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Using psychological torture to obtain a false confession? Seems far too common ... Richard Allen, etc. Officers and Prosecutors have way too much power that is not checked.
@@virtue_signal_ I don't know anythign about that case, but, yes, not every single confession is false when obtained by torture. My point is that use of torture is far too common and psychological mannipulation is ripe for abuse by those with unchecked power.
@@virtue_signal_ Well, the world's leading expert on false confessions, Prof. Saul Kassin, disagrees with you. He believes it was a coerced, false confession. He has appeared with her in public stating so. If you think it wasn't false, then you must believe that she took Patrick Lumumba to the cottage where he assaulted and murdered Meredith. Because that's what the signed 'confession' says. "foxy Nazi" How childish.
I love Amanda Knox. Instead of hiding away, she took the absolute worst thing that could ever happen to a person and she used it for good. She’s such an empowered person, even as she continues to be attacked, she holds her head high and shows that we can all overcome the worst adversity. What happened to her shows that even western countries can be very backward and full of anti American sentiment (which I think played a huge role in why she was demonized and blamed.) She’s my personal idol and I have been using her show of strength to give me strength against adversity.
@@thehotcoffeehouse6081Anyone who has done even a cursory study of this case wouldn’t say that. Only someone who has read one paragraph of a people magazine article from 2008 would ever think this. It’s so clear cut that she wasn’t even near the scene of the crime when it occurred that it’s only due to anti American sentiment, and probably misogyny in a deeply religious culture that can’t imagine women being sexual beings, that convicted her solely on the basis of not understanding her, and being deeply deeply rooted in superstition and ignorance.
@@isabelpark7650 she don’t want to be left alone, she want to be in the lime light! Selling books, being seen, makung videos in TH-cam and so on! Read her book and count how many Times she mentions Merediths NAME!! It’s just all about Amandas suffering, she cries about herself and her suffering! What about Merediths parents and sister and brother??? Read Amandas book and if you are old enough you will see how egocentric she is!!!! See ALL interviews with her and you’ll understand how much she suffered over HERSELF!!
@@rainbowwarrier1469 What a load if nonsense. Because you think she is guilty, you think she has no right to speak about the case in her effort to educate people on why and how miscarriages of justice and false confessions happen. Everything she says or does you see through guilt-colored glasses. She not selling bookS. She wrote ONE book almost 12 years ago. I do have her book, both hardcopy and digital, which I highly doubt you've read despite all your pearl clutching over how many times she mentions Meredith's name. Which, by the way, is about 500 times according to the search in my digital copy. She also talks about the Kercher family and what they went through quite a bit which you'd never if you'd ever actually read the book. Which you haven't. She DID suffer and has for the last 17 years due to an inept police investigation, 4 years in prison, an ongoing slander conviction, and morons who don't know the case but think they do spouting shit like you do.
@@Richard_Albrecht Would you like to explain just how Amanda and Raffaele engaged in a "debaucherous three-way sex" game yet left ZERO forensic evidence in Meredith's bedroom? Can you explain that and then explain why only one person, Rudy Guede, left his DNA in Meredith's vagina, on her bra strap, on the cuff of her jacket, in her blood on her purse, his bloody shoeprints under and around her body, and his bloody handprint under her body? You might want to learn something about the case before commenting on it.
This case always facinated me. You saw identity play out on an international level with most of the Europeans thinking she was guilty and most Americans defending Amanda.
Anti American propaganda I never knew how much the rest of the world hated Americans until I saw this case play out. She was tried in the court of public opinion simply for being and behaving like an American woman.
Tons of Americans who didn’t look too much into the case convicted her in the court of public opinion. British people were just out for blood. And the Italians let their backwards superstitious legal system dictate how she was handled.
@@dominikabanel340 You post stupid comments like this everywhere. Yet when repeatedly asked to discuss the actual evidence, you NEVER do. All you do is go around posting nasty little retorts. Why? Because you CAN'T discuss the evidence because you don't know it.
It's a good thing that Amanda Know was blessed with a good mind, a supportive and loving family, and an inner resilience that she was able to strengthen during the long, dark night of her original ordeal. Applause to her for continuing to stand against injustice, and to educate others on all these related issues. It takes a certain type of person to stand in that space that draws so much public attention, and she has done it with amazing grace and perseverance. She also brings masterfully articulate communication skills to these discussions, and to her writing. Bravo, brave woman. May you be surrounded by The Light as you march forward in your journey. 🌟🙏💞
@@dominikabanel340 What the hell are you blathering on about now? Knox went to Modena in northern Italy in 2019 to speak at the Criminal Justice Festival, "Trial by Media", where she received a standing ovation. She was in Italy with her family in 2022 but there is no evidence she went to Perugia. She was also in Florence for the latest slander trial in June. Per your usual, you just spout ignorant crap.
@@dominikabanel340 Pure your usual response, rather than admit you just make shit up all over the internet on this case and are repeatedly proved wrong, you come back with yet another a stupid retort.
AK wanted to experience Italy and she did. The fact is the Italian justice system is extremely corrupt , in fact the mafia still exists and permeates the law and justice system.
What an age old claim ."govt is corrupt" That's literally the entire point of the gospel. The concept of violent mortal govt is the corruption of the soul
This story shines a light on the inherant curruption of the criminal justice system, where everyone in power has perverse incentives to subverst justice for their own gain.
That's a silly reason never to visit a beautiful country. You do realize every country has wrongful convictions. And the US has more than their fair share.
@@mytrip6991 It’s true that every country has wrongful convictions. And I have visited China! (Not Iran or North Korea, though.) However, Amanda Knox’s prosecution was especially absurd. Her “confession” was obviously coerced, and the prosecutor’s theory of the crime was obviously absurd (not to mention an expression of his own perverse sexual fantasies). And yet a panel of judges looked at the evidence and said, “Sounds like proof to us!” I can deal with sociopathic governments, but I’m more afraid of the crazy ones.
@@ehanneken What you say about the confession and the prosecution is true. However, remember that the Hellmann court annulled the first conviction. When Hellmann was annulled and the Nencini court convicted them again, the Supreme Court definitively acquitted them so eventually justice was done. I will say that it is much easier for a convicted person to get an appeal than it is in the US. Neither the US nor the Italian system is perfect and they both have their strengths and weaknesses. But to not visit italy on the basis of this one case is an overreaction, imo. It's a gorgeous country and you'd be missing out on something wonderful. '
@@dominikabanel340 "so you are saying so want to commit a crime in Italy, and you are scared that they wil find out" Yet another really stupid comment from you. Stop embarrassing yourself.
Her trial was nothing like Simpson's. The prosecutor reasoned that the fact that her fingerprints weren't there proved that she had wiped them off. She was beaten into a confession. When that turned out to be false, she was prosecuted for making a false statement under duress! I think the prosecutor just disliked her.
@sanjivjhangiani3243 yeah I've studied this up and down. I know I'm not a prosecutor but I'm not convinced that she is innocent. 1 red flag was that she tried to blame an innocent man. Just my opinion of course.
@@virtue_signal_ are you dishonest, or just straight up dumb?? SHE EXPLAINED WHY SHE BLAMED HER BOSS, IN DETAIL, IN THIS PODCAST EPISODE. I know a LOT of people seem to struggle with this concept for some godforsaken reason, but FALSE/COERCED CONFESSIONS ARE A REAL THING. I don't know why so many people have to literally experience it firsthand before they'll acknowledge that it does happen?? Why?? Why can't you comprehend that a traumatic experience (the rape and murder of your friend/roommate) + the shock of unexpectedly being arrested for a heinous crime that you KNOW you didn't commit + being subjected to hours upon hours of coercion, mind games, manipulation, lies, false promises, threats, screaming, accusations, and worse + not even being allowed to use the bathroom, have something to drink, sleep, or call an attorney, could MAYBE, just MAYBE = a false confession. I mean jfc how are people this obtuse??
We need to teach our children to never confess to something we didn’t do, and never bear false witness against another, and that these kinds of things happen and to think about it before it happens. I say this not to blame the victim, but part of what made it hard for her to resist their interrogation is that she probably never fathomed anything like that happening and so was utterly unprepared for it, as most people would be. I teach this to my son- I will never confess to anything I didn’t do, with the only possible exception being that I’m tortured so bad I can’t take the pain anymore, or if some is going to kill someone I love. Bad police will threaten and coerce, and tell you that things will be easier for you if you confess, but once you confess you’re cooked.
I recommend Duped by false confession researcher Saul Kassan. This is not just a matter of will power. It is a matter of losing your grip on reality to powerful interrogation techniques. I would also teach your son to call a lawyer before any facing any questioning alone.
She loses me when she says the criminals aren’t reflecting on their crimes and they just feel victimized. Sorry but that’s a choice. At some point they need to take responsibility. People who can’t exist safely and reasonably in society need a “time out” whether that’s for rehab or simply for punishment. If they don’t use it that way, that’s their poor attitude. Even if they themselves were once victims.
Billy really throws a wrench into the works when your weekly listening & drinking game hinges on how many times the interviewee is cut off mid sentence. Bring back Gillespie and Make Drinking Games Fun Again! And give Billy his own show!
I will never be comfortable with Knox - in this interview she uses the term "tragedy" to describe both her own misfortunes and Kercher's murder in the same sentence. That doesn't strike me as quite right.
Why? What happened to Meredith, Amanda, and Raffaele ARE tragedies. She spent 4 years in prison for a crime she didn't commit and is still to this day, 17 years later, being called a murderer, psycho/sociopath, narcissist, slut, etc.
@@mytrip6991 absolutely 100%. Amanda has every right to call her then circumstances her own tragedy, it always astonishes me how people fail to aknowledge that.
@@andreah.8470 Because they wrongly think there can only be one victim in this case. For some reason, if they acknowledge Amanda and Raffaele are also victims then they think it minimizes what happened to Meredith.
@@mytrip6991 Everything with her is me me me. Out of respect for the victim Meredith Kercher, Knox should not be making a career out of this. And to say they were friends is not exactly the whole truth is it.... I realise that some ppl do not come across well, but if you are like that, best keep quiet. Yet here she is over a decade later. She knows Kercher's family does not like this yet still she does it. There's almost something taunting going on imo. This is all my opinion.
@@smartiepancakeDo you think she is guilty of murder? If so, then your opinion is definitely influenced by that. Why do you think they weren't friends? No one testified that they were not. Even Patrick Lumumba testified they were.
@@dominikabanel340 Knox-Robinson are standing fast devoting time to other falsely convicted criminals via The Innocence Project rather than writing ignorant irrational comments on You Tube
How can you know for positively sure that she DID do it? That is the more the relevant question. The facts that no evidence places her in Kercher's bedroom while multiple pieces of evidence place Rudy Guede there, that no motive could be established, that no reliable witnesses could place her at the cottage that night and that no evidence can even place her in the cottage at all the night of the murder are all reasons sh was found not guilty.
Do a thorough deep dive in the case. There was literally unflushed feces in the toilet found that when dna tested was connected to a dude who had a criminal record. So what makes more sense the dude who already has a criminal record breaking into the house the night of the murder taking a crap in the toilet and not flushing it being the killer or some random 17 year year-old girl doing it with her boyfriend? Just alone absolutely would provide reasonable doubt.
@@pnwpovsurfer_ A couple corrections: 1.Amanda was 20, not 17, 2.Guede did not have a criminal record as he'd never been convicted of any crime. However, he had been caught by the police with stolen items from a law office break-in, but the Milan prosecutor did not press charges and he was released. Additionally, after Guede's arrest, Christian Tramontano came forward and said he recognized him as the man who had broken into his home. When Tramontano confronted him, Guede threatened him with a knife and escaped with his credit cards and some money. 3. Not only was his feces found in the toilet, but multiple pieces of forensic evidence also placed him in Kercher's bedroom at the time of the murder while none placed Knox there.
@@eurovicino3513 Exactly. No evidence places either of them outside Raffaele's apartment that night. Of course, the prosecution claimed Amanda's own "confession" places her at the cottage but she retracted that in writing shortly after the "confession". They also claim Raffaele places her out of his apartment, but when that statement is compared to Jovana Popovic's court testimony, it's proven that his confused timeline of events was not supported by Jovana's eyewitness testimony. In fact, it correlates more to Amanda and his actions on the night before the murder. As Raffaele said, he also was coerced into making statements that weren't true during his interrogation.
So many videos where you can see that the police know they don't have a good case and that the charges will be dismissed, but they can punish people anyway by handcuffing them and taking them to jail where people sit until a judge releases them. Know your rights, especially the right to not talk to police, and the right to not consent to a search. Never let the police into your home unless they have a warrant. You do not even have to answer the door when they are knocking. Police are not your friends, they can legally lie to you, they make up fake laws on the spot, and they are always investigating you, even if it might seem like just a friendly conversation. Two of the biggest laws that are misused by police are obstruction of justice and disorderly conduct, so keep calm and obey lawful orders. The time to fight the police is in court, not in the streets. Always video police interactions, and always file complaints and get legal help if your rights are violated.
Absolutely! If you compare Amanda's description of her interrogation in her Nov. 6 'memoriale' to the steps in the Reid technique, it's blatantly obvious that she was subjected to the Reid interrogation steps. A technique that has been proven to elicit false confessions.
Another false claim. Luca Altier's testimony Feb. 6, 2009 on seeing Amanda cry on Nov. 2, 2007: ""(Defense)LAWYER -... You said to Amanda: I heard that there is a girl... she was killed because her throat was slit and she started crying as a result. WITNESS - yes." Please learn the facts of the case and stop making false claims.
@@mytrip6991 Amanda your children has to bee looked after, stop spending your time here on TH-cam, your children should be more important than victimising yourself! Get real!
@@mytrip6991 Whahahah you have to search for one date in the history of her life when she cried about it? Whahah. Doesn't that tell you something? Who was she crying for? The victim or herself?
@@well_i_liked_it What it tells me is that, apparently, you must have been privy to her every waking moment in the days following and in the "history of her life", so you know that she never cried for Meredith. Altieri also testified that she had cried not only during the drive to the station, but earlier while they were waiting outside the cottage: "PROSECUTOR - Listen, and when… do you remember seeing whether Amanda cried at the police station or not? WITNESS - Amanda cried once outside the house, even while driving to the police station, yes, at a certain point…" He saw her crying while Raffaele was trying to console her: " LAWYER - but you said that Amanda cried the first time when you were outside the house, then also in the car. WITNESS - yes, that’s where... It was there that I saw her being consoled, outside the house when she cried." Paola Grande, who was also in the car, also testified that Amanda was crying. So that's two times your claim is proven false by sworn testimony. Doesn't that tell you something? As in, maybe you don't know as much about this case as you think you do? What misinformation is next? Amanda's blood was mixed with Meredith's blood? That she bought bleach the next morning and they cleaned the crime scene? Amanda's footprints were in blood?
I was more surprised by the Italian misconduct until she mentioned this happened in Florence. I'm Italian and feel like an outsider there. They're very hateful to non-locals but you need to do your homework before you pick your destination. Sure they'll let you in while you're in short shorts as a woman. But you're not one of them. This probably wouldn't have happened in Naples. In Rome, yes. In Indiana or Idaho, yes.
She only accused him because she was being gaslighted by the police while they were violating her rights to a lawyer and impartial interpreter. She retracted he statements in writing within hours more than once: Nov. 6, Nov. 7, and Nov. 9 as found by the ECHR. But the police ignored them all. As for ruining Lumumba's life....he has lied about her repeatedly, starting with a Daily Mail interview with multiple proven false claims. He was paid 70,000 euros in 2008 by a British tabloid and 20 euros by an Italian TV show.
It sorta sounds like she's making excuses. She blamed someone else to save herself. Did they pressure her? Duh. But she still made untrue statements. Why doesn't she just own up to what she did?
Because they got her momentarily believing that he did indeed do it... they didn't just pressurise her, they tried to convince her she was suffering a traumatic amnesia. It was akin to implanting false memories as a result of, and a misunderstanding of, her text..it made her suggestible.
She did not give 'excuses'; she gave 'reasons', an explanation. They are not the same thing. She didn't blame someone else to save herself as by saying she took Lumumba to the cottage, she implicated herself and ended up being arrested on murder charges. That is hardly 'saving herself'. They didn't just pressure her. The interrogators had already made up their minds about what happened and, when she denied their version, she was cuffed on the back of the head and repeatedly called a liar. She was told she had traumatic amnesia and if she just kept trying, she'd "remember the truth". This is what Chief of Police Arturo de Felice declared to the press the morning of her arrest: "Initially the American gave a version of events we knew was not correct. She buckled and made an admission of facts we knew were correct and from that we were able to bring them in. They all participated but had different roles." Notice the use of the word "buckled" which means "to bend under extreme pressure". Notice that they had already decided Knox's "version of events" wasn't true and that they "knew" she had taken Lumumba to the cottage where he assaulted Kercher. But that never actually happened. As far as "owning up to what she did": she did. Within hours of her interrogation, she RETRACTED her statements in writing and gave it to the police. She wrote another, even stronger retraction in writing again the next day. Again, it was ignored by the police.
@@magsbaildon1124 I guess I just don't believe they could brainwash her. She was an adult who knowingly gave a false testimony to police. She even got to back and retell her story and was still found guilty by a jury of doing so. She didn't convince the court and she isn't convincing me.
@mytrip6991 when you say, the reason i lied is because someone else made me lie, that's an excuse, not a reason. They tricked her? They brainwashed her? They beat her mercilessly? What's the reason other than she chose to lie and make false statements to the police?
@@mike300rum "I didn't get gas for the car because I forgot" is an excuse. "I didn't get gas because we were snowed in by the surprise blizzard" is a reason. Knox didn't "lie" as that requires knowing at the time that what you are saying is false. Knox did not know that. As she wrote in her Nov. 7 statement to the police: [After giving account of the night of Nov. 1]"This is what happened and I could swear by it. I’m sorry I didn’t remember before and I’m sorry I said I could have been at the house when it happened. I said these things because I was confused and scared. I DIDN'Y LIE WHEN I SAID THAT I THOUGHT THE KILLER WAS PATRICK. I WAS VERY STRESSED AT THE TIME AND I REALLY DID THINK HE WAS THE MURDERER. BUT NOW I REMEMBER THAT I CAN'T KNOW WHO THE MURDERER IS BECAUSE I DIDN'T RETURN BACK TO THE HOUSE. " Prof. Saul Kassin, the leading expert in false confessions, wrote a book called "Duped: Why Innocent People Confess" in which he covers the Knox case among others. His professional opinion is that she was the victim of a coerced/internalized false confession: "An internalized false confession is a confession that results from external pressure and where the person comes to believe they committed a crime they did not commit. The person may not have a clear memory of the crime, but they accept that they did it. Interrogators can take advantage of a suspect's lack of self-confidence or memory by using suggestive questioning and explanations for their memory gaps. The suspect may not realize they are being manipulated and may eventually come to accept guilt." You are assuming that Knox CHOSE to lie and make a false statement. False confessions are not a CHOICE; they are coerced. And they happen far more often than most people think. In fact, according The Innocence Project, 25% of convictions that are later proved wrongful by DNA evidence included a false confession.
But someone who has help and support from a major celebrity and thinks they removed evidence is happy with fame and knowing they will soon have a book deal and be interviewed, allowed to further weave their web of non truths.
@The celebrity was our soon-to-be president. And she later showed ingratitude when she felt any alignment would hurt her popularity, when he became enemy number one by the mainstream media. So if you think 'trial by media'is a real concern of hers, tell me how did she actually help others who were vilified by the media? The answer is that she didn't and won't in the future. Many things weren't discussed in the media and I am from the same college and lived in the same neighborhood as this person you want to give the benefit of the doubt from. She had a lot of support so she has some nerve trying to throw a pity party for herself.
@@dominikabanel340 As usual, you can't list the evidence because you don't know it. I'd suggest you stop embarrassing yourself with this stupid, trolling behavior.
@@magsbaildon1124 Nope, or the obvious and continual intolerance of people who don't like you ("MyTrip? Who would call themselves that???? Lol). It's hard not to be so outraged on behalf of Meredith Kircher, guilty of class, hard work, intelligence, to name a few of her qualities. I urge everyone: please do not give the benefit of the doubt to a housemate or roommate who makes you uncomfortable, you don't need 100% proof, better safe than sorry! We can have no idea the capabilities of certain individuals.
This sis has been through it, man. Hope she is finding peace at last and moving on from that nightmare. Amanda is smart and good looking; that can work against you in a place like Italy, the pope and Bronze Age morality, no thank you.
[ it's a luxury "to grieve" ] That is a reality when you are in a foxhole of war. Meredith is in a better place of no pain and no sorrow - it was not her ending - it was her beginning - so when we grieve, we need grieve only for ourselves.
History is full of stories of forced confessions. Just because it did not look like a SAW movie doesn't mean it was not coerced. Oh, and 20 years old? That is a child. Sorry, not sorry. I am not trying to pick on Italy because US is probably worse, in this regard.
So creepy how she changes her "mood"/face so fast around 1:08:58 when she first fake laughs and then immediately switches to stoneface aka "dropping the mask" (because she felt insulted by him). Creeeepy and classic psychopath/narcissist behavior.
Yes, diagnosing someone you've never met and are not qualified to diagnose is rather narcissistic and psychopathic. I hope the rest of us can steer clear of you.
Besides corrupt policing, this does well delving into the mess of Procedural versus Substantive Due Process, or international comparables rooted in human rights law. Substantive Due Process requires striving for an accurate result, whereas Procedural only on checking off a lawfare perverse dance card. OTOH, courts are so under-resourced relative to societal burdens on them, the time overload were more cases well litigated, could deny 90% of litigants access to courts, which amounts to a Catch 22. The only workable solution to that would require changing society such that people behaved better and needed less civil or criminal litigation. As to cops, the very thinking that law needs to be precise and binary, combined with systems infested with incompetent and predator jerks, and political standards from above that often violate basic rights boundaries, do make all cops bad cops; even the ones who try to be good, but are part of broken systems. Again, that takes more mature society including no dirty politics driven black markets like those for drugs or sex (which both are human rights widely oppressed for rleigion rooted reassons), but where private security and violent conflicts driven by black markets create crime otherwise unlikely, and that's used as a political "get tough" campaign slogan that assumes voters don't recognize those same politicians as the primary root cause. Also touched on but not drawn out in this interview, Scandinavian social policy does far better than US Calvinist vindictiveness, at recognizing that kicked dogs make poor neighbors, and 94% of inmates get out and are our future neighbors.
Because they were under a lot of public pressure to solve the case, used their "intuition" and "gut feelings" instead of waiting for the forensic results, and had tunnel-vision.
@ she never cried for Meredith!! Never!! But there were fights over money and other things..because Amanda didn’t clean up, spended her money and had a bad behavior…So it became natural that she was jealous over other girls including Meredith!
@@rainbowwarrier1469 What a load of nonsense. If she never cried then Luca Altieri must have committed perjury when he testified in court: "PROSECUTOR - Here, do you remember if Sollecito, at the police station, did he talk about this matter? What did he say? WITNESS - Look, the only exchange was when we were going to the police station in my car, say, when he asked if she was dead. I was a little shocked by the question, I told him "yes". And then after he asked, if I’m not mistaken, how she died, you know, something like that, and then I explained what I had heard..." "(Defense)LAWYER -... You said to Amanda: I heard that there is a girl... she was killed because her throat was slit AN SHE STARTED CRYING AS A RESULT. WITNESS - YES." There were NO fights over money. The ONLY person to ever claim a fight over money was Rudy Guede who was lying in order to pin the missing money on Knox. Kercher's purse had GUEDE'S DNA IN HER BLOOD ON IT. Her wallet and credit cards from it were never found. Knox had over $4500 in her bank account. She had no motive to steal from her roommate unlike proven thief Guede. You don't know the facts of this case from the court records. You just repeat nonsense spread on the internet by people as ignorant of the case as you are. Either educate yourself on it by studying the court records or move on.
Luca Altieri testified on the day the murder was discovered that after telling Raffaele and Amanda that Meredith was dead and her throat had been cut, she began crying. There were no fights. Meredith did have to explain to Amanda that European toilets need extra wipe(s). Amanda is a clean person. Amanda did not spend Meredith's money. The police destroyed both Amanda and Meredith's computer hard drives, destroying the words and pictures of their friendship, including their recent trip together to the Perugia chocolate factory.
@@thomasmininger7405 It's amazing how the same false information is still being spread 17 years later by people who don't know the case facts but think they do. Dunning-Kruger at its finest.
Amanda is simply inspirational in her ability to look at bot the big picture of incarceration (whether just or unjust) and compassion for the impact on individuals. Especially how she managed to stay sane in a position where she had virtually zero control. So finding meaning in whatever she could do and refusing to let herself go under.
Every single interview I have ever watched with amanda knox has been a massive waste of my time. The fact of the matter is, is that their was a male fluid stain under the body that has not been tested even 17 years later --- WHY NOT?? And why wont Amanda ever discuss this? Why does no interviewer bring this up?
During the first trial, the excuses for not testing it given by the prosecution forensic officer was that testing it could compromise the pillowcase being tested for other things. She also said that it could be Giacomo Silenzi's who had a sexual relationship with Meredith. None of these made sense. The stain was big enough for multiple tests and why not test it to find out if it belonged to Silenzi, Sollecito, Guede or an unidentified man? Sollecito's defense requested the suspected semen stain be tested in both the Hellmann and the Nencini trials. Both were rejected by the judges. Amanda mentions it in her book on pp 509-510: "In our appeal request, we asked the court to appoint independent experts to review the DNA on the knife and the bra clasp, and to analyze a sperm stain on the pillow found underneath Meredith’s body that the prosecution had maintained was irrelevant."
@@dominikabanel340 La polizia voleva che lei lo accusasse per risolvere il caso alla svelta . Forse tu non sai cosa significa essere interrogati dagli inquirenti quando vogliono una confessione ( da sola , senza avvocato )...prova e lo saprai !
I want to know more about illiterate prisoners asking for help writing letters. These women were Italian? How many? I want to know how much illiteracy, please.
@@rainbowwarrier1469 Both of you have repeatedly revealed your ignorance of the case facts. And you in particular have been provided quoted and cited evidence disproving your many false claims which you just ignore.
Yeh, the nickname was a particularly cruel aspect of the news coverage. I mean, I was on boys' soccer teams, and we had some nicknames for each other that would have people running for the hills, lol.
The problem with Amanda Knox was her lack of empathy to the deceased roomate. She. was always smiling. This raised suspicion on everybody.The reason she was this happy would be she was much. in love to her italian boyfriend. She just cried for herself when she was sentenced.
@@jclgts10 Again, you think you know what she felt from the little you saw from only what the media chose to show you: whatever would get the most attention and sell. Smiling at her family as she sees them as she enters the courtroom was presented as her not caring about Meredith instead of her being happy to see her loved ones during a horrendous experience. Being angry instead of crying at the police station, which is a very normal reaction to a friend being murdered was, again, presented as her not caring and somehow abnormal. I suggest you stop judging her on what you THINK she 'felt' and how you (and the media) interpret her behavior which is always through a bias of assumed guilt. Instead, focus on the facts, including that NO evidence supports she had anything to do with the murder.
@@jclgts10 "Everybody"? So "everybody" feels that way? Hmmm. I don't and neither do a lot of other people. Again, you and this alleged "everybody" are assuming you know what her attitude was. You don't.
@ There’s a lot of inculpatory evidence, DNA, eye witnesses, a degraded relationship with Meredith, inconsistent statements, a staged crime scene, but very little exculpatory evidence, no corroborative eye witnesses statements about her alibi. I imagine, could be wrong, that you’re American, and as an American you believe that anywhere outside of “God’s Country” is a kind of unsophisticated backwater, I’d be surprised if you’ve ever stepped out of your country.
@@marcushaysom4059 It's rather simple: There are two not complicated cases: The Meredtih Kercher case: Perpetrator Guede. The Amanda Knox case (victims also Patrick Lumumba and Raffaele Sollecito, also officially ECHR Knox c. l'Italie): Perpetrator "Italy". Without several violations of Italian laws and human rights NOBODY would have heard of Lumumba or Sollecito or Knox at all: NULLA, NIENTE, NOTHING, ZERO! Consequently your list of "inculpatory evidence", which logically wouldn't have emerged either, has been debunked long ago. For the established TOD Sollecito and Knox have indeed an alibi! BTW !'m not American and Italian's justice system is an European disgrace.
@ what was the “established” time of death? The pathologist, I believe, was prevented from conducting a full examination of the body and this has lead to some ambiguity regarding the so called “established” time of death, making an alibi a little moot.
@@marcushaysom4059 In point 6.2 Cassazione 2015 concedes the timeline provided by Sollecito's defence also regarding TOD and consequently an alibi. That means the state of digestion of the victim (still empty duodenum despite eating at 6 pm), the interrupted call to her mother at 9 pm, still wearing clothes and shoes coming from outside, no emptying of the full washing machine with her stuff, a just prior lent book lying scattered in the corridor instead of properly positioned in her room etc. This establishes the beginning of the attack immediately after her return at almost exactly 9:00 pm. We know from Guede's own admission that he was there since half past 8 pm. Witness testimony places Knox and Sollecito at his flat at 20 minutes before 9 pm and there is evidence of Sollecito's computer activity at around 9:30 pm! We know that they looked the film "Amélie", not really a stirring shocker. There is not the slightest indication that Knox and/or Sollecito have put one foot out of the door (and to suddenly turn into monsters by sozialize with any unacquainted and unfamiliar guy?)! AGAIN more profound: Without violations of several human rights we wouldn't discuss "her alibi", because we wouldn't have noticed Knox at all!
It was the police who arrested and jailed Lumumba with ZERO forensic evidence against him and without doing anything to establish if he had an alibi. They rushed out and arrested him ONLY on the coerced statements of someone they considered a liar in the first place. Amanda recanted both her statements within hours, but the POLICE IGNORED them because they could not admit they screwed up.
Yes, as she has expressed many times. But realize that she doesn't dwell on a roommate she knew less than 2 months 17 years ago and whom she did not kill.
@@Joules410 Why do you think you know how she felt then? Is that why Luca Altieri testified on the day the murder was discovered that after telling Raffaele and Amanda that Meredith was dead and her throat had been cut, she began crying? ""(Defense)LAWYER -... You said to Amanda: I heard that there is a girl... she was killed because her throat was slit and she started crying as a result. WITNESS - yes." Is that why she fell apart the next day when she was taken to the cottage? From her testimony: "LG: We heard that on that occasion, you had a crisis, a crisis when. AK:Yes... LG: A crisis of crying. AK:Yes. LG:Is it true? Do you remember? AK:[Sigh, voice trembling] .... and then they wanted me to look at all the knives, and it made a strong impression on me, and all the emotion that I had been keeping inside me escaped, because I'd had this shock, this inability to understand what had really happened, and since I didn't want to accept it..." On the 10th anniversary of Meredith's death, Amanda wrote an article "Mourning Meredith". In it she said, "...there are some people who believe I have no right to mourn Meredith. They believe that I had something to do with her murder -- I didn't -- or that Meredith has been forgotten in the wake of my own struggle for justice -- she hasn't." "Most depressing of all is that Meredith isn't here, when she deserves to be. She is painfully missed by everyone who loved her. I miss her, and I'm grateful for the memories of our time together."
It was the POLICE who were convinced Lumumba did it because they misinterpreted her text to him "See you later" as a planned meeting later that night. The Chief of Police's statement to the press the same day shows that: "Initially the American gave a version of events we knew was not correct. She buckled and made an admission of facts we knew were correct and from that we were able to bring them in. They all participated but had different roles." Dissect that: "Initially the American gave a version of events we knew was not correct." Amanda's version was that she had been at Raffaele's all night...but the police "KNEW" that wasn't true. Why? Because Raffaele had told them she'd gone out. But, his description of events that night, when compared to the phone records and later witness testimony, could NOT have happened as he described. "She buckled and made an admission of facts we knew were correct" "To buckle: to bend under pressure or force". He's admitting that, under pressure, she agreed with the police who "knew" she had taken Lumumba to the cottage. But she didn't. "They all participated but had different roles." But none of them participated in Kercher's murder. She did not "ruin Lumumba's reputation" as within two weeks he had been totally cleared and everyone knew it. He was seen as an innocent victim.
@@mytrip6991 La polizia ha scritto la "confessione" e Amanda stremata l'ha firmata. Un PM "normale" avrebbe SUBITO messo a confronto Amanda con Lumumba per risolvere il caso! Invece Mignini sapeva che era tutto falso e li ha tenuti separati per evitare che lei ritrattasse...un PM che si comporta in modo assurdo, ma nessuno l'ha notato!
@@benjaminmyers5299 In the US, slander is a tort. Amanda was convicted of calunnia (criminal defamation) which is a crime in Italy punishable by prison time. She served 3 years for it.
@@sertorio1040 Yes, the statements were typed up by the police and she signed them. An honest and competent prosecutor would have investigated to find out if Lumumba had an alibi before rushing out to arrest him and drag him in handcuffs to the station.
Amanda God knows the truth. Whether you are a person of faith or not know that. I am happy you were freed and sorry you were put thru this. And we thought American jails were tough.
Do you refer to the God that she herself has publicly stated she doesn't believe in? And that's no surprise; Hellbound people have reason to hide their heads in the sand.
Amanda's False Accusation (lie, deception) with respect to Lumumba was the key to my believing she was deeply involved somehow in Meredith's murder. No other credible, or even possible scenarios, nor suspects have ever emerged. Based on my own reading, the research and discussions held by different true crime podcasts, I have only 1 possible scenario which may have occurred. Unfortunately for Knox it does not exclude her presence during the murder. In the random dna and photographic analysis, there was DNA from at least 2 other, unknown individuals found in the flat. There were also shoeprints not matching those of the 3 accused. I strongly believe the break in was staged by Sollecito & Knox and that Meredith didn't let Guede in. If you look now at Amanda's having met an older cocaine dealer on train down to Perugia, then withdrawing large sums of cash in the weeks prior to the event, my hypothesis is that the cocaine dealer, who was later convicted of attempted murder with a knife, was also called or texted by Knox and asked to drop off cocaine for her, Sollecito and Guede to use. Perhaps due to Amanda's already owing this cretino money for prior cocaine deliveries, and perhaps her refusing his sexual advances, the early middle-aged cretinous low life attacked Meredith as punishment or extortion against Knox. The fatal wound profiles contradict this scenario, but it could explain why Knox said she was so terrified in her original statements. I think by now, Amanda's family and husband know the truth. I'd imagine she explained it all to them, soon after her acqittal.
It's obvious one place you have NOT gotten your information from is the actual court records. 1. "No other credible, or even possible scenarios, nor suspects have ever emerged." And why is that? Because NO evidence places ANYONE in that cottage the night of the murder except for RUDY GUEDE. No DNA, no fingerprints, no footprints. Nothing. 2. "Unfortunately for Knox it does not exclude her presence during the murder." Really? Then you can present the evidence that DOES include her presence during the murder? Let's see it. But you won't because you can't. You'll just ignore this. 3. "In the random dna and photographic analysis, there was DNA from at least 2 other, unknown individuals found in the flat." Wow! Because only criminals leave their DNA behind! Guests and friends simply don't touch anything! Nor does secondary DNA transfer occur. I guess that means that the DNA of the two unidentified males found on Kercher's bra hook must have directly touched it. You really need to educate yourself on DNA. 4. "There were also shoeprints not matching those of the 3 accused." If they weren't in blood then there is no reason to think these ALLEGED shoeprints were connected to the murder. The ONLY shoeprints in blood belonged to GUEDE.
Your ignorance continues to be revealed: 5. "If you look now at Amanda's having met an older cocaine dealer on train down to Perugia, " Sigh. She met him on a train to FLORENCE where she and her sister went BEFORE going to Perugia. No evidence showed any communication between them after she left Florence. 6. "then withdrawing large sums of cash in the weeks prior to the event," LOL! She withdrew money for rent and everyday living expenses as Italians usually pay with cash. Her bank records show she had over $4500 at the time of the murder. Not one single person EVER reported Knox buying drugs from anyone. 7. " the cocaine dealer, who was later convicted of attempted murder with a knife" False. That was an associate of his who stabbed his own brother. 8. ", was also called or texted by Knox and asked to drop off cocaine for her, Sollecito and Guede to use." Knox's phone records show NO calls or texts between her and the dealer. She saw the guy one night in Florence but you assume she even knew he sold cocaine. In addition, hair tests of Knox and Sollecito upon their arrests were NEGATIVE FOR NARCOTICS, including cocaine. Hair NEVER loses traces of narcotics. Try again. 9. "I'd imagine she explained it all to them, soon after her acqittal." You imagine a lot of things not based on any evidence. The more you comment on the case, the more you reveal your ignorance of it.
@ why don’t you read the statements of Meredith’s friends, or read the book that Meredith’s father wrote, you brainwashed American who believes Americans knows everything better! Why did Amanda changed her story so many times? Why did she hear Meredith’s screaming and later changed her mind and told something else? Her “Boyfriend” wich she knew just for a couple of days..”boyfriend” wich she really didn’t knew nothing about! Such naive behavior and acting like knowing everything better! Self centered jealous narcissist is what she are, still today playing the victim and earning plenty of money in the name of MEREDITH but still not paying Patrick Lumumba, BECAUSE HE WAS GUILTY? So Amanda still ignores that she has to pay him! 🤮
The police knew who did it but he was an informant, so they tried to pin it on Amanda to protect their informant. You people who have convinced yourselves that Amanda is guilty have put way too much faith in true-crime podcasts.
I so admire Amanda for keeping her own story alive and making a successful industry out of it. She has walked a fine line perfectly. An opportunist in the best of terms.
A woman still fighting to clear her name, educate police, law students, lawyers and the public on how wrongful convictions and false confessions occur and fighting to get a law to make recording all interrogations mandatory isn't "opportunism".
Actually, incarcerating criminals DOES work, the current system doesn't work as well as it could/should because it's WAY too lenient. LEO's, DAs and judges do need to be held to a higher standard and be held more accountable but the majority of crime in the US is committed by serial criminals, who cycle in and out of prison with not much fear of getting caught or seriously punished for their next crime. And they are correct, they probably won't be caught and they won't be seriously punished if they are caught.
It's 'Kercher'. And no, nothing 'magical' about it: She was sexually assaulted and murdered by Rudy Guede. Which is why HIS DNA is found in her body, on bra strap and the jacket she was wearing when attacked. Which is why it's his bloody shoeprints found around her body and is bloody handprint found under her body. It's why his DNA in Kercher's blood was found on her purse.
I guess that's why she won an academic scholarship to her private high school? That's why she was on the Dean's List throughout HS and the Univ. of Washington from which she graduated?
@@formerlyfromthefuton8171 You've revealed that you know nothing about this case. The SC didn't release Knox. The first APPELLATE COURT (Hellmann) acquitted her in 2011 and that's when she was free to go home. The Nencini Court, on the prosecution's appeal of Hellmann, convicted her again in 2014 and the Marasca Supreme Court definitively annulled the conviction in 2015. Maybe you should learn the facts before pontificating on it.
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RIP Meredith Kercher
Using psychological torture to obtain a false confession? Seems far too common ... Richard Allen, etc.
Officers and Prosecutors have way too much power that is not checked.
@@2Truth4Liberty occasionally that's true but I think not in foxy Nazis's case.
@@virtue_signal_ I don't know anythign about that case, but, yes, not every single confession is false when obtained by torture. My point is that use of torture is far too common and psychological mannipulation is ripe for abuse by those with unchecked power.
@@virtue_signal_ how dare you call her a nickname she helped make popular. 😁
@@kafusada1041 Mea culpa..
@@virtue_signal_ Well, the world's leading expert on false confessions, Prof. Saul Kassin, disagrees with you. He believes it was a coerced, false confession. He has appeared with her in public stating so.
If you think it wasn't false, then you must believe that she took Patrick Lumumba to the cottage where he assaulted and murdered Meredith. Because that's what the signed 'confession' says.
"foxy Nazi"
How childish.
I love Amanda Knox. Instead of hiding away, she took the absolute worst thing that could ever happen to a person and she used it for good. She’s such an empowered person, even as she continues to be attacked, she holds her head high and shows that we can all overcome the worst adversity. What happened to her shows that even western countries can be very backward and full of anti American sentiment (which I think played a huge role in why she was demonized and blamed.) She’s my personal idol and I have been using her show of strength to give me strength against adversity.
Shes guilty as sin.
@@thehotcoffeehouse6081Anyone who has done even a cursory study of this case wouldn’t say that. Only someone who has read one paragraph of a people magazine article from 2008 would ever think this. It’s so clear cut that she wasn’t even near the scene of the crime when it occurred that it’s only due to anti American sentiment, and probably misogyny in a deeply religious culture that can’t imagine women being sexual beings, that convicted her solely on the basis of not understanding her, and being deeply deeply rooted in superstition and ignorance.
I read many, many books about the case. Best one is " angel face".
She and sollecito did it along eith rudy guede.
@@thehotcoffeehouse6081 sorry but you’re reading propaganda that isn’t based in fact.
@@goodgrief888 the book was by an investigative journalist who deeply analyzed the facts.
Knox, sollecito, guede all guilty.
Her compensation for robbing her of most of her young adult life was pitiful.
Kudos to Knox-Robinson for truly devoting their lives to try to make lemonades from rotten sour Perugian lemons and maggot-covered British tabloids
😒. She goes on and on about her treatment in prison, a walk in the park compared to what Meredith Kerscher endured. R.IP. Meredith Kerscher 🦋
Thank goodness sense prevailed. People need to leave her alone. She doesn't deserve all this hate especially with what she went through.
@@isabelpark7650 she don’t want to be left alone, she want to be in the lime light! Selling books, being seen, makung videos in TH-cam and so on! Read her book and count how many Times she mentions Merediths NAME!! It’s just all about Amandas suffering, she cries about herself and her suffering! What about Merediths parents and sister and brother??? Read Amandas book and if you are old enough you will see how egocentric she is!!!! See ALL interviews with her and you’ll understand how much she suffered over HERSELF!!
@@rainbowwarrier1469 What a load if nonsense. Because you think she is guilty, you think she has no right to speak about the case in her effort to educate people on why and how miscarriages of justice and false confessions happen. Everything she says or does you see through guilt-colored glasses.
She not selling bookS. She wrote ONE book almost 12 years ago.
I do have her book, both hardcopy and digital, which I highly doubt you've read despite all your pearl clutching over how many times she mentions Meredith's name. Which, by the way, is about 500 times according to the search in my digital copy. She also talks about the Kercher family and what they went through quite a bit which you'd never if you'd ever actually read the book. Which you haven't.
She DID suffer and has for the last 17 years due to an inept police investigation, 4 years in prison, an ongoing slander conviction, and morons who don't know the case but think they do spouting shit like you do.
Excellent compassionate interview. I wish Amanda a full and meaningful life. She will be a wonderful example for her daughter.
Thank you for listening!
I wouldn't recommend her daughter engage in debaucherous three-way sex with a cad in another country. What could go wrong?
@@Richard_Albrecht. Go talk to someone else troll.
@@Richard_Albrecht cad? What does Canada have to do with any of this? LOL
@@Richard_Albrecht Would you like to explain just how Amanda and Raffaele engaged in a "debaucherous three-way sex" game yet left ZERO forensic evidence in Meredith's bedroom? Can you explain that and then explain why only one person, Rudy Guede, left his DNA in Meredith's vagina, on her bra strap, on the cuff of her jacket, in her blood on her purse, his bloody shoeprints under and around her body, and his bloody handprint under her body?
You might want to learn something about the case before commenting on it.
This case always facinated me. You saw identity play out on an international level with most of the Europeans thinking she was guilty and most Americans defending Amanda.
Anti American propaganda I never knew how much the rest of the world hated Americans until I saw this case play out. She was tried in the court of public opinion simply for being and behaving like an American woman.
Tons of Americans who didn’t look too much into the case convicted her in the court of public opinion. British people were just out for blood. And the Italians let their backwards superstitious legal system dictate how she was handled.
@ this case happened in Europe. Try to make sense.
@@dominikabanel340 You post stupid comments like this everywhere. Yet when repeatedly asked to discuss the actual evidence, you NEVER do. All you do is go around posting nasty little retorts. Why? Because you CAN'T discuss the evidence because you don't know it.
Because Europeans believed the Italian press who sided with an overzealous prosecutor with political ambitions who originally charged her.
It's a good thing that Amanda Know was blessed with a good mind, a supportive and loving family, and an inner resilience that she was able to strengthen during the long, dark night of her original ordeal. Applause to her for continuing to stand against injustice, and to educate others on all these related issues. It takes a certain type of person to stand in that space that draws so much public attention, and she has done it with amazing grace and perseverance. She also brings masterfully articulate communication skills to these discussions, and to her writing. Bravo, brave woman. May you be surrounded by The Light as you march forward in your journey. 🌟🙏💞
Well-said.
@@dominikabanel340 What the hell are you blathering on about now? Knox went to Modena in northern Italy in 2019 to speak at the Criminal Justice Festival, "Trial by Media", where she received a standing ovation. She was in Italy with her family in 2022 but there is no evidence she went to Perugia. She was also in Florence for the latest slander trial in June. Per your usual, you just spout ignorant crap.
@@dominikabanel340 Pure your usual response, rather than admit you just make shit up all over the internet on this case and are repeatedly proved wrong, you come back with yet another a stupid retort.
Not known for your great judge of character, are ya?😊
@@kafusada1041 Do you have anything relevant to add or are you just a trolling?
What she says are the motivations of the media are exactly the same for those in law enforcement, and everyone else. REWARD!!
This is the Reason interview with Nick Gillespie.
I am not Nick Gillespie.
An appropriate way to start an interview with a liar. 😂
AK wanted to experience Italy and she did. The fact is the Italian justice system is extremely corrupt , in fact the mafia still exists and permeates the law and justice system.
Just as corrupt as the US justice system, if you follow trie crime you'll know.
What an age old claim ."govt is corrupt"
That's literally the entire point of the gospel.
The concept of violent mortal govt is the corruption of the soul
MafiaS.
I think the world has heard enough from this person.
I think you are a tool that thinks she is guilty and her standing up for herself bothers you
Then why are you clicking on this and interview and commenting on it?
@@michaelplunkett5124 Agreed and watch out because she will be trying to engage with you on this thread if she hasn't already. It's more games....
This story shines a light on the inherant curruption of the criminal justice system, where everyone in power has perverse incentives to subverst justice for their own gain.
Well-conducted interview by Billy. Amanda seems more graceful regarding her terrible ordeal than could / should be reasonably expected of most people.
Amanda Knox's experience convinced me never to visit Italy, and I haven't.
That's a silly reason never to visit a beautiful country. You do realize every country has wrongful convictions. And the US has more than their fair share.
@@mytrip6991 It’s true that every country has wrongful convictions. And I have visited China! (Not Iran or North Korea, though.) However, Amanda Knox’s prosecution was especially absurd. Her “confession” was obviously coerced, and the prosecutor’s theory of the crime was obviously absurd (not to mention an expression of his own perverse sexual fantasies). And yet a panel of judges looked at the evidence and said, “Sounds like proof to us!” I can deal with sociopathic governments, but I’m more afraid of the crazy ones.
Don't think it would be better in other countries.
@@ehanneken What you say about the confession and the prosecution is true. However, remember that the Hellmann court annulled the first conviction. When Hellmann was annulled and the Nencini court convicted them again, the Supreme Court definitively acquitted them so eventually justice was done. I will say that it is much easier for a convicted person to get an appeal than it is in the US. Neither the US nor the Italian system is perfect and they both have their strengths and weaknesses. But to not visit italy on the basis of this one case is an overreaction, imo. It's a gorgeous country and you'd be missing out on something wonderful.
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@@dominikabanel340 "so you are saying so want to commit a crime in Italy, and you are scared that they wil find out"
Yet another really stupid comment from you. Stop embarrassing yourself.
OJ Simpson was found not guilty as well.
List DNA and forensic evidence
Her trial was nothing like Simpson's. The prosecutor reasoned that the fact that her fingerprints weren't there proved that she had wiped them off. She was beaten into a confession. When that turned out to be false, she was prosecuted for making a false statement under duress! I think the prosecutor just disliked her.
@sanjivjhangiani3243 yeah I've studied this up and down. I know I'm not a prosecutor but I'm not convinced that she is innocent. 1 red flag was that she tried to blame an innocent man. Just my opinion of course.
Oh dear GOD 🙄
@@virtue_signal_ are you dishonest, or just straight up dumb?? SHE EXPLAINED WHY SHE BLAMED HER BOSS, IN DETAIL, IN THIS PODCAST EPISODE. I know a LOT of people seem to struggle with this concept for some godforsaken reason, but FALSE/COERCED CONFESSIONS ARE A REAL THING. I don't know why so many people have to literally experience it firsthand before they'll acknowledge that it does happen?? Why?? Why can't you comprehend that a traumatic experience (the rape and murder of your friend/roommate) + the shock of unexpectedly being arrested for a heinous crime that you KNOW you didn't commit + being subjected to hours upon hours of coercion, mind games, manipulation, lies, false promises, threats, screaming, accusations, and worse + not even being allowed to use the bathroom, have something to drink, sleep, or call an attorney, could MAYBE, just MAYBE = a false confession.
I mean jfc how are people this obtuse??
Give Billy Binion his own podcast!
Amanda Knox on Reason? She faced a pop culture mobbing. No amount of questioning was tolerated online or in the media.
Because she k1lled in cold blood and made everything about herself !
@@Wizzy678keep up. She didn’t kill anyone.
@@Wizzy678 Did she? Then can you provide the evidence that proves that? If not, maybe you should consider what you're basing your opinion on.
Cold blood or hot blood? @@Wizzy678
@@Wizzy678Glad to see that some people still know Knox for exactly what she is.
There's a life for you to live. It might be a lot harder than you were thinking before. But it will go on.
We need to teach our children to never confess to something we didn’t do, and never bear false witness against another, and that these kinds of things happen and to think about it before it happens. I say this not to blame the victim, but part of what made it hard for her to resist their interrogation is that she probably never fathomed anything like that happening and so was utterly unprepared for it, as most people would be. I teach this to my son- I will never confess to anything I didn’t do, with the only possible exception being that I’m tortured so bad I can’t take the pain anymore, or if some is going to kill someone I love. Bad police will threaten and coerce, and tell you that things will be easier for you if you confess, but once you confess you’re cooked.
I recommend Duped by false confession researcher Saul Kassan. This is not just a matter of will power. It is a matter of losing your grip on reality to powerful interrogation techniques. I would also teach your son to call a lawyer before any facing any questioning alone.
She loses me when she says the criminals aren’t reflecting on their crimes and they just feel victimized. Sorry but that’s a choice. At some point they need to take responsibility. People who can’t exist safely and reasonably in society need a “time out” whether that’s for rehab or simply for punishment. If they don’t use it that way, that’s their poor attitude. Even if they themselves were once victims.
Billy really throws a wrench into the works when your weekly listening & drinking game hinges on how many times the interviewee is cut off mid sentence. Bring back Gillespie and Make Drinking Games Fun Again! And give Billy his own show!
It was Meredith Kercher who lost her life.
Yes. And Rudy Guede killed her. Sending two innocent people to prison for 4 years also makes them his victims.
And it was the burglar Rudy Guede who killed her. They released him from prison and he assaulted another woman already.
@@thomasmininger7405 Not just assaulted, but repeatedly raped according to the victim.
And it was Italy who freed her murderer, and tortured and humiliated Raff and Amanda...
And?
Looking through the comments I wasn't aware Rudy Guede had so many sycophantic simps.
@@dominikabanel340 Another ignorant comment.
Anti-American brigade wanting an American to be guilty and woke brigade wanting a white girl to be guilty and not a black man.
@@dominikabanel340What's wrong with simping for Amanda? She's a wonderful person victimized by a Mafia state.
@@dominikabanel340What's wrong with simping for Amanda? She's a lovely person who's been victimized by a Mafia state and the media.
What's wrong with simping for Amanda? She's a lovely person who's been through so much.
Outstanding interviewer and guest.
I will never be comfortable with Knox - in this interview she uses the term "tragedy" to describe both her own misfortunes and Kercher's murder in the same sentence. That doesn't strike me as quite right.
Why? What happened to Meredith, Amanda, and Raffaele ARE tragedies. She spent 4 years in prison for a crime she didn't commit and is still to this day, 17 years later, being called a murderer, psycho/sociopath, narcissist, slut, etc.
@@mytrip6991 absolutely 100%. Amanda has every right to call her then circumstances her own tragedy, it always astonishes me how people fail to aknowledge that.
@@andreah.8470 Because they wrongly think there can only be one victim in this case. For some reason, if they acknowledge Amanda and Raffaele are also victims then they think it minimizes what happened to Meredith.
@@mytrip6991 Everything with her is me me me. Out of respect for the victim Meredith Kercher, Knox should not be making a career out of this. And to say they were friends is not exactly the whole truth is it.... I realise that some ppl do not come across well, but if you are like that, best keep quiet. Yet here she is over a decade later. She knows Kercher's family does not like this yet still she does it. There's almost something taunting going on imo. This is all my opinion.
@@smartiepancakeDo you think she is guilty of murder? If so, then your opinion is definitely influenced by that.
Why do you think they weren't friends? No one testified that they were not. Even Patrick Lumumba testified they were.
Terrific interview. I hadn’t thought about Knox for years, but I’m glad she’s sharing her story.
@ Haters gonna hate. You do you. 🫡
@@dominikabanel340 Oh, FOR GOD'S SAKE. Just stop embarrassing yourself with your stupid remarks.
@@dominikabanel340 Knox-Robinson are standing fast devoting time to other falsely convicted criminals via The Innocence Project rather than writing ignorant irrational comments on You Tube
how do you know she didn't do? I mean: how can you positively know, for sure, she didn't do?
How can you know for positively sure that she DID do it? That is the more the relevant question.
The facts that no evidence places her in Kercher's bedroom while multiple pieces of evidence place Rudy Guede there, that no motive could be established, that no reliable witnesses could place her at the cottage that night and that no evidence can even place her in the cottage at all the night of the murder are all reasons sh was found not guilty.
Do a thorough deep dive in the case. There was literally unflushed feces in the toilet found that when dna tested was connected to a dude who had a criminal record. So what makes more sense the dude who already has a criminal record breaking into the house the night of the murder taking a crap in the toilet and not flushing it being the killer or some random 17 year year-old girl doing it with her boyfriend? Just alone absolutely would provide reasonable doubt.
@@pnwpovsurfer_ A couple corrections: 1.Amanda was 20, not 17,
2.Guede did not have a criminal record as he'd never been convicted of any crime. However, he had been caught by the police with stolen items from a law office break-in, but the Milan prosecutor did not press charges and he was released. Additionally, after Guede's arrest, Christian Tramontano came forward and said he recognized him as the man who had broken into his home. When Tramontano confronted him, Guede threatened him with a knife and escaped with his credit cards and some money.
3. Not only was his feces found in the toilet, but multiple pieces of forensic evidence also placed him in Kercher's bedroom at the time of the murder while none placed Knox there.
She has an alibi, just willfully ignored!
@@eurovicino3513 Exactly. No evidence places either of them outside Raffaele's apartment that night. Of course, the prosecution claimed Amanda's own "confession" places her at the cottage but she retracted that in writing shortly after the "confession". They also claim Raffaele places her out of his apartment, but when that statement is compared to Jovana Popovic's court testimony, it's proven that his confused timeline of events was not supported by Jovana's eyewitness testimony. In fact, it correlates more to Amanda and his actions on the night before the murder. As Raffaele said, he also was coerced into making statements that weren't true during his interrogation.
So many videos where you can see that the police know they don't have a good case and that the charges will be dismissed, but they can punish people anyway by handcuffing them and taking them to jail where people sit until a judge releases them. Know your rights, especially the right to not talk to police, and the right to not consent to a search. Never let the police into your home unless they have a warrant. You do not even have to answer the door when they are knocking. Police are not your friends, they can legally lie to you, they make up fake laws on the spot, and they are always investigating you, even if it might seem like just a friendly conversation. Two of the biggest laws that are misused by police are obstruction of justice and disorderly conduct, so keep calm and obey lawful orders. The time to fight the police is in court, not in the streets. Always video police interactions, and always file complaints and get legal help if your rights are violated.
55:35 The REID technique
Absolutely! If you compare Amanda's description of her interrogation in her Nov. 6 'memoriale' to the steps in the Reid technique, it's blatantly obvious that she was subjected to the Reid interrogation steps. A technique that has been proven to elicit false confessions.
For Someone who was your friend, you never cried for her. Only cried when …..ñ.every one saw your true colours
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Another false claim. Luca Altier's testimony Feb. 6, 2009 on seeing Amanda cry on Nov. 2, 2007:
""(Defense)LAWYER -... You said to Amanda: I heard that there is a girl... she was killed because her throat was slit and she started crying as a result.
WITNESS - yes."
Please learn the facts of the case and stop making false claims.
@@mytrip6991 Amanda your children has to bee looked after, stop spending your time here on TH-cam, your children should be more important than victimising yourself! Get real!
@@mytrip6991 Whahahah you have to search for one date in the history of her life when she cried about it? Whahah. Doesn't that tell you something? Who was she crying for? The victim or herself?
@@well_i_liked_it What it tells me is that, apparently, you must have been privy to her every waking moment in the days following and in the "history of her life", so you know that she never cried for Meredith.
Altieri also testified that she had cried not only during the drive to the station, but earlier while they were waiting outside the cottage:
"PROSECUTOR - Listen, and when… do you remember seeing whether Amanda cried at the police station or not?
WITNESS - Amanda cried once outside the house, even while driving to the police station, yes, at a certain point…"
He saw her crying while Raffaele was trying to console her:
" LAWYER - but you said that Amanda cried the first time when you were outside the house, then also in the car.
WITNESS - yes, that’s where... It was there that I saw her being consoled, outside the house when she cried."
Paola Grande, who was also in the car, also testified that Amanda was crying.
So that's two times your claim is proven false by sworn testimony. Doesn't that tell you something? As in, maybe you don't know as much about this case as you think you do? What misinformation is next? Amanda's blood was mixed with Meredith's blood? That she bought bleach the next morning and they cleaned the crime scene? Amanda's footprints were in blood?
I was more surprised by the Italian misconduct until she mentioned this happened in Florence. I'm Italian and feel like an outsider there. They're very hateful to non-locals but you need to do your homework before you pick your destination. Sure they'll let you in while you're in short shorts as a woman. But you're not one of them. This probably wouldn't have happened in Naples. In Rome, yes. In Indiana or Idaho, yes.
She herself falsely accused an innocent man of killing Meredith, ruining his life. In my opinion, she's flying a little close to the sun here.
She only accused him because she was being gaslighted by the police while they were violating her rights to a lawyer and impartial interpreter. She retracted he statements in writing within hours more than once: Nov. 6, Nov. 7, and Nov. 9 as found by the ECHR. But the police ignored them all.
As for ruining Lumumba's life....he has lied about her repeatedly, starting with a Daily Mail interview with multiple proven false claims. He was paid 70,000 euros in 2008 by a British tabloid and 20 euros by an Italian TV show.
when you see the actual person arrested it seems much more believable
You and LUCY LETBY - there needs to be some new law to stop this type of salacious sadistic money making attack
It sorta sounds like she's making excuses. She blamed someone else to save herself. Did they pressure her? Duh. But she still made untrue statements. Why doesn't she just own up to what she did?
Because they got her momentarily believing that he did indeed do it... they didn't just pressurise her, they tried to convince her she was suffering a traumatic amnesia. It was akin to implanting false memories as a result of, and a misunderstanding of, her text..it made her suggestible.
She did not give 'excuses'; she gave 'reasons', an explanation. They are not the same thing.
She didn't blame someone else to save herself as by saying she took Lumumba to the cottage, she implicated herself and ended up being arrested on murder charges. That is hardly 'saving herself'.
They didn't just pressure her. The interrogators had already made up their minds about what happened and, when she denied their version, she was cuffed on the back of the head and repeatedly called a liar. She was told she had traumatic amnesia and if she just kept trying, she'd "remember the truth". This is what Chief of Police Arturo de Felice declared to the press the morning of her arrest:
"Initially the American gave a version of events we knew was not correct. She buckled and made an admission of facts we knew were correct and from that we were able to bring them in. They all participated but had different roles."
Notice the use of the word "buckled" which means "to bend under extreme pressure". Notice that they had already decided Knox's "version of events" wasn't true and that they "knew" she had taken Lumumba to the cottage where he assaulted Kercher. But that never actually happened.
As far as "owning up to what she did": she did. Within hours of her interrogation, she RETRACTED her statements in writing and gave it to the police. She wrote another, even stronger retraction in writing again the next day. Again, it was ignored by the police.
@@magsbaildon1124 I guess I just don't believe they could brainwash her. She was an adult who knowingly gave a false testimony to police. She even got to back and retell her story and was still found guilty by a jury of doing so. She didn't convince the court and she isn't convincing me.
@mytrip6991 when you say, the reason i lied is because someone else made me lie, that's an excuse, not a reason. They tricked her? They brainwashed her? They beat her mercilessly? What's the reason other than she chose to lie and make false statements to the police?
@@mike300rum "I didn't get gas for the car because I forgot" is an excuse. "I didn't get gas because we were snowed in by the surprise blizzard" is a reason.
Knox didn't "lie" as that requires knowing at the time that what you are saying is false. Knox did not know that. As she wrote in her Nov. 7 statement to the police:
[After giving account of the night of Nov. 1]"This is what happened and I could swear by it. I’m sorry I didn’t remember before and I’m sorry I said I could have been at the house when it happened. I said these things because I was confused and scared. I DIDN'Y LIE WHEN I SAID THAT I THOUGHT THE KILLER WAS PATRICK. I WAS VERY STRESSED AT THE TIME AND I REALLY DID THINK HE WAS THE MURDERER. BUT NOW I REMEMBER THAT I CAN'T KNOW WHO THE MURDERER IS BECAUSE I DIDN'T RETURN BACK TO THE HOUSE. "
Prof. Saul Kassin, the leading expert in false confessions, wrote a book called "Duped: Why Innocent People Confess" in which he covers the Knox case among others. His professional opinion is that she was the victim of a coerced/internalized false confession:
"An internalized false confession is a confession that results from external pressure and where the person comes to believe they committed a crime they did not commit. The person may not have a clear memory of the crime, but they accept that they did it.
Interrogators can take advantage of a suspect's lack of self-confidence or memory by using suggestive questioning and explanations for their memory gaps. The suspect may not realize they are being manipulated and may eventually come to accept guilt."
You are assuming that Knox CHOSE to lie and make a false statement. False confessions are not a CHOICE; they are coerced. And they happen far more often than most people think. In fact, according The Innocence Project, 25% of convictions that are later proved wrongful by DNA evidence included a false confession.
Professionals have to be trained to withstand such situations.
But someone who has help and support from a major celebrity and thinks they removed evidence is happy with fame and knowing they will soon have a book deal and be interviewed, allowed to further weave their web of non truths.
@@kafusada1041 Who is this 'major celebrity' you allude to and what evidence do you think was removed?
@The celebrity was our soon-to-be president. And she later showed ingratitude when she felt any alignment would hurt her popularity, when he became enemy number one by the mainstream media. So if you think 'trial by media'is a real concern of hers, tell me how did she actually help others who were vilified by the media? The answer is that she didn't and won't in the future. Many things weren't discussed in the media and I am from the same college and lived in the same neighborhood as this person you want to give the benefit of the doubt from. She had a lot of support so she has some nerve trying to throw a pity party for herself.
@ your snark is not unnoticed.
@ Pretty sure you're Amanda joining the conversation. Again. Please just take your win and move on.
Because we know you did it Honey.
We do? In that case, I'm sure you can list the evidence that supports her guilt.
@@dominikabanel340 As usual, you can't list the evidence because you don't know it.
I'd suggest you stop embarrassing yourself with this stupid, trolling behavior.
You cannot fake this depth of introspective intelligence.
@@magsbaildon1124 Nope, or the obvious and continual intolerance of people who don't like you ("MyTrip? Who would call themselves that???? Lol). It's hard not to be so outraged on behalf of Meredith Kircher, guilty of class, hard work, intelligence, to name a few of her qualities. I urge everyone: please do not give the benefit of the doubt to a housemate or roommate who makes you uncomfortable, you don't need 100% proof, better safe than sorry! We can have no idea the capabilities of certain individuals.
@@magsbaildon1124 how do you know?
I feel about this dude's manner of speech, how that one indian dude on seinfeld who was offered a snapple feels about snapple.
This sis has been through it, man. Hope she is finding peace at last and moving on from that nightmare. Amanda is smart and good looking; that can work against you in a place like Italy, the pope and Bronze Age morality, no thank you.
Beauty is as beauty does!....speaks volumes.
[ it's a luxury "to grieve" ]
That is a reality when you are in a foxhole of war.
Meredith is in a better place of no pain and no sorrow - it was not her ending - it was her beginning - so when we grieve, we need grieve only for ourselves.
Had to study about this woman in college. Will be needing her for the exam.
History is full of stories of forced confessions. Just because it did not look like a SAW movie doesn't mean it was not coerced. Oh, and 20 years old? That is a child. Sorry, not sorry.
I am not trying to pick on Italy because US is probably worse, in this regard.
So creepy how she changes her "mood"/face so fast around 1:08:58 when she first fake laughs and then immediately switches to stoneface aka "dropping the mask" (because she felt insulted by him). Creeeepy and classic psychopath/narcissist behavior.
Yes, diagnosing someone you've never met and are not qualified to diagnose is rather narcissistic and psychopathic. I hope the rest of us can steer clear of you.
Besides corrupt policing, this does well delving into the mess of Procedural versus Substantive Due Process, or international comparables rooted in human rights law. Substantive Due Process requires striving for an accurate result, whereas Procedural only on checking off a lawfare perverse dance card. OTOH, courts are so under-resourced relative to societal burdens on them, the time overload were more cases well litigated, could deny 90% of litigants access to courts, which amounts to a Catch 22. The only workable solution to that would require changing society such that people behaved better and needed less civil or criminal litigation.
As to cops, the very thinking that law needs to be precise and binary, combined with systems infested with incompetent and predator jerks, and political standards from above that often violate basic rights boundaries, do make all cops bad cops; even the ones who try to be good, but are part of broken systems. Again, that takes more mature society including no dirty politics driven black markets like those for drugs or sex (which both are human rights widely oppressed for rleigion rooted reassons), but where private security and violent conflicts driven by black markets create crime otherwise unlikely, and that's used as a political "get tough" campaign slogan that assumes voters don't recognize those same politicians as the primary root cause.
Also touched on but not drawn out in this interview, Scandinavian social policy does far better than US Calvinist vindictiveness, at recognizing that kicked dogs make poor neighbors, and 94% of inmates get out and are our future neighbors.
Esatto, cattivi poliziotti, pessimo PM , giudici carrieristi e due bravi ragazzi rischiano l'ergastolo !
What an ordeal
Yes, it was for Meredith!
Why did the Italian crime investigators get things so wrong from the very start?
Because they were under a lot of public pressure to solve the case, used their "intuition" and "gut feelings" instead of waiting for the forensic results, and had tunnel-vision.
@@mytrip6991 ...e gli imbrogli .
@@mytrip6991 ...e dopo un imbarazzante "errore" hanno vilmente rifiutato di correggersi ...
@@sertorio1040 Exactly! Saving face after their declaration of "Caso chiuso! was more important than the truth.
Sit sleep deprived in a US or Italian interrogation room, and you too will confess. Guaranteed if you're in your 20s..
In a foreign country with an interpreter suggesting you have traumatic amnesia, no lawyer and no recording or transcript.
Justice for Meredith
I agree. Thirteen years for murder was much too short a time in prison for Rudy Guede.
But who is the real victim?? Her “friend” Meredith! No tears for Meredith, but for herself, much tears😡😡😡
You expect her to still be crying in interviews over a girl she knew for 6 weeks and was murdered SEVENTEEN YEARS AGO? Get real.
@ she never cried for Meredith!! Never!! But there were fights over money and other things..because Amanda didn’t clean up, spended her money and had a bad behavior…So it became natural that she was jealous over other girls including Meredith!
@@rainbowwarrier1469 What a load of nonsense. If she never cried then Luca Altieri must have committed perjury when he testified in court:
"PROSECUTOR - Here, do you remember if Sollecito, at the police station, did he talk about this matter? What did he say?
WITNESS - Look, the only exchange was when we were going to the police station in my car, say, when he asked if she was dead. I was a little shocked by the question, I told him "yes". And then after he asked, if I’m not mistaken, how she died, you know, something like that, and then I explained what I had heard..."
"(Defense)LAWYER -... You said to Amanda: I heard that there is a girl... she was killed because her throat was slit AN SHE STARTED CRYING AS A RESULT.
WITNESS - YES."
There were NO fights over money. The ONLY person to ever claim a fight over money was Rudy Guede who was lying in order to pin the missing money on Knox. Kercher's purse had GUEDE'S DNA IN HER BLOOD ON IT. Her wallet and credit cards from it were never found. Knox had over $4500 in her bank account. She had no motive to steal from her roommate unlike proven thief Guede.
You don't know the facts of this case from the court records. You just repeat nonsense spread on the internet by people as ignorant of the case as you are. Either educate yourself on it by studying the court records or move on.
Luca Altieri testified on the day the murder was discovered that after telling Raffaele and Amanda that Meredith was dead and her throat had been cut, she began crying. There were no fights. Meredith did have to explain to Amanda that European toilets need extra wipe(s). Amanda is a clean person. Amanda did not spend Meredith's money. The police destroyed both Amanda and Meredith's computer hard drives, destroying the words and pictures of their friendship, including their recent trip together to the Perugia chocolate factory.
@@thomasmininger7405 It's amazing how the same false information is still being spread 17 years later by people who don't know the case facts but think they do. Dunning-Kruger at its finest.
Amanda is simply inspirational in her ability to look at bot the big picture of incarceration (whether just or unjust) and compassion for the impact on individuals. Especially how she managed to stay sane in a position where she had virtually zero control. So finding meaning in whatever she could do and refusing to let herself go under.
Justice is ofter the missing element of the justice system.
This guys voice is annoying.
total qween
To say nothing of the fact that he's giving a murderer a platform.
Every single interview I have ever watched with amanda knox has been a massive waste of my time. The fact of the matter is, is that their was a male fluid stain under the body that has not been tested even 17 years later --- WHY NOT?? And why wont Amanda ever discuss this? Why does no interviewer bring this up?
During the first trial, the excuses for not testing it given by the prosecution forensic officer was that testing it could compromise the pillowcase being tested for other things. She also said that it could be Giacomo Silenzi's who had a sexual relationship with Meredith. None of these made sense. The stain was big enough for multiple tests and why not test it to find out if it belonged to Silenzi, Sollecito, Guede or an unidentified man?
Sollecito's defense requested the suspected semen stain be tested in both the Hellmann and the Nencini trials. Both were rejected by the judges.
Amanda mentions it in her book on pp 509-510:
"In our appeal request, we asked the court to appoint independent experts to review the DNA on the knife and the bra clasp, and to analyze a sperm stain on the pillow found underneath Meredith’s body that the prosecution had maintained was irrelevant."
Mi piacerebbe che tu riuscissi a conciliarti coi fratelli Kercher , penso che la loro ostilità derivi in gran parte dal loro avvocato...
@@dominikabanel340 Lumumba é stato in carcere 10 giorni, Amanda 4 anni !
@@dominikabanel340 La polizia voleva che lei lo accusasse per risolvere il caso alla svelta . Forse tu non sai cosa significa essere interrogati
dagli inquirenti quando vogliono una confessione ( da sola , senza avvocato )...prova e lo saprai !
I want to know more about illiterate prisoners asking for help writing letters. These women were Italian? How many? I want to know how much illiteracy, please.
Often trafficked Nigerians or Romanian gypsies.
My guess would be even higher than that of the average Italian.
Amanda has no empathy at all
Selfish and narcissistic
@@rainbowwarrier1469 Both of you have repeatedly revealed your ignorance of the case facts.
And you in particular have been provided quoted and cited evidence disproving your many false claims which you just ignore.
@@rainbowwarrier1469Indeed, you have a very severe problem, I'm glad you recognize that.
I had forgotten about he and remembered her being called "foxy knoxy". I didn't know she was exonerated. Thanks for the interview.
Yeh, the nickname was a particularly cruel aspect of the news coverage. I mean, I was on boys' soccer teams, and we had some nicknames for each other that would have people running for the hills, lol.
@@brek5 According to friends, 'foxy' referred to her moving like a fox on the field. Of course it probably was used with the double-meaning.
The problem with Amanda Knox was her lack of empathy to the deceased roomate. She. was always smiling. This
raised suspicion on everybody.The reason she was this happy would be she was much. in love to her italian boyfriend. She just cried for herself when she was sentenced.
I'm always amazed at people who watch one or two selectively edited videos and then think they can determine how Knox felt and what she thought.
@mytrip6991 it was her behave. Her atitude through the process
@@jclgts10 Again, you think you know what she felt from the little you saw from only what the media chose to show you: whatever would get the most attention and sell. Smiling at her family as she sees them as she enters the courtroom was presented as her not caring about Meredith instead of her being happy to see her loved ones during a horrendous experience. Being angry instead of crying at the police station, which is a very normal reaction to a friend being murdered was, again, presented as her not caring and somehow abnormal.
I suggest you stop judging her on what you THINK she 'felt' and how you (and the media) interpret her behavior which is always through a bias of assumed guilt. Instead, focus on the facts, including that NO evidence supports she had anything to do with the murder.
@mytrip6991 It is not about how she felt. But how everybody else felt about her attitude...
@@jclgts10 "Everybody"? So "everybody" feels that way? Hmmm. I don't and neither do a lot of other people.
Again, you and this alleged "everybody" are assuming you know what her attitude was. You don't.
17 years later, you’re still guilty
Then you can present the evidence that proves that BARD? But I bet you won't.
@ There’s a lot of inculpatory evidence, DNA, eye witnesses, a degraded relationship with Meredith, inconsistent statements, a staged crime scene, but very little exculpatory evidence, no corroborative eye witnesses statements about her alibi. I imagine, could be wrong, that you’re American, and as an American you believe that anywhere outside of “God’s Country” is a kind of unsophisticated backwater, I’d be surprised if you’ve ever stepped out of your country.
@@marcushaysom4059 It's rather simple: There are two not complicated cases: The Meredtih Kercher case: Perpetrator Guede. The Amanda Knox case (victims also Patrick Lumumba and Raffaele Sollecito, also officially ECHR Knox c. l'Italie): Perpetrator "Italy". Without several violations of Italian laws and human rights NOBODY would have heard of Lumumba or Sollecito or Knox at all: NULLA, NIENTE, NOTHING, ZERO! Consequently your list of "inculpatory evidence", which logically wouldn't have emerged either, has been debunked long ago. For the established TOD Sollecito and Knox have indeed an alibi! BTW !'m not American and Italian's justice system is an European disgrace.
@ what was the “established” time of death? The pathologist, I believe, was prevented from conducting a full examination of the body and this has lead to some ambiguity regarding the so called “established” time of death, making an alibi a little moot.
@@marcushaysom4059 In point 6.2 Cassazione 2015 concedes the timeline provided by Sollecito's defence also regarding TOD and consequently an alibi. That means the state of digestion of the victim (still empty duodenum despite eating at 6 pm), the interrupted call to her mother at 9 pm, still wearing clothes and shoes coming from outside, no emptying of the full washing machine with her stuff, a just prior lent book lying scattered in the corridor instead of properly positioned in her room etc. This establishes the beginning of the attack immediately after her return at almost exactly 9:00 pm. We know from Guede's own admission that he was there since half past 8 pm. Witness testimony places Knox and Sollecito at his flat at 20 minutes before 9 pm and there is evidence of Sollecito's computer activity at around 9:30 pm! We know that they looked the film "Amélie", not really a stirring shocker. There is not the slightest indication that Knox and/or Sollecito have put one foot out of the door (and to suddenly turn into monsters by sozialize with any unacquainted and unfamiliar guy?)!
AGAIN more profound: Without violations of several human rights we wouldn't discuss "her alibi", because we wouldn't have noticed Knox at all!
You are not gong to be killed. You are the…….one who went lumumba to jail.
Going
It was the police who arrested and jailed Lumumba with ZERO forensic evidence against him and without doing anything to establish if he had an alibi. They rushed out and arrested him ONLY on the coerced statements of someone they considered a liar in the first place.
Amanda recanted both her statements within hours, but the POLICE IGNORED them because they could not admit they screwed up.
@@mytrip6991
The Jodi Arias of Perugia.
Does she ever feel bad about her roommate...
Yes, as she has expressed many times. But realize that she doesn't dwell on a roommate she knew less than 2 months 17 years ago and whom she did not kill.
@mytrip6991 now she feels bad.... not before tho.
@@Joules410 Why do you think you know how she felt then?
Is that why Luca Altieri testified on the day the murder was discovered that after telling Raffaele and Amanda that Meredith was dead and her throat had been cut, she began crying?
""(Defense)LAWYER -... You said to Amanda: I heard that there is a girl... she was killed because her throat was slit and she started crying as a result.
WITNESS - yes."
Is that why she fell apart the next day when she was taken to the cottage? From her testimony:
"LG: We heard that on that occasion, you had a crisis, a crisis when.
AK:Yes...
LG: A crisis of crying.
AK:Yes.
LG:Is it true? Do you remember?
AK:[Sigh, voice trembling] .... and then they wanted me to look at all the knives, and it made a strong impression on me, and all the emotion that I had been keeping inside me escaped, because I'd had this shock, this inability to understand what had really happened, and since I didn't want to accept it..."
On the 10th anniversary of Meredith's death, Amanda wrote an article "Mourning Meredith". In it she said,
"...there are some people who believe I have no right to mourn Meredith. They believe that I had something to do with her murder -- I didn't -- or that Meredith has been forgotten in the wake of my own struggle for justice -- she hasn't."
"Most depressing of all is that Meredith isn't here, when she deserves to be. She is painfully missed by everyone who loved her. I miss her, and I'm grateful for the memories of our time together."
@@Joules410 No response to my comment disproving your claim. No surprise there.
@mytrip6991 go back in time and watch her interviews
You remain convicted of slander because you did it. You said it. You destroyed a man’s reputation.
It was the POLICE who were convinced Lumumba did it because they misinterpreted her text to him "See you later" as a planned meeting later that night. The Chief of Police's statement to the press the same day shows that:
"Initially the American gave a version of events we knew was not correct. She buckled and made an admission of facts we knew were correct and from that we were able to bring them in. They all participated but had different roles."
Dissect that:
"Initially the American gave a version of events we knew was not correct."
Amanda's version was that she had been at Raffaele's all night...but the police "KNEW" that wasn't true. Why? Because Raffaele had told them she'd gone out. But, his description of events that night, when compared to the phone records and later witness testimony, could NOT have happened as he described.
"She buckled and made an admission of facts we knew were correct"
"To buckle: to bend under pressure or force". He's admitting that, under pressure, she agreed with the police who "knew" she had taken Lumumba to the cottage. But she didn't.
"They all participated but had different roles."
But none of them participated in Kercher's murder.
She did not "ruin Lumumba's reputation" as within two weeks he had been totally cleared and everyone knew it. He was seen as an innocent victim.
Uh, slander is a tort, not a crime. "Convicted of Slander" lol😂
@@mytrip6991 La polizia ha scritto la "confessione" e Amanda stremata l'ha firmata. Un PM "normale" avrebbe SUBITO messo a confronto Amanda
con Lumumba per risolvere il caso! Invece Mignini sapeva che era tutto falso e li ha tenuti separati per evitare che lei ritrattasse...un PM che si comporta in modo
assurdo, ma nessuno l'ha notato!
@@benjaminmyers5299 In the US, slander is a tort. Amanda was convicted of calunnia (criminal defamation) which is a crime in Italy punishable by prison time. She served 3 years for it.
@@sertorio1040 Yes, the statements were typed up by the police and she signed them.
An honest and competent prosecutor would have investigated to find out if Lumumba had an alibi before rushing out to arrest him and drag him in handcuffs to the station.
Get rid of this dude. DEI hire.
total qween
Amanda God knows the truth. Whether you are a person of faith or not know that. I am happy you were freed and sorry you were put thru this. And we thought American jails were tough.
Do you refer to the God that she herself has publicly stated she doesn't believe in? And that's no surprise; Hellbound people have reason to hide their heads in the sand.
I am not Meredith s ghost…..laughing?
Apparently evidence has no importance to you, only your interpretation of someone's appearance on television.
Amanda's False Accusation (lie, deception) with respect to Lumumba was the key to my believing she was deeply involved somehow in Meredith's murder. No other credible, or even possible scenarios, nor suspects have ever emerged. Based on my own reading, the research and discussions held by different true crime podcasts, I have only 1 possible scenario which may have occurred.
Unfortunately for Knox it does not exclude her presence during the murder. In the random dna and photographic analysis, there was DNA from at least 2 other, unknown individuals found in the flat. There were also shoeprints not matching those of the 3 accused. I strongly believe the break in was staged by Sollecito & Knox and that Meredith didn't let Guede in. If you look now at Amanda's having met an older cocaine dealer on train down to Perugia, then withdrawing large sums of cash in the weeks prior to the event, my hypothesis is that the cocaine dealer, who was later convicted of attempted murder with a knife, was also called or texted by Knox and asked to drop off cocaine for her, Sollecito and Guede to use. Perhaps due to Amanda's already owing this cretino money for prior cocaine deliveries, and perhaps her refusing his sexual advances, the early middle-aged cretinous low life attacked Meredith as punishment or extortion against Knox. The fatal wound profiles contradict this
scenario, but it could explain why Knox said she was so terrified in her original statements. I think by now, Amanda's family and husband know the truth. I'd imagine she explained it all to them, soon after her acqittal.
Sorry, but the "drug dealer connection" is a debunked lie itself and highly defamatory. Your assumptions are nonsense.
It's obvious one place you have NOT gotten your information from is the actual court records.
1. "No other credible, or even possible scenarios, nor suspects have ever emerged."
And why is that? Because NO evidence places ANYONE in that cottage the night of the murder except for RUDY GUEDE. No DNA, no fingerprints, no footprints. Nothing.
2. "Unfortunately for Knox it does not exclude her presence during the murder."
Really? Then you can present the evidence that DOES include her presence during the murder? Let's see it. But you won't because you can't. You'll just ignore this.
3. "In the random dna and photographic analysis, there was DNA from at least 2 other, unknown individuals found in the flat."
Wow! Because only criminals leave their DNA behind! Guests and friends simply don't touch anything! Nor does secondary DNA transfer occur. I guess that means that the DNA of the two unidentified males found on Kercher's bra hook must have directly touched it. You really need to educate yourself on DNA.
4. "There were also shoeprints not matching those of the 3 accused."
If they weren't in blood then there is no reason to think these ALLEGED shoeprints were connected to the murder. The ONLY shoeprints in blood belonged to GUEDE.
Your ignorance continues to be revealed:
5. "If you look now at Amanda's having met an older cocaine dealer on train down to Perugia, "
Sigh. She met him on a train to FLORENCE where she and her sister went BEFORE going to Perugia. No evidence showed any communication between them after she left Florence.
6. "then withdrawing large sums of cash in the weeks prior to the event,"
LOL! She withdrew money for rent and everyday living expenses as Italians usually pay with cash. Her bank records show she had over $4500 at the time of the murder. Not one single person EVER reported Knox buying drugs from anyone.
7. " the cocaine dealer, who was later convicted of attempted murder with a knife"
False. That was an associate of his who stabbed his own brother.
8. ", was also called or texted by Knox and asked to drop off cocaine for her, Sollecito and Guede to use."
Knox's phone records show NO calls or texts between her and the dealer. She saw the guy one night in Florence but you assume she even knew he sold cocaine.
In addition, hair tests of Knox and Sollecito upon their arrests were NEGATIVE FOR NARCOTICS, including cocaine. Hair NEVER loses traces of narcotics. Try again.
9. "I'd imagine she explained it all to them, soon after her acqittal."
You imagine a lot of things not based on any evidence. The more you comment on the case, the more you reveal your ignorance of it.
@ You’re totally brainwashed! Very very americano
@ why don’t you read the statements of Meredith’s friends, or read the book that Meredith’s father wrote, you brainwashed American who believes Americans knows everything better!
Why did Amanda changed her story so many times? Why did she hear Meredith’s screaming and later changed her mind and told something else? Her “Boyfriend” wich she knew just for a couple of days..”boyfriend” wich she really didn’t knew nothing about! Such naive behavior and acting like knowing everything better! Self centered jealous narcissist is what she are, still today playing the victim and earning plenty of money in the name of MEREDITH but still not paying Patrick Lumumba, BECAUSE HE WAS GUILTY? So Amanda still ignores that she has to pay him!
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We love you, Amanda.
Stop. Pray. And Pat for what you did to Lumumba
Pay. Falso testimonio. Deja de reír. Psicopata
THIRTEEN comments in a row that say virtually nothing. And when you did actually say something, it's ignorant bullshit.
Oh Amanda Knox, still trying to gas light people that she is innocent. Ironic. 😂
Agreed
The police knew who did it but he was an informant, so they tried to pin it on Amanda to protect their informant. You people who have convinced yourselves that Amanda is guilty have put way too much faith in true-crime podcasts.
@@benjamindover4337 one in particular is really bad, i had to unsubscribe.
@@benjamindover4337 yeah because cops fit up international students for murder to protect petty CIs. Christ this is dumb
She had no motive at all. The entire media frenzy was because of anti-americanism, sexism, and a desire for more salacious headlines.
I so admire Amanda for keeping her own story alive and making a successful industry out of it. She has walked a fine line perfectly. An opportunist in the best of terms.
A woman still fighting to clear her name, educate police, law students, lawyers and the public on how wrongful convictions and false confessions occur and fighting to get a law to make recording all interrogations mandatory isn't "opportunism".
@@dominikabanel340 You really are stupid.
Actually, incarcerating criminals DOES work, the current system doesn't work as well as it could/should because it's WAY too lenient. LEO's, DAs and judges do need to be held to a higher standard and be held more accountable but the majority of crime in the US is committed by serial criminals, who cycle in and out of prison with not much fear of getting caught or seriously punished for their next crime. And they are correct, they probably won't be caught and they won't be seriously punished if they are caught.
Iwanted to like her
What's stopping you-everyone else does.
Meredith Kircher just magically died.
It's 'Kercher'. And no, nothing 'magical' about it: She was sexually assaulted and murdered by Rudy Guede. Which is why HIS DNA is found in her body, on bra strap and the jacket she was wearing when attacked. Which is why it's his bloody shoeprints found around her body and is bloody handprint found under her body. It's why his DNA in Kercher's blood was found on her purse.
No, she was murdered by Rudy Guede...
It's rather callous of you to call having your throat cut by Rudy Guede dying "magically."😢
At the hands of the same magician who escaped Italy and went back to Seattle.
Some day the magician will be out of tricks.
@ Being acquitted is not 'escaping'.
Some day you may be out of stupidity, but I doubt it. Stupidity has a way of being eternal.
Surprised she hasn't tried to grift with an OF. Probably a good sign about her character.
Common thing?
She’s so beautiful. Just look into those eyes
That's why the true crime wine moms hate her so much
@@-Monad- is that why they’re nasty, wine hangover? The hate is palpable.
Maybe you should actually try for the first time?
Kafka😱
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AK doesn't strike me as a very bright person
I guess that's why she won an academic scholarship to her private high school? That's why she was on the Dean's List throughout HS and the Univ. of Washington from which she graduated?
Injustice? Was Meredith s murder
And it was an injustice to imprison 2 innocent people for four years.
The Italian Supreme Court, such as it is, disagrees with you.
Foxy Knoxy 🦊
She's a babe
You are mean Amanda
You are ignorant of the case facts and repeat proven disinformation despite evidence to the contrary being quoted and cited for you.
You're so jealous of a woman who is smarter and more beautiful than you.
How about faith and gatitude in the Lord Jesus.
Because Amanda is an atheist. Your faith is not shared by everyone in the world.
JC was a composite invented by the Romans, but if you chooae to believe otherwise, feel free.to be delusional.
we will NEVER know the truth.
But we do: Rudy Guede burglarized the apartment, Meredith came home, he attacked and killed her. That's what the evidence says.
On the contrary, attentive people already know it. Italy's "supreme" court let Barabbas go home to Seattle.
@@formerlyfromthefuton8171 You've revealed that you know nothing about this case.
The SC didn't release Knox. The first APPELLATE COURT (Hellmann) acquitted her in 2011 and that's when she was free to go home.
The Nencini Court, on the prosecution's appeal of Hellmann, convicted her again in 2014 and the Marasca Supreme Court definitively annulled the conviction in 2015.
Maybe you should learn the facts before pontificating on it.
@@mytrip6991
this guy's voice is intolerable. his qweeer lisp
Would.