She absolutely is getting off WAY to easy because of both her gender and her age. South Park did an amazing episode in which they highlighted this double standard. Kyle goes to police to report that a female kindergarten teacher is having sex with his little brother. At first, the police assume it's a female student and a male teacher, so they respond with shock, horror and urgency. But as soon as Kyle clarifies it's the other way around, the demeanor of the police immediately changes to "Nice 😎"
I wouldn't even call it a sentence. 20 years minimum should be an automatic sentence for csa offenders. Women get off scot free for these crimes. Also men who write comments like 'wish my teacher had...' are sick in the head.
I agree with all your points. 😊Completely aside, as someone in my 40s working in the MH field I find adolescents the scariest group to work with! One word, one misstep, can cause a life time of unintended harm. Despite having older kids of my own I still seek out a lot of supervision for that reason alone. 🇳🇿
32:00 if she was interviewed by the employer after the complaint, I’d bet she would’ve lied and played down the complaint. Hypothetically saying things like “ he’s troubled, he lies for attention, he’s just trying to act out, I would never do something like that, the mother is being difficult”, so they leave her in the job.
I think the sentence is too low. Sex crimes and crimes against children should be harsher. In my state I have seen people sentenced more harshly for possessing weed than a 19 year old guy SAing a 13 year old girl. He didn’t even have to register as an SO.
This is such a frustrating case. I don’t understand why the sentence is so light. Is it because recidivism rates among female 33:49 does her having a child mitigate anything? What about her child’s safety and the safety of her child’s friends? She has no record because she’s never been caught before now. There’s nothing sincere about this lady imo. I’m disgusted by the leniency given to child predators. It really shows how our justice system protects offenders first, victims/survivors second. This is why people don’t come forward to report.
I think the prosecutor made a good point that maybe her being a white young woman might have led to some leniency that wouldn't have been shown to a middled aged man. No clue how things might proceed with her family at this point
Cc'ing parents when workin with under 18 year olds clients is a grey area. On 1 hand, in Colorado, if you are 12 or older, parental consent is not required. What if the parent is the problem and doesn't know their child is getting treatment. That could breach confidentiality. On the other hand, getting parents involved could help strengthen the child's attachment. (No wonder they stress erhics so much in school😅)
Yep specifically 42CFR if I remember correctly, youth don't need parental consent to seek substance abuse treatment. Within my context, all of my clients are there because their parents are bringing them, not that they seek counseling independent of their parents. I should have clarified that, because it's not true in every context
Not a legal expert, but from watching a lot of true crime I have seen that you don't actually have to provide all the bond money yourself. It's kind of like taking a loan, so you can put down say 10 or 20% and then someone has to vouch for you with an asset, like a house, or you use a bail bondsman. If you don't jump bail then there is no issue. There was a great movie, years ago, called Winter's Bone where these kids were about to lose their home because the dad skipped his court hearing thereby negating his bond. He put up the worth of their farm as his collateral. Unfortunately he had been murdered & hidden, so they were about to lose their home unless they could prove that he was killed and produce a body. Jennifer Lawrence's breakout film.
@@Therapy2Day Right, that's the purpose of a bail bondsman, which is kind of a genius idea -- like using a credit card. So if you can't pay the bond all at once, someone pays for you with interest. If you CAN pay the bond yourself, you get it back when all court appearances have concluded.
@@Therapy2Day Also, if someone is unalived with b loo d she'd in your home, you have to clean it yourself or pay (a lot) to have crime scene cleaners do it for you. I always thought that would be provided by the city/state. Imagine having to walk back into your home and clean your loved ones remains from your floor and furniture. That should count as a crime in itself.😢
I am horrified by this woman’s crime. I feel that her registering as a sex offender is fair. Her prison term was a little light. I hope that this woman recognizes what she did was wrong and makes changes. I believe with all my heart that all people are capable of change, even sex offenders. I hope that this woman makes the choice to change and accepts her punishment for her crimes and never offends again.
My logical brain knows I'm probably being unfair, but I have absolutely less than zero trust in social workers. In my experience, they are manipulative and controlling with little to no respect for the boundaries of others. Case in point, a social worker asked me for the name and contact details of a lawyer that I had hired. I told her no, I was not going to do that, as it was my personal affairs and none of her business. She responded by trying to be sneaky about it and asking me what state the lawyer was in. I told her absolutely not because I knew she was probably going to, in the words of another social worker I had encountered "play detective."
Yes absolutely I can get why you'd have problems with social workers based on that experience. There are times when they have to cross normal social boundaries (when abuse or neglect might be a concern), but also keeping in mind that there are some social workers who are bachelor's level, and some who are master's level (Payton Shires was a master's level LCSW I assume) who should have more training in ethics and specifically clinical work.
God I hope this child's family rakes her across the coals financially in civil court. Because the criminal courts did not. I wonder if because they did not press for sexual assault the child could come forward years later when they are ready?
You get a bond company who puts up the $50,000 and you pay bond company 10%--family etc can also put up house etc--if person doesn’t show bond company gets car,house or what was put up or go take person into custody to get their $ back and person is incarcerated until the case is resolved
No wonder Kitty was done with the video. Four years is obnoxiously lenient. She took something from that boy that he didn’t even know he had. She’s broken beyond repair and should not be allowed to live freely out in the world.
A $50000 bond, usually as a $5000 in cash.And then the other forty five is put up by the bonding agency. The bond and agency usually gets to keep that five thousand but they're out the whole fifty if you don't show up. They then use bounty hunters to make sure someone shows up and they're not ot the money
It depends on the type of bond they issued. It could be a 10% bond so $5,000 or she could use a bond company and pay them the 10% and they pay the rest with the promise to return to any court hearings.
Ugh i’m so disgusted by her crimes and i literally cannot wrap my head around how she could have done something so heinous. Unbelievable that she might have gotten a lesser sentence because she has a child of her own. She should NEVER have access to children ever again, especially her own child! I’m not really sure how sentencing works and I know men often get shockingly low sentences for SA as well, but from the way the judge was talking to her I think patriarchy played a role in her short sentence. The patriarchal model doesn’t permit a boy to be a victim of sexual abuse and a woman to be a sexual predator - it doesn’t fit into the narrow gender roles properly. So instead you’ll have people downplaying the child’s victimization, even potentially congratulating him and treating his abuse as some kind of “win” that makes him more of a man. Meanwhile the judge will be paternalistic toward the child rapist because he can’t conceive of a pretty young woman being a sexual predator. Men are supposed to be the ones who seek out sex, sometimes going as far as to commit rape. Women don’t seek out sex - they’re supposed to be the prize for men who play the game well. How could the prize become the predator? It must have just been a mistake, just a brief moment of insanity. So she can be released without any concern of her continuing to abuse children.
How long does it take to process a relationship loss, loss of her own child, career loss, financial loss, strained/loss of familial bonds, prison, loss of societal status, accepting being labelled a chomo and r@pist, acceptance of how registering as a sex offender will impact her life, acceptance of her actions are that of a child r@pist, processing suicidal ideation, AND subsequently implementing healthy … whatever the opposite of what she has going on is… yeah I don’t think that takes a few months.
@@thatsaniceboulder1483 that's true. I've also seen cases where not all loss hits at the same time, and so we can take a more flexible approach in working on what is most impactful at the moment
Hi Therapy2Day, it is interesting that you kept it professional here: no intimate sex details, none abt the gun at the door. I am beginning to understand what courtroom theater is. Not you, but it is used by a lot of videos to get viewer attention.
@@Therapy2Day Thanks, Isaiah. Another show made me aware of the courtroom theater in the recent hearing of the SS director. And you stayed professional and did not use it. The boy may have been seductive, but, as the expert said, there is no consensual sex with a minor. I was bothered a little as a minor, but I did not think males were protected like females. I was a little molested by males, both minor and adult. Not full sex. I am kind of a heshe and let myself enjoy the experiences, not telling anyone in authority since I was a minor. It would be interesting if you could explore why she would take such chances when the rest of us would not. Even if the boy was seductive, she must not accept his advances. Her pictures seem to indicate a nice person. She messed up her career from the start.
not sure about the state she's in, but if you're a registered sex offender in my state, you can automatically be denied your license by the state licensing board. i'm not an mft but CAMFT lists people who lose their license and the reason. sex with a client is VERY common, as is DUI. not sure if all of them are working with children, but it's really wild how many MH professionals use their authority and power for horrible things. im a therapist and it makes me shake my head...giving us a bad name
I’m curious if there are psychological tests that could see if someone has a propensity to sexual deviant behavior? I know if you apply to a police department or try to join the military they make you take tests
There might be, and some personality tests do have screener questions to try to assess if you're being dishonest as well, but I can't imagine there's enough money for those kinds of intensive tests to be part of an application process
@Therapy2Day Isn't psychological assessment part of the masters level courses? Like don't you all have courses that require journaling and "practicing" various modalities with class mates? I had an LCSW counselor who talked about how some of her courses wrung some deep emotional stuff out of her when she was in school.
@@miscellaniac3367 yes we have classes in diagnosing and intake interviews, but in terms of administering and interpreting a standard personality instrument/inventory, generally there's some more specific training for that
What do you think of her sentence?
She absolutely is getting off WAY to easy because of both her gender and her age. South Park did an amazing episode in which they highlighted this double standard. Kyle goes to police to report that a female kindergarten teacher is having sex with his little brother. At first, the police assume it's a female student and a male teacher, so they respond with shock, horror and urgency. But as soon as Kyle clarifies it's the other way around, the demeanor of the police immediately changes to "Nice 😎"
I wouldn't even call it a sentence. 20 years minimum should be an automatic sentence for csa offenders. Women get off scot free for these crimes. Also men who write comments like 'wish my teacher had...' are sick in the head.
pretty privilege
Sounds like she wasn’t even in the job long before she attacked.
It’s disgusting that a young and pretty female sexual offender usually receives a much lighter sentence than a male who commits the same crime.
She is someone who shouldn’t be allowed to work with children. Sad. 😢
Unfortunately, too, in a time when a lot of families are looking for therapy, she wasn't able to take on that responsibility
As a therapist I see myself as a truck driver taling a precious package to a better place. No eating from the cookie box.
I agree with all your points. 😊Completely aside, as someone in my 40s working in the MH field I find adolescents the scariest group to work with! One word, one misstep, can cause a life time of unintended harm. Despite having older kids of my own I still seek out a lot of supervision for that reason alone. 🇳🇿
I get the caution that comes with working with teens. You're right, being a parent of kids that age does not automatically make anyone an expert
Very smart of you to keep the parents included. Safety first for you!
Thanks, it's just a precaution that makes sense, especially in light of situations like this
I can't imagine the grief the mother is feeling. My son's 11, and I can't even fathom being in this situation. What a heartbreaking violation. 😢
It's a terrible situation with so many levels of trust broken
32:00 if she was interviewed by the employer after the complaint, I’d bet she would’ve lied and played down the complaint. Hypothetically saying things like “ he’s troubled, he lies for attention, he’s just trying to act out, I would never do something like that, the mother is being difficult”, so they leave her in the job.
I think the sentence is too low. Sex crimes and crimes against children should be harsher. In my state I have seen people sentenced more harshly for possessing weed than a 19 year old guy SAing a 13 year old girl. He didn’t even have to register as an SO.
O wow that's really hard to believe!
@@Therapy2Day I worked in the Courts so I saw a lot of things that didn’t seem right.
@@Chewy_and_rascal I'm sure
You must be a good therapist and person
What a chilled out cat you have.
love from Rotterdam nl
Thank you, he's pretty chill if you catch him at the right time
@@Therapy2Day lol
Definetly getting a lower sentence because of her gender
PS Kitty is adorbs
I'll let him know 😺
Im interested in when she became pregnant in relation to her sentence. I wonder if she became pregnant to get a more lenient sentence?
Usually it's 10% of the bond.
Thanks!
This is such a frustrating case. I don’t understand why the sentence is so light. Is it because recidivism rates among female 33:49 does her having a child mitigate anything? What about her child’s safety and the safety of her child’s friends? She has no record because she’s never been caught before now. There’s nothing sincere about this lady imo. I’m disgusted by the leniency given to child predators. It really shows how our justice system protects offenders first, victims/survivors second. This is why people don’t come forward to report.
I think the prosecutor made a good point that maybe her being a white young woman might have led to some leniency that wouldn't have been shown to a middled aged man. No clue how things might proceed with her family at this point
Cc'ing parents when workin with under 18 year olds clients is a grey area. On 1 hand, in Colorado, if you are 12 or older, parental consent is not required. What if the parent is the problem and doesn't know their child is getting treatment. That could breach confidentiality. On the other hand, getting parents involved could help strengthen the child's attachment. (No wonder they stress erhics so much in school😅)
Yep specifically 42CFR if I remember correctly, youth don't need parental consent to seek substance abuse treatment. Within my context, all of my clients are there because their parents are bringing them, not that they seek counseling independent of their parents. I should have clarified that, because it's not true in every context
Just coming in to say something similar about CO.
Not a legal expert, but from watching a lot of true crime I have seen that you don't actually have to provide all the bond money yourself. It's kind of like taking a loan, so you can put down say 10 or 20% and then someone has to vouch for you with an asset, like a house, or you use a bail bondsman. If you don't jump bail then there is no issue. There was a great movie, years ago, called Winter's Bone where these kids were about to lose their home because the dad skipped his court hearing thereby negating his bond. He put up the worth of their farm as his collateral. Unfortunately he had been murdered & hidden, so they were about to lose their home unless they could prove that he was killed and produce a body. Jennifer Lawrence's breakout film.
Oh didn't realize it could be like a loan. That makes more sense
@@Therapy2Day Right, that's the purpose of a bail bondsman, which is kind of a genius idea -- like using a credit card. So if you can't pay the bond all at once, someone pays for you with interest. If you CAN pay the bond yourself, you get it back when all court appearances have concluded.
@@TrueCrimeDoula wow there's a lot of money to be made off of other's crimes huh
@@Therapy2Day Also, if someone is unalived with b loo d she'd in your home, you have to clean it yourself or pay (a lot) to have crime scene cleaners do it for you. I always thought that would be provided by the city/state. Imagine having to walk back into your home and clean your loved ones remains from your floor and furniture. That should count as a crime in itself.😢
I am horrified by this woman’s crime. I feel that her registering as a sex offender is fair. Her prison term was a little light. I hope that this woman recognizes what she did was wrong and makes changes.
I believe with all my heart that all people are capable of change, even sex offenders. I hope that this woman makes the choice to change and accepts her punishment for her crimes and never offends again.
She can even keep her door plaque calling her a therapist, she just has to make one cut.
My logical brain knows I'm probably being unfair, but I have absolutely less than zero trust in social workers. In my experience, they are manipulative and controlling with little to no respect for the boundaries of others. Case in point, a social worker asked me for the name and contact details of a lawyer that I had hired. I told her no, I was not going to do that, as it was my personal affairs and none of her business. She responded by trying to be sneaky about it and asking me what state the lawyer was in. I told her absolutely not because I knew she was probably going to, in the words of another social worker I had encountered "play detective."
Yes absolutely I can get why you'd have problems with social workers based on that experience. There are times when they have to cross normal social boundaries (when abuse or neglect might be a concern), but also keeping in mind that there are some social workers who are bachelor's level, and some who are master's level (Payton Shires was a master's level LCSW I assume) who should have more training in ethics and specifically clinical work.
God I hope this child's family rakes her across the coals financially in civil court. Because the criminal courts did not. I wonder if because they did not press for sexual assault the child could come forward years later when they are ready?
How did she get the 3,000 hours to be an LCSW at 24? An LMSW? Sure, that's technically possible with a BSW but a full LCSW?
@@kimandmiked it would be some kind of sprint for sure
You get a bond company who puts up the $50,000 and you pay bond company 10%--family etc can also put up house etc--if person doesn’t show bond company gets car,house or what was put up or go take person into custody to get their $ back and person is incarcerated until the case is resolved
No wonder Kitty was done with the video. Four years is obnoxiously lenient. She took something from that boy that he didn’t even know he had. She’s broken beyond repair and should not be allowed to live freely out in the world.
A $50000 bond, usually as a $5000 in cash.And then the other forty five is put up by the bonding agency. The bond and agency usually gets to keep that five thousand but they're out the whole fifty if you don't show up. They then use bounty hunters to make sure someone shows up and they're not ot the money
Yikes
It depends on the type of bond they issued. It could be a 10% bond so $5,000 or she could use a bond company and pay them the 10% and they pay the rest with the promise to return to any court hearings.
@@creativitybytrisha6819 well I suppose given what she did with her bond, that's all forfeit anyway
Ugh i’m so disgusted by her crimes and i literally cannot wrap my head around how she could have done something so heinous. Unbelievable that she might have gotten a lesser sentence because she has a child of her own. She should NEVER have access to children ever again, especially her own child!
I’m not really sure how sentencing works and I know men often get shockingly low sentences for SA as well, but from the way the judge was talking to her I think patriarchy played a role in her short sentence. The patriarchal model doesn’t permit a boy to be a victim of sexual abuse and a woman to be a sexual predator - it doesn’t fit into the narrow gender roles properly.
So instead you’ll have people downplaying the child’s victimization, even potentially congratulating him and treating his abuse as some kind of “win” that makes him more of a man.
Meanwhile the judge will be paternalistic toward the child rapist because he can’t conceive of a pretty young woman being a sexual predator. Men are supposed to be the ones who seek out sex, sometimes going as far as to commit rape. Women don’t seek out sex - they’re supposed to be the prize for men who play the game well. How could the prize become the predator? It must have just been a mistake, just a brief moment of insanity. So she can be released without any concern of her continuing to abuse children.
How long does it take to process a relationship loss, loss of her own child, career loss, financial loss, strained/loss of familial bonds, prison, loss of societal status, accepting being labelled a chomo and r@pist, acceptance of how registering as a sex offender will impact her life, acceptance of her actions are that of a child r@pist, processing suicidal ideation, AND subsequently implementing healthy … whatever the opposite of what she has going on is… yeah I don’t think that takes a few months.
@@thatsaniceboulder1483 that's true. I've also seen cases where not all loss hits at the same time, and so we can take a more flexible approach in working on what is most impactful at the moment
Cat is trying to get off your lap.
I was well aware! 😂
@@Therapy2Day 🤣😅
Hi Therapy2Day, it is interesting that you kept it professional here: no intimate sex details, none abt the gun at the door. I am beginning to understand what courtroom theater is. Not you, but it is used by a lot of videos to get viewer attention.
Absolutely, I'm not trying to get clicks just off of shock value. This is more about education about mental health and therapy
@@Therapy2Day Thanks, Isaiah. Another show made me aware of the courtroom theater in the recent hearing of the SS director. And you stayed professional and did not use it. The boy may have been seductive, but, as the expert said, there is no consensual sex with a minor. I was bothered a little as a minor, but I did not think males were protected like females. I was a little molested by males, both minor and adult. Not full sex. I am kind of a heshe and let myself enjoy the experiences, not telling anyone in authority since I was a minor. It would be interesting if you could explore why she would take such chances when the rest of us would not. Even if the boy was seductive, she must not accept his advances. Her pictures seem to indicate a nice person. She messed up her career from the start.
Yes please keep the details out.
Hello Kitty💕💕💕💕
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Perhaps she can work for BetterHelp…LOL! JK.
Lol that's an interesting idea. I guess there's still potential for abuse even through telehealth though
@@Therapy2Day you are right she can still text him. It would be a very strange relationship though.
not sure about the state she's in, but if you're a registered sex offender in my state, you can automatically be denied your license by the state licensing board. i'm not an mft but CAMFT lists people who lose their license and the reason. sex with a client is VERY common, as is DUI. not sure if all of them are working with children, but it's really wild how many MH professionals use their authority and power for horrible things. im a therapist and it makes me shake my head...giving us a bad name
I DM’d you on insta about this. I went to school with this person and when I say I am not surprised at all, I mean it.
I’m curious if there are psychological tests that could see if someone has a propensity to sexual deviant behavior? I know if you apply to a police department or try to join the military they make you take tests
There might be, and some personality tests do have screener questions to try to assess if you're being dishonest as well, but I can't imagine there's enough money for those kinds of intensive tests to be part of an application process
@Therapy2Day Isn't psychological assessment part of the masters level courses? Like don't you all have courses that require journaling and "practicing" various modalities with class mates? I had an LCSW counselor who talked about how some of her courses wrung some deep emotional stuff out of her when she was in school.
@@miscellaniac3367 yes we have classes in diagnosing and intake interviews, but in terms of administering and interpreting a standard personality instrument/inventory, generally there's some more specific training for that