's literal trash, and they know it.
I think my GR corolla would be a good feature. Put my up against an FL5 type R
If you notice closely, the N driving line was off and that cost him to understeer. Im sure he corrected it later that day but it shows that it was R's driving experience that got him the victory. Good show.
All the Elantra N owners low key coping missing out on the video 5 months ago where an R went against an EVO X which is a better car than the N and they were pretty equal. Type R won it. Props to the N being a good driver tho
Let's gooooo
I think the 275 front tires on the R made a difference. Too bad they didn't run on stock tires !
Switching drivers would have been cool.
KDM EN COMMUNITY!! Thanks for representing Sungzilla.
I want to see a Kia Forte GT-line Turbo versus the Hyundai N!
Also I would love to race anyone in my 2020 150 K mile Carolla. I dear anyone to challenge me! 😅
The Type-R has cooling mods and a Hondata tune... bad comparison. Flash the R back to stock tune and it would have lost. Bad comparison.
But it's "stock" just brakes, coilovers, intercooler, radiator, intake, sway bar, and the tune...
Comparing a manual to a DCT is also generally a bad comparison, especially when the car is offered in a manual as well...
@@MaxPwr176a tune on a type R is significant especially with those other mods
N has dct so about even at most
@@dub88acc no…the dct vs a stock type R is even a modified type R is definitely above a dct N
The Type R wasn’t stock lol
Should have let the more experience track guy get times on both cars same driver different car best results
After seeing a stock EN get the street class FWD record at Grid Life and running within a couple seconds of Porsche's.... More experience the N would win. Impressive as he stated he really does not have track experience in the N. The bigger front tires helped the R for sure. A track that runs high into the rpms the R would take it most likely. I know you can mod the EN to get a little more out of the redline but those Honda engines sing in those higher rpms.
Civic camper not stock! Huh
4 to 9 grand more for the honda before Mark up this dose a good job of showing how close the Elantra N is compared to the type R to me its the better car for the money
Elantra N is amazing. 🎉
that type R got neutered. And also the Elantra guy...didn't he say he has Type R?
We crush CTR with a manual EN on track all of the time
Doesn't surprise me...at less then 2 seconds in this test...a lot of that is going to come down to driver skills. I can definitely see the N with a skilled driver beating a CTR with a less experienced driver.
Type R had more mods and more rubber up front. Give the N-the same type of upgrades...lets go
Why did you guys use a two year old Type R?
Stock to Stock, it's a tie (nod to the N). I'm getting a N. See all you Honda boi's at Laguna. Triple
Love both cars but this race was pretty unfair
I got an FK8 making 440 wheel lol
N is overall way better deal 😌
Only if the engine doesn't catch fire like many Hyundai's do.
@jpizel1070 of you talking about 2010-2018 then yeah they catch on fire lmfao. Not their new engines though.
@@jpizel1070 That is what Hondas are doing now. They are not what they used to be. Check out the one right now for a fuel pump causing a fire on 4.5 million vehicles.
@@S.Madman nah it’s still Honda over Hyundai on reliability.
@brandonharbe4119 better deal? They are the same price for the CTR tested.
Can I come out and bring my GR Corolla circuit I’ve changed the tire to a 245 continental extreme contact sport 02
The Elantra was stock to begin with, second Elantra has less horsepower than the fk8 , the person driving don’t have the same experience as the guy with the fk8 , fk8 have suspension, brake pads , tires and wheels , plus a tuned , you know that the Elantra n stock vs stock it was going to be another story , let’s be honest !!
Exactly .. had the same thought when i saw the fk8 mod list
Yeah but the Elantra is auto. I want to see a stock vs stock manual vs manual battle.
Auto makes a huge difference with lower skill drivers lol
Stock for stock the R is more equipped for track times though. The N is also a DCT which is definitely favorable unless you are a professional driver
@enmass90 and the manual elantra n is quicker around a track than a elantra n dct
A wobbly comparo… all different mods and different drivers, an Apple vs an orange with so many variables.. these tests should be common tyres only, everything else stock and same pro driver
Not a fair fight when the type r is hondata flashed with non oem sized tires. The elantra n beat the fl5 at Laguna Seca recording the fastest fwd car.
Stock for stock Type R all the way for me.
So bring 2 completely different class of cars (pricewise), add a ton more mods on the more expensive car, and win by a second? Honda really needs to get to work on the Civic R.
They are the same price. What are you on?
CTR tested was previous gen (17-21) with MSRP at $35.5k
@@jonnys_honda The Elantra N was not out until 2022. Year per year the Honda is more expensive, and finding one at MSRP then or now was/is impossible. The dealer mark ups made sure of that. No mark ups on the Elantra N.
@@S.Madmannot arguing with anything you’re say on that.
The argument is on the cars tested in the video. That CTR was $35.5k and was absolutely found for MSRP depending on your region. Markups are not found on new type r’s today because the Integra Type S came out at the higher price and evens out the pricing.
Elantra N depending on region is also no markup. But absolutely can be found with markup.
Now you’re out of luck if you’re in SoCal as everything is marked up period.
@@S.Madmanadditionally. No Type R was available for year 2022.
Understood type r today increased their MSRP*. But it’s not the one tested. It’s a different chassis all together.
@@jonnys_hondait's simply a slightly stiffer chassis. And not only that but the FK8 is actually faster than the fl5 from a dig. In the end the Elantra is the better deal
The elantra's line is so bad. He is a metre or 2 away from every apex while the honda is driving on the kerbs everytime.
Remember guys, It doesn't matter what's under the hood. The only thing that matters is who's behind the wheel.
get Patty Bois Elantra to destroy that FK8
Ummm what kinda comparison is this?? The type is is not stock the elantra is?!! Ummmm okkkk then
I didn't even watch the video yet & I know for a fact that 100% the Civic will win. Especially with Jose behind the wheel? Elantra is just happy to be invited. It's got nothing on the Civic. There's a reason why Han said "whatchu think, I'm gonna let you roll in a Hyundai?"
Edit: after watching the entire video & reading some comments, I still stand by my words. Oh boy everyone be hating on the Civic. Saying things like beat by only 1 second blah blah blah. 1 second is a lot in the racing world. It's true that the Civic had more stuff on it but everyone is forgetting that a race is a race. One person is going to have the upper hand in any competitive scenario & in this case, it was Jose with the track experience, bigger tires, probably race alignment, etc. You can't complain/argue about the other guy being "less" whether it be in preparation or what you bring to the fight because only children argue to recognize that type of comparison. We all want the underdog to win but c'mon, it's a Hyundai Lol. Took them long enough to get this far, & they were close, but being close is never good enough in terms of winning.
Is the same reason the Type R is losing on the IMSA Michelin Pilot Challenge (TCR). Proven championships, by professional drivers on nearly stock vehicles.
There definitely a disadvantage due to driver. On Car and Driver the type r faster 1 second for every minute stock for stock on the lighting lap board 5:13 . And the type r more modified in power and suspension then Elantra N. I think if Sun drove both would had gap himself 5 seconds. Sun is a far superior driver sadly this comparison doesn’t give him justice.
If race was manual vs manual the Elantra would of lost by a larger margin. Not a fair race tbh.
@@jpizel1070 Get rid of the price difference, and mods on the type R. Then you would have a point.
@@jpizel1070DCT isn't any faster on track. The Laguna EN record lap is a manual. If anything, the CTR put distance on the N in the straights and out of corners where it has more torque to the wheels (tuned).
Manuals have a lower COG and weigh 100lb less.
Off top I'm taking elantra n. I smoke civic r all the time in my amg. They are over priced and slow.
Was there ever a doubt
Sung!!
The N is better once tuned and setup correctly but then again Honda don't mess around
LOL then the engines grenade because they can't handle tuning
@@42cuba Source?
@S.Madman dude people don't tune these engines. I'm not giving you a source. Why do you think there's like no aftermarket for the engine. Look it's a great value car, there's a reason for it. You get what you pay for. Corners cut etc, structurally unsound, untunable etc
@@42cuba Have you even looked? There is aftermarket support internationally. Just go to google and type Elantra N aftermarket, let that answer anyone reading this. You are being close minded.
@@42cuba Google Elantra N aftermarket on Google. "Drop mic"
I am tired of people saying “drivers car” when it’s an automatic. Manual transmission should be required for the term drivers car.
EN comes in 6spd manual as well and the DCT def counts as a "drivers car." It's the closest thing to a real life racing Sequential. No modern performance cars are true manual at their peak, and if you think that it's the primary criteria for being considered an 'enthusiasts car', then you're deluded.
Might as well argue that any modern manual that has synchros, Rev matching, and electronics doesn't count either. Which is literally every manual car now. They're not purely mechanical and easier to clutch than older cars.
Go far back enough in technological purity and one could argue that the Horse and Carriage is the most visceral lmao. The absurdity has no limits.
yeah cars like the gt3rs and gt4rs and the sto are not drivers cars LMAO
@@Sayu2x Nope they are not. They are cars for track times that basically do everything for you. Just because a car is track capable doesn’t make it a drivers car. A car you actually have to drive is a drivers car.
@ardyshane23 So I guess every manual in the world is a drivers car and it's somehow impressive even though most senior citizens know how to row a couple gears? Get a fcking grip. A proper Dual Clutch transmission is what makes for a modern performance oriented drivers car no matter how hard you try to deny it.
And there's Manual options for the N cars anyway, so idk why you're so concerned about what is and what isn't for enthusiasts.
The shear arrogance on you lot, thinking you can gatekeep cars just because you like pushing on a clutch and playing with a stick all day. Manuals are fun, but they're not the pinnacle of engagement. It's an older and less efficient way to do the same exact thing that any sped can do with a car.
@@NGSMODEa car that drives for you is not a “drivers car.” You are correct, electronic nannies do take away from a car being a drivers car, and so does a DCT. A drivers car doesn’t have to be the fastest, it simply will engage with the driver the most requiring driver input and giving accurate feedback. A DCT removes one of the most important and skillful driver inputs and electronic aids take over the driver input and numb the feedback. There are plenty of arguments proving autos and electronics make cars faster, but good luck explaining how it increases driver engagement.
“Besides the overheating issue everyone has…”. Yea, you know, besides that.
I love Honda. But. No thanks.
Only fast guys will make the car overheat in the California desert road course. May not apply to you 👍
Type R for the W ❤
So…. Modded N vs Stock R?
Switch that around modded R vs stock N