The Most REALISTIC Airbus Side stick ever | Real Airbus Captain | Review/Breakdown | FSProjects
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ธ.ค. 2021
- Do you love flying the Airbus in Microsoft Flight Simulator or X-plane 11? Maybe even the FS Labs in P3d? Well As a real world Airbus captain I sure do. However, over the years finding the right sidestick to emulate the real Airbus control stick just never showed up...until NOW. Short of spending a LOT of money on actual sidesticks that cost over $1000 USD there never has been a perfect option. Flying an Airbus simulator without a proper Airbus Sidestick is not flying an Airbus. The subtle quirks of the stick and control pressures required to manipulate the aircraft are a major player in actually flying an Airbus. I am here to try and help you enjoy those exact feelings/sensations it takes to fly a real Airbus on your home PC with the perfect flight control setup.
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At $157 USD Enter the Flight Sim Projects A320 series Sidestick. Compatible with the Thrustmaster Warthog base, and Virpil (check website for exact compatible models) bases.
I have tried numerous different sticks on the market ranging from Saitek, Thrustmaster TCA, winwing, VKB and logitech, and none have given me the 100% satisfaction feeling as does the fsprojects sidestick mounted on a Thrustmaster Warthog base. Dont be saddened if you are a Virpil user however, it still will feel really really good. Ill go over this part in detail on video.
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Bravo V1!!! Thanks.. TCA plastic is just too lightweight for me also… it did fill a void though, so all isn’t lost.
After 3 years of service, it seems like the time has come to retire my trusty X-56. Got a great deal on a used Warthog base and the sidestick is ordered! Thanks for this great showcase
Today it arrive to me. It's fantastic and it feels like the real one. I am in love with this sidestick !
Just received the fsprojects Airbus stick..Man, what a big difference!! Feels like the real thing. I am so happy with it!
to me it dosnt fit
I think a side stick cam may be required during streams now lol
Lol oh no what can of worms did I just open 😂
Absolutely!
That would be grrrreat!
I agree!
Agreed
Thanks so much V1 for the in depth review! I've just placed my order today! It'll be a while but well worth the wait!
have you received yours yet?
@@hununb123 I placed my order at the start of March, order has just completed today and will be shipped shortly.
i picked one up for my vpc warbrd and changed out the springs to make it feel more realistic, its great
Thank youuu! Just ordered it and the Warthog as well
Congrats! you will not be disappointed!
Just ordered one, can't wait
Hand model V1 with another great video.
😂 well thank you Swarm!
Wow! Really nice review. I think I might get it myself after this. Thank you
Glad it was helpful! You wont be disappointed!
Tip: also apply nyogel 767a to the warthog to dampen it a bit more
Didn't get an desk mount since where I'm from, I would consider the price a little unreasonable. But I gotta say, a small chair and some heavy books work really well as a mount.
Very nice Video, I have the same set-up and I wouldn't give it away for money. Compliment to you for the Video and to the boys from FlightSimProject for their Side-stick. 👍👍👍👍
I agree, after months of searching this particular setup was the last one I tried and I’m sure glad I got it because it is definitely the best one IMO and will be worth the wait for anyone who goes this route
Even if the Winwing Super Libra A3XX Combo feeling is not 100% exact I love it !
Theres no doubt its a good stick! Enjoy!
Thank you V-1 Simulations for your review.
My pleasure!
As someone who's flown Level D A320 and A330 sims for around 12 hours in total, this is amazing. Will have to keep an eye out on this, thank you for giving us your perspective on this.
Absolutely your welcome! You will probably be very surprised if you do go down this route ;)
I’ve been using this for 10 months with the warthog base and have had no complaints at all. I didn’t realize they have the blue rubber gaiters now but that’ll be a definite purchase soon.
Did you use it with the warthog standard base?
awesome video V1! now all we need is airbus throttle and pedals 😂🙏🏼
Haha thank you! Man we sure do! Throttle would be sweeeeet
Hand reveal 😳. In all seriousness great video V1 and what an awesome stick
Thanks man!
Very nice video! I was thinking about getting this sidestick but just one question: Is the tension similar too the real sidestick because I've noticed the real sidestick is very stiff?
Good find!!!!
Hi, I like your videos very much, because there are so many detail and informations on a high level! I use zje Thrustmaster Warthog stick on my left side and I'm very satisfied, because it's very very precisely and I think the strongness of the spring is very realistic.
Thank you!
Nice review
Completely agree about the base discussion. I have both Virpil and Warthog bases and I actually moved my Warthog to a Virpil base because I feel the Thrustmaster base is "sloppy" and less precise, especially around center. But at the same time the feeling under load is far better, 100% agree. Sad that it's such a tradeoff.
Did you bought this side stick ?
Did you bought this joystick?
I have the same setup! Sweet video!
Awesome! Thank you!
@V1-Simulations, Hi. I was considering purchasing this. What mount would you recommend for it tho?
Thank you so much!!! This is exactly what I was looking for! I was leaning towards a different base than the thrust master warthog since it has a ball and cup design, but you sold me on it since it is more similar feeling to the real thing, I will just have to take your word for it. Its not like its going to be for fighter jets ike my center mounted hotas, Im hoping the wear will be significantly less consering it wont be jerked around very much since it wont be seeing any combat lol. Hopfully some sort of grease or lube can prolong its life! Im so excited to try this one out, I appreciate you!
Glad you found this video then! yup I think you will enjoy that base combo. For "airbussing" it just feels right. There are some guys on YT who have videos showing how to lube/grease the base. Fortunately for me tho I havent had to yet! Enjoy your new combo when you get it set up!
That’s wonderful I just got exactly same stick but do I still need to custom some sensitivity settings or just leave with all straight line of the controller axis, appreciate l!
@V1-Simulations Do you know what the differences are between this and either an Orion2 or Super Libra with the WinWing A32 grip, and which is better these days? Could you sit down with @320 Sim Pilot and do a comparison review together, please :P?
Awesome review, definitely adding it to my list. Can I ask what type of rudder pedals you use and recommend to feel similar to an Airbus?
still working on that lol
@@V1Sim Get the Thrustmaster Pendular pedals - doesnt get more real.
I have ordered the Airbus Side Stick and gaiter from FlightSimProjects, thank you for your awesome review once again!
Hey there!!! amazing video ! i just got my FsProjects sidestick with the hotas warthog base, id like to see your settings sensetivity for msfs2020 if you do have a spesific settings for it . thanks !
@V1-Simulations do you use the stock or green spring in the warthog base? Just picked up the base and the side stick :)
Thx for the video, is it compatible with the Thrustmaster TCA Quadrant ?
very nice
188 euro in case you were wondering. Less the base. You have to order the stick to match with the base of choice it seems. Was there a 20% off code you forgot to post V1? 😁
i love this yoistick original
brilliant
Amazing, I might get this for myself... I love my HOTAS Warthog since I use DCS and XP11, but I've been flying the Toliss A340 a LOT these days... I think it would be a good purchase.
you would love it for the A340!
Thanks for making a review from a REAL PILOT's perspective. Although I have the Oldhog base, I'm really not a fan of its obsolete centering mechanism...so I want to give it a try in the future on "THE other brand" which I happen to have as well. Do you think a lighter spring, dampening from the dry clutch(I have the heavier model from the "THE other brand" that has a dry clutch system like the VKB), a shorter stick extension(not 100% sure but it appears to me that the real thing has a longer arm than any of the desktop joysticks), or any combination of the above could potentially save those cam&spring-gimbaled joysticks a bit? Also I was wondering what kind of material the fsprojects' product is using, is it metal as well? Thanks in advance!
For sure, I think with the right tuning you can definitely get the feeling right "in motion." My problem was that on my setup when I went to the heavier springs, and I think on my VKB i doubled up with like a heavy and light spring, when I held the stick "under load" at or near its limits I could tell that there were springs fighting me back. While yes the warthog base tech is obsolete when compared to Vkb virpil etc having that giant ball socket and single heavy spring in the base really camouflage what is going on when under load. As far as range of motion or arm the real airbus is not all that much different than the warthog really! Id have to measure it somehow to be exact but again, remember in normal day to day operations we seldom move the stick in full deflection (other than flight control checks). Keep tuning it, strive for the resistance of the warthog, without a super quick snap back to center feeling and you will be very close!
The material seems to be a very high quality resin, which I believe the real stick is made out of as well.
@@V1Sim Thanks for the advice! A bit surprised to know the real thing is not metal as well.
Hello sir.
So to start fresh I need to purchase the Thrustmaster Hotas joystick? Will the grip it comes with simply unsrcrew making room for the new grip to be attached?
Kind regards
I think I just need to purchase the magnetic base separately and not the entire hotas joystick? Does that sound correct?
That is correct to start fresh you will need a base. I recommend Thrustmaster Magnetic base. And then you will need the grip, and on the website just be sure to select which base you went for, in this case, thrustmaster magnetic base. Cheers!
Would you consider trying the A320 side stick from Brunner?
@V1-Simulations I understand the side stick is mounted at an angle in a real cockpit (I.e. it’s not mount exactly flat relative to the ground). Do you know the precise x and y angles relative to the floor? Is it about 6-13 degree tilt to the right(cpt)/left(fo), and about the same forward in the real Airbus? (I’m thinking of mounting the hotas metal flat plate onto a wedge-like base and that to the desk mount)
Hi Denis - did you ever get an answer to this?
Thanks.
@@pseud420 sadly I did not
How to lessen the centre detent of the warhog base ? I find that due to the force I need to overcome the detent i have difficulty to make very fine control of the stick
I am about to buy one but i was wondering if it is a lot better with the rubber thingy. Is it worth it to buy one without that rubber thingy?
Thank you very much, your analysis on these joysticks is very interesting, the thing that makes me hesitate to acquire it is the problem of your peripheral vision without a Chinese hat and no buttons to zoom in/out... You have a VR headset for vision or use the mouse, or others...?
You need monitors or projectors giving you at least a 180 degrees field of vision, the only way to operate an aircraft simulator realistically, your eyesight is operating partly sideways even when looking straight ahead, there are no chinese hats in Airbus.
The Fsprojects stick is well worth it's money, I've used it for half a year, and this review was very good 😊
Does your setup include the flat magnetic base, or just the smaller circular base the stick plugs into? The reason I ask is..wouldn't the flat magnetic base get in the way when trying to find the perfect position for mounting
I believe the flat base is not magnetic, what's magnetic is the interior of the round thing("circular base"), the Hall effect device inside of it
Are you using the base that comes with the stick in the box or the magnetic one?
If you can turn on your hand cam only on approach and landing, that would be nice
It is coming ;) Next stream
So software wise does it have any difference to the Warhog Grip that comes as standard ?
Which rudder set up do you use. Thank you sir.
What throttle quadrant do you use? The thrustmaster one seems a bit too cheap
Gotta ask this for my birthday! You know a website that also has throttle? Would be fantastic
I bought the same one! Still waiting for it to be delivered.
You will not be disappointed !
Would the hotas warthog work for an a320? Or on a left hand?
nice
hello, I am an A320 driver as well and setting up my first sim. What do you think of the thrustmaster TFRP rudders and the thrustmaster TCA throttle?
No experience with the TFRP but personally I would shy away from the TCA throttle. I do have a review on that as well
Will it work on the Virpil MongoosT-50CM2 Base?
what is your sensitivity values for this stick?
Love this stick. Just got the gaiter. Friend of mine who is an A330 pilot said the stick is too tight. What do you think?
What do you mean by tight? Stuff in motion? This could depend on mounting location, it’s critical to have the right angle/arm support to have proper leverage. And I suppose could depend on the base, perhaps spring tensions may not be 100% uniform across mass distribution. But personally I don’t feel it is too heavy at all
@@V1Sim just finished watching your video. I’ll have to look for the program to adjust sensitivity for the Thrustmaster hotas base. But yeah good point, my seat arm rest is about 1.5-2” higher than where my hand should be on the stick. I’ll increase the stick height. Mahalo! 🤙🏽
TCA Airbus vs this compare to real sidestick feeling? Is it significant between warthog original stick than this?
night and day. Hard to even make a comparison really, one is a "toy" for multi function, multi purpose, and affordable. One is "as real as it gets"
Hi, what seat do you use? Thanks!
What is the stick made out of, plastic or metal?
Hi!! how long does it take to arrive?
It's always funny seine bus pilots making so many inputs that don't actually do anything. I think it's a psychological thing with flybywire. You make inputs because you're bored with how stable the aircraft is.
the thrustmaster is too heavy to have a realistic feeling
where can I Buy the Blue Airbus dust cover?
I just want to clarify. This is only an attachment for the warthog base? Or do they sell everything with the base included?
@@FurryMLG Is the magnetic base the same as the original Warthog base?
@@FurryMLG Awesome thank you!
What about the winwings one ? I bought that one and it’s really great too
It is very good!
Beautiful Airbus sidestick. Looks very Real. Is it made of Plastic or Metal
Plastic. Same as real Airbus.
Can I use my thrust master a320 side stick and put that on it?
no as you cant remove the stick, its a ball in socket and the ball is the stick
Do you use a softer spring in the Warthog or just the standard one?
I use the standard one it comes with
Is the stick and the base separate
Do you know the e wingwin airbus sidestick? How is that compares to this one(
It’s still a very good stick, however my personal preference is FSP for the details I outlined in the video. But both are high end flight sim joysticks
Oh man. In October I sold my warthog and bought the winwing. I fly lefty and the warthog wasn’t comfortable. The winding has been great but v1 is the man as far as the A320. Oh well. I need the hat switch but this one looks good and would if been cheaper.
haha bummer! No worries, it is no doubt still a good stick! I have just been on a very specific mission the last few months lol
@@V1Sim I was to. I was looking for a a320 stick for the warthog. The winwing came out so I jumped on it. Humor me tell me the winwing is pretty neat the real thing. Hshsha
Love what you do my friend. I was a boring guy and you converted me.
Happy holidays Capt.
Can it be set up for a First Officer position?
Yes they have it
Yes indeed! you can purchase either FO or Captain side stick.
As cool as this sidestick looks, can you confirm if this is a sponsored video?
Why was the original price, (£109) increased?
Is it xplane compatable?
I thought the trigger was meant to fire ! 😁
Where is trim buttons? How do airbus pilots trim?
Does it work on msfs 2020
Nice video! In msfs did you have any sensitivity curves when using with the flybywire 320?
I have not flown msfs recently, when I do I’ll be sure to post some settings
@@V1Sim I’m in two minds about this setup or the winwing libra base and a3xx side stick. In the video you said you tried other sticks did you happen to try the winwing combo? The option hat-switch accessory is attracting me..
@@OzzySafa yes I have, the wingwing setup is also very good, however remember I don’t want a hat on mine. I understand fully for those who want a hatswitch tho. Also for me personally I prefer the warthog base over the Libra, however the grip is very well made and is in fact a rendition of a more “modern” 320 stick. Just my personal experience and preference is with the FSP/Thrustmaster combo. Also u may want to check, I heard FSP will be offering a hatswitch option in the future too, so if u are not set on the libra base and would consider the thrustmaster or Virpil it may be worth the wait. At the end of the day I think you will be happy with which ever option you take
@@V1Sim thanks a lot for the info you make me want to get both haha I guess that’s the only way I will really ever find out which one I like the feel of better. I’ll keep my eye out on fsp if they make the hat switch one. Thanks for your videos.
The snake head. Make me scare.
You need Thrustmaster HOTAS Magnetic Base and Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog in order to have this working?
No, just the magnetic base. Thrustmaster branded the “thrustmaster warthog” originally as a grip AND base package. They have since re branded to “thrustmaster magnetic base” in order to just purchase the base without the stick. So if you don’t have anything yet, all you need is thrustmaster magnetic base only and the grip from fsproject
@@V1Sim Thrustmaster HOTAS Magnetic Base for $159.99?
That is correct
@@V1Sim thanks
Can you share your vkb setup for helos?
Maybe on a future vid! I used to be heavily into Digital Combat Sim. But in a nutshell I tailored my VKB for the UH1 with a custom grip, extension and floor mount.
What the setting for MSFS A32NX?
I will report back when I get mine dialed in in msfs ;)
Does this work on xbox
whats the name of the mount for the stick?
The mount or base? The base I’m using is the thrustmaster magnetic base. The mounting solution I have is the original J-Pein Mount
How about the missing detent/clicks?
I am referring solely to the sidestick. I have yet to find the perfect airbus thrust lever simulation 😉
@@V1Sim No but isn't there some type of (static) physical feedback in the sidestick too?
Can this work on Flight Simulator 2020
No problem. I'm using the same base and stick on MSFS2020
What throtthles are compatible with it?
any and all!
@@V1Sim Niceeee then im probably getting it
Thanks, sir. What about tiller now? There is no Z axis for nose wheel.
I will probably use the yoke roll as tiller now. Or perhaps stick with rudder pedal as NWS. But yes I can see if you don’t have rudder pedals or a yoke it may be more of a challenge. However Toliss offers NWS with roll command as well so theoretically you will still have a way to taxi on ground.
Now we need a realistic throttle
True and a tiller (at a reasonable price)
Yes for sure! The bravo from Honeycomb is close as far as range of travel, im still waiting for someone to make full size grips for the thrust levers tho.
@@V1Sim That should be easy for A320 with 2 levers (not 4 for the larger buses). Hurry up, someone. I have larger aftermarket 3D printed throttle handles for the 737 levers as the stock sizing on the Bravo were made to fit a 5 yo hands! lol
Some very critical information is missing: compatibility of this stick with various platforms (PC, Xbox, PS). I am currently looking for one for Xbox series X.
I want to order but, the price is rocketing...........................
If there's no hat switches in the real aircraft, how do you change your view?? ;)
I have all my views on the sim bound to my Num pad lol but yes I the struggle is real IRL only stuck in 3d cockpit view, but frames are great! 😂
Trackir is the only way to go!
@@Cloudybox12 True, I love TrackIr. But I still use it together with xcamera (and a hat switch and number keypad) in xplane, and with just the number keys in msfs. It occurs to me that if you weren't using a hat switch for either trim or view change, it could be used for additional PTT keys (teamspeak, fs2crew etc.) edit: Oh, and MSFS has this annoying habit of switching off head tracking if I look away, so it handy to have a button for Toggle Headtracking as well (this would be true even if MSFS didn't switch it off, still nice to be able to toggle it).
Just to clarify, my OP was intended as a joke and my understanding is that V1 prefers a nice, clean sidestick that looks and feels like the one he's used to. I have nothing to compare it to so will probably continue using my CH Fighterstick, but I did enjoy this video, thanks.
You should use 3 projectors or 3 to 5 displays to get a 220 degrees view
What desk mount are you using to fix the base?
I am using the gen1 J-Pein mount. I think they have a new version now which I have not tried. However any mount should suffice, as long as you can mount the stick in a proper location as I mentioned at end of video.
😪 real simmers use mouse and keyboard, just kidding. Sidestick looks great sadly I’ve just bought the thrust master one