Stop Bowling Like This (Please!)
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- Please stop bowling like this. We talk you threw some do and DON"Ts in the bowling game
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It's easier for people to see what you mean, rather than just explaining it. I like watching you guys in action with a ball. Keep up the great vids! Best on TH-cam!
I really like the mechanics here! One thing even with 2 hands is to try and keep things effortless and relaxed as possible. Bowling starts with a transfer of kinetic energy all the way to the pins.
Plus you want to minimalize wear and tear, and bowl as safely as possible. Excellent video!
I gave up bowling over 20 years ago, but I remember that when I started in the 1980s there was not the coaching for kids there is today and I was self taught. I developed the same habit you mention about "pushing the ball" away due to the use of the term "push away". It resulted in the ball getting far in front of my body, late timing and a very inconsistent release. In the early 90s, I attended the Dick Ritger Bowling Camp and they corrected my error. I had to think "drop away" and not "push away". Within two years, my average ( on house conditions) increased from the low 180s to over 200.
Petition to rename the "push away" to "the drop"
or first follow through !
I believe in Asian bowling it’s known as ball placement.
@@UhKimboze not bad but that include muscle for placement no ?
Drop away.
@@prettynicefield1104 Maybe but it seems very subtle to me like you're not pushing it, you're more so directing it's swing path which wouldn't require much force just a slight directional influence.
I’ve been taking lessons with Mike Jasnau for a few years here in Alaska and the biggest thing he harps on is your push away and how it effects your timing, excellent description!
I learned the hard way about this and never understood why my swing momentum and finish position was bad, especially on sport patterns. My coach, after seeing him for a year and a half, showed me through video and gave me notes, and finally noticed I needed the same stuff. Rounded and continuous, and finish with my trail foot down. Same notes and same problems. It working good now because I’m committed on the game plan.
I used to do the full "pushaway" until coach Daniel had me think of it more as a "hinge down" movement. I use my non-bowling hand as a sort of trap door when I start my steps. On step 2, I take that hand off the ball and just let the ball fall directly into my swing. It's controlled, but it's not way out in front of me, anymore. Completely revolutionized my approach.
I have been watching your videos (just started bowling and I’ve joined a league) and I used to bowl a 90 and I just bowled a 130 yesterday! Thank you for all of the help!
very fun sport!
My OCD went crazy with counting when I first learned the push on 5 steps. Everywhere I went I counted
Step - push - 3 - 4 - 5
push - 3 - 4 - 5
3 - 4 - 5
4 - 5
& - 5
I still count like this walking to today. It has been 20ish years now.
Hi guys!! Why not call it the "drop down"? I really appreciate all you guys teach us on how to bowl correctly, to get better results and not injure ourselves!! Keep up the good work!!😁😁
Thank you for this tip. I am currently trying to break a bad habit of pushing the ball out to far with my push away.
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I watched a Singaporean coach and instead of calling it the pushaway, they call it "Ball Placement" because, like you guys said, you don't want to push away the ball, you want to put the ball in the right place.
Great that you are supporting our Singaporean Bowling videos!!
thanks i really thought i just put the ball straight next time ill try this ty so much
I lost my drop when I hurt my rotator cuff, and subsequently went to a 14lb. from 15. I’ve been working on my swing for almost 2 years as a result. Every success down lane starts from the drop. Thanks for the vids.
I agree with Brad and Kyle. Decades ago, however, John Jowdy taught the over the bar pushaway which some bowlers still follow...most notable would be Tom Daugherty
Watched this before watching ‘The Big Lebowski’……unreal results man
Would have liked to have seen some examples of the pushaways good and bad and how they do affect ball control.
They do have at least one other video on the push away that has examples.
This is great! One person that I have watched to help me with this is Dom Barrett. His "push away" and hand feel has really helped to change the way I approach my swing
The figure 8! I’ve been trying to figure out how to explain that move I see pros make. I watch a lot of slow mo videos on the release and ALL pros at the top make a subtle move that brings the arm/ball down inside close to the ankle. Definitely not easy
I started bowling in 1979 and still bowl the same way I was taught. So I pushaway at the start of my 5 step approach. That causes enough delay so my timing is correct. But it causes me to have less revs than a delayed pushaway/swing start.
Right hand bowler. Wear exactly do I put my thumb hand position set up, and where as it comes out of my hand? Is my thumb straight up? Or is my thumb on the side facing right of ball sitting in my hand before the push away? Conventional bowl. And if explain the finger tip ball too.
This is my question also!!!
Great tips! 👍
Excellent tutorial!
You are essentially walking past the ball as it swings down and back up to the apex. The ball should not move forward until it approaches the apex of the swing. Your cadence must be correctly timed with your swing in order for this to occur. The tail should not wag the dog.
In Singapore, we call it the 'Ball Placement', where we are just placing the ball in the line of swing.😁
That thumbnail looks exactly like some of the bowlers in my league.
😂😂
Guys I think we call agree we appreciate the content. Small request, could you demonstrate with a ball while bowling both correct and incorrect? Theory is good but we need the data ( bowl ) please.
Focused on relaxing on push away at league and shot 600 series for first time in a couple years. Thanks a bunch.
Thanks Brad & Kyle that's no doubt why I too went from crushing the last two months to losing my timing! I know I was forcing the push away trying to find my timing! I can't wait to try this before league!
My biggestt problem that I do. Thanks for the tips.
Did this tonight before I watched this video. It really works. I was tense and shooting horribly. I couldn’t get to the pocket, speed was all over the place and I couldn’t hit my target. The house coach was watching me and he told me I was trying to force the ball and told me to relax my hole body. All I did was relax and proceeded to throw 12 in a row, between 2 games and finished with a 268 and a 604 series. From one extreme to the other all because I relaxed.
Will try today...
Question: you mentioned a 5 step approach, the push away should start on the second step. Does that mean then on a 4 step approach the push away should start on the first step?
Yes. At 0:50 he mentions it...
I don't totally agree with that. My understanding is the benefit of the five step approach is that you start the ball in motion as you are taking the first step with the leg on the opposite side of the ball so you stay more balanced. I was taught 4 step in the 70s and bowled that way for many years. I switched to 5 step for that reason and the fact that most high level bowlers were using an odd number of steps.
Missed that somehow. I use a 4 step, but I push away on the second step. Idk, it feels better timing wise but maybe I'm hindering myself.
Great video guys! Way to dig deep on the details😉
Just got into bowling and I 100% do this - great video thank you 🙏🏽
This is one of the great’s tips for me.keep up good work!!
Love these videos, very helpful!
Daniel helped me with this a couple months ago and it's helped me so much. Great tips as always!
I would add one more tip to the pushaway: your posture. Sometimes when you are a little too forward in your posture, your pushaway will tend to be more "straight down" and you end up pulling the ball up in the back swing instead of letting the ball swing itself.
....and if anybody knows how to fix this, please make a video so i can watch :)
Great video, thanks guys!!
Ty for this vid.👍👍👍
Thanks guys I was really grateful for this video
THANK YOU!
I’d love to work on that Norm Duke figure-8 to help me keep it right. I never noticed that about his game. I have this mental lapse at least once a game where I still throw it straight or across my body and it kills me.
thank you this video was very helpful
Could you clarify? Keeping your head relaxed but when exactly are you supposed firm up your wrist. I can’t manage to do that without increasing muscle in my swing. How can you do one without the other
How do you get a high back swing without muscling it back and up if you have no real momentum from the "push away"
Great video boys
Could add the step aside to get leg clear of the swing?
Cool tech bowling brad and Kyle
You guys makes great videos with great content. Can you do a video on timing and balance? Good luck this season.
So many variables in this sport.
I always tell people you can't have a backswing without a front swing.
My initial stance and sighting and then my initial steps and starting my swing are 95% of when I am "aiming" the shot. The second half of my delivery is about being fluid and just staying on target I'm already on. Does this sound right?
my issue is bringing the ball behind my head when Im swinging back and it throws off my timing on release. How can I solve this issue?
I immediately thought of Diana Zavjalova.
If you start tight you end up tight, staying relaxed and loose to initiate the swing is key to everything else working !!
See you at the Utah Open Brad!
Tack!
So i started keeping my elbow in closer and opening my hand alittle to get more snap on the release for more revs but i cant keep my ball from hanging up on my thumb and i launch it half way down the lane. Any tips? Ive been doing the yoyo drill but thats not helping
My coach calls it "initiating the swing" - pushaway is definitely a wrong concept and term. :)
I find it tough to get a full, free backswing without pushing the ball way out in front. I suppose it comes down to the arm swinging freely, but my speed seems more consistent with the "wrong" style push away.
I just use a 5 step and start the whole drop later in the approach while being faster. I feel like I get much more backswing/speed while still having a slightly bent elbow/cup.
Is the push away "under your head",? It looks like it's beside your head?
My coach and I always called it a swinging hinge.
I can’t seem to figure out how to get my arm swing straightened I’m always wrapping the ball behind my back in the back swing, now I’ve managed to bowl well doing this I have a 203 avg at one alley and a 218 avg at another, but I feel like I’m still losing a ton of accuracy and power that I could have if I can get it straightened out. I’m almost always on the outside of the bowling ball and on top of it which I feel is also caused by the ball wrapping behind me in my back swing
I hate the push away also should rename it the drop down
The USBC Bronze Coaching Manual uses the term "ball start".
Soooo what you’re saying is I shouldn’t start moving the ball on my first step of my 5 step approach? 😅
It can be done, but the “standard” timing is getting that ball started on step 2!
Jimmy Keeth used to bowl like that IIRC, but he was double jointed.
Are you talking to Tom Daugherty? with 4 PBA Tour (1 major); 20 PBA Regional Tour? today is 1-6-2023?
My coach calls it putting the ball in motion instead of pushaway
Tom Daugherty is the only one I know that bowls like that. with 4 PBA Tour (1 major); 20 PBA Regional Tour? today is 1-6-2023?
The “fall away” maybe?
I second, third or fifth using drop away. You're dropping it rather than pushing.
I tell people all the time to just STOP LIFTING THE BALL into your swing. DOWN is the only thing you should be thinking.
As a 2 hander, it's honestly detrimental if you don't figure 8 the swing. It's much more difficult to maintain a good hand position and be accurate when not doing so
Is this video for Tom Daugherty?
The hinge
I am not saying that I disagree but there are many PBA Hall of Fame caliber players that used a high push away.
Call it THE ROLL DOWN!!!😃
That technique will improve fair/good bowlers to very good bowlers
So at leagues this week I was matched up againsts a guy that three a 289, 279, 270. How is that even possible. Throw an over 800 set to my 405. So embarassing. Said he wasn't a pro, but that's the highest 3 game set I've seen in my life.
This is possible but for those who don't use a thumb this doesn't work.
Drop Away
Push away bad. Drop away good.
Maybe we should call it the drop away instead.
Diana Zavjalova has made a living doing just that!
Some people just built different lol
“Drop Away”
My push away is how I get the speed of my ball down the lane.
i think its more a fall from the cradle
just call it the drop down or somethin
A hinge
Call it The Puppeteer!!
Tom Daugherty dislikes this video.
When someone does this… it must be law that they must scream “YEET” upon release… just to show how silly it is.
It should be called "the drop away"
LETS GO BLUES!!!!!!
the tom daugherty
“Swing start” - I work w/my son to try to get the ball into his swing early
Push away>Drop away
No more push away, "swing initiation" from now on.