Elder Penrose's comments @ 46:00 could be further clarified by more revelation on the subject, received by President Joseph F. Smith in 1918, as found in Doctrine & Covenants Sec. 138. This section explains beautifully and in significant detail what Christ did in the spirit world during the three days his mortal body lay in the tomb.
This popped up on my feed this morning. I am grateful! Can you tell me if they are canonized? I've heard them quoted and always thought i would take the time to read the discourses. Now, because of your efforts, I can listen to them. Thank you! ❤
I'm glad you liked it! Check out the 4 quotes in the link below from just a couple of the Apostles and Prophets' own words. A common misconception today is that they're not canon, from the Churchs statement that they're not a publishment of the church. That's because the Church isn't the printer, as they're published by "Significant Scriptures LLC." However, you can still buy them from the Church at the link below if interested in the physical copy. Another misconception is their authenticity, considering we dont have actual audio recordings. Yet I've only found 1 so far that they made sure to mention was not able to be checked and edited by the origional speaker, otherwise they did have them approved and edited by whomever gave the talks before being included in the journals. Also, it's been stated that on their own theses discourses dont stand as a complete source of our Churchs doctrine, as one must also include the Bible, Book of Mormon, and Doctrine and Covenants, along with prayer and inspiration to know the Lords Will today. Always pray. Without prayer our minds may become darkened, and darkness cannot comprehend the light.The Spirit testifies of all truth. Only in this way can we understand the perspectives of these earlier Saints and their paths in growing closer to our Heavenly Father. God truly did come again. The world shuns that idea and puts to shame the teachings of Christ. One would think, that eventually "the world" would get it, and figure it out, that their ways arent working, and realize that we still have Prophets on the Earth today, and listen for once.... journalofdiscourses.com/ www.deseretbook.com/product/5250322.html
@JournalOfDiscourses Thank you for your reply! I completely agree with you. We must be prayerful in all our studies and seek the spirit to guide us in discerning truth. We are living in dark times and the adversary loves to mix a little truth in with lots of lies. It is our responsibility to learn the difference. Thank you again!
"Churches" is something we have right now. For God, its not so much about someones opinion in a Church, as it is simply, reality or facts or truth or what really is. In this discourse he teaches that the holy ghost only teaches of truth. Everything else is based on mans pride, stubbornness, traditions, ir own ideas. When the Savior comes again, He too will only teach truth. It wont be so much about LDS, Born Again Christians, Presbyterian, Catholics, Muslims, or Jew; but simply just the people of God. Those are they who have ears to hear and soft hearts to know the truth from Christ. Many will still hold tightly to their opinions and traditions, but the Holy Ghost will testify boldly in those days that all might soften their hearts. It wont be the first time in the history of the world, that people see miracles and still refuse to believe. But by that time, the wicked and those who would not give heed to the Spirit in warnings and directions, will have been swept away. Only few will reject the truth being declared. We will all still have our agency. There will still be hurdles. But God wont teach one doctrine here and another one there. One message only. And all will either accept it or reject it.
Read the Book of Mormon the scriptures explains it clearly what happens when we die. It is important to draw close to God by praying often, reading the scriptures, doing good to others, and attending church regularly. Hope and charity require a humble heart. The goal is to qualify ourselves to return to God's presence blameless. Daily repentance is required and never sin again in order to be truly forgiven.😊
56:34 The reason that people generally do not receive it when it is preached to them by the servants of God, it is a hard saying, but true nevertheless. It is because their deeds are evil. Because they love the things of the world more than the things of God. And the love of the Father is not in them. And because they reject the truth when presented to them, and delight in the spirit of the world they oppose the truth. And if not openly in their hearts they sanction acts of persecution and hatred against the saints of God. Some of them are corrupt in their practices. And such persons are ever ready to assail and (?) the character of our leading men. Men who we know to be pure in their lives. And to be righteous before God. It is the very worst of men who take this course. And thus the evil one, the destroyer of the souls of men, worketh in them and through them. And when they have opposed this work, all that they possibly can, they will find that it flourishes and grows and spreads forth. While they will go to the place prepared for them, where they will remain until they shall have paid the uttermost farthing for their willful wickedness. All men who fight against the holy priesthood of God will have to meet that some day. Their acts are not hidden from the eyes of Him who does not slumber. Their evil deeds and wicked sayings will be revealed openly. The time will come when the first angel of God will sound the trump declaring the secret acts of men during the first 1,000 years. And the second angel will sound his trump and reveal the secret acts of men and the thoughts and intents of their hearts during the second 1,000 years. And so on down to the last 1,000 years. Even until it shall be declared that time shall be no longer. And the secrets acts of all men in all the ages shall be brought to light. My brethren and sisters, Let that be a caution to you and to me.
@@JournalOfDiscourses I think it helps me to learn better when I write it out instead of letting it pass by. And I’m hoping it helps others who may see them.
Well, thats what most other churches would ask us. In considering their view that after death, all is set, paused, frozen in place of the deeds done during life; that no progression or repentance is possible. Our Heavenly Father is not looking for every opportunity He can find to capture us in our sins; but rather, He seeks to provide ways of escape. If we refuse the Atonement of Christ, the debt still will need to be paid for the sin. Either through faith and humility, or anger and stubbornness, as Brigham Young once put it, if need be our sins will literally be burnt out of us. God in no way seeks for our never ending tourment, but that we may take our place in the various degrees of glory. The suffering process, or put another way, the cleansing process, will forever be available fir as long as it takes. The Temple ordinances provide the keys and covenants, to prepare our hearts to receive the Atonement, which provides for our escape from the clutches of hell, or suffering, that through Christ we may come unto the Father and inherent Celestrial, Terrestrial, or our Terrestrial glory. Just as Jesus stood as proxy for us to lose the bands of death, and also hell, providing a path for those who keep their covenants with God, to return to Him; and as such, we too may stand as proxies for eachother, to receive these sacred keys and promises on behalf of others, that when all is said and done, they too will have received the very same opportunity through the sacred ordinances provided by God, to seal on earth, that through humility they might accept and receive those promises and loved ones sealed in Heaven.
Don’t confuse the elect, which are the only one who will accept the gospel, either in this life or the next, which the noble one, who will go to the Terrestrial Kingdom. Joseph Smith called those: wicked, because they have rejected the fullness of the gospel. Now the people who will go to the Telestial Kingdom, will go to hell for a thousand years, and then they will be able to go to the telestial realm.
No. Here he is describing the specific circumstances of whom commit an unpardonable sin. That they rose to the occasion in covenants, received a perfect witness of Christ, and then sought to fight against the kingdom of God, lifting themselves in their pride, in much a similar way in which Lucifer sought to glorify himself.
Is it not consistent to say there is one truth, and there is one true church? It is consistent. I would prefer the churches all claimed to be true churches, than claim there can be no true church; for to say the latter is to say there is no truth. Truth is singular. A thing is either true or it isn't. "Truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come" (Doctrine and Covenants 93:24). Indeed, Jesus is "the way the truth and the life" (John 14:6). If Jesus is true, and He instituted a church, would it not be a true church (Matthew 16:18)? "...one body, one Spirit...one hope...one Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all...." (Ephesians 4:4-6). I say let the churches claim to be true and let the people determine for themselves which of them actually are. But to say there is no true church is to be without hope of finding the truth.
Thankyou Elder Penrose for clearing the true doctrine of the gospel 👍🏼👍🏼
These talks are so good. They were from a long time ago but the information is right on point for the day
39:34 Truth can be made plain to all that desire its light.
Beautiful pictures and I love these J.O.D.s
Thank each one for making them possible. 5:44
Elder Penrose's comments @ 46:00 could be further clarified by more revelation on the subject, received by President Joseph F. Smith in 1918, as found in Doctrine & Covenants Sec. 138. This section explains beautifully and in significant detail what Christ did in the spirit world during the three days his mortal body lay in the tomb.
Hello from Frog Level, Louisiana
Very well said . Thanks
Thank you!
Wonderful discourse, thank you!😁
Hi from Taylorsville, Utah.
This is a very good talk. Basic principles, carefully explained in a way that anyone with an open mind can understand.
This popped up on my feed this morning. I am grateful! Can you tell me if they are canonized? I've heard them quoted and always thought i would take the time to read the discourses. Now, because of your efforts, I can listen to them. Thank you! ❤
I'm glad you liked it! Check out the 4 quotes in the link below from just a couple of the Apostles and Prophets' own words. A common misconception today is that they're not canon, from the Churchs statement that they're not a publishment of the church. That's because the Church isn't the printer, as they're published by "Significant Scriptures LLC." However, you can still buy them from the Church at the link below if interested in the physical copy. Another misconception is their authenticity, considering we dont have actual audio recordings. Yet I've only found 1 so far that they made sure to mention was not able to be checked and edited by the origional speaker, otherwise they did have them approved and edited by whomever gave the talks before being included in the journals. Also, it's been stated that on their own theses discourses dont stand as a complete source of our Churchs doctrine, as one must also include the Bible, Book of Mormon, and Doctrine and Covenants, along with prayer and inspiration to know the Lords Will today.
Always pray. Without prayer our minds may become darkened, and darkness cannot comprehend the light.The Spirit testifies of all truth. Only in this way can we understand the perspectives of these earlier Saints and their paths in growing closer to our Heavenly Father. God truly did come again. The world shuns that idea and puts to shame the teachings of Christ.
One would think, that eventually "the world" would get it, and figure it out, that their ways arent working, and realize that we still have Prophets on the Earth today, and listen for once....
journalofdiscourses.com/
www.deseretbook.com/product/5250322.html
@JournalOfDiscourses Thank you for your reply! I completely agree with you. We must be prayerful in all our studies and seek the spirit to guide us in discerning truth. We are living in dark times and the adversary loves to mix a little truth in with lots of lies. It is our responsibility to learn the difference. Thank you again!
43:58 1 Peter chapter 3 verses 18 through 20 45:17 1 Peter chapter 4 verse 6 (I did it that way so that there won't be confusing timestamps)
31:07 Because God is the one giving the punishment, it's Eternal. Not for eternity. That's what I've heard.
D&C explains eternal punishment in this sense very well.
Doctrine and Covenant 19
Doctrine and Covenant 19
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17:56 I didn't know some believed one had to be immersed three times.
22:22 I've read this will happen again. Will there no be longer separate churches then? 24:02
"Churches" is something we have right now. For God, its not so much about someones opinion in a Church, as it is simply, reality or facts or truth or what really is. In this discourse he teaches that the holy ghost only teaches of truth. Everything else is based on mans pride, stubbornness, traditions, ir own ideas. When the Savior comes again, He too will only teach truth. It wont be so much about LDS, Born Again Christians, Presbyterian, Catholics, Muslims, or Jew; but simply just the people of God. Those are they who have ears to hear and soft hearts to know the truth from Christ. Many will still hold tightly to their opinions and traditions, but the Holy Ghost will testify boldly in those days that all might soften their hearts. It wont be the first time in the history of the world, that people see miracles and still refuse to believe. But by that time, the wicked and those who would not give heed to the Spirit in warnings and directions, will have been swept away. Only few will reject the truth being declared. We will all still have our agency. There will still be hurdles. But God wont teach one doctrine here and another one there. One message only. And all will either accept it or reject it.
Read the Book of Mormon the scriptures explains it clearly what happens when we die. It is important to draw close to God by praying often, reading the scriptures, doing good to others, and attending church regularly. Hope and charity require a humble heart. The goal is to qualify ourselves to return to God's presence blameless. Daily repentance is required and never sin again in order to be truly forgiven.😊
56:34 The reason that people generally do not receive it when it is preached to them by the servants of God, it is a hard saying, but true nevertheless. It is because their deeds are evil. Because they love the things of the world more than the things of God. And the love of the Father is not in them. And because they reject the truth when presented to them, and delight in the spirit of the world they oppose the truth. And if not openly in their hearts they sanction acts of persecution and hatred against the saints of God. Some of them are corrupt in their practices. And such persons are ever ready to assail and (?) the character of our leading men. Men who we know to be pure in their lives. And to be righteous before God. It is the very worst of men who take this course. And thus the evil one, the destroyer of the souls of men, worketh in them and through them. And when they have opposed this work, all that they possibly can, they will find that it flourishes and grows and spreads forth. While they will go to the place prepared for them, where they will remain until they shall have paid the uttermost farthing for their willful wickedness. All men who fight against the holy priesthood of God will have to meet that some day. Their acts are not hidden from the eyes of Him who does not slumber. Their evil deeds and wicked sayings will be revealed openly. The time will come when the first angel of God will sound the trump declaring the secret acts of men during the first 1,000 years. And the second angel will sound his trump and reveal the secret acts of men and the thoughts and intents of their hearts during the second 1,000 years. And so on down to the last 1,000 years. Even until it shall be declared that time shall be no longer. And the secrets acts of all men in all the ages shall be brought to light. My brethren and sisters, Let that be a caution to you and to me.
Im loving your comments
@@JournalOfDiscourses I think it helps me to learn better when I write it out instead of letting it pass by. And I’m hoping it helps others who may see them.
28:03 Then why do temple work? 51:00
Well, thats what most other churches would ask us. In considering their view that after death, all is set, paused, frozen in place of the deeds done during life; that no progression or repentance is possible. Our Heavenly Father is not looking for every opportunity He can find to capture us in our sins; but rather, He seeks to provide ways of escape. If we refuse the Atonement of Christ, the debt still will need to be paid for the sin. Either through faith and humility, or anger and stubbornness, as Brigham Young once put it, if need be our sins will literally be burnt out of us. God in no way seeks for our never ending tourment, but that we may take our place in the various degrees of glory. The suffering process, or put another way, the cleansing process, will forever be available fir as long as it takes. The Temple ordinances provide the keys and covenants, to prepare our hearts to receive the Atonement, which provides for our escape from the clutches of hell, or suffering, that through Christ we may come unto the Father and inherent Celestrial, Terrestrial, or our Terrestrial glory. Just as Jesus stood as proxy for us to lose the bands of death, and also hell, providing a path for those who keep their covenants with God, to return to Him; and as such, we too may stand as proxies for eachother, to receive these sacred keys and promises on behalf of others, that when all is said and done, they too will have received the very same opportunity through the sacred ordinances provided by God, to seal on earth, that through humility they might accept and receive those promises and loved ones sealed in Heaven.
Don’t confuse the elect, which are the only one who will accept the gospel, either in this life or the next, which the noble one, who will go to the Terrestrial Kingdom. Joseph Smith called those: wicked, because they have rejected the fullness of the gospel. Now the people who will go to the Telestial Kingdom, will go to hell for a thousand years, and then they will be able to go to the telestial realm.
37:29 So it would be from the leaders of the church?
No. Here he is describing the specific circumstances of whom commit an unpardonable sin. That they rose to the occasion in covenants, received a perfect witness of Christ, and then sought to fight against the kingdom of God, lifting themselves in their pride, in much a similar way in which Lucifer sought to glorify himself.
Ahead of its time
18:14 No right to use the names of the holy trinity without expressly authorized to do so. I had not thought of that.
Is it not consistent to say there is one truth, and there is one true church? It is consistent. I would prefer the churches all claimed to be true churches, than claim there can be no true church; for to say the latter is to say there is no truth. Truth is singular. A thing is either true or it isn't. "Truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come" (Doctrine and Covenants 93:24). Indeed, Jesus is "the way the truth and the life" (John 14:6). If Jesus is true, and He instituted a church, would it not be a true church (Matthew 16:18)? "...one body, one Spirit...one hope...one Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all...." (Ephesians 4:4-6). I say let the churches claim to be true and let the people determine for themselves which of them actually are. But to say there is no true church is to be without hope of finding the truth.
For what purpose is this channel monetized 💰?
To recoup our costs for software and licenses. Excess will go into our wards mission fund.
And as of a month or 2 ago, we no longer are, and we're still pumping these out
0:45 Looks like a snake on the building.
Lol! Where??! Im not seeing what youre talking about
@@JournalOfDiscourses the triangle up top. The windows are the eyes. Bottom of the triangle is the mouth.
Or an octopus with all those spires. Thats funny
This guy is in hell right now
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Say hi to him when you get there.
He’s preparing a place for you egghead.