The Potential New Doping Practice That Stinks | GCN Show Ep. 577
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ค. 2024
- Oh poo, is another doping scandal on the horizon? Be warned this one is even more strange than worm blood doping. Si and Dan discuss the possibility of using faecal transplants to increase cycling performance. In cycling shorts, Mark Cavendish's cycling training for the season and excitement is building to the cyclocross world championships.
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00:00 Intro
02:25 Feacal transplant cycling doping
11:56 Cycling shorts
17:07 UCI Cyclocross World Championships
19:07 Hack/Bodge
24:20 Caption competition
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What do you think of performance-enhancing 💩transplants?! 🤔
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Faecal transplants are commonly used in colorectal cancer surgery (ERP), the idea of turning something designed to improve a cancer patient's outcome post-operatively to act as a PED is disgraceful.
Great medical treatment, bringing health to otherwise suffering gut. Strange somebody would consider it doping at all, since you can't enhance already healthy funcioning gut with it. It is closer to organ transplant than blood transfusion or drug intake...
Can't you just get the same results from changing your diet?
Fecal transplants can also change what foods you crave/eat. So you may no longer enjoy eating something you did prior and start adopting more of the donor’s tastes. This could be good or bad.
@@HeibesHealth Wow, that could be quite something couldn't it. Especially if you are what some call a _fussy_ eater, it could be psychological torture
Eating a chocolate pudding while watching the newest GCN show wasn't the best idea I had today.
Hahahaha! You don't need pudding with the GCN Show - Dan and Si are sweet enough 😆
Manon is the sweetest of them all 😊
There’s always room for pud
Are you sure that wasn't chocolate poodding?
Well, as I donated my poo to my wife, she has a better life now.
May sound super weird, but:
She struggled with allergic reactions from any kind of sugar (fructose, lactose etc.) and had a bad stomach for years.
As I had no issues at all and had a great bacteria, the doctor mentioned we could „share“ it.
We did, and turned out to be great.
Funny thing:
She lost some weight since then, and her skin looks much better, also less inflammations.
So, it’s proof that it works.
If I would consider it doping, no.
It’s just a corrective action, to keep a system running properly.
That's really awesome. I have a chronic illness that I take weekly immune suppressant injections for. There has been a lot of research in fecal implants in this area, and I am waiting the day they have a solid solution for me. So glad you have an amazing physician and open mind.
It’s not heard off cause of the stigma. But fecal trans plants happen for all sorts of reasons. Like your wife’s, as well as extreme reactions to chemotherapy can destroy the flora in the gut. So a new batch has to be in there to replenish or infection and malabsorption as well other things I don’t know. I’m not a doctor but I work with them lol. Glad your wife is doing well. Good for you.
Oh I donated a kidney to my wife and so far so good. Cheers.
I was able to cure most of my stomach discomfort with probiotics. Glad your method worked for you.
Fully agree. This method starts to be popular and solves a lot of diseases. Don’t forget the root causes of losing microbiot quality : 1 month of junk food leads to 70% of bacteria variety losses. I don’t consider this as doping but re-equilibration…
Is she leng?
Yes, I want Poogacar’s.. 😂
If it was a footballer/soccer player it would have to be Wayne Pooney's we would go for
A mix of Pogi's and Cavendish's poo would be 👌🤣
@ not sure if you can mix it? can you? 🤔
What about van der Poos?
Wout Van Fart
My wife was part of a fecal matter study at MacMaster University in Ontario, Canada, for patients suffering from Crohn’s or Colitis. The fecal matter was inserted frozen and supplied by a donor with high microbiome. It worked fantastically, and assisted when Remicade wasn’t cutting it. Long storey short, the poopcycle worked.
Really interesting to read comments from people who have tried this. Thanks for sharing!
Perhaps you should focus on the fact that it is a biome rather than the fact that amateurs are using a rather nasty method. The gut bacteria that breeds better digestion should be available to anyone.
Everything makes sense now. Poogacar, Van der Poo
Bingo 💡
And lest we forget: 'Van Arse'.
Dan‘s microbiome will contain a lot of Belgian yeast cultures for sure.
He's 50% Duvel 😆
@@gcn And 50 % Kwak considering how much yaking he does. Duvel=devil. Cough.
I love the classics. Dan and Si Presenting A++
Thanks GCN. Watched the first 11.54 and it was totally crap! Infact it stunk! 😂
Now you must be being faeces-tious 💩
The synchronized "right" at 32:16 is impressive. You guys have been hanging out together for too long!
Sorry we must have powered them up at the same time 🤖
You just need to google it:
The story behind the Cadel Evans Great Ocean Road Race trophy for the winning male and female riders begins with its shape. The curve of the trophy symbolises a ‘C’ for Cadel.
The ‘C’ is designed using a high-quality road bike rim. The black edge of the rim also represents the winding bitumen of the Great Ocean Road.
Adjoining the bike rim, a piece of translucent blue acrylic sheet has been carefully chosen to resemble the colour of the surf along the iconic Victorian coastline, and as the acrylic sheet embraces the rim, the two materials form the distinct representation of a wave.
Why google when we have @easternbrown ! thanks for the explanation, we will make sure that in the future Si and Dan do some proper research! 🧐
Consider them told off, we will make them write Cadel Evans x100 tomorrow! 😂
The Brits have no idea what an ocean wave looks like. 😝
I'm a triathlete and I made it to the end. I'm not very good at any of the three disciplines, but still manage to podium small races. You are correct, that is why I'm a triathlete.
My mum contracted C.diff while undergoing chemotherapy which really devastated her health. Fecal transplants can help cure that and it really isn't as unpleasant as the name makes it sound. I really hope it doesn't take off as a doping method, but there's nothing shameful or disgusting about having it as a medical treatment.
But they don’t need the medical treatment. People who do, do. People who are using it as a dope don’t.
Probiotic stuff like kefir maybe but that’s natural. Taking a turd pill is totally unnecessary.
THIS ☝ There is no shame in any medical treatment - What do you think about it's use in cycling? 🚴
@@gcn It's a shitty practise.
It's fairly recently been determined that we don't have ten times as many microorganisms as human cells. The last I heard, the numbers were about the same. Which still sounds to me to be quite astonishing.
Around 30 trillion each !!!!!
My father died from c Diff. It came on quickly and antibiotics did not help at all. I was not aware of a fecal transplant at the time of his illness, but recently learned about it. I'm convinced it probably would have saved his life. However, it is hard to wrap your mind around, and just seems extreme. However, I think in time it will become much more common. Life is strange sometimes.
Memories of my 13-18, 6 speed freewheel x 52/42 up front. Hard to imagine now.
lmao you had "hard" and "harder" as options
Now there are going to be weirdos hanging out by the portable toilets at all the high profile UCI races.
Weirdos or geniuses?😂
January... 30 for 30' DONE. Thanks for the motivation GCN!
Hello all. Love your stuff. For the caption competition with the trophy at the Cadel evans road race, here you go: Cadel:" It's a cool trophy, and if you hold it up to your ear, you can hear the ocean."
Caption Contest:
Dan "he gave me a wave",
Si "I sea what you did there"
Love The GCN Show is now available as a podcast. I was the 7th subscriber of it on Spotify, listened to this episode and also watched the TH-cam video today. Just a tip from whom listens to lots of other podcasts, maybe the presenters could introduce themselves at the beginning of the episodes for the new audience that might come to learn about GNC via the audio channel.
Thanks for listening and for the tip! 🤗
Caption contest: with so many fish in the cycling pool these days, It takes a real shark to rise to the top.
Small correction, not van der Poel crashed 500 meters to the end... it was Van Art continued to ride there on the rails to a rare first place ....
Van der Poel did crashed, but into a pillar...
After this revealing show, MvdP will for sure not expose his precious microbiome at random people‘s houses during the worlds road race. The spies of other teams might get hold of it. 😂
"they're here for the spice mélange..."
He'll think twice next, that's for sure!
I'm surprised that Dan did not pick up on the hint of digesting fermented products in order to increase the number of healthy microorganisms.
The cogs are still spinning 😵💫
Robert from the Garmin Breed here... Working on the Charger thing right now... wife doesn't want me to drill holes in the rack there - so maybe I'll have to move the scrap wood to some other place... (maybe to where I keep the Zwift setup if noone's riding...)
Nice to see Dan and Si rehearsing before the caption competition.
those were some decent hacks this week. speaking of charging to go with that shelf for the garmins. I bought a 10 usb slot charging hub. one electrical plug in the wall and I get to charge all my usb devices in one place. So much more organized looking
Alex would love this! He loves organising 👉th-cam.com/video/LYicQ6bSGPQ/w-d-xo.html
Caption contest: Dude, i just felt this wave of victory crash over me and I'm stoked!
Olympic janitor just became one of the highest paid jobs in the world
Wave on buddy ! That is the new sprint finish from the uci good luck mate !
Completed my Jan challenge on Rouvy.
In the process:
1. 64 minutes a day for 31 days #30in30
2. 420 miles #StopSoldierSuicide
3. Passo Stelvio, 2 to go #3Climbs
@gcn this is exactly what I think I’m going to be investigating for my inflammatory bowel disease. Interesting that I mentioned this very thing to Dan at the cx at crow on Sunday, then to watch this video 48 hrs later!
Let us know how you get on, very interesting to hear it's worked out 👀
You guys have literally made our next trip to a toilet a whole new experience.
#CaptionCompetition Cadel just wanted to give a WAVE to the rider who was first to FINish...
The Brompton you showed is an electric conversion. You can tell by the front bag and the front hub. Love the show - @dirkenstock
I noticed that too, that front end being super heavy would help keep it down too!
Caption competition
laurence : "is this trophy a shark fin or a wave?"
cadel : "yes...."
Caption Competition: "Hey Lawrence how did your race go at the weekend?" "Yeah good mate, I got a great FINish"
I saw that shark on my ride and made a contribution to the doping study!
I’m sorry but can’t seem to find the precision hydration competition. I followed the link to their TH-cam but don’t see any link.
Here you go! 👉gcn.eu/GCNPrecisionFHComp - Good luck 🙌
Excuse me while i go looking for the place where Dumoulin stopped for a number 2 on his way up to Umbrail Pass at Giro d'Italia from few years ago.
Oi, that's my spot. Go look for 💩 somewhere else!
EXACTLY what I was thinking. I wish I could have received it directly
You'll be racing a few people there for sure! 😆
10:30 so next time a Giro winer will be pooping on the side of the road, I’ll be there scooping it 😅
I’m sorry but’s can’t seem to find the precision hydration competition. I followed the link to their TH-cam but don’t see any link.
Here you go! 👉 gcn.eu/GCNPrecisionFHComp - Good luck 🙌
Caption competition: Smile & wave
Long-term diet is reported to be associated with gut microbiome composition-those who eat protein and animal fats have predominantly Bacteroides bacteria, while those who consume more carbohydrates, especially fibre, feature Prevotella species.
I have for 38 years always had this off feel that cycling attracts drug addicts, those so hell bent on win they will take all sorts of oddball measures. Mental health being one victim, cutting kit to the least possible to get away with knowing full well it’s a recipe for a drama if anything happens.
I Don’t get it!!! The latest is going for ultra distance and never sleeping for days on public roads. Some have used the excuse of not knowing what happened when they woke up in hospital with a plaster cast head to foot and a broken neck, with a just giving page being set up for them. It’s easy they fell asleep on their bikes. Some have now died doing it. What drugs some of these people have used is anyone guess. There is no doping tests in ultra it’s much of a bigger blag than official races.
At one race I was in a checkpoint team were concerned the front runners couldn’t even speak just fell on the floor asleep and then got up and rode on. They may have just taken gold blend injected into their eyes, but they must be odd.
Anybody watching this on your phone while you're in the bathroom???
#captioncompetition (assuming it is a Shark fin!) "You're gonna need a bigger trophy!"
I like the crazy helmet, looks cool and safe
Cool and safe! That sounds like the perfect helmet 👌
One note on the World Famous Shootout: There are three versions. The Old-Old Man which is supposed to be a little casual. The Old Man which can be a little crazy at times. Then there's the Original. You'll find Pros, ex-Pros, and Elite cyclists in this one. Bet Ollie was in the last one and got shelled out the back as this one is absolutely crazy. BTW, as a native, I've ridden all three and I'm nowhere near ready for the Original.
You'll have to wait and see what happens 👀
Prevotella is linked to extremely high intake of carbs and very low fat/protein intake. This has been known for a very very long time due to studies done on cultures around the world. If you switch to a super high low fat vegan diet your P/B ratio aggressively changes and you shred weight and your wkg goes up. Ive seen this over and over the last 20 years Ive been aware about it.
Caption Competition: "Just smile and wave boys, smile and wave"
As the US delivery company UPS used to say, "What can Brown do for You?"
👀 Maybe AG2R were onto something with those brown shorts!
Caption Contest: Here's your trophy for finishing at the pointy end of the race.
Isolating gutbacteria and putting them in food happens in yakult drinks so I guess it could happen this way with this prevotella. There are quite a few studies done on prevotella and there are many different prevotella strains so hard to tell what this is about. I would like to read this Peterson study but can not find it.
“How was the race”
“I’m just glad to be fin-ished”
honestly, I thought that Poc helmet looked pretty good. Very streamlined but compact, nothing like the banana bunches we used to wear 20 years ago
Helmet tech has certainly gone a long way... too far for some 👀
Could imagine a strategy to 'harvest' during a healthy period to then being used on the same rider when necessary (e.g. in a grand tour that messes up the whole digestive system). Comparable to the autologous blood transfusion. Not sure whether the fecal version of it is possible, worthwhile or should be banned.
Fecal transplant options: Mathieu van der Stool, Wout van Fart, Filippoo Ganna, Potty Ferrand-Prevot, Conner Dump
Hahah the botty burp on 2:37( just after poo dopeing
😉
I think the trophy shape is a curving road with the ocean beside it which represents the Great Ocean Road
Done with horses. Vet soaked the manure of a healthy horse in water to make a “tea”. Then tubed the tea into the stomach of the horse to be treated. This was 20 years ago.
That Brompton on the hill is the e-bike version. See the front hub motor.
I call bullocks on that Brompton picture. Not even the great Conor could make it up. 🤣
Caption contest, "You may have won, but it will always be my race."
Me and my wife call that friday night.🤣🤪😜
👀
A few years ago we saw „The Program“ in cinemas. A few years from now get ready for „The Poogram“.
An overambitious rider and his dubious doctor plan a heist to get their hands on the magic stuff of vingo and pogi.
No Whitley Bay in Western Australia. Steve from Leeming Western Australia
My entry for the caption competition:
“Are you sure that’s the fecal transplant suppository applicator ?”
The link between cycling and good health has been known for decades.
I think it was Michael Pollan who said ... "Ride bikes. Not too much. Mostly gravel."
Tested on mice? Speedy Gonzalez, was literally sh*t off a shovel!
You're not wrong there! 🐁💨
Sign us up for some of that!
This reminds me of the South Park episode where they had a turd heist, hahaha
You're not the only one to say that... maybe Si is a big fan 👀
Very excited to see Cavendish back on this years TDF
We can't wait to see how he gets on 🤞
They'll just hook up a camera to the broom-wagon so you can watch him noodle around 45 minutes behind the race on any day that doesn't have a downhill/flat as a pancake sprint finish
@@isitrachelorj3953 Sounds great! Maybe when you're riding in the tour you can do better.
@@dk4366 Don't compare him to me; compare him to all the other sprinters who at least try to stay in the race, even Fabio J beat him to the line on both stages after a gruesome crash. Cavs just rode 30kph with 2/3 Astana draft-horses pulling him along miles behind the team cars.
@@isitrachelorj3953 It'll be ok bro. It'll all be over before you know it.
All the racers who always wanted to be #1 will now be focused on #2
#Captioncompetition crowd relaxes after seeing Cadel and Lawrence’s icebreaker
@GCN Got to watch the "South Park" episode on fecal transplant. S23 E8 Turd Burglars
Was here to mention this episode too!
The pogacar spice melange ^^
"Poo Transplants" - Without regard to medical conditions, Dr. Robert Lustig, advocates for a strict, healthy diet as the best means to achieve a healthy biome on an ongoing basis. However, given that endurance athletes may want to eat low roughage diets during hectic competitive schedules, autologous fecal transplants before key races seem theoretically promising,, but of course what depending on whether they work consistently and reliably for a given athlete. Our microbiomes are apparently very complex. My personal conclusion: better to eat a consistently healthy diet to achieve a balanced microbiome than the alternatives....
The Brompton on the steep hill is the electric variant, you can see the motor on the front wheel, and battery pack mounted on the front of the bike.
The crowds gathered at the worlds largest toothpick contest this week.
#captioncompetition Pithie took a bite out of the competition, and now he’s got the trophy to prove it.
Low cadence (
I don’t know if Si and Dan have always used puns like that or it’s their dad joke ages showing but either way it’s glorious
Check out steep street in penarth!
I can't see it being a doping method because it's not like you take a faecal tablet the day before a race and see an improvement. It's much more like having a good diet, or taking magnesium supplements - it might optimise what's already there but you still need to train smart. Would they regulate having a dietician who suggests eating at specific times around training? What about tweaking your salt intake based on sweat tests?
Caption competition
"Hey Evan, what is it?"
"Shush, the surfer wants his fin back"
Funny you mention speed walking at the end of this podcast, I was going to message you guys that about the poc helmet you showed us at the start of this programe. Would make a cool accesory to my one piece full body lycra suit, 😃Bet Dan would look great in his also and shave some time off his pb.😂
35:00 Tiff Cromwell isn't even the main character on a cycling show ☠
#captioncompetition The winning trophy is actually a new aero fender flare, which the UCI will allow to be used by the winner in the next edition of the race.
"It's like triathletes." 😂😅🤣
You taking the mick out of Ollie's aero knee high socks has reminded me to ask a quesiton I have always wanted to know the answer. As far as I can see over tights are allowed so what stops someone makiing tights out of aero material and wearing them full length of your legs?
Also you guys forgot to add your microbiome is heavily influenced by enviroment. People in India have a completely different microbiome to someone say here in the UK.
we imagine that it is a bit like a fingerprint, everyone's microbiome is individual. Personally, we are not willing to do the checks though. Although, Ollie is a Dr...
@@gcn lmao you need to get ollie to do a breakdown of the microbiomes associated with poop hahaha.
With lots of descriptive uncomfortable ti explain terminology lol
@@simonsepic great idea!
The GCN comedy and Science show. Love it!! ❤. And yes I would try the poop shute ramp-up to cure Lyme disease but shitty performance is not something I give a crap about these days. 😉
A bit like asthma inhalers. Fine for people who need them for health issues.
I work from home but the walk between my Bedroom and Couch I pass by my Wahoo Kickr bike and my 2 outdoor bikes. If I touch my outdoor bike, does that count as commuting on my bike to work?
Absolutely 🫡
if you do it for over 45 minutes a day
The knack for Zwift typing is to have companion app on your phone, which then rests on tri bars when not in use!
Now that's a pro set up! 👌
@@gcn It is so much easier than having a keyboard and makes typing a breeze. That's what most of the people who constantly chat effortlessly do.
17:52 It was Wout who hit a pole and lost his saddle, not VDP.
Caption competition
How do I use this latest aero device??
@gcn
Alright. I have heard a few times now Simon and Dan have mentioned they have some older 11 speed campagnolo cassettes kicking around.
I’m not sure if that is some joke I am not getting or if they really have those ….
I am actually very interested in them and would love to get some more information about them 🙂
Happy that Dan is improving his diet.
Diet, pull ups... he'll be riding a bike again next 😆
Hay Evan's, we gonna need a bigger boat