Is Megatron a Seeker now? No seriously, what is a Seeker in TFP?
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- s a Seeker a race or an occupation? Can any Cybertronian become a Seeker through surgery if it is a race? Why are silver vehicons Seekers but not the purple ones? Transformers Prime and its books don't give an answer because even Cybertronians can't agree!
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Sorry for not posting much lately! I'll let you know that behind the scenes, I finished 15 videos so far for the TFP story game this month! The next discussion video will be all the Aligned Seeker characters and what happened to them!
The lion has awaken
So I have just started playing transformers battlegrounds
Yay!
Seekers! Transform and rise up!
@@everythingplacechannel I didn't get it because it seemed disappointing, is it worth it?
In the TFP episode where Smokescreen jumps off the Nemesis with the Omega Keys, Megatron became upset when he had thrown a four-wheeler overboard and shouted:
"Flyers, I need Flyers!"
He didn't say, seekers. I think this shows that he has an understanding that not every bot with wings onboard is a Seeker. At that moment a Seeker would've been better but he was so desperate that he didn't care if it was a regular flyer or a trained Seeker in pursuit of the Autobot.
Great point!
Especially since Smokescreen was falling to his death and Megatron only had a few seconds to catch him.
There’s also the episode where Wheeljack was about to be smelted, or at least seemed like it, and he asked one of the guards if he was a flyer before tossing him to use him as an escape method.
I always assumed Seekers were a specific group of flyers under Starscream's command. Like the Wreckers.
Same
In most continuities, its a specific body type and they are typically under his command
Or like the Wonderbolts from my little pony
TRUE DAT
Agreed
Prowl: seekers are super flamboyant!
Knockout: ARE YOU CHALLENGING ME!!
Knockout would definitely be quite the Seeker I think xD
Definitely :D
Raina Graveena his heels would be longer than Starscreams 😂
Theory: seekers are elite flying cybertronians. A normal flyer is something else, but seekers are trained in combat.
i'm thinking something like that, too. but the term 'seeker' is used by laymen cybertronians as an umbrella term, kinda like the words 'queer' and 'lgbt+' are used to describe those communities
"Is there anything inherently special about Seekers as a race?"
Yeah, they step WAAAY lighter than their size would indicate they do!
Personally, I think a Seeker Is just a flyer who either joined Cybertron's air defense before the war as a more skilled fligher, like how we have officers In our own armies. Or they're elite fliers picked out by Starscream, whether they're elite In combat or looks. After all he does like to Transform In style~
I always go for different race XD makes it more interesting imo.
@@berilsevvalbekret772 I think it’s both tbh
Daniel: TFP Seekers
The Cooler Daniel: WFC and FOC Seekers
Who's Daniel?
Daniel: G1 Starscream
The cooler Daniel: beast machines Jetstorm
You know it's true.
Here’s an idea that I have.
Only natural aerial bots can be seekers. Only the best fliers can be seekers. High quality aerial bots are created that way, those are seekers. There is a difference between a seeker and a false seeker, but that concept was lost in time. A true seeker is Vosian, made with the sole purpose of seeking, learning about and understanding Energon, Starscream being a perfect example.
A false seeker is not necessarily Vosian, they can be but might lack too many ‘Seeker’ traits.
Eccentric personalities are not specific to Seekers, as Dreadwing and Skyquake who I believe are true seekers clearly show.
Basically though, the term ‘seeker’ has been mixed and muddled over the course of the war. Starscream does not like this and so he also firmly refers to himself as a seeker.
He calls those drones seekers because they do fit into the traits of a seeker, they just aren’t Vosian, they can’t be anyway.
Another thing, seekers can be of different wight classes, just like planes on Earth have.
Starscream: Lightweight
Dreadwing: Heavyweight
As for Jetfire, he is a shuttle, not a seeker, maybe he was named an ‘honourary seeker’ by Starscream or something? Idk. But he ISNT a seeker in any way. Too big, too slow, too different.
So that’s my headcanon, I hope this fits in with your ideas
I think it's really interesting that even so long after this show ended, peeps are still talking super in-depth about it. Gud video!
I think for Megs it gets more complicated because he was also technically a war frame and also a miner beforehand, and chances are he may have undergone heavy frame modifications.
I feel like megatron is so high up in the chain of command seeker would be a down grade from Lord
Indeed
I’m a simple person
I see EK, I click
I think the term Seeker was originally used to describe their impressive ability to notice and seek things far easier than others. Hence why they were Energon Seekers. These white/silver jet vehicons were probably created with this trait and given to Starscream as a reward for the Omega keys.
Everywhere, seekers are high ranking 'bots from the military, because Bumblebee is head of the seekers in Shattered Glass.
Excuse Me, what
@@omarsalem1219 and some seeker ranked 'bots include: Blitzwing, Slingshot, the rainmakers, Slipstream, Jet fire, BM Thrust, Springer, Bumper, and Drift, just to name a few.
@@omarsalem1219
Shattered Glass is the Transformers equivalent of the Mirror Verse, where the good guys and bad guys have a role reversal, in this universe the Decepticons are the good guys while the Autobots are the bad.
In the greater Transformers Multiverse, the Transtech label the coordinates of these "Negative Polarity" universes with a negative number.
And it seems that the term seeker is always used by the bad guys in Transformers fiction.
Also fun fact: Shattered Glass started out as an April Fools joke by Fun Publications that received an unexpected high positive reception and became an actual series, which starts with a Heroic Cliffjumper ending up in this backwards dimension.
Mega trim could be a special version, like different division of seeker
Yeah but we’re talking about Megatron here
Omg mega trim
ALL HAIL MEGA TRIM!
@@ryanfarrelly4647 😃
Hmmm... I wonder if Seekers eat Sneakers🤔?
Better yet, do they eat snickers??? 🤨😂
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@@optimusprime1848 lol Merry Christmas 🥳🎄
@@NeziesStories And a Merry Christmas to you too!!! 🎄⛄☃️
Your wisdom proceeds you, Prime.
1:10 additionally, the War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron games were also going for designs that were basically updated versions of the G1 character designs, hence why Starscream, Thundercracker and Skywarp all share the same body, just in different colours schemes.
The same applies for Ironhide and Ratchet, which is also in keeping with how Ironhide and Ratchet looked in G1 - the same body but with different colours and Ratchet having a slightly different head.
Even then, wouldn't they also be recolors if they were to appear in transformers prime? Cuz imo, almost every continuity has them looking the same, so..
7:59 This, of course, aplies to any cybertronian with wings, be they flying 'bots or not.
I’d always thought of the Seekers as being elite spec-ops that had a specialty in recon/exploration and scientific discovery. Their apparent importance would come from being the group primarily responsible for scouting the galaxy and extending Cybertron’s influence to other worlds for the purpose of establishing energon mines and possibly rediscovering the colonies after the space-bridge network went down.
What the scrap did you just freaking say about me, you minicon?
I'll have you know i graduated top of my class in the Seeker squadrons. And have been involved in numerous secret raids on the Decepticons.
I love how in depth you go into the lore of tfp, it's amazing how much there is to know learn and share about prime, and would I be able to get a shout-out from you
I’ve seen a lot of fan art depicting Knock Out as a seeker, and plenty of fan fictions have him as a former flyer/seeker who decided to change into a grounder. The reason why varies between writers. I for one can totally see this becoming canon if the franchise decides to put a Knock Out similar to the one in prime in a future cartoon…..
In my opinion there is at least a few different types of seekers and I do see them as a race, Seekers like Starscrem and I suppose Soundwave(I'm not sure where to put Soundwave in this) are full breed seekers, while bots like Dreadwing/Skyquake and Megatron are what I like to call Grounder-Seekers, so half breeds[This is just my little opinion, I could be wrong]
Actually, Soundwave used to be a Grounder but underwent surgery to become a Flier, just like Megatron did. So Soundwave is not really a Seeker, much less a full breed Seeker.
In fact, the only legitimate Fliers in Prime (excluding the Predacons as they are a different race/species) are the three Seekers, Dreadwing, Skyquake and Starscream.
Everyone else either underwent surgery to become Fliers (Megatron, Soundwave, Flier Vehicons) or their flight mode is a helicopter (Airachnid) which is accessible for Grounders, like Blades in Rescue Bots.
In other words, Starscream and the Seeker Twins (I like to call them that) would technically be the only "full breed" or "pure" Seekers and even Fliers in Prime.
Heck, even in RID, Windblade is not a "pure" Flier, as she started out as a Grounder but was given wings and thrusters by Primus.
Whirl in Rescue Bots Academy also turns into a helicopter, making it uncertain if she's to be regarded as a "true" or "pure" Flier or not. And Hot Shot is a Grounder who got more modes including a plane with the help of a special insignia thing that allows for multi-changing.
All other flight-capable bots that are flight-based from creation are those beast Decepticons (and some Mini-Cons like Laserbeak), and I think some of the Cons in Cyclonus' group as well.
But otherwise, the three Seekers I mentioned are the only "true" Fliers, having been created as Fliers from "birth".
Huh. Maybe Seekers ARE a rare race after all... if it is to be regarded as a race, that is.
At least true Fliers do indeed seem to be pretty rare.
Jets, I mean. Not helicopters (wannabe-Flier Grounders) or beast-formers.
@@Rubywing4 I did not have the energy to read all of that but thanks😆
@@hybrid-Sage6336 lol sry I tend to get carried away and write an entire novel in one comment without realizing it XD
@@Rubywing4 its cool
@DIO Brando Because there all Cybertronian, just like were all human but all look and speck differently
Back in the 80’s SEARS toy catalog labeled the jets as “Seekers”
To me, any cybertronian who has a jet mode and is a gifted fighter is a seeker. So in my head cannon Megatron and soundwave are both seekers because they have jet vhiecle mode and are a talented fighter.
You hit rock bottom
I was legit wondering what warranted this criticism, until I saw that profile lmao
Sorry, I can’t hear you under all that rubble!
😂
Seekers called that because there good at seeking/things things is so funny to me and idk why.
I think he wasn't ORIGINALLY a seeker. Back in the old days of cybertron, he was actually a tank for the most part, until metroplex crushed him up. After that, Soundwave repaired Megatron with a new body, and now his alt mode is now a jet. (while yes, it is classified as a tank, it's probably due to them not wanting to change Megatron as a playable character too much from the first cybertron game anyway.)
However, he technically isn't considered one at all, considering he doesn't have the same body style as starscream.
Edit: watch the full video and um... damn. Still doesn't make him a seeker, shit..
Not sure if that's the origin of his jet mode but he was a tank who upgraded his body to fly
And I prefer it he is able to do much more as a flyer
Never clicked faster in my life
The Bayverse (which the Aligned continuity has... "tried" to incorporate) has Jetfire identify himself as a Seeker, stating that it was their purpose to seek out new energy sources to be harvested. Perhaps the "modern-day " Seekers are a sub-class/branch of bots who retain some design vestiges of this seemingly long-forgotten purpose? So while not all flyers would not necessarily be Seekers, the innate sensory enhancements, and energy tracking capabilities of Seekers would probably make them highly prized additions to the militarized airforces as trackers and Hunter-Killers.
Following this line of thought, then, No - Megatron would not be considered a Seeker, despite being modified for flight, etc because he is simply not "of the right blood" (...energon?).
Perhaps Starscreams "Seeker Armada" of flying drones did have some sort of design/genetic link back to the "true" Seeker line, or perhaps by the time the show takes place, "Seeker" has lost its original connotations (like the Sith (Race) & the Sith (Faith) in Star Wars)
.... Or maybe Starscream has delusions of grandeur and is show-boating. :)
I totally agree with the energy-seeking part, that would make sense for them to be called Seekers, and especially Starscream calling his old group "Energon Seekers".
I think Energon Seeker is a Scientist class of Fliers in the video games, but I've always had the idea that the Energon Seekers was a sub faction that Starscream was part of before the Autobots and Decepticons. This faction might have collapsed as they all joined the Decepticons (excluding Jetfire, unless you go by the book (literally), in which case including Jetfire).
I like to imagine Megatron using Starscream as an energy-seeking dog of some kind XD
Or that Megatron is using the Seekers to "seek out" Energon. Like bloodhounds. Or Energon-hounds, I guess. XD
Though the energy-seeking enhanced skill might something they've learned through training, and they might be better at seeking because of how their race is made? Perhaps because of the traits EK mentioned?
I've been thinking a lot about Seekers, Starscream and Cybertronian society today, and now I've got an idea regarding Starscream's past, specifically his questionable "scientific career".
In Exodus, it says that Starscream spent much of his scientific career in Crystal City.
What if Starscream's so-called "scientific career" is actually his time in school?
Crystal City is pretty much a science city, and is well known for its Crystal City Science Institute. This is likely where Starscream has spent his scientific career.
But an institute is a school, and since Starscream is said in the book to NOT be a scientist, his scientific career is probably just the basic science he learned in school! XD
This would also make sense if, in order to become a Seeker, he needs to have both scientific knowledge and military training, to become one of the best Fliers on Cybertron.
So basically, after emerging from the Well, Starscream was put in the high caste because he's a flight frame and thus can do whatever the heck he wants, and he decides he wants to become a Seeker.
In order to do that, he starts with going to Crystal City Science Institute to learn science (probably struggling a bit because of some underlying mental issue) and after some years he graduates (whether being excellent or just above average) and gets his science degree.
Afterwards, he goes to military school and learns fighting, defense, strategy, formation and everything, and this is where he really thrives. Having already done science, he knows some things about math, calculations and stuff which probably helps him with the fighting, and he probably has a lot easier to do well with moving his body because of his natural agility and stuff. And also that he's a flight frame so there's probably some advantages there as well.
Starscream graduates from military school with flying colors (no pun intended) and gets his military degree (is that a thing?), and now he has trained both his mind and his body (actually a pretty good combination of education, I like where this is going). So now he's ready to become a Seeker.
Starscream returns to Vos (assuming the military school was elsewhere) and applies to become a Seeker. However, while he has met the requirements of military and scientific knowledge, he still has to pass a test, maybe a trial of sorts, consisting of three or more tests. Trial of the Seeker. (lol)
In this Seeker test/entrance exam, Starscream has to perform excellently, using both science and military training to get through some obstacle courses or something. The test is very hard, but he manages to pass and joins the Energon Seekers.
After becoming a Seeker, Starscream does... Seeker things. Flying, military, science, gets a good paycheck, he can do whatever he wants. And he does so well with Seeker stuff that he gets promoted over and over, until hey! He's the Air Commander now, which means he's the leader of the Seekers and thus the best Seeker and Flier on Cybertron! Congratulations!
And maybe while you're at it, go into politics and get lots of votes so you get appointed leader of Vos as well (Winglord for the fandom). Congratulations! You have a lot of power!
Now Starscream is the leader of Vos and the Air Command, and he's enjoying the luxury of being leader. Then he gets contacted by the High Council to go study some Dark Energon on Trypticon Station.
Then he becomes Sentinel Prime's bodyguard and earns his trust until he's bored and wants to become Prime himself, so he secretly supports Megatron until it's time to secretly imprison Sentinel on the moon. Then he goes to space to study Dark Energon.
Then Shockwave becomes leader of Tarn, and Vos and Tarn start arguing like they did in the old days. Then Shockwave convinces Starscream to bomb Tarn to seek out some Autobots hiding there.
Oops, Vos just got vaporized from a mysterious missile (probably from Tarn).
But Starscream isn't present because he's in space, but he's shocked over Vos' destruction, probably getting pretty pissed at Shockwave because he tricked him (or something).
Then Starscream's just chilling in space until Megatron decides he wants the Seekers and Dark Energon, so he invades Trypticon Station and forces the Seekers to join the Decepticons by force. Starscream may or may not have been present, depending on whether you're reading the book or playing the game (but he probably wasn't present, checking on Sentinel on the moon in the book).
So now Starscream's become Megatron's pet, starting as a pit bull but ended up as a chihuahua after learning he can't beat Megatron in a fight, so now instead he settles on being a second-in-command, but he really REALLY wants to be a leader again, so he waits for the right opportunity, but as time passes, his confidence and self-esteem decreases as his relationship with Megatron is eternally bad, he has no friends and no one cares to listen to him except for the Vehicons and other bottom-hierarchy troopers.
They cruise through space until they land on Earth where they continue fighting the Autobots, until Megatron decides to go to space, Starscream's in charge, he's happy for three years, then Megatron returns and Starscream is sad.
But then Megatron dies and Starscream is happy again for a few months until Megatron returns to life, then Starscream becomes sad again. Then he leaves the Decepticons and gets lonely, occasionally helping the Autobots. Then he loses the ability to transform and is miserable.
Then he gets the Omega Keys and returns to the Decepticons and is happy again. Then Shockwave returns and Starscream is sad again. Then a Predacon arrives and Starscream gets anxious.
Megatron dies, Starscream gets depressed, Megatron returns, Starscream is happy, then disappointed as Megatron is not Megatron but instead possessed by Unicron, and Starscream becomes more anxious than ever. Then Megatron is freed and Starscream is happy, but Megatron disbands the Decepticons and Starscream is confused.
Starscream is happy again because he is now leader of the Decepticons, but then gets anxious as he gets confronted by the Predacons.
He may or may not end up in a coma afterwards, depending on whether we go with RID or Mercy.
And that is the life of Starscream.
Too long no one’s going to read all that
@@thatoneguy944 I've made several long comments on this channel, and there have been people who read it all and replied back that they did.
You're *that one guy* who doesn't read long comments. ;)
@@Rubywing4 well i read it :) actually- i had to skip a bit at the end as it is spoilers for me but thank you for the comment!! i enjoyed it
@@ivuriexo You're welcome^^
I read it all and...gosh, just...he was a prodigy, a gifted being who earn his life fairly just for fall and not rise again like the master he was. Look at that life of achievements: got science degree, a military degree and honours, then he was interested in politics, and then...WAR, and then the glory fly away. The story of a glorious STAR who is consumed by the time, and inevitably, as stars do, die while it's/his SPARK consumes itself, his body by war, and his mind.
I feel like the seekers are more akin to samurai as a warrior class which would explain why skyquake and dreadwing regard honor very highly.
I always thought of seekers as a military force with a uniform (cockpit in the chest) and were recognizable that way.
Love your content bro keep it up!
Megatron: I'M NOT SEEKER!
New head cannon fresh ofc the presses, Seekers, are flying cybertronians that are specifically trained to fly in a skilled and tactical manner, this doesn’t mean that they are soldiers, just that they where TRAINED to fly WELL, Starscream says he led a squadron of energon Seekers, so that means that some Seekers where trained to find new deposits of energon when old ones ran out and where being refilled by the core, on the opposite side of that coin is the ‘Armada’ of Seekers that Dreadwing led, being in a Armada implies very heavily that Dreadwing and his brother where apart of the military, meaning that some Seekers could be trained in combat flight, and obviously this also applies to Seeker scientists, they are simply Seekers that are trained to be scientists.
On the other hand “Flyers” are simply cybertronians who can fly, but are untrained, or trained poorly, thusly we can infer that the Flyers that Starscream doesn’t call Seekers are simply that “Flyers” and that the Seekers that he calls Seekers are actual trained elite soldiers who earned the rank of Seekers.
I'm pretty sure seeker is just the name for a military organization. Kinda like how you would call people who work in law enforcement cops, coppers, police, the popo, etc. I like to think that starscream calling the new silver vehicons seekers was more or less a heat of the moment thing, because of the emotional build up to him taking flight and his anger at Optimus for destroying the omega lock, essentially making starscream accept these new vehicons as his fellow seekers.
I can imagine Starscreams lame excuse is " I identify as a seeker!"
Nice Misato pfp lol
Im always super happy when you upload. One can only rewatch the Emperor's older videos so many times.
this channel deserves more views and subs
Here's a thought, mabye the difference between a seeker and a non-seeker is in how their brain modules function. It would kinda be like the distinction between a male and female transformer's brain modules.
If they don’t look like Starscream, which most of them do, they almost likely aren’t a seeker
I think it is both title/occupation, and also a race or rather sub-race. How I mean this is that in the start it might have been a catch all term for all flight capable bots, though in the early series I think flight capable an combat ability was a hallmark of being a decepticon over a autobot, but than over time it began to mean specifically the elite or natural born flyers. Kinda like how in real life you had in the past the Scandivians that made up people from the areas around Norway, and within these groups you had the Vikings specifically, but over time it seemed that all Scandivians began to be called Vikings. I can see how also such a title that was seen as being quite prized might change in perception to being seen as am omsult, as in the past Witch used to mean "wise women" yet began to be seen as a evil women later on making it into a insult.
I like the silver seekers they look so cool.😍
I believe you were on the right line when you talked about caste;
the complete title is Energon Seeckers, as in "the one that search for energon" and weknow that being capable of flight is a great advantage on that
my theory is that all transformers with a natural inclination to flight will naturally gravitate thoward a flight-capable form as they take their first alternate, and at this point will be induced into a primary-school level of instruction about possible roles. this is where ground-bound transformers wil, at large, trace the line, with bots that have different charattheristic, like beastformers and triple changer not being called seeckers
after that, i'd vager there would be a working class division, with the best fliers going on to a higher level of competence-based roles and call themselves seeckers, while the others will moove thoward other roles that more closelly fits to them, and will not call themselves seeckers
bot that were not born with the aptitude of flight (or missed some connection where it comes to have a working flight-capable form) and gained the ability later in life never went throught the process, so they are most certantly not seeckers
the veicon silver squadron went throught a seeker-foussing training/programming, and that is why starscream calls them seecker
For me the seekers are like a division in the flying army of the deceptics, as well as the Aerialbots on the side of the Autobots, and in both cases they are considered as siblings or a family.
i like to imagine all the seekers have different body/jet proportions sort of like the g1 cone heads having different wing designs
Thank you my emperor you mentioned prowl
Mabye a seeker is a Cybertronian
who was originally forged with a jet alternate mode, not ones who got a jet mode later in life. And like some other class titles in life, the Seeker title can be thrown out or replaced.
That could be a possibility.
Could you do a video on cybertronian mental health in the alligned community? I don't mind it not being anytime soon though, I know you're super busy! Loved the video, and the headcannons.
YES! A Cybertronian mental health video would be awesome!
He already mentioned mental health in one of the Q&A videos though, but getting a video on Cybertronian mental health would be super cool.
Especially as there are many to analyze their minds of, Starscream just being one of them. There's also Arcee, Whirl, Knock Out, Soundwave, Megatron, Shockwave... well, everyone, pretty much, actually. XD
Shoutout to neurodiversity!
Once again, your voice has given me a great start of the day despite you being a dude
Honestly I love the different vehicle mode different race dynamic. Makes it more interesting. For me at least.
Seekers are the highly skilled flyers. They are considered as an occupation and as a race. Seekers are flyers that understand how they are built and can manipulate their body to fly with precision
I’m thinking you have to be born a Seeker, and maybe that’s why Megatron and low-class Vehicons don’t get that label?
It is funny how yesterday I was explaining how megatron and soundwave aren't seekers
Feel like if your a natural flyer your sent to the Seeker Armada but if you became a flyer by choice which an example would be Knockout becoming a jet he would have to be chosen by Starscream whether would he be a seeker or not(Just think this way)
If Meg's was a seeker then he would be under starscream command
Cha cha real smooth
i see it this way:
Seekers and any other named ground/air unit are the "truckers" of the transformers biological heirarchy. Equipped for long missions, more control of their alt modes and specific tactics developed by themself spread to others, they are a bit more qualified for stuff like that.
Flyers are like people who walk or bike. You wouldn't trust them to cross long distances or get in dogfights, but you'd trust them to shoot a gun or to punch someone's lights out.
the triple changers they are cybertronians with more than one vehicle mode like broadside which as both a yet and a boat even If nobody seems to talk about I'm animore which is a shame because he is such an interesting character. 😢😅
Great video. I play a lot of Pokemon and I heard about trainer classes on TH-cam different kinds and styles of Pokemon trainers. I made up my own trainer class called Seekers with the transformers in mind. As a way of kind of bringing my two favorite fandoms together. And I chose to call my trainer class seekers because out of the Transformers the seekers were always some of my favorites.
I'm guessing the Seeker Trainers exclusively train flying/bird Pokémon, like Skarmory, the starter birds and such? ^^
Actually, I think Skarmory sounds a lot like Starscream, and it would probably be what Starscream would be if he turned into a Pokémon. :D
@@Rubywing4 Yeah that's actually why Scarmory is one of my favorite flying types because it's like TFP Starscream the Pokemon. And I was actually thinking that the seeker type trainers don't have a specific Pokemon they use they just like to seek out rare pokemon with moves or abilities that could give them an advantage but do like to have at least one flying type on their team. And seeker trainers tend to use sneaky strategies in battle like useing status conditions to their advantage. And seeker trainers tend to get involved with and sometimes join evil team like Team Rocket. But will usually not be loyal to the evil team and play them for their own agenda then leave them once their goal has been reached.
@@Knock0ut-Starscream Maybe they could have their own team called Team Seekers.
Btw, have you seen MandJTV's video on his own Pokémon team, Team Pixie Dust?
It's really interesting and good.
@@Rubywing4 Cool I'll have to check that out sometime. And yeah that could be a cool idea.
Similar to real world fighter pilots, an ego seems to be common, as is excellent spacial awareness and peripheral vision. I will also say a lighter build would be in order, as flying heavy materials takes more energy then flying lighter materials.
0:57 so does that mean triple changers is like a rare gene.
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I would say that seeker is a label. In the covenant of Primus guidebook to the Aligned Continuity, they do explain that Cybertron did have a social issue in the past, Alt-modism. The belief that a bot's worth and therefore his place in the social hierarchy is decided by his alternate form. under that belief, those who could turn into jets were always selected to be either scientist or part of the cybertronian air force. These latter were the ones called seekers and they were the elite. They would have better treatment, privileges, etc.
I believe the reason why Starscream doesn't call Megatron a seeker is because Megs got modified later in life to become a spaceship. In the first two novels and the War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron video games, Megatron turned into a tank.
In the first novel they even say that Megs didn't have a name at the beginning of life, they just gave a number and sent to work in the mines of Kaion.
I like the idea of jets having certain behavioral quirks in fanon, because I LOVE fanon, but only if every alt type gets their own little quirks. My jokey hcs for two-wheelers come from the fact that motorcycles are called 'hogs,' ie two wheelers have cute boar characteristics in the same way fanon likes to make seekers birds. This might include affectionately brushing against comrades and an acute sense of smell. Big, strong, friend shaped bots (like Bulk or BD) making elephantine rumbling noises and fighting 'mourning instincts.' I dunno. I just like giant robots having cute, individualizing mannerisms I guess.
This is an adorable concept, we should have more behavorial quirks according to frame types.
Fom what I can tell. The difference between seekers and regular flying cybertronians is that seekers treat flight like a lifestyle and not just a mode of transportation. They don't like being in a position where they can't fly
from my knowledge seekers are the most skilled flight capable deceptions who are directly under starscream's command
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No, Megatron isn't just a seeker, he's
noun
noun: seeker; plural noun: seekers
a person who is attempting to find or obtain something.
"a tenacious seeker of the truth"
I always thought that seekers were called that becaouse of their body types. They can come in different sizes and weights but they all have similar traits, like being small planes or jets.
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Lesser orange
Yeah because honestly it just looks like a tiny orange
I am currently working on a fic set in Starscream's past (as a prequel to my Autobot!Starscream fic), and I decided to flesh out the details of the Seekers as a faction more.
We already know there's the Air Commander, Captain and Sky Commander ranks (the last one from the video games), but those can't be all there is.
So I decided to come up with a ranking system for the Seekers as a military, including the Sky Commander title from the video games.
Since the Sky Commander is basically the "leader" of the Seekers, and Starscream is addressed as an Air Commander after joining the Decepticons, my guess is that the Sky Commander title was simply abolished, perhaps to signify that Starscream falls below Megatron in status.
Anyways, here are the Seeker ranks:
Academy student = Fliers/Seekers normally have to attend Seeker Academy for 5 years before being able to join the Seeker army as Cadets.
Cadet = New Seeker, usually fresh out of the Seeker Academy, is part of a small group of 5 other Cadets and overseen by a First Major or a Third Major substitute, Cadets are usually promoted after 2 years of training, but geniuses may be promoted after 1 year of training. If a Cadet remains a Cadet after 4 years and still fails the exam, they will be kicked out of the Seeker army. They are called First Cadet and Second Cadet, Third Cadet and Fourth Cadet if they are bad.
Novice = Rookie Seeker, above Cadet, part of a small group of 5 other Novices and overseen by a Second Major or Third Major, Novices usually are promoted after 5 years of training, talented ones may be promoted after 4 years of training, geniuses may be promoted after 3 years of training. They are called First Novice, Second Novice, Third Novice, Fourth Novice and Fifth Novice.
Officer = Generic Seeker, the main part of the Seeker army, usually grouped in smaller armies overseen by a Captain and a Lieutenant. Officers are the most expendable Seekers but are competent fighters and/or scientists, runs errands and patrols when not fighting. Officers are usually grouped together into smaller Trines.
Major = Officer that has potential for leadership, stationed away from their assigned division to train groups of Cadets and Novices and get them promoted into Officers. When a Major successfully graduates an entire Cadet class into Novices - no failures - he/she will be promoted from First Major to Second Major. First Majors train Cadets, Second Majors train Novices. When a Second Major successfully graduates an entire class of Novices into Officers, he/she will be promoted to Third Major, which makes the Seeker a candidate for a Lieutenant position. Third Majors have to graduate more than 50% of their classes to a higher rank in order to keep this candidate position, if less than or equal to 50% of their classes graduate, the Third Major's position will be re-evaluated and possibly demoted to Second Major and possibly even First Major.
Lieutenant = Superviser of the Seeker armies and paired with Captains. Each Captain has a Lieutenant as a second-in-command, sometimes two if in a Trine thus called First Lieutenant and Second Lieutenant, in case the Captain is busy or absent. If something happens to the Captain, the Lieutenant will be promoted to Captain and have a Major assigned as his/her own Lieutenant. If there are two Lieutenants, the First Lieutenant will take over as Captain, the Second Lieutenant becomes First Lieutenant, and they may or may not add a Third Major as a Second Lieutenant. Lieutenants also help the Captain file reports on Cadets and Novices. *First Lieutenant in the Decepticons is a different rank from First Lieutenant in the Seekers.*
Captain = Commander of a single Seeker army of a certain section of the Seeker bases/territories, has a Lieutenant as a second-in-command for assistance. Each section has a Captain assigned to lead the army within, assigning tasks to the Seeker Officers, leads the army into battle and takes care of trivial business as well, such as rescue missions, espionage, patrol, science and exploration. Captains also sit as candidates for a position in the Seeker Council/Air Command, as Air Commanders. The Captains may be part of a Trine with other Captains, his/her Lieutenant(s) and/or a Major, but they are often Trineless.
Air Commander = Second highest rank among the Seekers, part of the Seeker Council. There are seven Air Commanders, some specializing in military and others in science, some even in stealth. The Air Commanders make the most important decisions together with the Sky Commander, and some may be part of Trines. There are always two Air Commanders together with the Sky Commander in the Leader Trine. When the Sky Commander title is abolished after merging with the Decepticons, Air Commander is now the leading title, but this causes some minor chaos among the Air Commanders, whether they are all to be leaders or to be demoted to Captains.
Sky Commander = Leader of the Seekers and head of the Seeker Council with seven Air Commanders. The Sky Commander commands all the Seeker armies and the Captains in major battles and in war, but lets the Captains and Lieutenants take care of more trivial stuff like recruitment and training. The Sky Commander may also be the Wing Lord of Vos and is thus a major political leader among the Fliers. If something happens to the Sky Commander, the Air Commanders will vote for who will be the next Sky Commander. The winning vote will be presented to the Seeker armies for approval before the final decision is made. A Captain will then be selected as a new Air Commander, a Lieutenant will become a Captain, and a Third Major will become a new Lieutenant. The Sky Commander has a Leader Trine with two other Air Commanders that go with the Sky Commander everywhere. The Sky Commander may visit the various armies, classes and the Seeker Academy to view their progress, deliver messages or embark on expeditions or journeys to embassies in other citites for political purposes. The Sky Commander is always the best Seeker in the army and takes a lot of effort and trust to become.
...And that's all I got on the ranks. I like how it turned out, and I've been putting quite a lot of effort into this and working it into my story as I only just recently came up with it, while I've had this story lying around for over a year now.
What do you think? :)
These all sound really cool! Where will you be posting your story on?
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I know this might sound stupid, but I think that "seeker" as a term is similar to how descriptive and sometimes even derogatory terms are applied irl (though not entirely, I'll elaborate on that) , seekers are less a race or profession and more a conglomerate of all transformers that can fly or are based on jet fighters. While the term itself could have other connotations, like for example being a job or a caste, the term itself has evolved into involving all jet based transformers, and what we are seeing with aerialbots refusing to use the term "seeker" could be an even further evolution of the usage of this term, it seems like it is starting to be related to the Decepticons too, this term being used both with a racial and political connotation could have pretty bad implications in my opinion. By that I mean that, for example, an aerial bot could work all his life with the autobots and try not to be a "seeker", but at the end of the day his peers will see him as one and associate him to those seekers he's trying to alienate himself from, since to them the term not only means "jet bots working for the bad guys", but just "jet bots" in general, making them the same as the other "seekers", kinda like that "I am X group of people, but i'm not like those other X group people" attitude that one sees from time to time irl.
Again, this sounds rather stupid but i thought that it might be a good addition to this argumen about what the hell are seekers.
I would refer any bot that has a jet nor flying ult seeker because it there ult mode
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I have an idea why Megatron was more blocking in the past because he had his tank alternate mode still what if the points just got sharper to be more aerodynamic to fly through the air and space easier when he got his jet mode Think about it tanks are more blocky while Jets are more smooth with points for some what if it works for Cybertronieins
megatron might be just doing that to take scream down. i think im the only one who thought that-
No I come from that generation transformers continuity but need to remind you that Megatron is no seeker.
Starscream and Jetfire=former
Decepticons air seeker.
Air seekers go out and find Energon resources for Megatron and are the "Air force military branch" of the Decepticons.
Personally, seeker just sounds like a SF group
Also the seekers might be like American Marines, and you just don’t lose the label and they aren’t like the landing forces the army uses
What is an SF group?
So maybe Soundwave wears his visor to see better at long-range, like people who wear glasses to compensate for their near-sightedness?
I’d rather look at the seekers as a group of elite fliers, every seeker is a flier but not all fliers are seekers. They probably used this group for military used on cybertron. Some races of fliers were probably more skilled or talented to be built at flying than another and may have dominated the most of the seeker ranks for example starscreams body type. Exceptions of other types of fliers who were part of the seeker organisation/ranking/group were bots like sky quake and his bro.
U do get other type of fliers but usually they don’t end up being seekers maybe because their t cog may not be accustomed to take on proper jet flying forms such as sound wave and arachnid or even megatron (who may have possibly either done surgery orrr his t cog may have flexibility to scan both ground and flying types)
In conclusion I just believe seekers were an elite group of fliers. Every cybertronian has a unique t cog, some are more accustomed to flight, some ground and some maybe a bit of both depending on the flexibility of there tcog.
Seeker's are a core of natural flyer's trained in certain fields only flyer's could have an advantage in. So most of the time scientific, and the lower percentage air defence patrols after the whole Quintason invasion... being a flyer has to be the only form they have ever known. The purple vheeacon's are all clones of the same original, so the flyer's are technically modified.
The silver on the other hand... don't give the impression of clumsy guesswork. Inexperienced in actual battle yes, however they were slightly more effective when you consider how strong the enemies got...
Energon Seeker's could find and or study Energon. They would be trained extensively in evasion considering the cosmic horror stories told on Cybertron; for their own safety.
So it's safe to say all natural flyer's would be given atleast basic training and the choice to go further given Starscream's Pride and the twins sense of honour tied to their own pride. I can deduce Seeker's are a proud people who would not want for weakness in their ranks.
Very few natural flyers would have been out cast... if any.
Of course this is only theoretical based on logic and some circumstancal evidence... Seeker's would have been a parallel to cybertronian civilisation. Likely outcast yet kept close if only for their usefulness. Kept at arms length treated as colleagues instead of friends which would explain why it was so easy for most of them to join the Decepticon rebellion.... as very few of them would have been treated normally by other cybertronians outside their format as a natural flyer.
For me the Seekers are probably more of the Special Forces branch of the larger Cybertronian Airforce and that the Seekers themselves being an elite unit within Cybertron's Airforce, is a very well respected and prestigious position which is why even after the collapse of the old government the term Seeker is still being used as the name itself has a lot of reputation kinda like how in some Military's today they continue to name certain military units with names such as for example the British *Grenadier* Guard which historically a british grenadier was a type of elite shock heavy infantry soldier trained to use grenades and to break up enemy formations but now in modern times the Grenadier Guard is a light infantry organization but still uses the name *Grenadier* as it has a elite status associated with it
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While it's a very confusing topic and I'm not sure what the actual Canon is, my own headcanon is that seekers are specially trained groups of flyers.
I think TFP is around ten years old now!
Wait? Does that mean TFP Beast hunter Optimus would be considered a seeker if he gained a jet mode? He certainly has the components for it (having a jet pack which is part of him) so surely he’s capable of doing so.
If the purple jets aren't seekers I guess just call em AerialCons?
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Maybe Seeker word was initially for race but eventually over time the connotation of the word changed to include only elite flyers with special training. So, within the Flyer community, yoir training and technique would determine your Seeker badge, but since Grounders are unable to distinguish bw good and bad flyers and their finesse they feel every flier is a Seeker?
May you please tell me, what were the alt modes of transformers like starscream, dreadwing , skyquake, bulkhead , when they were in cybatron meaning before they came to earth ?? Please reply ?
just because hes a jet or something doesn't mean he's a seeker tho
Idk, seems like a seeker too me
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I think that not all Cybertronians are seekers cause some could be doing a different jobs (well they are seekers) just not doing airl jobs- do you get what I'm saying