Vessel Electric Screwdriver - Simple Fix to make it work with ALL your Bits
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- I share in this video what I did to get rid of the "play" or "wobble" when using my normal bits in my Vessel Electric Screwdriver. Maybe you have wanted to fix the issue yourself, if so I hope it helps.
Hope it's useful & THANKS FOR WATCHING!
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The Japanese Industrial Standard (JIS) for their bit fitment into their collars are 13mm from the bottom to the center of the indent. We and most of Europe use the E6 style bits (about 9mm) and corresponding collars.
Amazon Japan sells a Makita adapter (Makita A-44672 Bit Piece) similar to your slug specifically for this situation. I have one being delivered from Japan. Also, online I saw one person 3D print a 5mm slug with provision for a small magnet that would stick to the end of the bit as you inserted and removed from collar. More than one way to skin a cat.
Someone had mentioned that Makita one to me. So far this has been working pretty good for me. I leave a locking bit holder in mine 95% of the time, so it’s pretty rare I even remove it.
Thanks for the great video. Ended up buying a japan market vessel 220USB-P1BL and made my own adapters/spacers from worn out old bits. Read the comments and seen the othwr options which is nice to have. Now i can swap to either 13mm or 9mm length bits. I cut mine and finished them off around .220-.222 range for anyone it might help if making their own spacers.
You’re welcome. Thanks for the specs 👍👍
I found the TONE 2BHA-065 Bit Holder on Amazon Japan. It has the 13mm detente on the back to fit the screwdriver chuck (albeit with the same play as show on the original blade supplied with the screwdriver) and a western standard C6.3/E6.3 chuck on the other end. I can now use any of my existing bits on my Vessel screwdriver.
Appreciate the Part Number... I kept searching around and could never find anything that stated exactly what each end was... 👍👍
That's the only thing that's kept me from buying more Vessel interchangeable bit products. I've got the black ball driver, and it does have an annoying rattle and just enough play to get on my nerves. I love the rest of their products.
@@shadow7796 I didn’t even notice it till someone asked me about it, then I couldn’t not notice it 😂
Genius!!!! The simplest solutions are the best!!!!
Domo!
👍👍.. it’s still been working great for me
Great idea. Super simple fix, and you don’t have to use a pick to pull the foil out. I think I’ll have to get that screwdriver now. Thanks a lot 😂😂😂
It works pretty good… that play eventually began to annoy me so I had to do something about it 😂
thanks you for your solution !! i have the same screwdriver and when i use a standard bit i Just put a 2 little magnet together under the bit and is work very much better for the standard japanese bits.
@@bensami59 you have to get creative sometimes. Magnets would be a good idea.
I saw a video about this and Mikita made something like what you made to fill the gap. I like yours better and it was something you can make for practically free, thanks for the video.
I saw that too, but I’m the the same… free is better 👍
Was it bzeug?
I luv those locking Dewalt bit holders because of their small diameter. I picked up the ratcheting driver after seeing one of your videos, love it!. Question, what do you do when the battery gets weak? Do you have to send it in, can you change it or do you have to replace the driver. Also any comments or recommendations? I'm having trouble deciding between the one speed and 3 speed driver. Thanx!
@@Intoxacajun the batteries aren’t replaceable as far as meant to be, you might can change them, I’m not sure.
I like the 3 speed because the speed with the most torque also has decent speed. I pretty much just use that one setting, but it’s kinda a happy medium of the high speed and high torque options
@@MORGANSMaintenance Thanks for the info. Great videos! They have opened my eyes to some great tools that really do save time. I finally went with the 3 spd USA bit fit. I have the Vessel ratcheting driver, that I saw on one of your reviews and it is one of my favorites.
@@Intoxacajun I pretty much run two of the 3 Speeds all the time now. One slotted and one phillips
That is a good tip, I bought a cheaper rechargeable (The Vessel was quite a bit more in Canada) it has the type of play. I think I will give that a try. Thanks.
👍👍. Your welcome, hope it helps you out.
I have a bunch of those dewalt bit holders. I love them because they're one of the few that work decent with double sided wiha bits and probably leatherman bits as well. I wish more bit holders were that versatile. The only issue is the double sided bits don't lock in there securely and there is some play, but it works fine. There is another bit holder from P.I.T. that I found on amazon as part of a socket adapter set and it actually works a little better. The holder is a little more slim and there's a little less play. I've been looking around for similar bit holders. I don't understand why wiha doesn't make them. They already make the 26 in 1 ultra screwdriver.
They have been my favorite so far. I’ve had a few of them that the release cover has broken off, but they are still good.
The Milwaukees are good, but the head is pretty big.
I will check out the one you suggested.. thanks 👍👍
Has anyone tried this using the Makita bit piece? It's essentially the same thing made by Makita, it drops into Japanese sockets so the shorter US anvils fit correctly. This is meant for Makita driver TD173. It also fills the part that makes the sockets compatible with reversible Japanese bits and I'm not sure if the Vessel has that or not, if not the bit piece might not fit
That’s what I was looking for when I ordered the Anex. I thought surely there is a bit holder that converts from one to the other somewhere…
@@MORGANSMaintenance Makita Bit Piece A-44672 is what I have. It still seems to be import only for now. They're about $5 don't get ripped off
edit: it's interesting to watch you go down a similar journey as bzeug in this video- th-cam.com/video/8ulvekdhk5E/w-d-xo.html
That's how I found out about it, shout out!
@bfcotftw111 thanks 👍👍.. I watched that today after someone else said something 😂
Nice find! been looking for a way to make it a little more stable.
👍… the slop doesn’t make it not work, but once you notice it, it’s all you can think about 😂
Great idea.
I'd take a piece plywood big enough to use it as a sled in Evolution table saw, route a channel 1/4" wide and long enough to take that disposable/donor shaft. Then I'd secure that shaft and cut if off on that saw. Just to make it nice, square and repeatable. This way you can measure it very accurately. It's an overkill, but what a joy :)
The sled/jig stays, so you can use it whenever you lost that piece. And you can just cut it from any 1/4" shaft. Or you can make a couple (hundreds) of those and sell them?
I did glance over at that saw before I got the grinder out… 😂
I was more in the seeing if it was going to work stage and got lucky that my first piece was an exact fit.
Amazing! I’ve been searching for something like this for so long!! Now I can order even more Japanese tools 😂
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Are those like the festool centrotech?
They are the standard in Japan… I believe someone said 13mm from the end to the indent, but I never measured them. I’m not sure what that measurement is in the Festool.
I use a Wera Bit-check 7 with 6 most used 1" bits with a Wiha locking bit holder. What is your way of running it as multi? Would be nice to run a couple 3-speeds. I dropped mine from ladder height the red near the collet popped out clam-shell ball end seperated a bit and the lid popped out. Pushed everything back together. Seems to work fine. Sometimes I notice a slight wobble now but I'm assuming its the play or bit-holder. Gonna have do the E6 mod now. I think you mentioned mech pencil eraser cut to size?
@@Mack_Dingo I did the pencil eraser on the US Version, but I think you could do it on the Japan one too.
@@MORGANSMaintenance Hey Joey quick Question do the Hultafors pencil lead fit in the Pica? Asking cause I got shafted b4 buying off-brand refills. Thanks!
@@Mack_Dingo I have bought these and used them in my Hultafors and Pica 3030
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Annoyingly Vessel do make an adaptor to do the opposite of what you need, the DBH-02 has a 9.5mm anvil (measured from the butt to the centre of the detente) to fit in western bit holders and takes single or double.ended Japanese bits. I couldn't find anything the reverse of that though. There are also western bit adaptors out there with a double ball bearing to retain the bits which work great at holding C6, E6 and Japanese bits, the Wiha CentroFix being the best IMO.
I couldn’t find one either… I had been searching for awhile.
Yes, the Wiha Centrofix bit holder is the best. I did the same 'spacer' concept with a Centrofix in my Anex ratcheting handle. Debating whether to superglue it to make it permanent.
There is a spacer made by Makita that I've found.
Makita A-44672
Great video. Very smart adaptation.
Thank you 👍👍
I pulled apart a magnetic bit holder and use the magnet on the bottom of a ROW bit holder.
I’ve not seen a ROW bit holder… will have to look that up.
@@MORGANSMaintenance sorry just trying to be clever, ROW Rest of the World ie standard in UK/USA 🥴
@@iangregoryhome 👍
About VESSEL and this problem:
In VESSEL documentation they call VESSEL bits as "Type A" and others as "Type B" (international). Main diffirence:
Type A - 13 mm chunk
Type B - 9,5 mm chunk
So, to cover diffirence need 3,5 mm chunk. It may depend of adapters\tool used, but you got the math. So, maybe start from 4,5mm and slowly sand it down.
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That’s what I was going to do, start with my cutoff and file from there. I just got lucky on the first try 😂
do you still use this technique? i was curious what the thickness was and thought since im not good with a grinder maybe i could use some small nuts for machined screws
Yes I have just left that piece in mine all the time.
They just released a US version now that works with our standard bits but still has the 3 modes like mine
@@MORGANSMaintenance thats great, could you send a link? I see the three modes one shipped from amazon US, but the picture shows a Japanese bit
@@maximumyt2857 yeah the one on Amazon is still the Japan one. It’s on their website (vessel)
The only other store I’ve seen selling it right now is here. hausoftools.com/products/vessel-tools-220usbp5u-ball-grip-rechargeable-screwdriver-plus-with-bit-set-5-pc
It’s just released though… others may carry it soon and hopefully cheaper
@@MORGANSMaintenance I see, I appreciate the info, love watching your vids
Makita makes a piece (Makita A-44672 Bitpiece) similar to what you did. Check out a video by bezug titled "Panasonic EXENA electric screwdriver compared. Makita bitpeace test in these JDM (JIS) 13mm chucks."
Who knew… I searched around for Japan bit adapters for weeks not being able to find anything.
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I just happened across it myself. I ordered the Vessel electric screwdriver you recommend from Amazon Japan along with some of the Wera ball head screwdrivers. Love them all. Had it not been for you, I’d never have known about that model. Thanks for the great videos.
@@Bricktop1253 👍… your welcome. Those WERA Ball handles are great:
Good solution!
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Brilliant mod!
Thank you. I just found out Makita sells a piece to do this… but this was free 👍
Would 1/4" all thread work? I'm never going to use Japanese bits and will probably glue something in.
If it fits in the hole, you are basically creating a spacer. The play isn’t horrible “as is”… but it’s one of those things that once someone tells you, it’s all you think about 😂
very cleaver, thank you so much
👍👍. You are welcome
The Vessel system is worth the effort !
I think so 👍👍
@@MORGANSMaintenanceSee also the Whia VDE rated “ Pocket Max “ ! There is now no excuse for not having a 1 KV driver on you at all times ! I’m a big fan of their Slimline drivers , they have a Stubby , a Terminal driver handle , larger Pop up magazine version . Not to mention a magazine version that takes 1” 1/4” hex bits ! No excuse not to have a rated driver on , on or near on or near you !
@@chrisfyfe9212 I have added it to my watchlist 👍
@@MORGANSMaintenance I made a rig for my Pocket Max , it’s attached to a small belt pouch with additional bits , by a short lanyard , and just dropped into the left front pocket . The blade in the chuck , being protected by a piece of tubing , secured to the handle , by a cordlock . Far less complicated than it sounds !
@@chrisfyfe9212 I do like the slim profile on those blades. Can you put plenty of torque on them?
A nylock nut with 1/4" hex would probably do the job. But you can buy the TONE 2BHA-065 Bit Holder or Engineer dr-26/dr28
So… do those take the shorter bits or the ones with the Japanese style shaft? I figure they are a lot like the Anex one I tried and a regular (regular to me) would fit too deep and the head would not be sticking out enough.
A nut would be a good idea 👍. I like the option of sticking something in too full the space better, allows you to just use anything you want.
@@MORGANSMaintenance yes the short e6 bits fit in the Tone and i belive they fit in the engineer. I waiting on mine from Japan. If you use a hex nut you could tread in a bolt if it get stuck
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@@MORGANSMaintenance do you know if it is hard on the lock for the hex bit if I dont use a spacer? I think if you apply a lot of pressure to the screw
@@mac_gyver-y2d it may be hard on those bearings with a lot of pressure… since your bit isn’t bottomed out and can go farther.
But I al not sure, and I really don’t know how much pressure that might would take.
Brilliant!!!!!!
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Nice tip
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Makita A-44672 Bit Piece
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I don’t understand why people are bothered by this. It makes zero difference. It only matters if you use a Japanese bit in a standard collet, then it won’t lock.
Yeah while you are using it, it doesn’t really matter. The clicking noise bothers some I think.
For me, it was just something I was seeing if I could make it better.
You are right though, it works without doing anything 👍
The difference is that Japan uses a 13mm detent offset vs 9mm everywhere else, fwiw.
I was count to get out my calipers… but just decided to do trial and error 😂
Thanks for the info 👍
That's a 13mm anvil, standard in Japan.
I noticed many of the bits on Amazon Japan were all the same…
Thanks for the info 👍
The jis bits fit well in the rapidator, still has the rattle though. I put one in my vessel screwdriver and never take it out, though mine is the older version with usb micro. Bzueg did a great comparison and the centrofix by wiha seems to be the best. I have the regular screwdriver and it works great with all bits. th-cam.com/video/vGDg27AjQR4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=kwXIqqB5TZf00IIm
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Mines been working pretty good with my piece so far and a Dewalt Locking It Holder.
The Rapidaptor is nice. I don’t have any to put in my impacts,etc… but I have a couple screwdrivers with one on the end
Was that a corded grinder?!? …. 🤮
🤣 love the little engineering my fried 🫡
Yeah I didn’t feel like digging my M18 out of the truck… it was raining 😂
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They sell the correct bit sets for this. I just ordered them.
Yeah I have some of them also. I just like using my bit holders more than anything.
Appreciate you letting people know 👍
I respect the effort, but living with the y axis play is way easier.
That’s what I just told someone. The play “as is” is not bad at all. It’s just one of those things that once someone tells you about it… it’s all you can think about 😂
Works just fine either way 👍
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Damn two violations in one video. Taking shine from Bzbug and using JDTCO's tool cleaner for coolant. Seriously that was a great idea. I have been thinking about one of these. Love the Dewalt version for home stuff but the Vessel is better for the tool bag.
😂… it was the closest liquid to me. I edited out me first touching it with my hand like a goober 😂
Did BZBug already have something on this? I hadn’t seen it… which I don’t get his videos in my feed often.
@@MORGANSMaintenance He is always about end play. He dissected his.
th-cam.com/video/NjbKrvKkj8A/w-d-xo.html
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Thank You 👍
Refuse to buy non compatible products. There is no reason to make bits like this.
They started selling a version of this screwdriver to fit the US bits.. but personally I don’t feel like they fit any better. They both work, just have more play than some people like