Model 3 - FSD Supervised 12.4.3 - Test Loop 1 - 2024.15.15 - 5 July 2024
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- Ok drive on Test Loop 1 with FSD Supervised 12.4.3.
One noticeable regression is the car didn’t slow properly for any of the 3 speed bumps.
Vehicle also still pulls into suicide lane and signaled after it started moving out of the lane. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
It was both safe and legal to use the "suicide lane". 3:55 See #2 below
In California, a "suicide lane" is commonly referred to as a center left-turn lane. Generally used on roads without a dedicated left-turn lanes.
The legal way to use a center left-turn lane in California includes the following:
1. **Turning Left**: Drivers can use the lane to make a left turn onto or off of the roadway. They should enter the lane only when it's safe and clear of oncoming traffic.
2. **Merging into Traffic**: Drivers turning left onto a busy road can use the center lane to wait for a gap in traffic. They should use this lane to merge safely into the flow of traffic.
3. **Limited Travel Distance**: Drivers should not travel more than 200 feet in the center lane before making a left turn or merging into traffic.
Quickest update ever lol
It would be nice to get some kind of verbal summary describing improvements, regression at the end.
Would be appreciated to have a summary of improvements or regressions. Thank you
Agree
Such a shame that it didn’t slow down for the speedbumps 😢
One was 21 MPH and the others 19. Those speeds seem fine for those type of bumps; No?
@@Discoducky73 they were definitely shallower speed bumps than i have here in northern california but i typically have a hard speed limit at 14mph for speed bumps
@@Discoducky73I’d get down to 15 on those for comfort, but you’re not gonna damage your car going 20 over those
@@Discoducky73 _One was 21 MPH and the others 19. Those speeds seem fine for those type of bumps; No?_
FSD has *no* *idea* what type of speed bump it is, so ANY speed bump failure is a real problem.
Im I the only one waiting for a quick comment of the drive after”There you go, thats test loop 1 on 12.4.3”. Im not in the car, i”ve nerver used FSD. This is why i watch you guys.
fastest and reliable review!
The best ever
Speed limit in a neighborhood is 25 unless posted
Am I the only one still waiting for an update from v12.3.6?
If you subscribe to FSD, how can one know what FSD version you will get. When my free FSD expired, instead of disabling a software switch, it seemed to delete the software.
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@@gsmith2520 nah software's still installed on your computer. the FSD model is downloaded with the software updates it's just sitting there in the background unused
12.3.6 is the latest for almost everybody. Only a small number of people are on 12.4.x
I think Tesla will need to have specific location "notes" to compliment the AI to get it perfect. That way it can know how fast to take the speed bumps, optimal speed, and lanes to choose, etc. There was talk of Grok being integrated, and it may enable such user data as well as community data.
Yeah having a worldwide pool of LLM interpreted human fed data to tell the computer about special directions for edge cases and using a good consensus algorithm would definitely solve a lot of the problems we currently have. The other option is to feed it another few billion miles of training data *or* to add LiDAR but we know that wont happen. But the easiest way to have the fastest community input would of course to have grok integration and sync across all cars
Or maybe enable people to set their own speed bump speed preference. I dread being jostled around when I drive over them. At my age I have so few functional brain cells left, I can't afford to have my brain rattling around in my head like a.. i dunno, fill in the blank,.. every time I go over a speed bump.
On a side note, I wish there was a way to mute the turn signal click-clack when the car is stopped and waiting to turn. My remaining brain cells have difficulty processing the mindless clickity clack.
Would love a test drive with more traffic.
More traffic equals even MORE interventions and problems. AI and Neural Nets are not getting the job done properly .
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2024 Summer is noticeably hot
Its now doing good
Not slowing for speed bumps is a speed bump.
Is that a regression, or has it never slowed down? ty for the video.
100% a regression
That’s weird. It did the same 3 speed bumps flawlessly with 12.4.2 (although there was leading car and none here) but not this version. Maybe that was the “ER” type data that Elon was talking about and they diluted it with too much normal driving for more polish in 12.4.3.
I wonder if they are “tweaking the dials” on speed bumps. There doesn’t seem to have really been a problem for several releases now.
Have you been watching the previous FSD reviews on this channel? Full speed over speed bumps doesn't happen all the time, but it happens sometimes. Unacceptable, after 4 years in beta.
It appears that it was slowing for the speedbump by going 19 mph as opposed to the 17 or so it usually does. It purposely was faster and slowed to 19 at one point. Think the AI model may be handling them differently or with a faster speed.
Your excuses are creative, but FSD did *NOT* slow down for the speed bump. If the bump was large and aggressive, that could damage the car. When will FSD get a clue ?
@@DerekDavis213 wasn't an excuse. It's literally based on what I've seen in the video and from previous behavior. If it didn't recognize the speed bump at all it most likely would've accelerated even faster. Not saying what it did was right or wrong but it appears that it was recognized in a way that was different from previous behavior as far as speed is concerned. The damage of the car is subjective. A cybertruck wouldn't be damaged going that speed as opposed to a 3 but it probably should be at 15-17 mph as it's done previously.
@@Gary_Walker90 We are not talking about a Cybertruck. Model 3 and Y are the most popular models, and if you drive 21 mph over a large and aggressive speed bump, the car could be damaged. It's just that simple.
7:45 probably stayed right lane because of the car behind on the left going fast
Aggressive braking at yellow lights is both uncomfortable and dangerous. The top priority in developing FSD should be ensuring comfort and safety.
My 12.3.6 slows to 7 or 8 mph for many flat asphalt road patches, mistaking them for speed bumps or, possibly, pot holes.
This channel showed that 12.3.6 often went over speed bumps at FULL speed. No slowdown at all. Not good.
is it possible to ask your tesla to drive without a person inside the car just a short ride loop only and lets see how it can comeback home safely
So I guess we won't be seeing 12.4.2 going wide, obviously, if we're already onto 12.4.3. Speed bumps have always been tricky. Even on 12.3.6 which I've been stuck on for some time, it's hit and miss with the speed bumps. Seems to be consistently missing them now. Curious if you ever use the camera icon to report issues, or is that considered dated now? Are the chill/standard/assertive modes still basically useless? Or are those actually doing something, now?
Speed bumps are super easy for a human driver. First, a Yellow Sign announces speed bumps ahead. Then, huge white lettering on the road says Speed Bump Ahead. Then the speed bumps themselves are easily visible, and in a different color than the rest of the road. FSD has very limited situational awareness. After 4 years in beta, and with 8 cameras and AI, this is inexcusable .
99.99% of people are on 12.3.6 as of right now
@@DerekDavis213 The end to end model has only been trained for about a year. You know this but choose to pretend not to.
@@DerekDavis213 Unfortunately, not all speed bumps follow the same protocols that you have laid out. Some have road markings, many have none at all. Some are painted, some are not and blend in with the road.
@@tesladura3085 But none of the *many* speed bump failures by FSD on TH-cam are the unmarked type that you are describing. You are making excuses for the simpleminded FSD software that have nothing to do with FSD reviews on TH-cam.
Looks like they regressed yet again and took out speed bump recognition, something it has had since. 12.1. Sad.
That is not quite right. FSD 12.3.5 and 12.3.6 sometimes ignored speed bumps. This has been an *ongoing* *issue* .
@@DerekDavis213 not for me. It has always recognized speed bumps for me.
@@glen7567 Your experience doesn't change the fact that *many* FSD v12 reviews on TH-cam show the simpleminded software going full speed over speed bumps. And that can damage the car.
The speed bumps are not marked properly.they should have diagonal white lines across them.
Nonsense. A yellow sign says Speed Bumps, then big white letters on the road says Speed Bumps Ahead. And the speed bumps are easily visible.
@@DerekDavis213 so you want the car to slam on its brakes as soon as it seesthe signs and drive slow for 100 feet. well that is nonsense. we have the signs too in DFW and the bumps are marked with white paint so you can see them. the car slows just as it gets to them the speeds up as it goes over them as it should. those in this video are hard for even my human eyes to see they are not properly marked with paint ad tn angle. those in the video are nonsense. and the second speed bumps were not marked at all. also the car slowed too. only going 18 mph. the car did its job the traffic peopld did not.
@@hllovell I have driven in the neighborhood in Northern California, a few miles from Tesla world headquarters. There are speed bumps around here, and they are not as you describe. Any human driver can easily avoid a speed bump. It doesn't matter if there are white stripes on there. White stripes are not required for a human driver . FSD has to adapt to the *real* *world* , not the other way around.
Yep my comments stand. They need to be marked better as those are for parking lots not roads. I personally hate them. What if I
There is an emergency. Useless speed bumps. Delay in help anyway.
@@hllovell The real world does not cater to the buggy FSD software. Or is that your opinion?
Did it have trouble with the speedbumps because they were all black? OP: Did previous versions notice them?
Previous versions had problems with speed bumps, going back 4 point releases. Mr. Locke reported the problem every time to Tesla, but that has had no effect.
What year is your car? That's crazy car still not slowing for speedbumps
The year of the car is irrelevant. The software and the cameras and GPS and detailed maps should handle speed bumps. But FSD is still not slowing down consistently, after *four* *years* *in* *beta* .
@@DerekDavis213 it's not irrelevant to me, I ask because I have a 2018 with FSD and I want to know how other new cars perform comparing to mine as I have different chip.
It looks it can't recognize those speed bumps. Anything different about them?
A human can recognize speed bumps. Super easy and obvious. FSD continues to make egregious mistakes on very simple drives .
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How’d you get 12.4.3….?
He's in the original early access group.
when did 12.4.3 come out?
A few hours before your comment.
Could you please surpass the road noises and make your voice a little louder?
Elon putting out updates fast for 8/8. Wonder if we’ll see 12.5 in August at this rate.
With these regressions and little improvement from version 12.3.6 to 12.4.3 (not 10x better as per Elie), I don't think FSD version 14.0 will become a candidate for robotaxi. 😟
@@gsmith2520It does not need to be perfect to start robotaxi. Waymo is not. Baidu is not in China.
@@gsmith2520 Elon always over promising. It's going to be a zig zag towards self driving. I would be shocked if 8/8 was the release of the robo taxi service. Probably just a hype train for the actual date they plan to start the service.
@@user-tm2mt5ms5o waymo doesn't go down a road where traffic is flowing in opposite direction! Also, always pulls over to the side when a cop signals the car. 😂😆 Waymo Fully autonomous. No person supervising the drive remotely.
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@@mrperson1324 unfortunately 8/8 is likely to be just some big promotion for his taxi vaporware. And unlike legacy automakers that deliver new models within 5 to 8 months, the new car models promoted by Elon on 8/8 will not be available for delivery until at least 18 months. 😟
no fking way, didn't 12.4.2 just came out?
It sucked
You have the camera report button at the top center of your screen
Please use the camera from the other car can't really see the road from this one. Thank you sir.
Thanks for making the video. It would be nice if it were a more challenging drive. Better than doing a freeway drive but not much interesting to see. I guess FSD is getting so good, videos like this are becoming boring.
FSD is not so good, when driving in the busy big city: New York, Chicago, Toronto, Los Angeles. Still many interventions are required.
ffs can they ever make a version WITHOUT tons of regressions
Impossible. Software and Ai is extremely difficult. Only long-term is it possible to weed out bugs. Plus the hardware is out of capacity to run a nn large enough to pick up on all the nuances of speed bumps.
Not with the current ai training techniques
@@rickkay9548 _the hardware is out of capacity to run a nn large enough to pick up on all the nuances of speed bumps_
Where did you hear that? Does that mean that FSD is doomed for most Tesla owners?
@@DerekDavis213 HW4 might be required indeed for a 5x increase in parameter count of the model(s) which it self might be required to pick up sufficient nuances to make fsd safer than a human driver
@@DerekDavis213 it means when they want the nn to do better in one domain, so have to make another one less performant (via node pruning, quantization and distillation). Shrinking other parts of the model makes room for more weights in another. HW 3 is definitely reaching its limits there.
Apparently you are doing same routes and know the weak and strong points of previous versions. You should mention them in each ride otherwise all your videos look the same
"Vehicle not slowing for speedbumps" ?!?!?! Speed bumps in areas I know are engineered so they are only an impedient if one is SPEEDING! If obeying the speed limit one needn't slow down to travers them. My experience comes mostly from driving in Virginia, North Carolina.and South Carolina. Are things so different on the left coast ans elsewhere? Does your particular car need new shock absorbers installed? What's the deal?
Wow-that FSD crap looks like work. How much does the car company pay you to test it?
You just watched a car drive itself with basically no issue. Imagine hating on this.
have you seen human drivers or did you just land on earth?
wheres my update. ima return my car if i don't get it soon. my car alarmed out today an strike me despite input on the wheel an taking over. i filmed it though an schedule service with tesla.
Looks like it still sucks and 8/8 is approaching fast. TSLA sentiment about to drop like a stone.
You are right. People that have been watching FSD for the last 4 months can see that the improvements are happening very slowly, and still lots of interventions. Such a disappointment .
Boring You need to speed up your videos. Why would I want to watch your car drive you around for no reason.