Appreciate how you clarify feel vs real and don't treat this as a video for all people. Feel is unique to each individual. Judge the swing based on video and ball flight feedback and adjust accordingly rather than chasing a "feel" that could exaggerate the bad.
This is just brilliant and so many overthetoppers would benefit from this. Finally someone teaches how to build the right sequence. As you learn to speed up your hands faster than your body ,you also get the natural shallowing of the shaft. You get also your hands in front of you naturally, you can hit from inside easier which make alignements corect and so on…The problem is that you suddenly find out that golf swing isn’t that complicated after all and many pros run out of bussness
@@CogornoGolf only the supination part may cause confusion to many. The Idea of letting the clubhead pass your hands does the same thing and is much easier to understand.(Mike Malaska talks about it)
Great video. I've been doing the left hand only and the right hand halfway drills for a week (three sessions in a simulator). Of all drills this has had the most dramatic effect on the shape of my shots. I would say 50% less pulling and of those the error was reduced about 50%. Imagining a Frisbee throw only helped me when I imagine that I'm throwing the Frisbee about 15 degrees to the right of the target. Thanks for the help.
Hey Eric, so glad you partnered with John to do a series of videos. In my opinion he is simply one of the best instructors out there. I have one of his DVD’s titled Perfect Impact that I still refer to all the time. Hope you get a chance to shoot some more. Thanks.
great insight to the muscle elements and how the left arm works. everyone always talks about rotation and inner hip rotation, this is very much overlooked. will be using this left arm drill on all warmups and range sections going forward as i tend to cast my club :)
Eric, there was so much great information in this vid that I didn’t quite get what John said to do to fix when a person keeps the left arm pinned too long on the chest on the downswing. I find myself doing this and can’t figure out what to do to change that and get arms sliding down chest instead of rotating.
Get it flying off sooner left bicep away from left pec.....way more than you think if you are too stuck. We have another video on this coming out in a few weeks
This is one of my biggest issues not lifting the left arm early in the swing. But I think most amateurs also don’t break the wrist upward at the same time early in the swing. That combination early in the swing is not instructed enough…..
Eric nice video. Steve Holmes and I have really worked out my lower body issues. He is now working on my arms in the downswing and at impact and beyond. He is talking about activating the number 4 accumulator with the number 1. Is this video part of this motion? At P6 my hands are too far back and not even with trail leg. Thanks for any input.
Do you have a drill that will help with balance. I feel a lot my consistency is lost because I lose my footing. Enjoy all your videos and have used them in my golf game.
Love to hear that Drew!! Thanks for your support! Check these out, hope they help! th-cam.com/video/eXhuQPuEgec/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/0vJn7x-wvp4/w-d-xo.html
How does one not hook more with adding that front arm supination? Left hip opening has well? And upper body turning on follow through? Great videos. Love Johns his sense of humor.
Yep!! As we talked about in left arm videos you would supinate as per your needs. If missing high, short or right add more! If no issues there you likely dont need more!
on the range today, i tried raising my lead arm up more, and also on the downswing, i kept that height, meaning i needed to tilt a bit more to reach the ball. This felt veeeeery good, and i hit it as far as i normally do, only more consistently. Accordin to this video tho, you want the left arm elevation to go back more towards the starting point? i was really hoping i learned something today, but watching this afterwards make me question if i have it wrong ^^ golf... i am hitting the ball consistently very straight, it is the distance i am searching for. I hit the ball decently far, far longer than my friends, but no where near the junior pro's i see on the range..
Hey! The issue here is you need to determine the difference between your FEELS and what it REALLY looks like. So step 1 for you is to video your swing. Then see where its actually at. Then you can determine if its correct or not based on a model or checkpoints for where the arm should be at the top
Great video Eric and John. One question I have is about the left arm at address. Where does the left elbow point at the address position? People say “let your arms hang naturally. I can pretty naturally let my left arm hang with my elbow pointing toward the target and just outside my lead hip. thanks!
Hey Martin! Depends some on your grip but just left of your hip would be about normal....almost 1/2 way between hip and target but slightly closer to hip
I've been told by and viewed many videos saying to keep the clubhead outside my hands on the backswing. But at some point I need to rotate the lead arm up. How and when to do this with the right timing, without taking my arms back too far(overswing), without separating arms too much and without having the arms and hands leaving the center of my sternum.
When swinging the left arm to start the downswing....is the motion really started by the muscles near the back of the left shoulder blade or muscles in the shoulder/tricep area? It seems when I do the right arm pull for depth on the backswing it is done really with the back muscles near the shoulder blade. On another subject it seems that the idea of swinging the arms up and rotating early is contradictory to the advice given when working with Tom Saguto. I suspect its stack and tilt vs conventional... but I think that can be some of the difficulties in trying to get swing information via videos (too many cooks in the kitchen).
Hey Jim! On first part----all of them. On second part----most amateurs we see have TOO much lift and NOT ENOUGH depth....I would say 80% or so fall into that category so we usually harp on that. I like to see hand path over toes, then right pec then behind trail shoulder for stock checkpoints.
As always, another great video Eric! I think if you asked most golfers, they would say the arms move more horizontally in the golf swing. This concept of the arms actually going up/vertically while the body does the turning is quite interesting - kind of an optical illusion. If this is truly what should happen, would it be also true that during the downswing the arms should actually move vertically/down - as the body turns?
It was a surprise that it was suggested that the movement of the left arm should be straight up on the backswing. And that it is the rotation of the body that actually creates the turn. Maybe it's just me, but the idea that the left arm actually goes straight down on the downswing is as much of a surprise.
Hey Steve! The reality is both of those are over simplified. The arms dont go straight up nor straight in...its a blend of both. Just like on the downswing its a blend of down and out
Correct. You don't turn your body in downswing. Just use the legs to initiate the downswing and then swing the arms. The body will follow. The idea that you hit golf shots by rotating the body is what kills the game of so many amateurs. Turn, lift, pop up on your legs and hit as hard with your arms as you can. 🤷🏻♂️
Hey there! We HAVE TO have rotation (lead arm supination, trail arm pronation).....EVERY.....SINGLE....GOLFER....EVER....has and always will. The questions are HOW MUCH and WHEN? That depends a lot on the players body motions and grip Check out our latest one on this may help explain more especially the second half: th-cam.com/video/9CeiWv2opZI/w-d-xo.html
Interesting. I’ve been following you for a bit. I’m a plus 2 and my lower body outraces the upper on the downswing when I try to give it something extra and I early extend. You think the left arm drill would help? I need more shaft lean at impact if anything
Could be Nick I would of course need to see your swing on video to say for sure Can do www.cogornogolf.com first lesson is free so I can see your swing This goes more over the left arm adduction/abduction piece you are talking about th-cam.com/video/PAqXj4SgtxA/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for sharing....I have watched this video multiple times. When do you pronate the left arm in the backswing and how do you prevent the club face from opening if you are turning the forearm over. I have been trying to keep my left elbow facing down and after watching this maybe that's incorrect.
Hey! 1. Progressively through the entire swing 2. You dont over do it :) Get the butt of the club to point at the ball line at left arm parallel....thats the amount of pronation you should have from setup to there
@eric lifting with left arm has confused me, no previous or any videos on youtube about lifting left arm vertically in shoulder joint during backswing. Please dissect this movement. Arm into chest where is the vertical lift?
Hey Joshua. 1. The arms go UP (lift) and IN (across) in backswing. 2. All players have both. 3. You blend them to hit the checkpoints Checkpoints -Hands over toe line at shaft first parallel -Hands in line with somewhere between sternum and right bicep when left arm parallel -Hands behind trail shoulder at top Record your swing and see that side you fall on. Need both.
Not sure I agree with the last few minutes of this… can you clear up how the arms beating the body would create a hook swing? Wouldn’t you come over the top? I thought if body was beating arms you’d get stuck underneath and hit with an in to out path. I always heard arms equal fade body equal draw
Hi Mike! I think the easiest way to think about it is that if a golfer rotates their chest and shoulders too much early in transition, they would be too far over the top. The opposite would also be true...if a golfer keeps their chest and shoulders too closed early in transition, they would be too far under plane. Just got to find that sweet spot for neutral! Here are a couple of other resources where we cover this: th-cam.com/video/bScRl_O6UUo/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/PAqXj4SgtxA/w-d-xo.html Let us know if these help!
This is scary. I just noticed a couple days ago my left arm wasn't swinging all the way through. Almost like these guys saw me and are talking directly at me. lol
Haha Eric how do you manage to keep your swing the same after all these tips. It would mess with my head instantly 😁 also after watching all the series of lesson with John I'm actually scared of going to the range to practice all the feels 🤣
Haha I like doin these to learn and for fun! I have a core 2-3 things I'm working on at a time (if Im working on anything) so I'm discipline with those :)
@13:37 this is where a giant confusion happens in golf. The teaching of these two concepts. Both are obviously functional but dramatically different. I call one an older "arm swing" style and the other a more modern "body/hip rotational" style. The two get taught side by side with no explanation of the differences between the two and which one is better. I feel you primaraly teach the rotational swing Eric. This kinda seems to go against your fundamental swing instruction.
This vid is so contradicting to previous stuff Eric has taught. Eric has previously taught twisting the wrist at takeaway to have the club face almost closed but now they are saying lift up and turn. What the hell man
Hey! Sorry for any confusion! I actually think this tracks pretty well with what I discuss in the backswing. This is about lead arm movement. Depth and Height. I always say there is a combo. the hands/arms need to go UP and IN I like to see them go roughly over the toe line in takeaway (straight to slightly in) Then at left arm parallel between the sternum/pec/bicep Then at top hands just behind shoulder....butt of club roughly over ankle You can see those checkpoints throughout our videos below: th-cam.com/video/fifX8ApwiBk/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUcRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIGJhY2tzd2luZyBkZXB0aA%3D%3D th-cam.com/video/8TjvCHCAQ0c/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUmRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIGJhY2tzd2luZyBwZ2EgY2hlY2twb2ludHM%3D Hope that helps!
No disrespect to Eric but there is a big difference between a scratch player and a tour player. That said, maybe he likes teaching more then playing? Just a guess.
Haha appreciate the kind words....us teaching pros and the guys are tour are about 10 levels apart. I hit is good enough to play competitively probably on some mini tours but I dont wedge, chip and putt even on the same planet as those guys out there. With practice, devotion and full time training I think I could get closer.....maybe make some cuts on mini tours. But that likely all she wrote. They are so so so so good it's wild.
If you are too inside out --> more pinning the left arm to chest "adduction" If you are a bit out to in --> more left arm vertical drop swing... Isn't that gorgeous!!!
Appreciate how you clarify feel vs real and don't treat this as a video for all people. Feel is unique to each individual. Judge the swing based on video and ball flight feedback and adjust accordingly rather than chasing a "feel" that could exaggerate the bad.
100%
Great video! John has some very inovative ways of teaching the golf swing! I'll have to watch this again.
Thank you! Hope it serves you well!
This is a terrific video!
I can't believe how incredibly difficult this left arm only drill really is. You made it look easy Eric. Great content.
Thanks Jason!
This is just brilliant and so many overthetoppers would benefit from this. Finally someone teaches how to build the right sequence. As you learn to speed up your hands faster than your body ,you also get the natural shallowing of the shaft. You get also your hands in front of you naturally, you can hit from inside easier which make alignements corect and so on…The problem is that you suddenly find out that golf swing isn’t that complicated after all and many pros run out of bussness
:)
@@CogornoGolf only the supination part may cause confusion to many. The Idea of letting the clubhead pass your hands does the same thing and is much easier to understand.(Mike Malaska talks about it)
Good instruction. I have been working on speeding up my left arm swing to prevent it breaking down from too much right hand. Thank you.
Thanks, Rick! Our pleasure!
Great video. I've been doing the left hand only and the right hand halfway drills for a week (three sessions in a simulator). Of all drills this has had the most dramatic effect on the shape of my shots. I would say 50% less pulling and of those the error was reduced about 50%.
Imagining a Frisbee throw only helped me when I imagine that I'm throwing the Frisbee about 15 degrees to the right of the target.
Thanks for the help.
Thanks Tom! You got it!👊
Hey Eric, so glad you partnered with John to do a series of videos. In my opinion he is simply one of the best instructors out there. I have one of his DVD’s titled Perfect Impact that I still refer to all the time. Hope you get a chance to shoot some more. Thanks.
100%!! Thanks for the support Dave!👊
great insight to the muscle elements and how the left arm works. everyone always talks about rotation and inner hip rotation, this is very much overlooked. will be using this left arm drill on all warmups and range sections going forward as i tend to cast my club :)
Thank you!!! This video is the most helpful what i ever seen...
Our pleasure Sally!
Eric, there was so much great information in this vid that I didn’t quite get what John said to do to fix when a person keeps the left arm pinned too long on the chest on the downswing. I find myself doing this and can’t figure out what to do to change that and get arms sliding down chest instead of rotating.
Get it flying off sooner left bicep away from left pec.....way more than you think if you are too stuck. We have another video on this coming out in a few weeks
This one was great! Very informative
Thanks Dwayne!
This is one of my biggest issues not lifting the left arm early in the swing. But I think most amateurs also don’t break the wrist upward at the same time early in the swing. That combination early in the swing is not instructed enough…..
Both important!
Excellent drills
Thanks Michael!
Eric nice video. Steve Holmes and I have really worked out my lower body issues. He is now working on my arms in the downswing and at impact and beyond. He is talking about activating the number 4 accumulator with the number 1. Is this video part of this motion? At P6 my hands are too far back and not even with trail leg. Thanks for any input.
Yes it is!
Do you have a drill that will help with balance. I feel a lot my consistency is lost because I lose my footing. Enjoy all your videos and have used them in my golf game.
Love to hear that Drew!! Thanks for your support!
Check these out, hope they help!
th-cam.com/video/eXhuQPuEgec/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/0vJn7x-wvp4/w-d-xo.html
How does one not hook more with adding that front arm supination? Left hip opening has well? And upper body turning on follow through? Great videos. Love Johns his sense of humor.
Yep!! As we talked about in left arm videos you would supinate as per your needs. If missing high, short or right add more!
If no issues there you likely dont need more!
on the range today, i tried raising my lead arm up more, and also on the downswing, i kept that height, meaning i needed to tilt a bit more to reach the ball. This felt veeeeery good, and i hit it as far as i normally do, only more consistently. Accordin to this video tho, you want the left arm elevation to go back more towards the starting point? i was really hoping i learned something today, but watching this afterwards make me question if i have it wrong ^^ golf... i am hitting the ball consistently very straight, it is the distance i am searching for. I hit the ball decently far, far longer than my friends, but no where near the junior pro's i see on the range..
Hey!
The issue here is you need to determine the difference between your FEELS and what it REALLY looks like.
So step 1 for you is to video your swing. Then see where its actually at.
Then you can determine if its correct or not based on a model or checkpoints for where the arm should be at the top
Great video Eric.
Thanks Brian!
Great video Eric and John. One question I have is about the left arm at address. Where does the left elbow point at the address position? People say “let your arms hang naturally. I can pretty naturally let my left arm hang with my elbow pointing toward the target and just outside my lead hip. thanks!
Hey Martin! Depends some on your grip but just left of your hip would be about normal....almost 1/2 way between hip and target but slightly closer to hip
@@CogornoGolf thanks Eric! Super helpful
Great video! Wish I had seen this in April!
Thank you Steven!
I've been told by and viewed many videos saying to keep the clubhead outside my hands on the backswing. But at some point I need to rotate the lead arm up. How and when to do this with the right timing, without taking my arms back too far(overswing), without separating arms too much and without having the arms and hands leaving the center of my sternum.
Here are the details of how and when:
th-cam.com/video/uA1T_P3Rtlw/w-d-xo.html
@@CogornoGolf thanks. There's video instruction and then there's face to face to help guide to the feeling of the action.
A lot of good information in here....thank you!
Thanks Scott! Our pleasure!
When swinging the left arm to start the downswing....is the motion really started by the muscles near the back of the left shoulder blade or muscles in the shoulder/tricep area? It seems when I do the right arm pull for depth on the backswing it is done really with the back muscles near the shoulder blade. On another subject it seems that the idea of swinging the arms up and rotating early is contradictory to the advice given when working with Tom Saguto. I suspect its stack and tilt vs conventional... but I think that can be some of the difficulties in trying to get swing information via videos (too many cooks in the kitchen).
Hey Jim!
On first part----all of them.
On second part----most amateurs we see have TOO much lift and NOT ENOUGH depth....I would say 80% or so fall into that category so we usually harp on that.
I like to see hand path over toes, then right pec then behind trail shoulder for stock checkpoints.
As always, another great video Eric! I think if you asked most golfers, they would say the arms move more horizontally in the golf swing. This concept of the arms actually going up/vertically while the body does the turning is quite interesting - kind of an optical illusion. If this is truly what should happen, would it be also true that during the downswing the arms should actually move vertically/down - as the body turns?
100%
If not you would miss the ball! Will need to do more videos to explain
It was a surprise that it was suggested that the movement of the left arm should be straight up on the backswing. And that it is the rotation of the body that actually creates the turn. Maybe it's just me, but the idea that the left arm actually goes straight down on the downswing is as much of a surprise.
Hey Steve!
The reality is both of those are over simplified.
The arms dont go straight up nor straight in...its a blend of both.
Just like on the downswing its a blend of down and out
John is easily one of the most articulate instructors out there. I can easily see why he has so many accolades.
John is awesome!👊
Another great video
Thanks Robert!
Correct. You don't turn your body in downswing. Just use the legs to initiate the downswing and then swing the arms. The body will follow. The idea that you hit golf shots by rotating the body is what kills the game of so many amateurs. Turn, lift, pop up on your legs and hit as hard with your arms as you can. 🤷🏻♂️
Thanks for watching Sanin!
Wouldn’t the supination of the left arm require a lot of timing?
Hey there!
We HAVE TO have rotation (lead arm supination, trail arm pronation).....EVERY.....SINGLE....GOLFER....EVER....has and always will.
The questions are HOW MUCH and WHEN?
That depends a lot on the players body motions and grip
Check out our latest one on this may help explain more especially the second half:
th-cam.com/video/9CeiWv2opZI/w-d-xo.html
Interesting. I’ve been following you for a bit. I’m a plus 2 and my lower body outraces the upper on the downswing when I try to give it something extra and I early extend. You think the left arm drill would help? I need more shaft lean at impact if anything
Could be Nick
I would of course need to see your swing on video to say for sure
Can do www.cogornogolf.com first lesson is free so I can see your swing
This goes more over the left arm adduction/abduction piece you are talking about
th-cam.com/video/PAqXj4SgtxA/w-d-xo.html
@@CogornoGolf Done! Let's do some work!
FAN-TASTIC!!!
Thanks!
Thank you for sharing....I have watched this video multiple times. When do you pronate the left arm in the backswing and how do you prevent the club face from opening if you are turning the forearm over. I have been trying to keep my left elbow facing down and after watching this maybe that's incorrect.
Hey!
1. Progressively through the entire swing
2. You dont over do it :)
Get the butt of the club to point at the ball line at left arm parallel....thats the amount of pronation you should have from setup to there
@@CogornoGolf Thank you
@eric lifting with left arm has confused me, no previous or any videos on youtube about lifting left arm vertically in shoulder joint during backswing. Please dissect this movement. Arm into chest where is the vertical lift?
Hey Joshua.
1. The arms go UP (lift) and IN (across) in backswing.
2. All players have both.
3. You blend them to hit the checkpoints
Checkpoints
-Hands over toe line at shaft first parallel
-Hands in line with somewhere between sternum and right bicep when left arm parallel
-Hands behind trail shoulder at top
Record your swing and see that side you fall on. Need both.
@@CogornoGolf Thanks Eric keep up great content
Manufacture depth with your hands/arms ?
80% or so should come from body motions...
Great video eric, already fix my chicken wing problem during the follow through
Love to hear that!! Appreciate it!
That was a good one!
Thanks Christian!
You’re excellent at advertising
:) Thank you!
Some gold nuggets good stuff
Thanks, Frank!
Not sure I agree with the last few minutes of this… can you clear up how the arms beating the body would create a hook swing? Wouldn’t you come over the top? I thought if body was beating arms you’d get stuck underneath and hit with an in to out path. I always heard arms equal fade body equal draw
Leaving it at the top and turning would lead to hooks, no?
Hi Mike!
I think the easiest way to think about it is that if a golfer rotates their chest and shoulders too much early in transition, they would be too far over the top. The opposite would also be true...if a golfer keeps their chest and shoulders too closed early in transition, they would be too far under plane. Just got to find that sweet spot for neutral!
Here are a couple of other resources where we cover this:
th-cam.com/video/bScRl_O6UUo/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/PAqXj4SgtxA/w-d-xo.html
Let us know if these help!
This is scary. I just noticed a couple days ago my left arm wasn't swinging all the way through. Almost like these guys saw me and are talking directly at me. lol
:) Hope it helps Alex!
Driver , use this way?
Yep!
Haha Eric how do you manage to keep your swing the same after all these tips. It would mess with my head instantly 😁 also after watching all the series of lesson with John I'm actually scared of going to the range to practice all the feels 🤣
Yes way too much to think about.
Haha I like doin these to learn and for fun!
I have a core 2-3 things I'm working on at a time (if Im working on anything) so I'm discipline with those :)
Just loving all your latest content with John. Great stuff!
Thank you Melba!
Some cartoonist who dabbled in golf swing theory years ago called this the "pinch"..... the same move baseball hitters use.
👊👊
Over my head. Still climbing the ladder.
:)
@13:37 this is where a giant confusion happens in golf. The teaching of these two concepts. Both are obviously functional but dramatically different. I call one an older "arm swing" style and the other a more modern "body/hip rotational" style. The two get taught side by side with no explanation of the differences between the two and which one is better. I feel you primaraly teach the rotational swing Eric. This kinda seems to go against your fundamental swing instruction.
Appreciate your feedback!
What's a promo code? Hahahaha
:)
This vid is so contradicting to previous stuff Eric has taught. Eric has previously taught twisting the wrist at takeaway to have the club face almost closed but now they are saying lift up and turn. What the hell man
Hey! Sorry for any confusion! I actually think this tracks pretty well with what I discuss in the backswing.
This is about lead arm movement. Depth and Height.
I always say there is a combo.
the hands/arms need to go UP and IN
I like to see them go roughly over the toe line in takeaway (straight to slightly in)
Then at left arm parallel between the sternum/pec/bicep
Then at top hands just behind shoulder....butt of club roughly over ankle
You can see those checkpoints throughout our videos below:
th-cam.com/video/fifX8ApwiBk/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUcRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIGJhY2tzd2luZyBkZXB0aA%3D%3D
th-cam.com/video/8TjvCHCAQ0c/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUmRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIGJhY2tzd2luZyBwZ2EgY2hlY2twb2ludHM%3D
Hope that helps!
...Proceeds to hit the ball better with one arm than I can with two.
:)
Don’t see a ‘one piece’ takeaway?
Gotta get those eyes checked :)
And now you're dead. Haha! John is cool,.
:) John is awesome!
Eric awesome once again! How can you every time keep on coming up with relevant stuff? You are a true workaholic!
Thanks a lot! Appreciate you being here with us!
Eric why aren’t you a tour pro? I haven’t seen many better golf swings than yours.
No disrespect to Eric but there is a big difference between a scratch player and a tour player. That said, maybe he likes teaching more then playing? Just a guess.
Haha appreciate the kind words....us teaching pros and the guys are tour are about 10 levels apart.
I hit is good enough to play competitively probably on some mini tours but I dont wedge, chip and putt even on the same planet as those guys out there.
With practice, devotion and full time training I think I could get closer.....maybe make some cuts on mini tours. But that likely all she wrote.
They are so so so so good it's wild.
If you are too inside out --> more pinning the left arm to chest "adduction"
If you are a bit out to in --> more left arm vertical drop swing...
Isn't that gorgeous!!!
:)
you lost me at letting it roll. rolling of the hands is inconsistent. but your other vids promote not to roll
You Channel has done nothing but confusing people by showing a million different ways of hitting the ball.
I hear ya Kaveh---sorry about that. Hope you are well