Is Iron Menace the Right Ride For Dorney Park? - Ride & Capacity Analysis
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ส.ค. 2023
- Dorney Park has announced the addition of Iron Menace! A brand-new B&M dive coaster that will be the first in the northeastern United States! The ride will stand at a height of 160 feet, feature a 152 foot drop sloped at 95 degrees, reach speeds of 64 mph, and take riders through 4 inversions through 2,169 feet of track! Here are my thoughts on the newly announced coaster!
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At this point, i think ANY coaster is the right coaster for Dorney to add.
They could put a boomerang in at this point and people would be happy just because they got something lmao.
same goes for valleyfair
You probably live near worlds of fun 😝
@compenceTV isn't their 50th anniversary coming soon?
@@quantumbeak1317 I believe so. I heard rumors they may actually be gearing up for something, but then again, I’ve been hearing rumors for years now
It's a clear grand slam by Dorney and CF, in my opinion. A unique, thrilling crowd-pleaser that has no peers in the area and is made by one of the most reliable companies out there. And, from what the people at Dorney are saying, this ride is going to be the centerpiece of a heavily-themed area and the start of a new vision at the park, which is extremely exciting. And the fact the haunt in the area is gonna be like a prequel story to the coaster this Halloween is very exciting as well!
Apparently the park will slowly start theming more areas and Cedar Fair is looking to specifically put big investments into Dorney because of their market area and the numbers that Hershey has been pulling in. They are apparently trying to bring Dorney closer to a tier 1 property within the next 5-10 years.
I love how Ryan always talks about capacity and gives analysis of any new coaster opening. Really helpful because no other channel covers capacity, or if they do, it’s just an estimate. Just another reason why Ryan is one of my favorite coaster channels.
This was my first coaster channel. I trued others... This is the only one I stayed subbed to.
Agreed
I agree, it's super insightful and we learn about a lot of things most other channels would only mention as an aside.
@@WillACarpentercanobie coaster us amazing specifically for ride experience reviews!
I was the original rides lead in charge of opening Dr Diabolicals Cliffhanger at Fiesta Texas. With 3 attendants checking restraints, we commonly dispatched a train every 80-90 seconds, constantly achieving 40-44 dispatches per hour. (Nice prediction Ryan) The trains are easy to load quickly, taking under a minute from park to dispatch, but I do hope Dorney takes lessons from us on both operation style, and loose article policies. Feel free to ask any questions about fiesta Texas operations as I worked 14 different attractions at the park :)
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Im assuming that dispatches will take longer, probably 100-120 second intervals, at Dorney, do to the park using IROC. My home park is Valleyfair and while still being very fast, dispatches are slower than parks that do not use Iroc. Although Renegade, the GCI, usually hits 27-30 cycles, which is very close to the min interval. So ride crews at the smaller Cedarfair parks can still be very fast
I find it interesting that every B&M dive coaster ordered by a Cedar Fair park so far has had orange track, just different colored supports. Aside from that, this ride seems to be a perfect fit for a park the size of Dorney, and I'm sure it'll definitely become one of the most, if not the most popular ride in the park when it opens.
the orange is structural so it can't go away
good itll take all rhe crowd away from the talon and hydra area
It's a total "just right" type of coaster. Size, layout, capacity, and it even has a steeper drop and more inversions than Valravn! Just plain nice 😎
Huge W for Dorney. The dive will be a huge capacity machine for the park!
Honestly I love the name idea for this coaster. Great way to incorporate local history with an awesome looking coaster. Also, the name is probably gonna be great for marketing.
Iv'e been working in FVD to design this Immelmann. The only way I could make it exit to the right with a clockwise roll was to sustain subtle negative Gs throughout the element. I'm super intrigued how this element will actually feel. Every other Immelmann I've seen crosses back over the track of the valley as it exits. Thanks for pointing out the difference in the lowering floor. i didn't notice that. I always learn new things from your videos, which keeps me coming back. You put in a lot of work, and it pay off with top tier content for nerds like me.
Tilt the accent into the immelmann about 3° to the left.
The animation seems like the Immelman accent has left banking unfortunately so less negative g forces
This is a fantastic addition to their lineup. The extra long queue lines will come in handy during their Haunt event - where the park reaches full capacity most nights. Hopefully this will also draw people back down to ride Possessed as well.
Excellent addition. So many coaster youtube channels crap all over dive coasters, but is there a park that wouldn't benefit from a reliable, high-capacity, extremely popular ride with an outstanding gimmick and a few good additional elements? They're just a lot of fun, and deservedly very popular.
They're not for enthusiasts
I personally love this addition, especially over the wooden shuddle coaster concept which would have taken out possessed.
I love how the inclined loop lines up with the road leading into the parking lot from I-78. That's going to be a badass look driving into the park.
The more videos I watch, the more I’m on board for it. It COULD be Dorney’s signature coaster if they lean into the ghostly industrial theming.
PA, specifically Allentown, is unique for its steel mill history. Having a roller coaster that not only is big and intimidating, but also pays homage to state history, is a chance to make a ride truly unique to the park, and not just another dive machine plopped to be trendy or sit in Valravyn or Griffons shadow.
I honestly think that Iron Menace is perfect for Dorney. I mean, they needed a coaster anyways, but I like the decision they made to make it a dive coaster, while also making sure it's new and fresh. This makes it perfect for both enthusiasts and normal riders.
This just bumped Dorney Park up on my list of priorities for 2024! Can't wait.
It looks awesome! I can't wait to ride it! Great to see Cedar Fair add a really cool coaster to the park!
It’s a great addition imo.
Also Cedar Point is my home park.
The lines for Valravn are ALWAYS massive. As in 2hours plus most times.
More than Millenium Force and Steel Vengeance most of the time. Which really blows my mind.
Looks like a great 5-6 element B&M to me. Sure seems like they are not intimidated by newer designs, and can still compete by seamlessly throwing element after element at you. Looks fantastic. Wish I could ride it right now..
I think it's definitely a good fit for Dorney. I don't see capacity being an issue. They never run 3 trains on Steel Force, and their other coasters are just fine with 2 trains.
They didn’t have to make the first drop beyond vertical but I love they did
Honestly the layout looks good, super slick looking with some interesting shaping for the elements.
Ryan! Love your videos! You're my go to coaster guy for sure!
So I've gone to Dorney my whole life. I live 15 minutes from the park and have season passes. I agree with you that its a great fit for the park. In high school, the debate was "Hershey vs Dorney", and its pretty safe to say theres no comparison anymore. Us locals have gotten used to the idea that Dorney will never be world class. All the local news stations covering it are making it out to be this huge big scary thing, but were all excited to get anything at this point.
Now if only Hercules lasted long enough for an RMC.... because a few years ago, RMC vehicles were spotted near the park, but it amounted to nothing.
It’s gonna be great. But as a consumer I’m hoping for even more rivalry between Hershey, Dorney, and Great Adventure. Hopefully we get more good stuff from them.
Agreed. Dorney is closest to me, but I often don't go because while it has nice coasters, it's grown stale over the years since it's been Thunderhawk, Possessed, Talon, Hydra, and Steelforce for so long. Like Ryan, I never got to ride Stinger bc it was always down. Hopefully, this is a good start, and Dorney becomes good competition
@@Wynorrific same for me. While Dorney is insanely close to me, I often choose to do the 2+ hour trip to Hershey or SFGA for the better variety. I hope this is a new start for Dorney, there’s plenty still missing from the other two that Dorney could nab, like a wing coaster as well
@@TheAckeePlant Seems like Cedar Fair is giving more attention to its smaller parks so hopefully they add more to Dorney
i cant imagine dorney competing with the force that is hershey park, but iron menace will definitely help it try to compete
Im excited for this!! I live about 35 minutes away from dorney and we have season passes. But honestly we rarely use them cause we also have season passes at Great Adventure...which is about an hour away from me but has alwaus been worth the extra drive time. This is much needed!!
I went on Stinger ONCE while it was at Dorney lol, very happy to see a brand new coaster rising from the ashes
Based on uniqueness alone, this was a great choice for Dorney Park. There isn’t a single dive coaster in the northeast, and the previous closest dive coaster to the area was Griffon at BGW. The being said, would love to see a dive coaster further north, maybe at Darien Lake?
This is such a great model for B&M. Seems like they are always a winner for the park and a winner for guests. GP pleaser for sure.
As my former home park, what everyone should know is (sometime in the 80s) the park moved beyond a small regional park and into an international park. When Harris Weinstein took over his goal was to make the park the Disney of the Northeast. He injected tremendous capital into the park. This is when Wildwater Kingdom, Laser, and Hercules opened. Might not seem like much now but in 1986 to have a steel double looping coaster was a big deal. Additionally, Wildwater Kingdom was one of the first waterparks in the country. And lastly Hercules was a massive, highly unique terrain wooden coaster with a whopping 157ft first drop (impressive even by todays standards.) At this point especially after Hercules the park was getting alot of attention. The park was on the path to becoming a mega park. Its probably why CF took interest. Dorney and Hershey were major rivals at this time. CF at the beginning did have the park on the right path but something happened after Hydra opened in 2005. It was evident the companys direction for the park had changed and major investments stopped. Its been a good 15 years of neglect to Dorney but with the right decisions and investments made, the park can get back on the right path. And with Jessica in charge I'm confident in that; just by looking at her track record. This dive coaster is 100% the right investment. Dorney is sandwiched between 2 massive parks (GADV & Hershey). The key to bring in guests is to make investments in the park that are unique and make them stand out from the competition surrounding them. And Iron Menace is the first step in that process. I would not be surprised if we see another new coaster at this park within the next 2-3 years.
I live 15 min from Dorney and will definitely be going to the park more often next season. The park isn’t bad, it just hasn’t seen anything new in so long. I’m super hype it’s a B&M too!
Thanks brother. Wow. That was a fast turnaround. Wicked good.
I love the tilted loop, so unique.
Thank you for the back story of the name
5:03 Or as one could say, “Menacing” 😂
Great video as always, can’t wait for you to do this on more coasters that get announced!
Having ridden Emperor dozens of times at this point, if this thing rides even remotely similar through the layout the pacing should be immaculate. Capacity should be totally fine too, as Emperor is able to eat through full queues without much issue.
Loving the rapid fire inversions, its refreshing for a dive, love diabolical, and I could see myself prefering this, great video as always!
Yeah I’m really excited for this! As a kid I used to go to Dorney every year and haven’t been back since about 2014 or 2015. Definitely going back next year for a new credit and to get back on still some of my favorite coasters ever! Especially Talon
Awesome video Ryan, I think it truly is a great fit for Dorney and I like how you broke everything down in this video. I really hope their is a single rider line as well, but I don’t feel overly confident about that. No other coasters have one at Dorney, however I think this one could really benefit from one. Keep up the great work my guy 🔥
Interesting that the story line is the same as Baron but now it’s a steel mill instead of a coal mine.
I love how you made a nod to your carnival video when you said you last went to Dorney in 2018.
First time in awhile it has been exciting to live next to Dorney Park. Cant wait to see this being built and then obviously ride it.
I am excited. The only other coaster of this type I've ridden is Valravn, and I loved it. This one doesn't look quite as impressive, but no midcourse is a positive. And plus, DP is much closer to me than CP is, so I will definitely be riding this often.
Thanks for the vid Ryan! Can’t wait for maybe some announcements on August 16th.
You make some great points. A simple, forceful, crowd-pleasing coaster is perfect for Dorney.
this is perfect for dorney
I think this is cool for Dorney Park ~ it’s nice that Cedar Fair is investing in a major coaster like this for one of their lower tier parks. I love B&M coasters and I love B&M dive coasters. I’m sure people will love this ride and I know that these rides always perform well. I’m sure that this being a smaller B&M dive coaster, this wouldn’t be very expensive, so hopefully Cedar Fair will save more money to invest in this park later on.
haven't been to the park since 2014 and i live just over an hour away, i finally have a reason to visit next year :)
I bet this is gonna be the best dive coaster for sunset rides! So excited!!!
Oh yeaaaa
Your content is always top tier! 🔥
I'm pretty excited about this. I especially love the inclined loop, as the one on Rougarou really caught me off guard by its force.
I wish there was a tunnel or themed trench like Yukon, but either way, I'm Team Iron Menace.
Love your videos. I don't even like riding roller coasters, but I enjoy your videos.
Great coaster. Wish it were longer than 42 seconds from first drop to final brake.
I am going to Dorney for the first time in a couple weeks. now i may have to plan a trip for next year as well, along with Great Adventure potentially.
Nice video, as always. CF loves coasters with Iron and Steel in the name.
Remember when people thought that Dorney would get Kanonen a few years ago?
It's a very nice use of space
Yeah when this opens I’m taking a trip back to Dorney, after experiencing my first dive last year (Griffon @ Williamsburg), I’m quite a fan of them.
I haven't been excited for a ride at dorney since steel force but this look cool will be talking my kids next year
The family and I are looking to hit this park, Hersey park and six flags great adventure next year might even thrown in six flags Darien lake as we are over going to wonderland. My son will love this ride.
Hey Ryan, something missing from this video and I'm unsure about: What's a block zone?
I'm excited for this ride and think it will be a great addition. That back area of the park has been a ghost town for years now. Steel Force draws a lot more riders than Possessed seems to anymore but I'd say that's because it has a lot more of a wow factor and is ultimately a much better ride. I was really hoping Dorney would add another wooden coaster from GCI as they could really use a newer wood coaster. But I've never been on a Dive coaster so I'm excited to give Iron Menace a go. Plus I live less than an hour away from the park so I can visit whenever I like.
They should have went with the original plans from 2020, Gravity Group shuttle Woodie
as someone who visits hersheypark and never dorney, i actually wanna visit and ride talon, hydra, and this when they all open!
It looks so good!
I don't know if it's the right fit for the park.
But the fact that the park is getting something new? That's awesome!
Also, I've never ridden a dive and don't understand the hype lol. So I'll get to try it haha
I agree.
Yukon Striker is the best current dive coaster.
My channel name confirms this fact 😂
Dorney could get a frickin family boomerang and it would still be the right addition 😭
My deal scenario with this is it brings in more guests, more revenue, etc. And let's see their fair. See how good this park could get which that makes them more willing to spend money on it which leads them to 5 years from now or so, taking the old dinosaurs alive plot and turning that into a new area with some flat rides, restaurants and hopefully a new wooden coaster coaster or multi launch of some kind maybe one similar to copperhead strike or the intimum straddle coasters
the theming sounds amazingg!!
iron menace is a name that makes me think of paradox pokemon lmao
Love watching these despite not being and having never been in the US xddd
Would a Gerstlauer Infinity be a better fit for Dorney? Probably. Would the GP think it's too similar to Fahrenheit or Shellraiser? That's probably true, too. A B&M mini dive was likely their best option to differentiate from Wildcat's Revenge and Jersey Devil. And it's a solid theme, so the merch should be fantastic. Just wish it could have an extra turn by the train's tunnel to boost the track length to 2,500 feet, then it might be better than Emperor. Can't wait for this extremely overdue addition to open!
the moving loading platforms are called COMBS (according to Wonderland maintenance)
It is the perfect ride for the park.
That leany loop is definitely unusual; wish they pulled a Dr.D and put a tiny airtime hill on it, tho..
Approved. I like it .
Finally 😂 it’s been like 20 years lol
For a park with the typical crowd level of Dorney, ~800 riders per hour should be plenty sufficient. Emperor gets roughly 600 per hour in practice and even on the busiest days rarely exceeds a 30 minute wait, so I expect the same will likely be true of Iron Menace. Given that I live on the west coast, I don't know that the ride makes Dorney worth a special trip for me, but it does make it a must visit park next time I do a trip including Pennsylvania and should be a winner with the public.
I am really hoping that B&M will be the company to break the 500ft height barrier with a dive coaster.
I would probably say it’s closest comparison is emperor at seaworld San Diego because 1; it’s a dive coaster 2: it’s ending is an nearly identical although emperor turns right instead of left
shouldve gotten a Gerstlauer!! something like monster wouldve been cooler but this is still great. The tilted loop looks fun!!!
Wish it had one more element after the corkscrew, that being said this ride looks great😊
Dorney can draw guests from sizable population centers like NYC and Philadelphia, Wilmington and more; it's a park with a lot of potential if it's given some TLC. For that reason, I'm elated to see Dorney getting some attention from Cedar Fair. They have little land to work with and this is one of the most thrilling options they could have picked with their current spacial limitations, while providing a ride experience that's so far unique in the northeast. It's an excellent choice.
For future additions, a compact wooden coaster from the Gravity Group would be a really solid selection to further flesh out their lineup.
Supposedly Cedar Fair is looking to bring Dorney up to one of their tier 1 parks because of the market area and the numbers that Hershey has been pulling in. I think this is the first of other big investments the park will get in the next 5-10 years. I don’t see them getting a wooden coaster though. I think they would go with a multi launch Intimin or B&M surf first because a wooden coaster requires too much space.
I would love for you to do a video on the Fury 325 support beam crack situation!! It's my home park and almost nothing like that has ever happened there.
Laser was awesome
as a dorney park employee i’m happy ash
This reminds me of the B&M Yukon Striker at Canadas Wonderland.
Oh you did mention Yukon striker. 😂
I think this will be a good ride and I would love to have it at kings island but I cant see it being that imposing with Steel force towering 40 feet above it right next to it.
I don’t think a dive coaster is ever a bad addition. But to me outside of the drop they are all pretty tame and don’t give me the want or need to ride multiple times. Usually ride once and then go ride something better a bunch of times and forget I ever rode it
I do wish it was just a bit longer, even without an MCBR. Could have had three trains with a cool themed double station for loading and unloading!
My concern is that, currently, dispatches at Dorney have become horrendous. Example, is Steel Force. There dispatches are almost 3 minutes 😢
It's about damn time they added something. The meme was getting more than a bit ridiculous
Are there 2 size tracks for the dive coasters ?
It seems like Dorney is getting some investment
Yay
Does Dorney Park still not have automatic platform gates? When I visited about 5 years ago, the gates were all magnetic manual gates.
Maybe one day we will get a 300ft dive coaster✌️
The ride will get new trains that are more agile and less lag which is cool
That's the first incline loop on a dive right?
Wait wait wait. Go back to how the steel mill owner mysteriously disappeared. I feel like there's more story there, and I want to hear it.
Valraven is a dive coaster and cedar point has had it for a while.