@@AllenHart999 hi Allen im 56 years old and am really considering a career change and going into fitting boilers I'd love to know how to get started in this business I do have age against me I do realise, but I'm a young 56 and not too old to learn..do you have any ideas has to how I could get started in this business?
Cheers Allen. Nice to see a service from start to finish. Tomorrow is my final exams before I become qualified after 51/2 years of doing an apprenticeship.
good vid Allen, i love fitting these boilers i think they are the best on the market for build quality, ease of fitting and servicing and the display is second to none ps i also like the fact it has a pressure gauge on it.
great video and very simple explanation just little note on expansion vessel checking.I always first check with system topped up before pumping up air tu be sure rubber belly is healthy Again very nice and clean installation 👍
My boiler care routine involves thanking it for its hard work every time I get something from the loft and promising that I'll get it serviced next year.
Another great video Allen. I’ve bought myself a Vogue Max System 26 which I’ll be installing once the heating season is over. I can finally retire my faithful and reliable 30 year old Potterton Netaheat. Hoping to donate it to my local Assessment Centre as it’s a positive pressure fanned boiler as you will know.
Brilliant video Allen. I've got an ideal ISAR, it's nothing but trouble. I don't think I could ever go back to ideal. No matter how good they are now. Never in a month of Sunday.
The ISAR was awful,fitted one in my old house. Ideal are good now, every manufacturer has a bad boiler somewhere in there history. That ISAR was bad though 🤣
Allen you said about efficiency level you can get that High by lagging all that press fit you can also get it higher by range rating it but I'm not sure you can with vogue
Hi I saw your videos and I really enjoyed it keep up the good work. I have a Main Eco 30 Combi boiler I was fitted about 7 years ago, the whole pipe work is new and radiators. There is one thing that annoys me on my boiler is that when ever is ignites it makes a small tiny explosive noise you can hear it from far 😫 I have so far replaced the electrodes since it was old and bent (it was working but I wanted to avoid it failing), the heat exchanger was hoovered and the seal was replaced, the diverter valve and actuator was replaced (since a small leak damaged it). I have regularly flashed the water out using the drain point and running the boiler and keeping an eye on the pressure (the water is never too dark and flush it until it is clear water, I added some inhabitors, clean the filter out and took the air out of the rads, it is well balanced too. I had to pressurise the extension vessel which is good now, on the same time I took the prv out and cleaned it very little dirt on it it’s working good, I also cleaned out the part in which condensation and other dirt accumulate. There is one thing that annoys me on my boiler is that when ever is ignites it makes a small tiny explosive noise you can hear it from far 😫, you could describe it like a small delayed ignition 🤷🏽♂️ What would you recommend to check?
Alan, i have messaged you before, about boilers, and the extension that we are having built right now, anyway the builders said to me you pick any boiler you want and we will fit it for you, so i chose the ideal vogue, i hope that your ok with that one as it now comes with 12 years warranty i am told,it will connect to 10 rads ,but we are just a 4 bed semi, and as a fan of you and your work i thought i would check out my decision with you before buying, Ps its not a combi, we have a 36/18 prelagged, Thanks again for all you video,s
Hello to all engineers out there, and again a massive thank you to Allen for an amazing and thorough video. I have a quick question how long does it take for a engineer to complete a full service? thank you for all your answers
Hi Allen Great video. Did i read your anylizer correct as it appeared to show (21:44)on Max fire 159ppm of CO. Is 159ppm considered acceptable in the UK?
Thought the whole purpose of these boilers was not to need an annual strip down unless you had a problem? Seems a bit overkill, and the cost of replacing the heat exchanger seals an unnecessary cost to the customer. That's what Baxi taught me.
Alan you mentioned that the Vogue has all brass fittings. Is that the case with newer vogue boilers? I had a Worcester and the failures I have experienced are with plastic components. I will buy a vogue if hey still have all brass fittings. GREAT VIDEOS
Great video. Good for new gas engineer like my self. However on the reading the boiler ratio was 0.0017 and the max should be no more then 0.0008 can you please explain. Thanks Allan
I have just had a gas service engineer at my council property ( a ground floor flat ) to conduct a service on my gas boiler. One of the first things he did was go into my bathroom he had something in his hand I asked was he looking for a plug socket? he replied no I’m looking for a window I was in the kitchen by the kitchen window he asked could I put a probe through the kitchen window. I did and told him that is the first time a gas engineer from his company and the previous company had asked to or did that. His reply was that they should. Put a probe through a window. Then moaning about the poor access to the boiler in the cupboard. he was going to report the poor access to the boiler. He proceeded to take the cover off the boiler and as far as I know, serviced the boiler. I was not paying much attention but did not see him check gas supplies to my meter as other engineers have done. The previous gas service company, engineers, would clean the boiler with a vacuum. The present company that service the boilers does not clean with a vacuum. On previous visits from this company, they have gone into my kitchen and checked my gas cooker This time he did not. While I was stood at the sink doing the same dishes, he came behind me, and I believe he took some pictures of the appliances I have in my kitchen. He was at my property, no longer than 40 minutes as I had time to do some dishes, boil the kettle and use my toaster he sent all done and left could I have some feedback please?
Hi Allen, have you had any issues with rain water in stormy weather being blown into the outer section/air intake on the flue on ideal boilers? I have an ideal vogue, with a horizontal flue. There is no white showing, it's all fitted correctly. It's just seems to be in high winds in a certain direction the rain is blown into the flue and drops to the bottom of the vogue and drips out via one of the holes at the bottom. Any ideas on what we can do to resolve, installer installed a cage over the flue which improved it but when really stormy we still get rain water in. Thanks - love the videos!
@@AllenHart999 No, Thank you Allen. You always give all you can. Too many TH-cam engineers forget to tell you to add eggs and butter when baking a cake, but you are always honest, so Thank you !!!
Nice video. Are you 100% sure they'll change all the parts for 10 years if you have it serviced? Pretty sure they'll change all parts for one year due to boiler warranty but after that any part will be changed unless its general wear and tear which absolutely ridiculous as what else can it be to cause part failure?
Baxi, Worcester’s, Vaillants, common ones really or just anything you have access to. Looking forward to a mini series on servicing the different makes. Thanks
just curious ,do you not check the new combustion seal for leakage with the analyser and ldf the gas seals that you disturbed and do you not use a torc wrench to re tighten combustion door to MI Tolerances ?
The vogue is a great bit of kit! Always seem to get a higher co reading on them, any idea why? Have one in my own house set up with a nest very good modulation
Most engineers I see even on large contracts with councils. Never ever take the boilers apart like you are doing ,, most stick an analyser in flue nothing else. Job done. . No other tests at all. No wonder they do 15 a day.
I also don't change them every year, only the gaskets, some boilers don't have a hi temp gasket,. And grease em with silicone, stops any low pressure leak.
Hi Allen, It shows very good customer after-sales service, but if I had been you I would have asked for two seals so that I had a spare in case another seal failed at a later date.
That trap seemed very rusty. Strange. Those primary heat exchangers are made by Giannoni. Who make them for several manufacturers. But I'm sure you already know that. Looks like a 3 coil one. Unless you've got a clean system they're prone to clogging up because you don't get full pressure around each coil. The only reason Ideal are giving such long warranties is because of the bad name they got over the Isar models which were fitted all over the place under various grant schemes.
@@AllenHart999 thanks a lot for your quick reply. I am already a subscriber to your channel and have found your videos brilliant. I'm changing career to become a plumber, just completing my nvq 2 and keen to progress onto gas. Have a great day mate 👍
hi alan,im getting one of these next month,at the moment we have a main eco 25, could you give me an idea what should i be roughly paying to have it installed in the same place, thanks
is 1 bar for the expansion vessel normal for every combi boiler of this size or there abouts? i have performa 28 and needs pumped up as pressure needle goes up when heating on
These videos are great! I was curious what was inside the boiler and how it worked. I have a Gloworm one, what is the buzzing sound it makes when you run the hot water? It sounds like a fan or maybe it’s the pump. It must be normal as British Gas service it every year!
Nice boiler, great informative video. When buying one or these boilers do you need to specify Nat Gas or LPG so it’s fitted with the correct injectors? Or will it be self modulating?
If the flue analysis results were correct you shouldn’t have stripped down the main heat exchanger chamber (stated in the manufacturers instructions). You can be doing more harm to the boiler in long term. I felt like you went overboard with that service. From removable of combustion chamber then the acid I was waiting for you to strip down the pump assembly haha. Fair play you seen very thorough and definitely not a cowboy so I can’t knock you for that. 👍
Every 2 years open combustion chamber check inside, second thing always change seals absolutely every time, third thing is high co2, ppm, and ratio is 0.0017 i never had boiler with ratio above 0.0009 u don't have proper combustion adjust amount of gas lower the co2 to 9.0% or whatever manufacturer tells u.
@@kevincranfield5235 Yes i agree with u the stronger the boiler the readings are higher and yes again i was thinking about Vaillant i am working for Vaillant, but again it is same heatexchanger same as Sime boilers.
Have you noticed the brown debris "coffee granules" are ferrous ? Also I have noticed haveing lower return temps seem to accelerate the build up. What's you thoughts on what it could be?
Allen Hart maybe the it’s the quality of stainless being used. Iv also noticed the welds on som of the bigger stainless hex are ferrous to. Condense definitely speeds the forming of the debris up tho. In some applications we have boilers that see a return temp of 60+ regular are clean as a whistle
Interesting that they use what looks like a rubber seal when I've had to change a good few vaillant/glowworm and they're graphite seals but using the same HE
The way the vogues introduce the gas/air mixture into the burner keeps the burner door cool when burning - think that’s why they can use rubber and they last longer.
It's always good to learn how boilers work and get serviced but it should only be carried out by professional engineers.Im really good at electrical,plumbing,and fixing really big diecasting machines with massive nitrogen accumulaters but I will never mess with a domestic boiler for the price of service it's not worth risking your and everyone's life.
A problem with these narrow tube spiral coil heat exchanges is that crud can form and solidify in the bottom of the coil. I prefer the Intergas heat exchanger. Built like a tank.
@@AllenHart999 Some that were on OV systems with no filter or inhibitor refreshed, I have seen block right up with a boiler a right-off. They are less forgiving than other heat exchanges.
No worries Allen top service though. Customers are getting value for money. Beats alot of service engineers giving a lap dance service. (5mins no touching)
Depends on a number of things really, Do you know what your cold water flow rate is at the moment? Also how far away is the gas meter. 40kw is normally way too big for most people. Thanks.
@@AllenHart999 the gas meter is approx 5 metres away from the boiler, not exactly sure on water flow rate but the flow is quite fast. Only considered the c40 as it has a high flow rate
@@AllenHart999 i responded back to you but didn't get a further response, i said the gas meter is approx 5 metres away from the boiler, not exactly sure on water flow rate but the flow is quite fast. Only considered the c40 as it has a high flow rate
Cheers Allen Top video I like the boiler the display is spot on nice and easy
The new Vogue is said to have a better display although i haven’t seen one yet. Thanks.
@@AllenHart999 hi Allen im 56 years old and am really considering a career change and going into fitting boilers I'd love to know how to get started in this business I do have age against me I do realise, but I'm a young 56 and not too old to learn..do you have any ideas has to how I could get started in this business?
Cheers Allen. Nice to see a service from start to finish. Tomorrow is my final exams before I become qualified after 51/2 years of doing an apprenticeship.
I love your videos honest and quality education can't beat it Sir thank you. Hope Mrs H is getting better.
Thanks so much
Very impressive. Wish every Engineer was as thorough as you!
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An excellent Video you can definitely see the reasons for using pressfit when installing a new boiler.
I love using press fit. Thanks.👍
Brill boilers. Just had one installed and got to say the Ideal Vogue is a quality piece of kit and worth the extra over the newer WB Geo line.
Omg I didnt realise you can get the gas inlet pressure and combustion at the same time Allen you are a DON thanks man
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Proper safe and legal workmanship not the cowboys you can sometimes get - nice one Allen for sharing this top video
Hi Mike Thank you so much for taking the time to comment, Also your kind words..👍
good vid Allen, i love fitting these boilers i think they are the best on the market for build quality, ease of fitting and servicing and the display is second to none ps i also like the fact it has a pressure gauge on it.
Right on
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Excellent thorough service. Not normally seen nowadays . I'll be definitely be using the service bag idea for analysers etc .
The bag is really good. Thanks for watching.
Great video Alan, Ideal Vogues are top quality, the display is particularly well though out on these.
👍👍👍
great video and very simple explanation
just little note on expansion vessel checking.I always first check with system topped up before pumping up air tu be sure rubber belly is healthy
Again very nice and clean installation 👍
You cannot get a reading from the expansion vessel when it's filled with water. Thanks.
My boiler care routine involves thanking it for its hard work every time I get something from the loft and promising that I'll get it serviced next year.
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This comment didn’t get the recognition it deserved 😂
Another great video Allen. I’ve bought myself a Vogue Max System 26 which I’ll be installing once the heating season is over. I can finally retire my faithful and reliable 30 year old Potterton Netaheat. Hoping to donate it to my local Assessment Centre as it’s a positive pressure fanned boiler as you will know.
Thank You
Love the cheeky drain off down the bottom Allen
You can just do it from filling loop but I didn’t want to splash the boiler too much. Thanks.
Another top video Allen. You are so generous with the sharing of your knowledge. Thank you.
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Really enjoy your videos , done a bit of plumbing back in the day so I am interested in the new ways of install and technology , keep them up . howy
Thank you so much for watching Mark. 👍
Brilliant video Allen. I've got an ideal ISAR, it's nothing but trouble. I don't think I could ever go back to ideal. No matter how good they are now. Never in a month of Sunday.
Lots of really good boilers these days from all brands. They just need a good installer. Thanks for watching.👍
The ISAR was awful,fitted one in my old house. Ideal are good now, every manufacturer has a bad boiler somewhere in there history. That ISAR was bad though 🤣
Allen you said about efficiency level you can get that High by lagging all that press fit you can also get it higher by range rating it but I'm not sure you can with vogue
You cannot range rate a Vogue unfortunately.
Hi I saw your videos and I really enjoyed it keep up the good work.
I have a Main Eco 30 Combi boiler I was fitted about 7 years ago, the whole pipe work is new and radiators.
There is one thing that annoys me on my boiler is that when ever is ignites it makes a small tiny explosive noise you can hear it from far 😫
I have so far replaced the electrodes since it was old and bent (it was working but I wanted to avoid it failing), the heat exchanger was hoovered and the seal was replaced, the diverter valve and actuator was replaced (since a small leak damaged it).
I have regularly flashed the water out using the drain point and running the boiler and keeping an eye on the pressure (the water is never too dark and flush it until it is clear water, I added some inhabitors, clean the filter out and took the air out of the rads, it is well balanced too.
I had to pressurise the extension vessel which is good now, on the same time I took the prv out and cleaned it very little dirt on it it’s working good, I also cleaned out the part in which condensation and other dirt accumulate.
There is one thing that annoys me on my boiler is that when ever is ignites it makes a small tiny explosive noise you can hear it from far 😫, you could describe it like a small delayed ignition 🤷🏽♂️
What would you recommend to check?
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Another brilliant tutorial Alan, lots information nicely explained thanks man you're awesome 👌🏻
Miran Salih Thank you so much for your kind words 👍
The Vogue is the Daddy of boilers, love em.
Definitely 👍
Alan, i have messaged you before, about boilers, and the extension that we are having built right now, anyway the builders said to me you pick any boiler you want and we will fit it for you, so i chose the ideal vogue, i hope that your ok with that one as it now comes with 12 years warranty i am told,it will connect to 10 rads ,but we are just a 4 bed semi, and as a fan of you and your work i thought i would check out my decision with you before buying, Ps its not a combi, we have a 36/18 prelagged, Thanks again for all you video,s
peter ryan The vogue is a very good boiler in my personal opinion.
Hello to all engineers out there, and again a massive thank you to Allen for an amazing and thorough video. I have a quick question how long does it take for a engineer to complete a full service? thank you for all your answers
Anything from 30 mins upward
There’s some boilers we work on regular and can have stripped down and cleaned in no time
Recently serviced one of these & was pretty impressed 👍🏻
Great to hear!
Merry Christmas
Always informative, learning something new everytime
Thank you for watching.
Great videos and handy to know if local plumbers may be bullshitting about things.
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Another great video. Thanks Allen.
Thank you.
Outstanding video, your values and work attitude should be made compulsory across the trade.
Thanks for sharing, already subscribed 👍
Let me know what other videos you would like. Thanks so much.
Thank you Allen, great for training, as always.
Really informative videos.do you do a earth loop test at the service?
Get yourself a regin pump for the vessel's they have a really long hose on them.
Thank you Gary.
Excellent video Allen
Jay Hambleton Thank you 🙏
Nice to see a full service. I recently used a Kane 455 and found the printer was very slow. Your 456 seems much faster.
My mates 455 started slow came back from a service alot faster. I have a 458 was fast has slowed right down, but I am brutal on the batteries...
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Excellent information video ❤️
Thank You
Great video mate 👍 your videos are really informative and down to earth
Liam Okeeffe Thank you Liam, 👍
Hi Allen Great video. Did i read your anylizer correct as it appeared to show (21:44)on Max fire 159ppm of CO. Is 159ppm considered acceptable in the UK?
As long as its less than 350ppm, Thanks.
Brilliant video pal keep up the good work 👍
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Thought the whole purpose of these boilers was not to need an annual strip down unless you had a problem? Seems a bit overkill, and the cost of replacing the heat exchanger seals an unnecessary cost to the customer. That's what Baxi taught me.
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Alan you mentioned that the Vogue has all brass fittings. Is that the case with newer vogue boilers? I had a Worcester and the failures I have experienced are with plastic components. I will buy a vogue if hey still have all brass fittings.
GREAT VIDEOS
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Top video,very helpful.Thanks
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Excellent video really well explained
Thank you for watching Razz👍
Good video appreciate it Allen. You’re diamond.
Hi Javid. Thanks.
Great video again Alan
Thank you Chris.
Another top show. Cheers Allen 👍
william mc grattan Thank You 🙏
Great vid mate. My fave boiler to work on... Love the vogue 😃
Hey up Tesh how you doing👍
@@AllenHart999 all good mate hope you're keeping well
@@cubanlinx When you taking me out for lunch 😂
@@AllenHart999 bacon butty! Let us know when you're doing a job near me will deliveroo
@@cubanlinx 😂😂😂👍
Another great video, thank you for your time!
Thank you for your time and watching my videos. 👍
@@AllenHart999 you're welcome, I always learn at least one thing from your videos
Great video. Good for new gas engineer like my self. However on the reading the boiler ratio was 0.0017 and the max should be no more then 0.0008 can you please explain. Thanks Allan
Always read the manufacturer's instructions dude. They are your bible.
you've got one to many o's. 0.0080 or with a air/gas ratio control valve it's 0.0040 Alans got 0.0017 so it's far below action levels
@@bamjonny was about say that too. 0.008 is classed AR I believe, but 0.005 is the limit for an overhaul. Tbh I'm yet to see a reading that high
Get a collapsible washing up bowl from b&m. Trust me you'll love me lol. Keep up the good work big al.
Thanks.
I have just had a gas service engineer at my council property ( a ground floor flat ) to conduct a service on my gas boiler. One of the first things he did was go into my bathroom he had something in his hand I asked was he looking for a plug socket? he replied no I’m looking for a window I was in the kitchen by the kitchen window he asked could I put a probe through the kitchen window. I did and told him that is the first time a gas engineer from his company and the previous company had asked to or did that. His reply was that they should. Put a probe through a window. Then moaning about the poor access to the boiler in the cupboard. he was going to report the poor access to the boiler. He proceeded to take the cover off the boiler and as far as I know, serviced the boiler. I was not paying much attention but did not see him check gas supplies to my meter as other engineers have done. The previous gas service company, engineers, would clean the boiler with a vacuum. The present company that service the boilers does not clean with a vacuum. On previous visits from this company, they have gone into my kitchen and checked my gas cooker This time he did not. While I was stood at the sink doing the same dishes, he came behind me, and I believe he took some pictures of the appliances I have in my kitchen. He was at my property, no longer than 40 minutes as I had time to do some dishes, boil the kettle and use my toaster he sent all done and left could I have some feedback please?
Hi Allen do you know what tool you need to service a Worcester 32cdi compact erp heat exchanger?
Great video! Glad i installed one in my house 👊😎
I installed one in my last house, Cannot fault them. Thanks for watching.
Hi Allen. What was the name of the socket set with the ratchet? Great video again really helpful thanks
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Hi Allen, have you had any issues with rain water in stormy weather being blown into the outer section/air intake on the flue on ideal boilers? I have an ideal vogue, with a horizontal flue. There is no white showing, it's all fitted correctly. It's just seems to be in high winds in a certain direction the rain is blown into the flue and drops to the bottom of the vogue and drips out via one of the holes at the bottom.
Any ideas on what we can do to resolve, installer installed a cage over the flue which improved it but when really stormy we still get rain water in. Thanks - love the videos!
Hi Rob. I have heard of this but it’s normally when the flue hasn’t been installed correctly . As you know the flue needs to be level. Thanks.
Brilliant video Alan thanks 👍
Thank you.
Thank you Allen, as per, great vid.
Thanks.
@@AllenHart999 No, Thank you Allen. You always give all you can. Too many TH-cam engineers forget to tell you to add eggs and butter when baking a cake, but you are always honest, so Thank you !!!
I've got the 458, my analyser probe looks much longer 🤔. Nice simple boiler to both service and install. ✋ Allen 💪
I noticed that.. stumpy probe!?
Great video Allen 👍
Thank You.
Is there such a thing as Standard service vs Strip down service? If yes then what's the difference
Nice video. Are you 100% sure they'll change all the parts for 10 years if you have it serviced? Pretty sure they'll change all parts for one year due to boiler warranty but after that any part will be changed unless its general wear and tear which absolutely ridiculous as what else can it be to cause part failure?
I have never had any issues. Thanks.
Great vid. Would be good to see servicing vids on other brands as well.
Which brands would you like to see? Thanks.
Baxi, Worcester’s, Vaillants, common ones really or just anything you have access to. Looking forward to a mini series on servicing the different makes. Thanks
@@IbrahimAliSapnin I have already done a few of them but i will try and add more when possible. Thank You👍
Great video thank you 👌🏼
Thank You
just curious ,do you not check the new combustion seal for leakage with the analyser and ldf the gas seals that you disturbed and do you not use a torc wrench to re tighten combustion door to MI Tolerances ?
I have never met anyone who uses a torc wrench, do you know how tight they need to be?
What a piece of cake to service and a user interface that’s easy to understand, if the ratios need adjusting, is that done via the gas valve or board?
Not sure you can adjust these. Thanks..
Hi Allen, do you gas rate on a service and if so do you put it on high fire to do that
yes
Prv discharge pipe wasn't sleeved through wall. It appears
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can you use press fit in inaccessibly locations
Yes, Depending on the manufacture
The vogue is a great bit of kit! Always seem to get a higher co reading on them, any idea why? Have one in my own house set up with a nest very good modulation
I must agree, These are very very good boilers.
Excellent video!
Thank you Stevie. 👍
Why do you pump expansion vessel?
Because it looses its charge.
Most engineers I see even on large contracts with councils. Never ever take the boilers apart like you are doing ,, most stick an analyser in flue nothing else. Job done. . No other tests at all. No wonder they do 15 a day.
Thank You
, no safe isolation, can’t see any boiler components protection, can’t see any dearator for instance, on the install????
TB118 is our video on safe isolation. Thanks th-cam.com/video/5mIb8p3mYlQ/w-d-xo.html
Deaerator isn't needed.
Quick question. Should you of done a gas test because a seal was broken on the gas inside boiler. Thanks
no requirement to test the gas, just needs spraying
I also don't change them every year, only the gaskets, some boilers don't have a hi temp gasket,. And grease em with silicone, stops any low pressure leak.
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Hello, what is the name of the knife with a green handle, what do you use? I'm interested in one like this to clean the condensates. Thank you
Stay safe. Watch this one just in case. Thanks th-cam.com/video/Hh5lFC7VI4U/w-d-xo.html
Hi Allen, It shows very good customer after-sales service, but if I had been you I would have asked for two seals so that I had a spare in case another seal failed at a later date.
John Fithian-Franks I will buy some from merchants for van stock. 👍
Good vid mate keep it up👌🏼
Thank you for taking the time to watch my video.
That trap seemed very rusty. Strange.
Those primary heat exchangers are made by Giannoni. Who make them for several manufacturers. But I'm sure you already know that. Looks like a 3 coil one. Unless you've got a clean system they're prone to clogging up because you don't get full pressure around each coil.
The only reason Ideal are giving such long warranties is because of the bad name they got over the Isar models which were fitted all over the place under various grant schemes.
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In terms of the building regs, would the boiler service requirements on a lpg static caravan system be similar to the boiler service within a house?
Yes i believe so but it would be a good idea to check with the boiler manufacturer. Thanks.
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@@AllenHart999 thanks a lot for your quick reply. I am already a subscriber to your channel and have found your videos brilliant. I'm changing career to become a plumber, just completing my nvq 2 and keen to progress onto gas. Have a great day mate 👍
hi alan,im getting one of these next month,at the moment we have a main eco 25, could you give me an idea what should i be roughly paying to have it installed in the same place, thanks
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Can you press straight on to a drain off? Or is there actual press drain off fittings?
tyrone Sylvester That’s a very good question, The speedfit drainoffs have a longer tail so you can press onto it 😂👍
is 1 bar for the expansion vessel normal for every combi boiler of this size or there abouts? i have performa 28 and needs pumped up as pressure needle goes up when heating on
I normally do them to 1 bar Thanks.
I still use my masters bag ever since I saw your video, changing from your little blue bg box, mines no where as clean as yours tho. Quality bag tho 👌
It’s a great bag, just need to be careful not to put too much in it as it weighs a tonne 😂😂😂
I found that out the hard way, I filled with all my servicing stuff, I soon emptied it 😂
These videos are great! I was curious what was inside the boiler and how it worked. I have a Gloworm one, what is the buzzing sound it makes when you run the hot water? It sounds like a fan or maybe it’s the pump. It must be normal as British Gas service it every year!
Do they strip the boiler down like this ?
Installed a vogue, efficiency level at 15% all readings fine and flow temps correct, every see this issue before?
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Is every service you do a full strip down and if not, how do you determine if it is or not
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Nice boiler, great informative video. When buying one or these boilers do you need to specify Nat Gas or LPG so it’s fitted with the correct injectors? Or will it be self modulating?
steroy69 I am not sure tbh, if I was installing an LPG one I would check with ideal., Thanks
Morco make LPG combi boilers which are an ideal boiler with a morco badge on. Made in Hull.
Hi - is the expansion vessel procedure compulsory on an annual service?
yes
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If the flue analysis results were correct you shouldn’t have stripped down the main heat exchanger chamber (stated in the manufacturers instructions). You can be doing more harm to the boiler in long term.
I felt like you went overboard with that service. From removable of combustion chamber then the acid I was waiting for you to strip down the pump assembly haha.
Fair play you seen very thorough and definitely not a cowboy so I can’t knock you for that. 👍
Paul Uttley glad I did, the seal needed changing.
Every 2 years open combustion chamber check inside, second thing always change seals absolutely every time, third thing is high co2, ppm, and ratio is 0.0017 i never had boiler with ratio above 0.0009 u don't have proper combustion adjust amount of gas lower the co2 to 9.0% or whatever manufacturer tells u.
@@kevincranfield5235 Yes i agree with u the stronger the boiler the readings are higher and yes again i was thinking about Vaillant i am working for Vaillant, but again it is same heatexchanger same as Sime boilers.
Not in the industry anymore as I'm a construction manager. Nice to see the penny dropped at ideal re ditching the god awful Isar / Icos aluminium HX
Have you noticed the brown debris "coffee granules" are ferrous ? Also I have noticed haveing lower return temps seem to accelerate the build up. What's you thoughts on what it could be?
Dan Moreton I haven’t really noticed but not sure what it is. Thanks 🙏
Explains the rusty looking trap
Dan Moreton no idea why though. Have you ?
Allen Hart maybe the it’s the quality of stainless being used. Iv also noticed the welds on som of the bigger stainless hex are ferrous to. Condense definitely speeds the forming of the debris up tho. In some applications we have boilers that see a return temp of 60+ regular are clean as a whistle
Dan Moreton same happens in the Viessmann heat exchangers
Interesting that they use what looks like a rubber seal when I've had to change a good few vaillant/glowworm and they're graphite seals but using the same HE
Yes it’s a rubber seal. Thanks.👍
The way the vogues introduce the gas/air mixture into the burner keeps the burner door cool when burning - think that’s why they can use rubber and they last longer.
Don’t know about you Allen but I love ideals for servicing there so easy also where did you get that tool bag from I want one hahah
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We always use a Henry when servicing
I wanted cordless, I also have a Henry. 👍
what are the disadvantages of press fit?
Hi Ed. Very good question. Cost is the main one I guess. Thanks.
It's always good to learn how boilers work and get serviced but it should only be carried out by professional engineers.Im really good at electrical,plumbing,and fixing really big diecasting machines with massive nitrogen accumulaters but I will never mess with a domestic boiler for the price of service it's not worth risking your and everyone's life.
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Is pumping to 1bar always enough for heating circle's expansion tank?
I normally do them just over 1 bar. Happy new year. Thanks.
A problem with these narrow tube spiral coil heat exchanges is that crud can form and solidify in the bottom of the coil. I prefer the Intergas heat exchanger. Built like a tank.
John Burns Never has an issue with any I have installed 👍
@@AllenHart999 Some that were on OV systems with no filter or inhibitor refreshed, I have seen block right up with a boiler a right-off. They are less forgiving than other heat exchanges.
John Burns If installed correctly and on a clean system you will never have an issue. Agree with you though with bad installers 👍
@@AllenHart999 I still prefer the Intergas heat exchanger. 👍
John Burns Each to there own 👍
You want to be changing a combustion seal everytime. Keep them as van stock
I will from now on. Thanks.
This is not something u want it is something u must change every time u are opening heat exchanger.
No worries Allen top service though. Customers are getting value for money. Beats alot of service engineers giving a lap dance service. (5mins no touching)
@@whitebear5405 that's the best phrase I've ever heard in the trade, cheers mate I'll shall use it the rest of my career 👍🏾
Mark I disagree there is no need to change seal on every service as long as it is in good condition .
New Engineer here, does the boiler needs to be firing to put in service mold or just calling for heat? Great video!
Yes, you need a call for heat. Thanks
Considering the vogue c40 for a 4 bedroom detached house, 1 bath, 1 electric shower and 14 rads. Will the c40 be more than adequate?
Depends on a number of things really, Do you know what your cold water flow rate is at the moment? Also how far away is the gas meter. 40kw is normally way too big for most people. Thanks.
@@AllenHart999 the gas meter is approx 5 metres away from the boiler, not exactly sure on water flow rate but the flow is quite fast. Only considered the c40 as it has a high flow rate
Hi @Allen Hart would appreciate a response
@UCPlH1tRtRSE4SiY66gf2dIA I have responded above. Thanks.
@@AllenHart999 i responded back to you but didn't get a further response, i said the gas meter is approx 5 metres away from the boiler, not exactly sure on water flow rate but the flow is quite fast. Only considered the c40 as it has a high flow rate
Great video Alan. You seem to really like this boiler, did you not fit a baxi in the new house? May I ask why?
I really do like the Ideal Vogue, I installed a baxi in my new house as it's smaller and more compact. I also like the brass etc in the baxi, Thanks.