Snowy Highways, Hot Coffee road trip: Volvo, Starbucks EV Charging Test
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ธ.ค. 2023
- Volvo and Starbucks have a new venture to put EV chargers at the coffee shops. Managing Editor takes two different Volvo EVs to see how it works over a 1,400 mile trip.
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Starbucks is smart setting chargers up at their stores. Making a ton of money off all the people spending money at their store waiting for their cars to charge.
15 min stops are perfect for coffee, snack, bathroom break.
I use to be able to take a lunch break charging my last ev… my new one is so fast I need to hurry pee breaks
Even if you don’t buy the coffee, you have a place to pee and check email in a safe space while you charge.
EVs are dying however, Biden is drilling oil at record amounts. Americans don’t want EVs anymore according to stats. So I’m not sure if it’s a good investment.
Spend all the money you 'saved' by buying an EV on Starbucks lol
@@matthewkobylinski510you are a victim of right wing media. Congrats! Over a million EV’s were sold in the US for the first time. The truth is the rate of the increase in sales has fallen. Mostly because of the higher interest rates lately, but also because the cheaper cars available in other markets aren’t available in the US. The only US EV’s under $30k (Bolt and Leaf) are going out of production for awhile.
You’ll make it. Volvo range estimates are rock solid.
This vehicle was the most accurate I've seen for trip calcs. I like the video style too. I'm very familiar with the places you traveled. Brings back memories. By the way... Uintah - Yoo-in-tah.
This is a great excuse for a road trip! Well done. I would've liked to hear more about each coffee you had at every stop. It is a Starbucks run after all.
Yeah, you will definitely make it with Chris driving.
LOL. Chris was definitely much less speedy. Though he mostly kept it at or 2 MPH above the speed limit (as opposed to my "go with the flow of traffic" or 9 MPH above limit ... And I did talk about the coffee, but it either didn't get transferred properly or Tim edited it out. 😂 Sugar cookie with coconut milk was my favorite!
Jill nice to see you having a better trip with a ev. I still like my ice vehicles though.
Volvo & Starbucks need to put them in Wisconsin. i'm surprised Volvo didn't give you Swedish pancakes, pickled herring, some meatballs. LOL.
Totally agree about Wisconsin. I hear that's a EV charging desert!
Really interesting video! Starbucks seems like an ideal type of place someone would want to hang out for 30 minutes or so to get a charge.
Hermiston, Oregon Starbucks chargers get blocked all the time by gas drivers. Starbucks needs to talk to store management to keep their employees from blocking the chargers and local PD to enforce ICEing laws.
But it’s really hard to prevent a gas truck from parking in front of a charger that says “electric vehicle charging preferred.” They need to change the signs first.
There is an EA station at Space Age Fuels about a mile away from the Starbucks. They have coffee and food too if Starbucks lets people ice the chargers
@@kenmcclow8963 the Space Age travel center EA has been problematic the past two years. EA was completely offline for like two weeks in summer 2022 and was down to just 1-2 chargers in summer 2023 which caused queues of waiting cars.
@@jillciminillo the issue is that they’re blocking the chargers even when all other parking spots are open. PlugShare shows a great photo of exactly this.
@@anthonyc8499 it’s definitely an issue, but what recourse do you have when it’s not stated that only electric vehicles that are charging can park there. You could even get blocked by an electric vehicle who isn’t charging.
Starbucks and bathrooms, ps the headrests are too close.hope you can adjust or turn around .yes you'll make it.
Actually, the headrests were just fine🤷🏻♀️
That seems to be the common consensus of the German and Swedish EVs having better than reported range numbers. TFL did a video on it, of EVs getting better than their EPA ratings, as per Consumer Reports findings.
Go Jill!
My take is that more chargers are always welcome, but a lot of the Starbucks chargers are very close to Electrify America chargers which is only useful if the EA is full, or broken since the EA has 150kW, or 350kW and at least some of the Starbucks are listed at 50kW. I would prefer that they were staggered so there were less miles between them instead of going 130 miles and then both are together. In Hermiston and La Grande they are about a mile apart.
I did that route in my ID.4 using EA because I wasn’t able to use the I-90 route I normally use going to Green Bay and Chicago in my previous Tesla. Tesla has the best routing software bar none. Tesla will tell you how much charge you need to get to the destination with the buffer you are comfortable with before you unplug. And if you encounter a headwind or something that causes an issue, it will tell you to slow down to a speed that you will make it. VW just lets you go along and then says you can’t make it. Both times I did get to the next charger, but it causes stress. Good to see Volvo is putting effort into their routing and making it stress free
Breaking News: Jill puts on 5 pounds from stopping/snacking at Starbucks multiple times a day on road trip. 😆
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Great video, but again Jill’s lead foot makes it hard to get a consistent read on battery efficiency/fuel economy across vehicles tested by your channel. I get that she lives in Chiraq where I was born and 10-15mph over is the norm, but the rest of us live elsewhere and travel 5-7mph over the speed limit. In transportation terms, 10-15 over the posted highway speed is roughly the 85th-90th percentile of driver speeds depending on the location, but that’s unrealistic to expect to do all of the time and certainly mars the efficiency quoted and tested by these manufacturers who provide vehicles for the channel to write about. Set a protocol for your drivers to go no more than a certain speed above the posted speed limit so that your data has more validity and consistency.
The speed limit for most of the drive was 80 mph. I never went more than 85. 🤷🏻♀️
51 percent!
Do the chargers "read" your Volvo when you plug in, or do you have to enter some information in the charger for the charge to start?
It doesn't read. I always swiped my ChargePoint app via my phone first, and then it would tell me to plug in.
Thank you Jill. Much appreciated. Merry Christmas@@jillciminillo
what was the average cost per KW from these chargers?
Between $.43 and $.45 per kilowatt. Though I did see one instance where it looked like it was only $.30.
Hopefully everyone can afford all the Starbucks coffee,that a lot of money every time
If you go with plain coffee or tea, it's not that bad. But the Grande or Venti specialty drinks do get pricey!
Think I'll stick with McDonald's coffee. Cheaper and better tasting in my opinion.
Ory-Gun, not Ory-gone
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also, its pronounced YAK-e-muh, not whatever you said. Its always funny to see folks not from the west coast try to announce native american names.
Maybe if your 80 years old. Jill was pretty dang accurate on how she pronounced it. There is two ways to pronounce Yakima or Yakama. Yak-ih-maw or Yah-kuh-muh for the native pronunciation.
Going to Seattle? I hope you have a firearm........that city is a cesspool.xd
More of a cesspool than Chicago? 🤔
Why would that be Jill its 2 different chargers?
Two different chargers connected to the same circuit.
Would have thought they would have circuit for each as you can hook up 2 per right?
What were the charging times when at the charging stations? Also, 15 charges over 1,400 miles is 93 miles per stop. Why so many?
They were showing off the Starbucks charging setup.
Do we see a pattern though?traveling should be about anxiety and spending money somewhere while you wait for a charge iff one is available and working,this ev thing just doesn’t work Jill unless your in a city
It doesn't always work if you're in a city either. I rent and don't have a home charger. Where EVs work the best is with regular home charging and keep the battery between 20% and 80% charge. But if you need to take a road trip, the infrastructure should be supported on major highways. And, just because you stop at a Starbucks doesn't mean you have to buy a Starbucks -- just like if you stop at a gas station, it doesn't mean you need to go in and buy snacks. 🤷🏻♀
I just can’t see anyone stopping to charge outside of Starbucks and not going in
You would be right in thinking Jill that I’m not a proponent of full ev,i do believe in hybrids though especially non plug in,i think its the answer,Toyota engineers did do some research and gave numbers on why it should be 90%hybrid and 10%ice ;i just don’t ever see the infrastructure being enough and the distances need to increase substantially closer to the new ram,but who can afford that.only about 17% of people can afford a new vehicle and paying for something and affording it are 2 very different things.anyway you and Tim do great work and enjoy watching your informative channel,keep it up
Unit economics on 2 charging stalls is terrible. They need to cut bait and just partner with Tesla.
They have, but a multiplicity of options that hits people where they are is a good double down
EVs blow
509 miles is one stop for me. 4 or 5 makes the day long.
That it does. But if you're road tripping, stopping is part of the point. I drive 200 miles to my parents' and I'm ready to get out and stomp around ... and pee ... by the time I get there. That's about my max for being in car without stopping.
Disappointed that this was a typical EV road trip by someone who does not know how to road trip an EV. This was obviously designed to just show off as many Starbucks stopping points as possible. Everyone complaining about how much faster their ice vehicle would be needs to realize That those of us that road trip EV‘s can do a 600 mile road trip in an EV designed for road trips and only take about a half an hour or 45 minutes longer than the typical ice vehicle if both vehicles are driving the speed limit And you make regular stops for bathroom stops and eating.
Your green city friends would prefer this video better than your last one. I can confirm the cold range and GOM (guess o meter) calibration sucks on the F150 lightning. Your city friends would not like a review of one of those in the cold and road trip. Bad things are not allowed to be said about EVs don't you know, they are going to save the world right?
cold range will cause all EV's to drop dramatically.. and 32 degrees is far from cold.. just wait until temps drop into the teens. Tesla is the best for this, and by far. Most EV's, outside of Tesla, will drop close to 40% in range with typical winter temps
I believe I've done a review of the F-150 Lightning in the winter, and you're right, it kinda sucks. But I strongly believe the infrastructure is the problem, not the EV range. If you knew you could "fuel up" every 30 miles along a highway (like gas vehicles), it would be NBD. But when you have to drive 130 miles or more to charge, it's not great. And when you have a vehicle that can't accurately gauge the temperature and give you real range, it's worse.
@@jillciminillo Thanks for the reply Jill. Yes looking forward to being on Tesla's network in 2024 via adapter. Maybe in the meantime I'll stay on my small island province and charge at home. Unless I feel like torturing myself. In the Maritimes in Canada we have very little charging infrastructure actually (and PEI has the least of said Maritimes). Yup it's a problem. I'll check out the cold weather lightning video again.
@@Huskerfan69 Yes it has seen the teens. Which is 50 % drop. Tesla uses heat pump for both the cab, which is small and the battery. But it's also a car not fit for an actual winter, or harsh winter driving. I'd rather drive a capable vehicle and put up with resistant heat range (plus it resists salt corrosion). The Tesla snots are really annoying actually. If we want actual EV adoption the attitude needs to change.
@@peiguy1982 EV adoption is a silly notion, though, we can never have an EV adoption. We don't have enough power, and they are not allowing new power plants to be built. Wind and Solar will NEVER ever be reliable enough. Just look at what is happening in CA.. people being asked to not charge their EV's because of power issues.. Anyway, I have zero issues with EV's, except the range.. EV's are a great idea, but the supposed need is a scam from end to end.
Volvo range is horrible, just wait until it gets colder out. I live in the midwest, and during winter the range drops to under 200 miles. pathetic
The average person drives 50 miles a day and charges at home.
A lot of our drive was at 32°, with snow or rain, and while the range on this vehicle is 297 miles, with cold temperatures and snow tires, it was cut down to 235 or so miles. However, because the range estimator in the infotainment system is so good, we never had range anxiety. We always knew what percentage of charge we’d have upon arrival, and it was usually spot on.
@@jillciminillo doing ev journalism in this past decade and the decade going forward is an absolute slog of debunking old criticism.
Much appreciated your guys efforts in trying to educate the dogmatically skeptical public.
@@jillciminillo right, knowing how far isn 't the problem. The overall range is the problem.. Now consider when temps get colder, range will drop dramatically.. of course that isn't just a Volvo thing, all EV's drop in range and most, outside of Tesla, will drop close to 40% in range. Trying to sell people on summer range, which is crap to begin with, is a scam. Not saying you are, but dealers are.
@@Huskerfan69 even Tesla drops range in the winter. You’re right, that’s just a fact of ownership. But imagine if there is an EV charging station every 60 to 100 miles on the highway, it wouldn’t matter. I did a video a couple weeks ago about this issue. It’s the infrastructure that’s the problem, not the EVs.
@jillciminillo Where did you get that guidebook? I would love to get my hands on one.
Jill, can you add up your Starbucks and give us the total since that is part of the cost of driving an EV. Thanks
My 3.0 Duramax will get 600 miles/tank every time and takes me 5 minutes to fill up. EV fails again. Completely worthless.
This is a huge advantage ICE cars have over EV’s. And if this is your usage then EV’s are going to be more difficult to make work.
I only drive more than 500 miles a couple of times a year. We’ll keep the OH’s Diesel CX-5 for that. The vast majority of my drives are less than 100 miles. So I will not be accessing public chargers for the majority of my charging needs. Hence I’m seriously looking at an EV for my next car. Charging infrastructure does appear to be a little better this side of the pond though. If it was an only car it would be much harder to make work.
But Volvo drivers stop at Starbucks and Target anyways so 2 🐦 1 🪨
I have to agree ,Toyota engineers figured out that 90%hybrid 10%ice is the answer,i have a 4xe but having the engine charge the battery is the way to go
EVs definitely don't make sense for everyone. But as a commuter car, yes? And once the infrastructure fills in, it can also be an occasional road trip car. But if you need to do regular 500-mile (or even 200-mile) drives, not so much.
And can you be ticketed for parking & charging in handicap ♿️ spot ? I've seen 2 of those being used & only 2/3 through this video