One of my favorite dialogs in the wonderful movie TROY. Achilles (Brad pitt) - the great hero of Trojan war reveals the other side of life as a warrior!!
Troy has some of the best dialogues which seem to align with the present day also, for example, "Soldiers die for kings whom they have never even met" "Don't waste your life following some fool's orders" "War is about young men dying and old men talking... ignore the politics"
Why? He said go and Patroklos obeys. If he thought Achilles was a fool, he would not do what he is told. But Achilles was selfcentered and egoistic, even while teaching young Patroklos the life lessons that would have saved his life if he listen to it. Does not make either of them a fool, but Agamemnon...
Obligatory, in the actual Iliad comment incoming: In the actual Iliad, Patroclus was a seasoned killer and far deadlier than even Hector. Apollo had to come to Hector's aid for the latter to have a chance at slaying Patroclus. Apollo broke a few of Patroclus' ribs/punctured his lungs with a powerful open palm slap to the back. Hector followed up with the eventual finisher.
I wouldn’t define him as a “seasoned killer”. He’s different from the movie version in the sense that he’s older, so his relationship with Achilles is one between equals rather than a teacher/pupil one. And yes, he is capable as a warrior. Still though, Briseis mourns him as “Patroclus, who was always sweet”. It’s clear there was an innocence to him that Achilles lacked. I wouldn’t define him as deadlier than Hector, not by a long shot.
@@rickblaine9670 Have to disagree for the most part. Patroclus relished slaying the Trojans and even took out Sarpedon with ease. Seasoned killer seems an apt moniker. I would suggest he is significantly stronger than Hector. Hector watched and waited cautiously, only striking after Apollo broke Patroclus' ribs, tore his armor open, and slapped his helmet off. This, with Euphorbus' spear wound gushing out.
It is true in every parable form thay destruction is the root of all evil wich is why war is so great when it is mankind against societies it is that when asked to betroth your brothern as one would ask they too forget the sanctities ofan amd came against atruck as thine first stone not a pebble and crushed his skull seventeen times for berothing his brother as a raped man
It wouldn't have been so bad in GoT if the Dothraki hadn't pointlessly charged forward instead of being utilized on the flanks. Instead they are all thrown away before the fight has even begun.
Troy has some of the best dialogues which seem to align with the present day also, for example,
"Soldiers die for kings whom they have never even met"
"Don't waste your life following some fool's orders"
"War is about young men dying and old men talking... ignore the politics"
I agree. It is great classic writing. so thoughtful and true.
"Don't waste your life following a fool's orders" damn Achiles I guess you are the fool in this one xD
Why? He said go and Patroklos obeys. If he thought Achilles was a fool, he would not do what he is told. But Achilles was selfcentered and egoistic, even while teaching young Patroklos the life lessons that would have saved his life if he listen to it. Does not make either of them a fool, but Agamemnon...
😂waste, not waist
@saraoverkamping8143 he said not to fight and Patroclus did anyway
I never connected the dots but his cuz leaving is like him saying that Achilles isn’t a fool
And he throws his life away like the good soldier that obeys orders he is.
Obligatory, in the actual Iliad comment incoming:
In the actual Iliad, Patroclus was a seasoned killer and far deadlier than even Hector. Apollo had to come to Hector's aid for the latter to have a chance at slaying Patroclus. Apollo broke a few of Patroclus' ribs/punctured his lungs with a powerful open palm slap to the back. Hector followed up with the eventual finisher.
I wouldn’t define him as a “seasoned killer”. He’s different from the movie version in the sense that he’s older, so his relationship with Achilles is one between equals rather than a teacher/pupil one. And yes, he is capable as a warrior. Still though, Briseis mourns him as “Patroclus, who was always sweet”. It’s clear there was an innocence to him that Achilles lacked. I wouldn’t define him as deadlier than Hector, not by a long shot.
@@rickblaine9670 Have to disagree for the most part. Patroclus relished slaying the Trojans and even took out Sarpedon with ease. Seasoned killer seems an apt moniker. I would suggest he is significantly stronger than Hector. Hector watched and waited cautiously, only striking after Apollo broke Patroclus' ribs, tore his armor open, and slapped his helmet off. This, with Euphorbus' spear wound gushing out.
This guy Iliads
Don't waste your life following some fools orders 🥀
Go !
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A great movie
At night I see their faces........
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It is true in every parable form thay destruction is the root of all evil wich is why war is so great when it is mankind against societies it is that when asked to betroth your brothern as one would ask they too forget the sanctities ofan amd came against atruck as thine first stone not a pebble and crushed his skull seventeen times for berothing his brother as a raped man
That's why no one will remember your name
Its really clever to put your whole army out infront of your stonewalls, isnt it? In game of thrones they are guilty of this war winning strategy too.
Same writers, same idea 🙂 they just used it again
It wouldn't have been so bad in GoT if the Dothraki hadn't pointlessly charged forward instead of being utilized on the flanks. Instead they are all thrown away before the fight has even begun.
Brad pitt 😀
Sa4ay var😊
Isn't "we men are wretched things" from Shakespeare's writing?
I think it's from Homer's Illiad
@@lakshmananag1938 Thank you.
@Shon East lol no
@Shon East It is originally from the Iliad. Shakespare and the Bibel creators used it. Wrong fit here
@shoneast6880it’s from Homer’s Iliad
Hem dee askeri😊
Les sous-titres français sont une catastrophe. C'est très drôle ! 😂😂
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