What if Casey Stoner hadn't retired? | Crash.net
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- Whilst we wait with bated breath for the 2020 MotoGP campaign to start again next week, we’ve decided to gaze deeply into the crystal ball and this time ask, what could have been if Casey Stoner didn’t retire in 2012?
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I'm a Rossi fan, but Casey Stoner has more natural talent than most of the riders from the past 15 years. Fair play to walk away and be happy. Still reckon he would have had the measure of Marquez. His ability to go from pits to track and be on lap record pase straight away,was amazing. He rode the shit turning Ducati pretty well... even though it was fast. I wish he had stayed on in motogp...Stoner, Marquez, rossi,lorenzo, pedrosa, maverick, dovi, crutchlow, rinss, Miller, fabio... would have been amazing
@@efilrekib4446 he's a legend mate people remember him from so long ago winning championships 250 up. Respect and nostalgia I guess
@@efilrekib4446 not many people watch 125... 2015 is disputed and Rossi has brought multiple riders into Moto 2 and 3 and soon Moto gp through his own teams and schooling. It's an old bloke who can still take it to a few (half) or the younger riders and your suprised this a impresses people?
@@efilrekib4446 I watch Moto 2 and 3 and slot of local and national club racing series as well as BSB etc. Rossi has been round long enough to build a strong following, same as any sport. Point is he's an old boy halfway up the grid with an older style of riding and many people remember him riding against Hayden, stoner, Biaggi etc no wonder they like watching him
@@efilrekib4446 well said 👏🏻
@@efilrekib4446 THANK YOU SOME1 WITH A BRAIN
Stoner has a natural, raw talent that appears in very few riders (Marc Marquez). I think Marc and Casey are the two best riders I have ever had the pleasure of watching but where Marc can handle the politics and the media, Stoner couldn't. Fair play to him, he put his family first. I hope he's enjoying himself.
Hard not to include Rossi in this list. In his youth he was second to none. I keep reminding myself that Rossi was well into his years when Stoner came along. Also, it must be considered that Rossi had to reinvent himself with ecu and tire changes.
@@Bob-Maplethorpe Reasonable point, but who did Rossi really have to beat in his younger days? The competition was average at best. Biaggi? Strong 250 rider, not much cop on the big stuff. Same for Capirossi. Gibernau was great one day and at the back of the field the next. It wasn't until the likes of Lorenzo and Stoner came along that Rossi had any real competition. And remember that Stoner is still the only Ducati champion, Rossi was absolutely horrendous on that bike. Rossi always had the benefit of the best bikes and the best crew chief. As you may gather I'm not much of a Rossi fan. I respect his abilities but I don't like his mind games, often dirty riding, and his tendency to be so two faced. Watching Marc and Casey has me on the edge of my seat, their styles are incredible to watch. Vale is just boring in comparison. (Obviously my personal opinion.) 😊
@@yup.4901 now I have to go back and re-watch his early races!)
@@yup.4901 looking through the data and I wish that Casey was on a Honda in 2008. The 2007 season win was highly influenced by Casey being on Bridgestone tires. In 2008 Rossi won by a landslide, now on Bridgestones. After watching 2008 at Laguna I ask what would have happened if the Yamaha had even 5 kmph extra on the straight in those years. I agree that Casey was a master on that bike, mainly because he slid it so much to turn, as Marquez does. The Yamaha was a dog on the straight in those days and yet Rossi won, while besting Casey, Lorenzo and Pedrosa.
2008 Laguna shows that he is the best head to head racer I have ever seen, as he beat a guy who was far faster than he was. The Catalunya battle with Lorenzo suggested the same. I remember Lorenzo commenting that fighting with Rossi was hard because he thought so quickly.
On reflection I think I can say that Casey was the fastest rider of the lot, but he wasn't the best because he wasn't the most complete rider. On Yamahas I think Lorenzo would have bested Casey slightly, and Rossi was hands down better than Jorge.
This said, I think Marquez beats them all at his best.
As an aside. I went to Indianapolis in 2010 and noticed that Lorenzo was the rider who "sounded" different on the track. His throttle application was different than everyone.
@@yup.4901 I agree with everything you said. Rossi was great but he didn't have that unreal skill that Stoner and Marc have. Biaggi never won a title so it wasn't really a rivalry. The only other guy that amazes me like Marc and Stoner is Toprak.
Stoner constantly crushed all of them at testing sessions only a few years ago on the Ducati he was faster than everyone!
Yeah even Dovi said that although Stoner was only riding the Ducati a few times during the year it feels crappy when he is a second faster than you
Stoner would have fallen victim to the politics and the Spaniard would have been given priority. Marquez is an amazing talent, but Casey did the one thing few others could...be competitive on those Ducati's.
Stoner in the end fell victim to his own demons.
It's a fact Moto GP made Honda make 5 alteration alterations to the Honda that Casey Stoner was riding... that were within the rules...
The Ducati is not the fastest by 5 bike lengths per straight every year. Do you recall Hayden and Rossi Blowing by everyone on the straights? People conveniently treat that brand like the bike is exactly the same every year and I'm sorry it just isn't the case. They make improvements and mistakes like everyone else. I think Stoner is a master of bike set up and working around a bike that is not perfect (kind of like most endurance racers who share a bike) who knows maybe he did that some time in his career. People forget Rossi was a master at doing this during the race right before your eyes earlier in his career. You tweak the clock a little and it would have been an amazing 3 way heads up battle. But I agree with Joshua, To put it bluntly Stoner was the wrong color for Repsol Honda. The politics even without Marquez made him miserable. Take that out of the equation and at least the first year Stoner would have the measure of Marquez but after that first year Marquez perfected his style all bets are off. . . you know what I may retract that. What Rossi dished out to stoner at Laguna Seca is childsplay compared to what Marquez and Rossi escalated it to. I could see a slightly slower Marquez bombing up the inside of Stoner, interrupting one of those perfect slides like scratching a record.
Few others could do? No one else has done what Casey did with you Ducati
Lovely vid. Been waiting for years for media sites to venture into video like this.
How does this channel not have more subscribers yet??
it would have been close between the two but marquez would keep on crashing trying to better stoner, stoner would come out on top, most gifted rider of all time stoner.
The Stoner is one of the best drivers ever, extraordinarily talented with incredible driving style and skill!!! I am a Rossi fan but Stoner could be champion on every single bike!!!
For sure Stoner would have been challanging Marquez. However over the course of a season Marquez just seems to be much more like Rossi, mentally superior and incredibly smart about his racing in the long haul. Also doubt Stoner would have been suited to the changes with more and more "standardized" bikes. He allready openly disliked the CRT rules and standardized tyres. Stoner is my hero, and the fact that he is still being discussed 8 years on in a surprising amount of articles says something about his impact and the pure speed he had.
I don't recall him disliking the standardised tyres, only the change to the tyres mid-2012 which caused enormous amounts of chatter on the Hondas.
@@fretworka3596 Well yeah I think he made those comments after he quit, about the tyres so you might be right. And I don't think he had any trouble with Bridgestone but rather what Michelin did with theirs. It was a comment about the fact that the racing was so close to which he replied there's only one way that could happen, and that is because the tyres are wearing off too soon. If the tyres were good we would see what we have always seen in motorcycle racing, one man soaring off into the distance more than 50% of the races and winning by 10-30 seconds. The reason that isn't happening is because the tyres wear off so soon so everyone is holding back and waiting for someone to make the first move. I don't recall the exact comment or where I heard/saw it but it was definitely Stoner who said it and I don't remember it being a very positive comment.
Wdym? He tested the Ducati with these regs and tires in 2017 and 2018 and was Crushing Dovi and Lorenzo in the practice and tests
Are you dumb, Stoner was highly competetive on the piece of shit LCR Honda in 2006 while Marquez struggled to not crash all year on a Repsol Honda (even tho he wasnt 100%) the bike is still bloody good. Anyway how was Marquez mentally superior? Any competition that he would have on track he would run off the track
@@dodgyoldmate1644 Hey, we're on the same page. I dislike Marquez and worship Stoner for all the reasons you mentioned, no need to call me dumb. I just think Stoner would absolutely despise riding with Marquez(understandably), and that would gain Marquez an upper hand, because that's his entire brand. He harasses his victims until they cave, and has the speed to do it. He's every competitor's worst nightmare.
As for the claims that Stoner was crushing Lorenzo and Dovi in tests, what's your source? Is there a video?
Would have been best moto gp battle, alongside lorenzo rossi the sport would have had mini races in the pack
Stoner was the greatest talent of his generation in my opinion, but when the body is sick and there is no cure, there isn't much one can do. So not retiring wasn't an option for him. I hope some decent treatment for ME/CFS will be found eventually.
And bad losers syndrome. 🤔
@@jimclements3190 what is that supposed to mean. tosser
Casey Stoner was my favorite rider back then . Im sure if he was still racing for Repsol Honda he would have still been winning races and Marquez would have been too.
I know it would have been a battle for the championship but it could have been very close they are equally talented riders the best of the best.
Casey would have loved racing this season, no Marques and old man yellow childish mind games. I love how this generation of riders are full of respect for each other and have a "what happens on the track stays on the track" attitude. Just look at the hugs and banter amongst the current young guns.Full on respect for each other, unlike the old gard!
Still my favourite rider of all time retired too soon but understandable so so fast 👊✊💨💨💨
The difference between Márquez and Stoner is that Stoner always rode clean . Márquez , although having amazing talent , is a ruthless rider who will do anything at all to win , including risking other riders lives .
@@efilrekib4446 Argentina
@@efilrekib4446 when Rossi kicked him.
Least marquez hasn't killed anyone like Rossi who rode over Somoncellis head
@@mbal4052 come on, be fair, that's a bit out of shape
@@mbal4052 . What an absolutely vile thing to say !
I hope we see Marquez on other bikes just to see how well can he adopt.
We won't Honda thinks that the sun shines out his arse.😯
@@jimclements3190 funny you should say that, as every time i look up Marc's backside i always make sure i have my sunglasses on 😂
If Stoner had not suffered illness and not retired, Marquez would not have joined Repsol Honda immediately. They would not have dumped Dani Pedrosa for a Moto 2 champion, so Pedrosa would have stayed for 2013 with Casey. Marquez would have had to make do with a Satellite Honda. He may have displaced Pedrosa in 2014 but Stoner would likely have beaten him. So basically, Marquez would have 2 less titles than he currently does. Then again, he would have had the benefit of riding alongside the great Casey Stoner and so now in 2022 may have been even better than he (Marquez) currently is.
Maybe #27 couldn't get another title in such a tough contest, regarding #46 comeback in Iwata colors. But #93 would doubtfully take his rookie title for sure, and wouldn't chasing #46 in numbers so far. 2015 would be a greatest show of all time with #27 also.
I heard that there was an option for Casey to ride in place of Pedrosa when he was injured but the Marquez camp argued against letting Stoner race. Pity because the question could have been answered then.
Don't forget when rookies in moto gp start their always in the satellite team. Well it was Casey who Reckon mended that Mark take his seat Honda and mgp change to this new format. Casey was for the sport of bike racing.
Atleast another championship, probably 2 tbh. 2013, 2016
he would eat them all
It’s hard to predict until u see it in reality✌️.
In my Opinion, Stoner was the Blueprint of a MotoGP Rider....humble, fair and unbelievable fast...a true Natural Talent like Giacomo Agostini, Mike Hailwood, Wayne Rainey, Kenny Roberts sr., Barry Sheene, Kevin Schwantz, Mick Doohan and Valentino Rossi. A true Master on two Wheels!
Excessive electronics, politics and social media bullshit made him fall out of love with it
Would have been one hell of a battle but i do believe Casey would have come through in the end as Marc would have crashed more with the pressure. But i could be wrong. Undoubtable Casey was a hell of a talent.
With the pressure of what? being a rokie? 🤣 he had the less pressure on the paddock.
Marquez would be a title or two short at the moment had Stoner kept it moving. My opinion of course.
Let be honest. If you put stoner against rossi early career rivals like capirossi and biaggi.
Stoner would destroy all of them.
Nice comment 👍🏻
Would have been some really good racing, I don't think Marc would of been as successful if Casey stayed.
STONER - WINNING
Stoner marquez best 2 riders ever
Maybe he could surpass/equal Doohans 5 Titles
If Stoner didn't retire, we could've seen his cute wife more at the paddock.
Pure animal on the bike
Casey was very special,i would even say he was a better rider than Rossi, and i love Rossi,but Casey tamed the Ducati and won on it ,Rossi couldnt do this?Stoner and Marquez now that would be a dream team.
It was a different bike by the time Rossi got there.......do you forget how quickly stoner stopped winning on it??? He stopped winning on it as quick as he started winning on it at the beginning!! He started crashing it every other weekend complaining the thing wouldn't turn after they revised it and he soon jumped ship and went to Honda because he stopped being really competitive on it. He then showed his class by winning on the honda which proved he was a good rider 👍 better than Rossi NO......stoner couldn't even win the 250 class before moving up. So when people say Rossi couldn't ride the ducati people very quickly forget neither could stoner at the end when he jumped ship.
@@TheTraditionalGolfer People forget so many things, Capirossi in the same bike at the time of his retirement was winning, he did win 2 times in 2007. This tells a lot about Ducati change from Stoner to Rossi. Obviously Engineers will say Stoner was better in Ducati because he is the reason they won the Championship. Ben Spies who is Rossi Hater will say everything against him. Rossi is = Talent = Stoner = Marquez.
Stoner would have won on a bloody Vespa with a rev limiter! Maybe forget the rev limiter but I think we should let the factory bikes catch up. Stoner vs Marquez? Stoner because Marquez would have binned often trying to outdo his team mate instead of settling for a podium like Pedrosa learnt to do.
Hahaha. That's one of the funniest things I've read re:Vespa. True too.😁😃😃 Casey worked very hard for that talent.
Stoner is a legend.
Casey would of won that 2012 title if the construction of the tyre hadn't of changed. He has already stated that in pre season testing the bike was the best bike he had ridden until they changed the tyre.
Casey stoner , a racer who can win with any motorbike
Did he win the 250cc ??
He would’ve won another title on the Duc if he didn’t get ill
Jerez is pronounced hereth
I think it's spanish pronounciation
@@udarajayawardena2018 yes the spanish pronounce it "hereth"
Racing is 90% mental. Casey couldn’t handle racing mentally and quit, pretty simple to me.
Yeah talent is not really a thing....
Im strong mentally, i think i can race against them day in, day out.
Yes the politics and his family were part of the reason he retired, But the main reason was his CFS. He could handle it mentally, but because of the CFS his body couldn't. But the CFS wasn't diagnosed until a few years later and it still took him 4+ years to get it under control. So he gave the reasons for retirement: His family and the political crap fest. You can't give a real reason for retiring if you don't know what that reason is, other than you're super fatigued and can hardly get out of bed some days. And considering he raced in 2012 with CFS and still did as well as he did says something about his mental and physical abilities.
He did. Old news
Hes wife would have left him😂
We will never know if he would have beaten Marquez. Certainly, Marquez pushed the safety envelope over the limit, so it may be that Marquez would have crashed more in the races, but Stoner has not been well for a long time, so maybe he would have been physically too weak to compete with Marquez.
Yeah totally agree, would be a different story if Casey didn't have CFS and still raced. They look at his 2012 season and how well he did and he was racing with undiagnosed CFS. Imagine if he didn't have it.
Possibly the best in recent times my opinion, riding ordinary bike. Retired far too young. Should have have had a year off . He is only 35 now. Seems 100 years ago that he retired at such young age
BEFORE MARQUEZ.. STONER WAS MY IDOL
😴 yarn!!
you said nothing.
if he is still racing, definitely more money. maybe get married again and can try the mandalika circuit.
what if he'd been born a woman, or what if aliens landed...what if your grandmother had wheels, she'd have been a bus.
Thank u How the f is he even allowed to speak. And the thousands of fake posts in the last month by himself is shocking
CASEY Stoner was at times 3 seconds faster than everyone else ..they made Honda change the bike to make the others competitive...he is the fastest to ever throw a leg over.
Totally agree he was that far ahead in Philip Island they had to send out the coastguard 13 second lead. 😂
Every rider is substantially better now across the grid. Look at how close the top 15 are at most races in 2021. The bar is very high.
@@th3frs3h we will never know ..my opinion is 4 are faster than Marquez of current GP pilots..Stoner is the fastest...because this riding technique has the bike more horizontal...hence... the throttle is open sooner .....that how he could be 3 seconds faster.... obviously easy to see and understand....but who can do it....just Stoner...
Jeremy Burgess once stated "Stoner is the first of the little robots",the electronic aids introduced at the time he rode the 800s suited him perfectly .
@@jimclements3190 Sport
This was published 9 years ago
Stoner launches MotoGP attack on Rossi
By Robert Grant
August 15, 2012 - 3.43pm
Australia's MotoGP world champion Casey Stoner has launched a stinging attack on Italian icon Valentino Rossi following Rossi's move back to Yamaha.
Rossi will saddle up again with Yamaha after a failed campaign with Ducati, on which Stoner won his first world title before switching to Honda.
Stoner has accused Rossi of failing to ride the bike to its limits and castigated the multiple world champion and his Australian crew chief Jeremy Burgess for boasting they could produce a Ducati on which "any rider could win."
"They ate their words from day one," Stoner said on Wednesday.
"Jerry saying that it would take him 80 seconds to fix that bike and that it was a simple issue and now they have had almost two years and have not made any inroads.
"Valentino obviously doesn't want to push limits and ride a bike that is not perfect, he has admitted that.
"Obviously he doesn't want to put the effort in with Ducati."
In his most recent race Rossi was eighth and 10 seconds behind teammate Nicky Hayden when he crashed out of the US GP.
In his first stint with Yamaha - from 2004 to 2010 - Rossi won 46 races and four world titles.
In a stunning back-flip Rossi is walking away from a reported $A35 million deal at Ducati to take a pay cut to return to Yamaha.
Petrosa was an epic waste of time and proved to be the biggest choker of all time... Stoner would have most definitely won several more MotoGP titles.
Casey...Marc??
Casey is the best !!
MM93 is rough and untalented rider! !
All days start from Thursday until Saturday only like to crashes his bike so he can win on Sunday!!
Natural talent does like to crashing his bike super often like Marc...I disagree when people said Marc Marquez has Natural talent! !!
Instead. ..
He has Natural Experimental on his bike so he can be a winner and a world champion! !
Jorge..Vale..Casey ..even Doohan they weren't like MM93 like to crashed many times to be a champion on Sunday!!
I'm a big fan of Vale...but I love Stoner toooo☆☆☆☆☆....
We are missing you Casey!!!...
Big hope you will back to race with Vale but that moment never came true! !
I think Marc is more consistent. However even after his first few championships he still never had the raw speed of Stoner. On his good days Stoner would destroy the field in such a miraculous way. I dont think Marc has this same level even on his best days
Casey stoner is the most talented riders of all time. and all other riders know it even rossi.
He is still to date the ONLY one to win a World Title on the Ducati. All others have failed including Mr. Rossi. That there says a lot about his talent.
The poor lad was ill, give him a break, you are trying to make a video out of subjectivity!
At every factory test Casey Stoner attended he smashed Marc Márquez, even when Marc was on top and Stoner was long retired he could hop on Marcs bike and thrash him. All you kids need a reality check. Marc Márquez is not even on the same level as Casey Stoner.
Stoner would had huge problem with Marc's aggressive style plus HRC would support Marc's riding style.Stoner won Rossi because the Australian was a little bit faster.Stoner's weak point was takeovers.He fought Rossi's takeovers by being faster and getting away.But Stoner wasn't going to be able to get away from Marc.
No doubt stoner was a very good rider but I don’t believe he was as strong mentally as Rossi Lagoona was proof of that whether he would been able to do much more we will never know as he retired …
Probably would have ran 3 bikes like they did with dovi
No they wouldn’t. They only did that because Dovi lawyered up and made them abide by their contract. They’d have released Pedrosa.
@@chadwells7562 you think pedrosa almost won the championship in 2012 obviously they were happy with dani they kept him for a further 6 years
@@steve132d They very well might have run 3 bikes to keep Dani at that time, but they might not have necessarily had the resources to support all 3 like they would with only 2. So I don’t think they’d be keen to do it, and Pedrosa would’ve played 3rd fiddle to Casey and Marquez so he may not have been happy with it either. I wish we’d seen Dani at Yamaha near his peak, I think he’d have crushed it.
If Stoner were still racing, he would be complaining how rough and rude Marc Marquez rides. Also, the development of the Honda would made the bike unbridgeable by anyone else except Stoner himself, or maybe Marc Marquez…
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I’m a Stoner fan and Marquez fan, Casey would have won his share but in the end, I think Marc would have beaten him for the championships
Im a Stoner fan and Marquez fan too. Marquez has never raced against a rider of Stoners talent. On equal machinery, Stoner wins every time.
Podium every time !
Stoner… biggest waste of MotoGP talent ever. Imagine how exciting 201+ *could’ve* been
Rossi may be the goat but Casey was FASTER.... Maybe the question should be how would Marquez and the riders today would fair against Lawson , schwantz , Rainey ,DOOHAN and the other hard bastards ,.... on the bikes with no buttons.....Rossi proved he could win on one . Are today's riders as skilled as the two stroke magicians I doubt it.... yes the four strokes are faster but the electronic aids are riding the bike for them
Marquez would have still won all.
He was awesome, but he did like to moan a lot,
Too right! He was never gracious in defeat which made him the most unsportsmanlike rider of all time
He would have sat out half the season with chronic fatigue.
This is a video about basically nothing.
Wins on a Hybrid Ducati in 2007 Rides the best machine in 2011-2012 Whines Cries Complains and Quits in 2012 on the Dorna Repsol Honda Flagship ..
He was a good rider without a doubt but all this talk of superior talent??? Yes he was talented but no more than Lorenzo , Rossi, Marquez, etc he didn't win the intermediate class the 250s unlike most of his peers i mean Rossi was 125 , 250, 500 , 990, 800cc a 9 times world champion and has done it on 3 different manufacturers of bikes (Aprilia, Honda, Yamaha) ...Lorenzo won more ....marquez has won more when we talk about how good somebody is and was we have to look at something to judge them by a yard stick if you like so we have to consider there success...and really in the grand scheme of things he will go down as a really good fast motogp champion but the fastest most talented to ever throw a leg over a bike !!! Nope definitely not he is certainly very talented but not in the top 5 for me... i could name a multitude of former Gp riders that are as or more talented than stoner and there records back it up.
Cant stand him! Worst motorcycle sportsman or should i say “unsportsman” of all time. Ashamed to be Australian 👎👎👎when he was riding. Thank god hes gone and totally forgotten 👍👍
In his latest photos looks like he has facial wasting from some type of drug use. Chronic fatigue Bahah.
Cry baby
I’m thinking we would be sick to death of his complaining. Good riddance, another whining Aussie. Same as Mick (God) Doohan, Matt Mladdin, Wayne Gardner and Jack (nearly) Miller.