Dunno why everyone was so mad at the bukkit guy, he was totally in the right for deleting his code. To think that he unknowingly was working for Mojang and was being paid nothing for it is crazy, even if he wanted to contribute because he was passionate about it.
it is such a good feeling to me to see a indepentant person exercise there right and FREAKING OWN a million dollar corp with there being nothing the corp can do about it in any way it is one of THE most SATISFYING things in this world, and anyone who would object needs to be educated on what being exploited in this manner is like
1000%. It's situations like this that I can point to and say "You can't always blame Microsoft for all of Mojang's bad deeds. They can be just as scummy. Not always, but the cracks are there." If I had the info and the wherewithal.... I'd take the shot too. My blood, sweat, and tears went into something like that, you're damn straight I'm getting some sweet vengeance for them stealing it like that. Especially broadcasting to the world "Erm acktually it's not going down, we are keeping up for EVERYONE, YAY US!" Like they are the peoples' heroes or something.
Mojang when servers literally make slot machines for kids: I sleep Mojang when someone makes optional mods: THIS IS AN AVENGERS LEVEL THREAT if mojang wants ANY moral high ground to stand on they need to permaban any server with gambling mechanics on it or lootboxes with paid keys first.
Minecraft community: creates optional slot machines for their servers Mojang: le kalm Jenny mod: Allow me to introduce myself Mojang: *deepfried eyes XD* real shit! 😂👌 Jenny hawk tuah stonks: *dips* Minecraft community: *surprised pikachu face* Everyone involved: wholesome [-100]! TH-cam commentary channels: are we blind? deploy the video essay slop! Reddit: you were supposed to destroy the siths, mojang! not join them! 10 gold medals for part 2
seriously, the eula had that added years ago and big youtubers like ssundee are still able to run gambling servers. it's gotten to the point that players have been taking them down themselves.
Ok but the twist with Bukkit is genuinely evil. They used their fans' work without compensation--fans who thought they were doing work for their community with their community--and only revealed that when one of the previous Bukkit devs tried to shut the whole thing down. If that never happened, then they'd probably still be doing this. That one guy who DMCA'd them was a goddamn hero.
They weren't using their fans' work without their compensation any more than before the project was owned by them, after the purchase it still stayed as an open source project and the code written for it belonged to the community (outside of what was written by the hired contributors). I don't blame the guy for taking his work down because he had the full right to do that but I don't see how what happend here can be called evil quite frankly, at worst it seems like a failure of communication.
@@snailymitch it was kept secret bruh, and they had said they had "purchased it", which means jack shit, they had 2 people who had some shares of it give it to them, at best they could contribute to it themself or remove the code they had done but beyond that, they didn't own it.
Bukkit learned the hard way about business ethics. 13:25 "Kinda sad that someone is trying to ruin everythin for everyone" Bro was putting his life work into something to his understanding that he had an ownership of just to find out that his buddies sold the project to a billion dollar company 2 years prior behind their back. Of course he's going to sue the shit out of them and claim all of his code. He wasn't paid for it at all and isn't going to let some shmuck in a cubicle take it from him for free. Ergo Bukkit dies. Rightfully so. Not because of the claim from Bro but because of Mojang's shady backrooms deal.
No, they were hired on as developers when they signed their contracts.They gave away their rights technically Mojing didn't own the Property property, which no one really looked into, but because each person owned a percent of it, they owned those 2 peoples per cent, which does mean that he couldn't take it down without their permission, which meant that his percent was lessen. There's rapid, they probably had the most percent. However, they're also dumb because, with non pay like freelance work like this. Technically? They wouldn't own an either way. Cause the code would still be owned by the developers. Cause no one sign contracts for a free development. And if it's ever caught 1 day. That mojang used any of the code from within there. Technically, they could still be sued.
@@shadowwalker8296 Contracts made under deception (also known as fraudulent inducement) or coercion get challenged and potentially voided or rescinded in court.
That's crazy, seems like Mojang 100% knew, since I've never heard that Bukkit was official Mojang software before, so they were hiding that for a reason
At least she’ll live on in unofficial, under the radar mods (if people make them) and definitely r34. Gone, yet more accurately, change in industry job. She on the big screen now! (Edit: been reminded it transferred ownership so it’s still alive)
@@SkyRecruit18 the "official" one is now called fapcraft. OG dev gave code to another person who renamed it to that. not sure what website ur talkin about tho
@@daedalus6433 they really don't give a shit, unless it's a big project (for example, a company forks Linux, doesn't open-source, and Linus make a huge fuss)
@@Darwin-sd1gt Yeah, the issue with big companies being able to just strongarm everyone both by abusing copyright law and ignoring it when it is convenient for them. Makes me want to throw copyright out the window
The yuti kidnap mod... I was part of the main server of the Yuti kidnap mod. That was a fantastic server with a huge security to get in, forbidden to minors. And even when you were on, anything +18 was banned. It was just a comforting realm where adventures could be created with that 'damsel in distress' or 'captured hero/villain' type of fun. We made many roleplay scenarios of rescues, infiltrations and even rpg stuff for the fun of it. This was my most played minecraft server and i miss it everyday. Yuti, the creator, was devastated when he was thretened to remove this mod he worked so hard on. This wasn't his first mod, he worked on plenty of games in the past. The whole community joined in to comfort him and we even pooled together to gift him something to remember this server by.
I remember being pissed as a pre-teen that one Wolfe straight-up DMCA'd basically all of Bukkit and thought it was an overzealous thing to do. Now 10 years later and now I know the context behind this and now I think that they were 100% right in DMCA-ing the whole thing, they were practically doing free labor for Mojang under the pretense of an independent open-source project. Shame on Mojang for this type of slimy shit and it really goes to show that they were slimy pieces of shit even pre-Microsoft.
It's just insane... to think that Mojang stole Bukkit with no one the wiser, it was out of character for them at the time (at least in the public eye). Didn't help it was a messy situation and clear information about who was in the wrong hard to find, unless you read forum threads. I don't recall many vids at the time explaining it well, even now tbh (other than this video).
That, my friend, is called growth. Many people get stuck in one mindset and refuse to ever see someone else's side of the story regardless of the facts presented to them. I'm guessing your age-range based on your comment but it's nice to see someone young with already developed critical thinking skills. Maybe there is some hope for humanity! 😁
Cracking down on the Jenny mod, a mod that you have to actually seek for and even then regulated towards adults, while completely ignoring servers that present gambling towards kids, while said servers are being shown front and center because they have a popular name tied to them, is the most ironic and hypocritical thing I've seen a company do.
@@ricedbroccolihis local government was harassing him and trying to take his land if I recall correctly so he decided to destroy government buildings with the killdozer no one was hurt except for the guy taking his own life after the dozer got disabled, his local government decided to screw around and they found out
It's like when they took down moneplex for having guns, but everyone was so angry that they just stopped. Which is a good thing. Minecraft is a game for everyone mojang says so. Not just for 7 year olds.
When kids find these mods they usually find it by actively searching for them, it's more likely for someone to get hit by a meteor compared to finding porn mods by accident.(parents should look at what their kids are doing)
Sorry but you did get some of the Pixelmon information wrong. Pixelmon Reforged didn't come out first, it came out after two different Pixelmon mods merged and became Pixelmon Generations. For some reason people prefer Reforged over Generations based on the lies that Reforged likes to spew, BOTH versions of the new Pixelmon have developers from the original, Reforged just REALLY likes to start drama and spread misinformation. Generations has offered to merge with Reforged multiple times but Reforged continued to refuse. Reforged's drama and toxicity is why Cobblemon exists now, a dev from Reforged quit and made his own Pixelmon. Technically Generations itself as a mod isn't getting updated but now it is an addon to Cobblemon, Devs for it don't want to continue the drama that Reforged seems to enjoy. The biggest speculation is that the original Pixelmon never actually received a DMCA and that's why they are able to remake Pixelmon again without receiving another, unfortunately there is no real confirmation on this.
Its really weird people dont realize generations has devs from the old pixelmon too. Imo personally generations is simply too slow in developing, but it has insane graphic designs and models compared to reforged. Because it had too slow of a development it died down, no server would use generations, who was so far behind, over reforged. At some point in the past they did have somewhat of an equal fight though.
@@Thealseie cobblemon sadly dont have much for now than pixelmon. So we cant say which is better. There's that big difference of time. Pixelmon was there for years and Cobblemon still has much to do. But i think that cobblemon will be a masterpiece in the future so i waiting for new updates and features. Sorry for bad english. Can make mistakes if there's some
Generally speaking... I've said this before about modding. Any mod should be allowed to exist, so long as that mod isnt illegal or breaking a law of some kind. People shouldn't discuss any mod that's not fit for the ears of one younger, in a space where theres a reasonable suspicion that someone may not be an adult. If no one talked about the Jenny mod, it never would've been more mainstream. But people who saw it said "CONTENT" instead of leaving it the fuck alone. They used it as shock value for views, which in turn just exposed their younger audience to something they should've have never been. Mojang blamed the wrong people in my opinion... Is it weird as fuck? Yes. Is it hurting anyone? When its in the proper channels, no. Were the people responsible for spreading it, primarily content. creators? Yes. In my opinion, the blame fell mostly on the creators that were responsible... But also the parents for probably letting their kid have unsolicited access to the net.
Nah dude, the parents have no blame here. You might say "Oh b-b-but TH-cam Kids!" when TheMisterEpic himself has made videos on the depraved stuff on that platform already. Also, even the best parents unfortunately can't protect their kids from everything, which is actually a good thing - growing up too sheltered by overly-controlling parents can be just as damaging as growing up overly neglected. It's entirely as you said - content creators milked it for shock value, and TH-cam allowed it on their platform. Those are the two parties at fault for that whole fiasco.
The jenny mod should have not existed in the first place. There are games and experiences made for adults for a reason Why do you need to mod something like that into a game made for children Developers especially if the game is made for children have every right to ruin stuff like this.
@@neondanmods it's so weird how every game ever is "for kids", like adults don't like to play games, or once a game is 20yo the 10yos that played it when it came out aren't 30yos now, or that the people even capable of modding it in the furst place aren't adults. there's a difference between putting adult content into SPACES for kids, and just having adult content. you don't invite kids to your jenny server. that'd be fnckin weird. playing fun games for yourself and your friends isn't fncking weird. y'all just get all weird and jealous about it when others are having fun without you. anyway, yes. parents should absolutely be monitoring their kids' software installs. if a kid doesn't have access TO install software, that's not the same thing as helicoptering them.
If youre breaking minecrafts rules then that is yo an extent breaking law as youre from that point on breaking the tos which is in fact a reason for them to potentialy take legal action. From paid mods, to straight up copied and stolen ones, or straight up p*rnographic mods aswell
Massive enormous kudos to Bukkit dev. His work was stolen without his knowledge or consent and he did something almost unheard of: use the DMCA system for its intended purpose.
The whole Jenny mod situation is hilarious but I still feel bad for its creator, you can dislike how someone mods something but you need to consider what the mod does, it's not like the Jenny mod would've fractured a country's economy.
It is just a mod, and it’s not even on most mainstream modding websites for minecraft, and it’s hard to find, the only reason why it got banned is because youtubers kept making videos on it even though they knew it would likely get banned. I do still have a file of it because I knew it would get banned and having rare mods is cool.
that Bukkit story was so unbelievable I honestly am shocked. to think all this server software we still commonly use today is still in many ways tied to such an incident. I'm just glad that dude was actually able to be successful in his code takedown. deserved by Mojang honestly...
It's kinda wild that Mojang can just outright ban mods. Like, it's a sandbox game where you're meant to be able to do whatever you want, and you have to ACTIVELY go searching for these mods to use them, so it's not like people are just going to stumble across them without themselves seeking it out. They allow all sorts of shady and scummy things to run rampant on servers to take money from Little Timmy, but heaven forbid someone wants to look at some jiggly cubes or something.
I don't really get how they even get away with it. As long as the jar files don't have copyrighted content, they're just that. Jar files with random lines of code. Not to mention that you need fabric/forge/whatever to make then run in the first place, which is also not owned by Mojang. So technically, the rule that you cannot sell mods for Minecraft is just- not valid, right? I mean, I could be wrong of course, but I don't see how they can enforce this, outside of course making you go poor through legal fees.
@@GliYch I'm no lawyer, but to me it just seems like Mojang/Microsoft really just want full control over the game. If someone does something they personally don't like, they go after it. Like, the fact is that you need to find and download a mod loader, install it, find and download the mod, put it into the mods folder, then make sure you're playing the right version of the game. I dunno about most people, but even just that was too much for kid me. I think that if kids are finding and playing these mods, that's entirely on them for going out and looking for them. Mojang shouldn't be allowed to police someone's actions based on that of another.
they let all those scummy things run rampant because they have a hand in creating/profiting off of them. They don't want mods to be paid or have things that don't appeal to wide audiences because they won't make a profit. That's why they made bedrock marketplace where they sell other peoples mods and take a cut.
some ppl might scream the thumbnail was clickbait, but that implies the content in the thumbnail isn't present. I can assure you, *that* mod will be discussed
Former original Pixelmon and Reforged dev here (even though I only played a small part in Pixelmon development. My focus was primarily in official sidemods). The blacklist for Pixelmon was made with good intentions, primarily to protect servers from chronic abusers. Primarily, people that made hacks or distributed software that harmed server's in some way shape or form. There was a very high bar to getting blacklisted from the mod and it was almost never used minus a few cases. That being said, I believe the decision to add it was an mistake. Now adays, Pixelmon Reforged is safe to play without any of that code. Though I no longer pay close attention to that community.
If you need to hide the code in an obscure file instead of announcing it publicly when developing a mod for the public, you are wrong in your actions. People trust you that your mod does what it says it does. If you add a new feature, you must document it or you are betraying that trust, plain and simple. When Mojang added the server blacklist, they didn't try to hide it. They said it outright, and if you didn't like it, you could mod it away if you so wished.
@@nikolaysitnikov796 If I remember correctly, mojang's server blacklist wasn't announced publicly at the start. Servers would just get shadow banned. The game would silently check if the server you were trying to connect to was on the blacklist and then pretend to have connection issues if it was. It was only announced publicly after the community caught on.
Most software as a service, especially Adobe products, movies and series as the streaming service thing changed from being kinda nice to absurd, AAA games, especially Nintendo’s and medical books are ok on my list
@@Gadottinho Contrary to the popular opinion, I don't believe in pirating EA stuff, much less Mojang, although I'm also not really believing that purchasing anything from them is right either - In the end though, actually making your purchase is the bigger good.
I remember the whole bukkit fiasco, I was literally just starting my server, and if you didn't know a lot of tech, there wasn't another option at the time.
fun fact: Pixelmon Generations is still being worked on, they're just mostly silent about it as they completely redid the backend to work with Cobblemon
I suspect that mojang stopped banning R-18 mods was because that they lost so many customers after they ban Jenny and Kit of knapping. Player used to play minecraft since early 2010s are now old enough to play R-18 mods, so why stopping them?
@@R_E_D22 You are free to modify software that you own as you see fit. You are free to write and distribute your modifications to software you own, so long as you are not distributing any part of the core software that is owned by another company (Mojang). Filing DMCA claims against developers who follow these guidelines is intimidation and an abuse of power. If any such developer had the time, money, and inclination to defend themselves in court, they would win. Mandatory "Talk to a lawyer. Don't take this as legal advice for your situation."
A little tip from a developer myself, developers sometimes do dmca waves where they do a bunch of them at once after gathering an extensive list, it helps them stop workarounds by just doing them in waves like how blizzard banned 2 million players using bots all at once they do it in waves for simplifying the already annoying dmca takedown which as I've had to do it before, it's a Hassel when it's just the 1 of you so they have a massive team doing them all at once I'd assume
I'm actually one of the people that archived SchnurriTV's mod. I found his mod while looking for weird Minecraft mods for the funnies, and then got sucked down the SchnurriTV devlog rabbithole (which wasn't deep but interesting nonetheless). I was in awe by the guy's dedication and talent, even if it was for something that was very peculiar. I still have the mod on my PC, and plan on keeping it as a sort of Internet fossil of sorts. It was a really well-coded and well-animated mod. I hope he's doing good rn.
He has since given the mod to someone else who still keeps up with the mod but doesn't update it very frequently, she posts updates on her twitter from time to time. She also has a website for it that is still up at the time of making this comment.
Honestly I don't feel like you should be able to DMCA mods tbh, or as much to point limiting what people can do with game like 18+ mods. It's cringe sure, but I think people should have creative freedom without Mojang being nanny
Microsoft owns Minecraft. It wouldn't look pretty if you knowingly allow a mod of, let's say, promoting a certain austrian man, or a mod about doing not very nice things to certain groups of people. Modders do not, cannot and will never own the code of games they mod for, this is by law, unless they make an entire new game, or somehow manage to buy the IP, they cannot do whatever they want with said IP. Game devs tend to turn a blind eye on mods so long as they don't do messed up things, and others, like Mojang, help out modders, so long as they follow (very inconsistent) guidelines. Modding is cool, but we aren't entitled to ti, nor should we force gamedevs to bend backwards to others. They own the code, they wrote the code, and they allow us to modify that code for silly little goofs.
@@robertm9631 Microsoft/Mojang/Minecraft's house, Microsoft/Mojang/Minecraft's rules. Modders build off of a platform that they don't own and did not build, so they have to follow that platform's rules. Granted, whoever owns the platform needs to make it clear what the rules are so that people can hopefully follow them without issue. If modders want to be able to do whatever they want without being beholden to anyone, then they need to make their own game/platform where they can control the rules.
Pixelmon: puts in code to give them the power to ban players from a specific server, DMCA's criticism, gets massive outrage and shuts down Mojang: puts in code to ban players from _literally any server,_ DMCA's criticism, gets away with it
@@commodorex They literally had to change the original EULA to make that possible. Many of us who bought the game earlier initially signed up for a completely different terms of service, one which simply said we owned the game, which the bans violate. I'm not sure on the legality of this but its definitely iffy. Additionally, they have abused DMCA, using it outside its legal bounds. Antvenom has a video where he discusses how this has been done against Bugrock developers. Plus there's been the whole fiasco with Minecraft Movie DMCA. Pixelmon was definitely not operating legally, but Mojang has done some remarkably shady stuff recently.
@@commodorex Your argument is also flawed, just because they own the rights to the game doesn't mean they should have the right to forcibly remove an entire feature of the game from a particular player who payed in a DEFINITELY targeted attack.
@@normified The reason why the original argument is flawed is because it implied that the two cases were of equal tiers. A double standard that does not exist. Pixelmon is a mod. Mojang owns the game.
When I heard about the SchnurriTV mod getting shut down I was honestly pretty scared that that was just the beginning and that Mojang would also try to get Gun Mods or other mods of the kind removed which thankfully didn’t happen
Hasn't happened yet. All it takes is a concerned group writing to Microsoft or Mojang and one of their employees feeling overzealous about protecting people from what they want to do with a game they own
EA is a shit company but even THEY don't try to interfere with mods for having inappropriate content. As long as the content involved doesn't break real-world laws. They really try to crack down on sims mods that allow you to make simulated CP and whatnot, but that's about it. In both the Maxi's era and the current EA era, sims mods with graphic violence, realistic sex, uncensored adult nudity, drugs, kidnapping, and sometimes even cannibalism were always left alone. Because they understand that it's not their place to decide an adult player's experience just because sometimes kids play the sims games. (Hell, EA made reference to the most popular nsfw sims 4 mod, wickedwhims, by naming an item from the laundry pack 'wicker whims'. Mojang could never.) Never thought i'd see the day when EA was better about something than Mojang.
jesus christ i hadn't even considered that people would mod that kind of illegal thing into the sims, and I've seen a lot of mods. That's depressing as hell. But yeah EA gets a win on this one. It is very cool that despite their absurd content pack pricing, modding is free. I do think that comparing the Sims 4 and Minecraft in age range is a little unfair, the Sims 4 is definitely a for a bit of an older audience in every way (more of a chill simulator than a potentially thrilling game like Minecraft, it already has Woohooing, boring adult jobs/life choices, etc.). Not that there aren't kids who play the Sims, but Minecraft's brand has definitely been 'for kids' in the last 8 years.
Why do people have to make sex mods for games like that anyway? it's perfectly right for devs to come after you for that,if you really want to beat it then buy p*rn games simple
@@midnight4685 When i say kids, i was mostly referring to younger teens, since sims games are rated T. not too far off from minecraft's E10+ rating. 13-year-olds are definitely a big part of both games' intended demographic. Minecraft breeding is about as graphic as sims 4's woohoo, mining isn't a particularly fun job IRL (and you can't really speed through the work day like you can in sims), both vanilla games' violence is pretty tame, death in the sims 4 is slightly more dramatic than minecraft's deaths, but not by much... In my opinion, the modding thing still mostly applies.
So a little about the jenny mod.. Schnurri is a German, which means that to own a website, he needs to have his personal information available on the site. There's problem one. Then mojang DMCA'd him, that's problem two. It's those things coming together that made him stop working on the mod, which fun fact, had a custom lighting system. Why I know this information is for me to know.
"Schnurri is a German, which means that to own a website, he needs to have his personal information available on the site." How is Germany even a real place E: just found out Germany taxes you if you're religious and will go to extremes to unearth any lies and make SURE they're getting their 9% of your income every year
A thing i don't understand is why moders for Java aren't allowed to earn money from what they make. But Bedrock modders (Skin makers, Map makers, Texturepack) Are allowed to sell it on the Minecraft Marketplace. It sounds like Microsoft wants to get rid of Java modding
@@itzthepanther7999 it can be used however the person wants to use it, because its a mod and doesn't have guidelines or anything. This is the same stupid argument people make for custom cod emblems being removed. People think it was removed because people would make offensive emblems, when in actuality it's because they wanted to start selling emblems instead of letting people make their own.
I have a Steam deck and have to agree. Making a gaming tablet actually good is difficult, but even if it is that's ignoring you can't play most pc games because you're on android. Plus with the alternatives you actually get controller input AND touchscreen, instead of only having to use touchscreen. And I bet the steam deck's price is way better too.
Here's likely what happened: Corporate MBA Type: "I want to clean up the multiplayer minecraft scene. this group, i want to ban grifers, that group will ban adult content." (Employees do what they're told for a couple weeks) Corporate MBA type: "Great work team! let's move on to (new thing that'll get me favorably looked at by the board)!" Employees: "yeah sure, whatever."
Gambling good. Physics bad. Booba bad. That's the first takeaway. The second is that mojang turned out to be surprisingly scummier than I could ever imagine.
12:50 I was there for the DMCA takedown. Heck of a time to be an in-college server admin. I downloaded the final Craftbukkit build off TPB and hoped for the best. Though from what I remember, it was *Craftbukkit* , the *implementation* of the Bukkit API, that Wolfe was able to take down by DMCA'ing his contributions. You can see it in the list of URLs that rises up the screen. IIRC through a herculean effort Spigot was able to compensate for the loss of Wolfe's code, and with their new BuildTools distribution system, saved the entire Bukkit server scene. Back then I was mad at Wolfe for making it harder to run my server, but as an adult now it's 100% justified and I'd be mad if he hadn't. Sucks how much the DMCA devastated the Bukkit website though, it made some research and information completely impossible to find.
2:29 "Let's do not forget this anime girl-system thing that you can put on your screen as long as you want" "Let's get rid of that for now though" LOL 😂😂😂
there was a chat reporting system in place i believe, implemented 3 years ago. community told m*jang itd be a failure, but they insisted. 2 years later, surprise surprise, it was a failure. so now because of the way a lot of servers are implemented now, you can only report names and skins. tldr yes, but the only way you can get banned on minecraft is if you have less than 5 functioning braincells
God, you know you're getting fucking old when you're surprised to hear that most people now have no idea what the pixelmon malicious code scandal or fucking Bukkit was
The bukkit API still lives on inside spigot/paper and all the forks thereof. Decade old legacy code. And paper is trying to move away from it. It doesn't fit as well with modern Minecraft's code as datapacks make the game more configurable (Particularly around things like paintings etc, which are dynamic now rather than a static list of painting variants). You've reminded me that, perhaps it's also to get out from under Mojang's thumb if they still own the Bukkit project, and therefore the Bukkit API spec....
Minestom is a pretty decent option for that, There are a lot of projects like it too. But keep in mind that Minestom does not implement vanilla features on its own and is more of a framework to build on top of.
first of all the "jenny mod" and schurritvs mod are the same thing and secondly, even though it was dmca'd its still around under a new name and being actively developed
The funny thing about the DMCA takedown of Bukkit is that he only could do it (from my understanding of the GPL), because Bukkit violated the GPL by using Mojangs code, which wasn’t licensed under a GPL-compatible license.
Mojang: being able to ban people from any server that runs your software is not cool. Stopping abusers is not an excuse. Microsoft: what if we paid you? Mojang: actually banning people from any server is important for safety
As someone who uses Pixelmon a lot, I had no idea Pixelmon did such a thing as blacklisting servers with their mod. Genuinely psychotic that Pixelmon did that at one point. And the 18+ mods you showed off in the video... they sure are unhinged. I'll just say that.
I had no idea that mojang and MS tried to steal bukkit like that. I made a couple bukkit servers with my friends growing up and they were way better than anything else at the time
@@mathias6369I have the jar file but only the 1.12 version as that’s the only version that existed. It will also likely get banned if I reupload it. Had a look at the video, the mod I actually have is the Jenny mod but not the one that was in his video.
I never knew that about bukkit. It's good to have the information now but that guy was 100% in the right to delete the code. Imagine working for a multibillion-dollar company and not being paid for it, all the while not knowing that they technically own it. That was completely unjustified by Mojang. Though another thing, I'm surprised, there wasn't anything about gun related mods in here. Cuz I know that they went on a spree taking those down but there's one that even I still use right now called MrCrayfish gun mod. Which has a ton of add-ons as well. Either way, this was a very interesting video, well done. :]
Alright so, i was questioning for awhile "where's the kidnap mod?, i need it to make my cowboy series fun", and yep this explains why i couldn't find it, i thought it only had rope, npc's and a robbery system, ya i was dead wrong
depends on what monitor tech it uses, be it TN, VA, IPS, or OLED. Good gaming monitors are overpriced to hell. That $500 monitor is (and I hate this fact) entry-level, with the actually great stuff costing around $1000.
For the physics mod, i have some underground info, there was an arms race between telegram leakers, they would leak and crack the auth on the mod, eventually one of them filed a complaint to mojang to get it to be free. Thats why it was singled out
13:56 I remember a video on TH-cam about this when I was quite young, maybe 13 or less, and I did have a history with this type of thing back then which led me to be… let’s say from a teen to a degenerate.
Is it? I'm trying to look for it, but I don't quite know where. Especially since any links I do find may or may not be viruses... How do I know they're not?
I have first hand info with the schnurri [][][] mod. I actually was one of the first to help with the project. When they posted the concept with Jenny belle and more characters of those creators like odyssey Ellie and Bia the bear. I supported him by donating 10$ to the mod in it's early stages and as a reward of sorts he added me as an Easter egg. Each gal could appear in different structurea around the map, each one with a theme for them, Jenny had a simple house on plains and oak forests, ody had a gothic looking mansion-ish house on spruce forests, and Bia had a Tiny house in birch forests, and that's where my Easter egg was included. There was a small chance that over the chest in the house would be an item frame holding a map, and said map had my Twitter PFP. A drawing made by another artist I commissioned. Between the things that happened with that mod, was the pressure of "fame" obtained due to tiktokers abusing the mod and giving it the jenny mod name (since Jenny belle is like the most recognizable R34 Minecraft character), to the point schnurri almost took their life off. Hopefully he was internated and was treated of their wounds. After that the even you mention of the government asking for the page contents and stuff is true. I think he lives on Germany or similar and he was always asked to show the contents to the government. Which apparently is a bit against NSFW stuff. So he "took down the page" by just being direct links to each instance of the mod plus any video showcasing updates. Until finally, the DMCA of Mojang happened. And he transfered all the mod content and code to a second user who as far as I know had taken a bit of another route with it. But keeping some of the key mechanics of the original, sadly, idk if things like the original characters or things like my Easter egg are still on it. Also, thanks for talking about it without shitting on the users. Plus clarifying that the schnurri and the "jenny mod" were the same one. Since another user who talked about that mod really was disrespectful with those who liked the mod.
the mod still has the same characters and new ones are being added if your easter egg was implemented as some mysterious map item that i vaguely recall seeing in JEI, i'm afraid that might have been removed, although i'm not 100% sure
@@scarymaster2045 well how would you know if 100 houses without it aren't just bad luck? it'd be more reliable to decompile the mod and look at the code with some know-how
Whats the Bukkit guy up to nowadays? Genuinely curious. 15 thousand lines of code and being the backbone of that mod is wild. Super talented guy and obviously very VERY dedicated. I wonder what hes up to, would love to support that guy.
Really kinda hate Nintendo for all their abuse of the legal system. "Oh, you REFERENCED our game in yours? FULL FORCE LAWSUIT!!!" Like... C'mon, I'm pretty sure Nintendo is not above sueing LITERAL CHILDREN. Someday I hope they bite off more than they can chew and lose a lawsuit and get taken down quite a few notches.
Honestly am hoping they lose the Palworld lawsuit, PocketPair has a huge mobile company wanting to make a Palworld mobile game, and Microsoft and Sony as partners, so I'm REALLY hoping Nintendo loses this one.
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Lol
Will do
yessir
you should advertise your server
Dunno why everyone was so mad at the bukkit guy, he was totally in the right for deleting his code. To think that he unknowingly was working for Mojang and was being paid nothing for it is crazy, even if he wanted to contribute because he was passionate about it.
Yep. In my opinion he did the right thing.
it is such a good feeling to me to see a indepentant person exercise there right and FREAKING OWN a million dollar corp with there being nothing the corp can do about it in any way
it is one of THE most SATISFYING things in this world, and anyone who would object needs to be educated on what being exploited in this manner is like
this tbh
1000%. It's situations like this that I can point to and say "You can't always blame Microsoft for all of Mojang's bad deeds. They can be just as scummy. Not always, but the cracks are there." If I had the info and the wherewithal.... I'd take the shot too. My blood, sweat, and tears went into something like that, you're damn straight I'm getting some sweet vengeance for them stealing it like that. Especially broadcasting to the world "Erm acktually it's not going down, we are keeping up for EVERYONE, YAY US!" Like they are the peoples' heroes or something.
"How dare someone be upset at the trillion dollar company for using his work without compensation? I love eating corporate dick."
Mojang when servers literally make slot machines for kids: I sleep
Mojang when someone makes optional mods: THIS IS AN AVENGERS LEVEL THREAT
if mojang wants ANY moral high ground to stand on they need to permaban any server with gambling mechanics on it or lootboxes with paid keys first.
Minecraft community: creates optional slot machines for their servers
Mojang: le kalm
Jenny mod: Allow me to introduce myself
Mojang: *deepfried eyes XD* real shit! 😂👌
Jenny hawk tuah stonks: *dips*
Minecraft community: *surprised pikachu face*
Everyone involved: wholesome [-100]!
TH-cam commentary channels: are we blind? deploy the video essay slop!
Reddit: you were supposed to destroy the siths, mojang! not join them!
10 gold medals for part 2
They literally ban those servers too
@@f.n.8540 And then unban them
seriously, the eula had that added years ago and big youtubers like ssundee are still able to run gambling servers. it's gotten to the point that players have been taking them down themselves.
@@thegiantratthatmakesalloft9415Godzilla had a stroke trying to read this and fucking died
Ok but the twist with Bukkit is genuinely evil. They used their fans' work without compensation--fans who thought they were doing work for their community with their community--and only revealed that when one of the previous Bukkit devs tried to shut the whole thing down. If that never happened, then they'd probably still be doing this. That one guy who DMCA'd them was a goddamn hero.
he who sees red.
Sees blue
They weren't using their fans' work without their compensation any more than before the project was owned by them, after the purchase it still stayed as an open source project and the code written for it belonged to the community (outside of what was written by the hired contributors). I don't blame the guy for taking his work down because he had the full right to do that but I don't see how what happend here can be called evil quite frankly, at worst it seems like a failure of communication.
@@snailymitch"Failure of communication" isn't a valid excuse when it was deliberately kept a secret between Mojang and the hired Devs.
@@snailymitch it was kept secret bruh, and they had said they had "purchased it", which means jack shit, they had 2 people who had some shares of it give it to them, at best they could contribute to it themself or remove the code they had done but beyond that, they didn't own it.
Bukkit learned the hard way about business ethics.
13:25 "Kinda sad that someone is trying to ruin everythin for everyone"
Bro was putting his life work into something to his understanding that he had an ownership of just to find out that his buddies sold the project to a billion dollar company 2 years prior behind their back. Of course he's going to sue the shit out of them and claim all of his code. He wasn't paid for it at all and isn't going to let some shmuck in a cubicle take it from him for free.
Ergo Bukkit dies. Rightfully so. Not because of the claim from Bro but because of Mojang's shady backrooms deal.
No, they were hired on as developers when they signed their contracts.They gave away their rights technically Mojing didn't own the Property property, which no one really looked into, but because each person owned a percent of it, they owned those 2 peoples per cent, which does mean that he couldn't take it down without their permission, which meant that his percent was lessen. There's rapid, they probably had the most percent. However, they're also dumb because, with non pay like freelance work like this. Technically? They wouldn't own an either way. Cause the code would still be owned by the developers. Cause no one sign contracts for a free development.
And if it's ever caught 1 day. That mojang used any of the code from within there. Technically, they could still be sued.
Actually mojang did something very illegal by not telling people who owns the open source project and that they work for free for.
@@shadowwalker8296 Contracts made under deception (also known as fraudulent inducement) or coercion get challenged and potentially voided or rescinded in court.
That's crazy, seems like Mojang 100% knew, since I've never heard that Bukkit was official Mojang software before, so they were hiding that for a reason
@@Keksemann666 that's true and all but based pfp
Jenny mod being dmca'd is so funny, probably that bought more attention to it than leaving it be
Classic Streisand effect
At least she’ll live on in unofficial, under the radar mods (if people make them) and definitely r34. Gone, yet more accurately, change in industry job. She on the big screen now! (Edit: been reminded it transferred ownership so it’s still alive)
Ong they have their own website now lmao
@@SkyRecruit18 the "official" one is now called fapcraft. OG dev gave code to another person who renamed it to that. not sure what website ur talkin about tho
Remember, if they DMCA it, it’s canon
that Bukkit story is insane. Good on that guy for taking his revenge though.
Yeah, companies still don't seem to care about respecting the GPL or LGPL
@@daedalus6433 they really don't give a shit, unless it's a big project (for example, a company forks Linux, doesn't open-source, and Linus make a huge fuss)
@@Darwin-sd1gt Yeah, the issue with big companies being able to just strongarm everyone both by abusing copyright law and ignoring it when it is convenient for them. Makes me want to throw copyright out the window
The yuti kidnap mod...
I was part of the main server of the Yuti kidnap mod.
That was a fantastic server with a huge security to get in, forbidden to minors. And even when you were on, anything +18 was banned. It was just a comforting realm where adventures could be created with that 'damsel in distress' or 'captured hero/villain' type of fun.
We made many roleplay scenarios of rescues, infiltrations and even rpg stuff for the fun of it. This was my most played minecraft server and i miss it everyday.
Yuti, the creator, was devastated when he was thretened to remove this mod he worked so hard on. This wasn't his first mod, he worked on plenty of games in the past.
The whole community joined in to comfort him and we even pooled together to gift him something to remember this server by.
"it's enough to make a grown man cry, and that's ok."
😂@@repentanceee
gooners
So basically, to low attention span this comment
70% using this mod to recreate cs_italy
and the other 30% using this mod for le bad
This mod was the only reason I downloaded Minecraft. Shame it got shut down.
I remember being pissed as a pre-teen that one Wolfe straight-up DMCA'd basically all of Bukkit and thought it was an overzealous thing to do. Now 10 years later and now I know the context behind this and now I think that they were 100% right in DMCA-ing the whole thing, they were practically doing free labor for Mojang under the pretense of an independent open-source project. Shame on Mojang for this type of slimy shit and it really goes to show that they were slimy pieces of shit even pre-Microsoft.
It's just insane... to think that Mojang stole Bukkit with no one the wiser, it was out of character for them at the time (at least in the public eye). Didn't help it was a messy situation and clear information about who was in the wrong hard to find, unless you read forum threads. I don't recall many vids at the time explaining it well, even now tbh (other than this video).
That, my friend, is called growth. Many people get stuck in one mindset and refuse to ever see someone else's side of the story regardless of the facts presented to them. I'm guessing your age-range based on your comment but it's nice to see someone young with already developed critical thinking skills. Maybe there is some hope for humanity! 😁
yeah man that story was unbelievable honestly
@@GothBoyUK I was a teenager when Bukkit was a thing, and now I'm almost 30 💀
It goes to show that Mojang has always been a shitty company, it's not Microsoft forcing them to.
Cracking down on the Jenny mod, a mod that you have to actually seek for and even then regulated towards adults, while completely ignoring servers that present gambling towards kids, while said servers are being shown front and center because they have a popular name tied to them, is the most ironic and hypocritical thing I've seen a company do.
I mean that's just classic western pearl clutching in a nutshell.
jenny mod was a weird ass mod. I'm glade that shit was banned, a bunch of gooners defending it... like dawg go get a gf
Bukkit dev who DMCA'd Mojang was honestly awesome. Real Killdozer energy.
"killdozer energy" makes me laugh, lmao
"killdozer energy" is so relatable
I know this is a joke, but Marvin heemyer was an entitled asshole throwing a tantrum, not a hero fighting corruption
@@ricedbroccolihis local government was harassing him and trying to take his land if I recall correctly so he decided to destroy government buildings with the killdozer no one was hurt except for the guy taking his own life after the dozer got disabled, his local government decided to screw around and they found out
@@ricedbroccoli hello bootlicking cocsucker
It's like when they took down moneplex for having guns, but everyone was so angry that they just stopped. Which is a good thing. Minecraft is a game for everyone mojang says so. Not just for 7 year olds.
Ah sweet. I didn't know that Mojang decided to use their brain and leave them alone. Hooray for Moneplex!
Despite the fact that there are 7 year olds on COD...
really? I thought Mojang went all scorched earth on any servers with guns in them.
When kids find these mods they usually find it by actively searching for them, it's more likely for someone to get hit by a meteor compared to finding porn mods by accident.(parents should look at what their kids are doing)
Blame Microsoft, not Mojang
once something is on the internet its there forever. theres definitely ways to still find these mods
yea, with 500+ viruses
(you should use a Virtual Machine with a pirated minecraft account in order to not get hacked while playing)
unfortunately, there are inherent risks in doing so. Many people have gotten compromised from malicious code trying to look like some "long-lost" mod.
wayback machine?
@@prenstopper doesn’t that mainly revolve around screenshotting everything than archiving files?
@@geekerandy8773 I tried it before, it does archive files
Sorry but you did get some of the Pixelmon information wrong.
Pixelmon Reforged didn't come out first, it came out after two different Pixelmon mods merged and became Pixelmon Generations. For some reason people prefer Reforged over Generations based on the lies that Reforged likes to spew, BOTH versions of the new Pixelmon have developers from the original, Reforged just REALLY likes to start drama and spread misinformation. Generations has offered to merge with Reforged multiple times but Reforged continued to refuse. Reforged's drama and toxicity is why Cobblemon exists now, a dev from Reforged quit and made his own Pixelmon. Technically Generations itself as a mod isn't getting updated but now it is an addon to Cobblemon, Devs for it don't want to continue the drama that Reforged seems to enjoy.
The biggest speculation is that the original Pixelmon never actually received a DMCA and that's why they are able to remake Pixelmon again without receiving another, unfortunately there is no real confirmation on this.
Oh interesting, i saw a lot of conflicting statements on Reddit about it and it was hard to find the true information free from bias
Eh, Cobblemon is way better anyway
Its really weird people dont realize generations has devs from the old pixelmon too. Imo personally generations is simply too slow in developing, but it has insane graphic designs and models compared to reforged. Because it had too slow of a development it died down, no server would use generations, who was so far behind, over reforged. At some point in the past they did have somewhat of an equal fight though.
@@Thealseie cobblemon sadly dont have much for now than pixelmon. So we cant say which is better. There's that big difference of time. Pixelmon was there for years and Cobblemon still has much to do. But i think that cobblemon will be a masterpiece in the future so i waiting for new updates and features.
Sorry for bad english. Can make mistakes if there's some
This lowkey sounds like the most childish discord drama I've ever heard💀
Generally speaking... I've said this before about modding.
Any mod should be allowed to exist, so long as that mod isnt illegal or breaking a law of some kind.
People shouldn't discuss any mod that's not fit for the ears of one younger, in a space where theres a reasonable suspicion that someone may not be an adult.
If no one talked about the Jenny mod, it never would've been more mainstream. But people who saw it said "CONTENT" instead of leaving it the fuck alone. They used it as shock value for views, which in turn just exposed their younger audience to something they should've have never been.
Mojang blamed the wrong people in my opinion... Is it weird as fuck? Yes. Is it hurting anyone? When its in the proper channels, no.
Were the people responsible for spreading it, primarily content. creators? Yes. In my opinion, the blame fell mostly on the creators that were responsible...
But also the parents for probably letting their kid have unsolicited access to the net.
Nah dude, the parents have no blame here. You might say "Oh b-b-but TH-cam Kids!" when TheMisterEpic himself has made videos on the depraved stuff on that platform already. Also, even the best parents unfortunately can't protect their kids from everything, which is actually a good thing - growing up too sheltered by overly-controlling parents can be just as damaging as growing up overly neglected. It's entirely as you said - content creators milked it for shock value, and TH-cam allowed it on their platform. Those are the two parties at fault for that whole fiasco.
The jenny mod should have not existed in the first place.
There are games and experiences made for adults for a reason
Why do you need to mod something like that into a game made for children
Developers especially if the game is made for children have every right to ruin stuff like this.
@@neondanmodsi wouldnt say minecraft is a game for kids. More like, a kid dominate audiences.
@@neondanmods
it's so weird how every game ever is "for kids", like adults don't like to play games, or once a game is 20yo the 10yos that played it when it came out aren't 30yos now, or that the people even capable of modding it in the furst place aren't adults.
there's a difference between putting adult content into SPACES for kids, and just having adult content. you don't invite kids to your jenny server. that'd be fnckin weird. playing fun games for yourself and your friends isn't fncking weird. y'all just get all weird and jealous about it when others are having fun without you.
anyway, yes. parents should absolutely be monitoring their kids' software installs. if a kid doesn't have access TO install software, that's not the same thing as helicoptering them.
If youre breaking minecrafts rules then that is yo an extent breaking law as youre from that point on breaking the tos which is in fact a reason for them to potentialy take legal action.
From paid mods, to straight up copied and stolen ones, or straight up p*rnographic mods aswell
Massive enormous kudos to Bukkit dev. His work was stolen without his knowledge or consent and he did something almost unheard of: use the DMCA system for its intended purpose.
The whole Jenny mod situation is hilarious but I still feel bad for its creator, you can dislike how someone mods something but you need to consider what the mod does, it's not like the Jenny mod would've fractured a country's economy.
FOR REAL
not yet, anyway.
go goon somewhere else bro
It is just a mod, and it’s not even on most mainstream modding websites for minecraft, and it’s hard to find, the only reason why it got banned is because youtubers kept making videos on it even though they knew it would likely get banned. I do still have a file of it because I knew it would get banned and having rare mods is cool.
@@Greatduck777You've acquired a rare piece of history
bukkit really pulled a totem of undying
So did jenny mod (via fapcrait) and pixelmon (via cobblemon) lol
Can't have minecraft sex, literally 1984.
Real
The square booba is TOO SPICY
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it was viscerally satisfying to hear how that contributor reacted to the Bukkit situation
that Bukkit story was so unbelievable I honestly am shocked. to think all this server software we still commonly use today is still in many ways tied to such an incident. I'm just glad that dude was actually able to be successful in his code takedown. deserved by Mojang honestly...
Jenny mod got DMCA therefore she is canon to the minecraft lore, now.
Mojang shot themselfs in the foot for that one
True 😂
It's kinda wild that Mojang can just outright ban mods. Like, it's a sandbox game where you're meant to be able to do whatever you want, and you have to ACTIVELY go searching for these mods to use them, so it's not like people are just going to stumble across them without themselves seeking it out.
They allow all sorts of shady and scummy things to run rampant on servers to take money from Little Timmy, but heaven forbid someone wants to look at some jiggly cubes or something.
I don't really get how they even get away with it. As long as the jar files don't have copyrighted content, they're just that. Jar files with random lines of code.
Not to mention that you need fabric/forge/whatever to make then run in the first place, which is also not owned by Mojang.
So technically, the rule that you cannot sell mods for Minecraft is just- not valid, right?
I mean, I could be wrong of course, but I don't see how they can enforce this, outside of course making you go poor through legal fees.
@@GliYch I'm no lawyer, but to me it just seems like Mojang/Microsoft really just want full control over the game. If someone does something they personally don't like, they go after it.
Like, the fact is that you need to find and download a mod loader, install it, find and download the mod, put it into the mods folder, then make sure you're playing the right version of the game. I dunno about most people, but even just that was too much for kid me.
I think that if kids are finding and playing these mods, that's entirely on them for going out and looking for them. Mojang shouldn't be allowed to police someone's actions based on that of another.
they let all those scummy things run rampant because they have a hand in creating/profiting off of them. They don't want mods to be paid or have things that don't appeal to wide audiences because they won't make a profit. That's why they made bedrock marketplace where they sell other peoples mods and take a cut.
some ppl might scream the thumbnail was clickbait, but that implies the content in the thumbnail isn't present.
I can assure you, *that* mod will be discussed
At least it isn't hidden somewhere in the middle of the video and only shows a few seconds
me who just installed Pixelmon yesterday seeing the thumbnail
It's still available lol. You installed reforged. Original pixelmon has been gone for awhile
@@syndan9245it’s not the same anymore, they made it too smooth.
Virtues last reward… it’s been so long
Cobblemon is the superior mod anyway, I strongly suggest it over Pixelmon
@@bavarian_mappingit’s better if you like the old blocky style
Seph: Development is ending.
Jeb: The project's not _yours_ to discontinue
An unpaid and disgruntled dev: Bet.
Former original Pixelmon and Reforged dev here (even though I only played a small part in Pixelmon development. My focus was primarily in official sidemods). The blacklist for Pixelmon was made with good intentions, primarily to protect servers from chronic abusers. Primarily, people that made hacks or distributed software that harmed server's in some way shape or form. There was a very high bar to getting blacklisted from the mod and it was almost never used minus a few cases.
That being said, I believe the decision to add it was an mistake. Now adays, Pixelmon Reforged is safe to play without any of that code. Though I no longer pay close attention to that community.
If you need to hide the code in an obscure file instead of announcing it publicly when developing a mod for the public, you are wrong in your actions.
People trust you that your mod does what it says it does. If you add a new feature, you must document it or you are betraying that trust, plain and simple. When Mojang added the server blacklist, they didn't try to hide it. They said it outright, and if you didn't like it, you could mod it away if you so wished.
@@nikolaysitnikov796This 1000%
@@nikolaysitnikov796 the only correct take
@@nikolaysitnikov796 If I remember correctly, mojang's server blacklist wasn't announced publicly at the start. Servers would just get shadow banned. The game would silently check if the server you were trying to connect to was on the blacklist and then pretend to have connection issues if it was. It was only announced publicly after the community caught on.
Like i always say
Pirating Nintendo and adobe stuff is morally correct
Agreed
They deserve to be pirated
@@matheuspires2462especially considering how scummy they treat costumers and comprtitors
And ubisoft, and ea, and, after seeing this video, mojang definitely too
Most software as a service, especially Adobe products, movies and series as the streaming service thing changed from being kinda nice to absurd, AAA games, especially Nintendo’s and medical books are ok on my list
@@Gadottinho Contrary to the popular opinion, I don't believe in pirating EA stuff, much less Mojang, although I'm also not really believing that purchasing anything from them is right either - In the end though, actually making your purchase is the bigger good.
I remember the whole bukkit fiasco, I was literally just starting my server, and if you didn't know a lot of tech, there wasn't another option at the time.
FREAKY AHH THUMBNAIL DAWG 😭
Hahaha I see you saw that one out of the 3
PS: search "zman Jenny mod" on TH-cam
praise skibidi or perish
@@n.-_trash language
@@n.-_no one cares kid
@@eurybiaball63that either a bot or ragebait, replying it wont do anything
fun fact: Pixelmon Generations is still being worked on, they're just mostly silent about it as they completely redid the backend to work with Cobblemon
Kidnap mod❌
Rope play✅
WT_F IS "ROPE PLAY?"?
@@E4ther_ what is this lost child doing here?
@@E4ther_ r/youngpeopleyoutube
@@E4ther_you dont wanna know, trust me
@@E4ther_bondage
I suspect that mojang stopped banning R-18 mods was because that they lost so many customers after they ban Jenny and Kit of knapping. Player used to play minecraft since early 2010s are now old enough to play R-18 mods, so why stopping them?
exactly, it's not Mojang's business what players do in their own private servers/games. They have no right to take it down
@@RazzleTheRed1 they do have a right to take stuff down its there game
They do but that doesnt mean they should @R_E_D22
@@R_E_D22
You are free to modify software that you own as you see fit. You are free to write and distribute your modifications to software you own, so long as you are not distributing any part of the core software that is owned by another company (Mojang).
Filing DMCA claims against developers who follow these guidelines is intimidation and an abuse of power. If any such developer had the time, money, and inclination to defend themselves in court, they would win.
Mandatory "Talk to a lawyer. Don't take this as legal advice for your situation."
@@R_E_D22 No one's putting it in Microsoft's game, people are downloading modifications to a program to run on their own computers
Pixelmon Generations still exists, its just not Pixelmon anymore. Its now an addon for Cobblemon!
A little tip from a developer myself, developers sometimes do dmca waves where they do a bunch of them at once after gathering an extensive list, it helps them stop workarounds by just doing them in waves like how blizzard banned 2 million players using bots all at once they do it in waves for simplifying the already annoying dmca takedown which as I've had to do it before, it's a Hassel when it's just the 1 of you so they have a massive team doing them all at once I'd assume
I'm actually one of the people that archived SchnurriTV's mod. I found his mod while looking for weird Minecraft mods for the funnies, and then got sucked down the SchnurriTV devlog rabbithole (which wasn't deep but interesting nonetheless). I was in awe by the guy's dedication and talent, even if it was for something that was very peculiar. I still have the mod on my PC, and plan on keeping it as a sort of Internet fossil of sorts. It was a really well-coded and well-animated mod. I hope he's doing good rn.
He has since given the mod to someone else who still keeps up with the mod but doesn't update it very frequently, she posts updates on her twitter from time to time. She also has a website for it that is still up at the time of making this comment.
@@Sirmixalittle Ooooh that's interesting, glad to see the legacy is continuing!
Mojang: we own bukkit
Random passionate dev: “wait what? No you don’t, see?”
Honestly I don't feel like you should be able to DMCA mods tbh, or as much to point limiting what people can do with game like 18+ mods. It's cringe sure, but I think people should have creative freedom without Mojang being nanny
they really cant, they can only DMCA content they own. They can only request a takedown, and people get scared and comply
DMCAing the 18+ mods were valid
Microsoft owns Minecraft. It wouldn't look pretty if you knowingly allow a mod of, let's say, promoting a certain austrian man, or a mod about doing not very nice things to certain groups of people. Modders do not, cannot and will never own the code of games they mod for, this is by law, unless they make an entire new game, or somehow manage to buy the IP, they cannot do whatever they want with said IP. Game devs tend to turn a blind eye on mods so long as they don't do messed up things, and others, like Mojang, help out modders, so long as they follow (very inconsistent) guidelines. Modding is cool, but we aren't entitled to ti, nor should we force gamedevs to bend backwards to others. They own the code, they wrote the code, and they allow us to modify that code for silly little goofs.
@@robertm9631 Microsoft/Mojang/Minecraft's house, Microsoft/Mojang/Minecraft's rules. Modders build off of a platform that they don't own and did not build, so they have to follow that platform's rules. Granted, whoever owns the platform needs to make it clear what the rules are so that people can hopefully follow them without issue. If modders want to be able to do whatever they want without being beholden to anyone, then they need to make their own game/platform where they can control the rules.
@@Corgisaurus-Rex Let me guess, you pay for marketplace?
Pixelmon: puts in code to give them the power to ban players from a specific server, DMCA's criticism, gets massive outrage and shuts down
Mojang: puts in code to ban players from _literally any server,_ DMCA's criticism, gets away with it
Well the difference is that Mojang literally owns the rights to the game, while Pixelmon doesn't. Your argument is flawed
I always play with no chat reports mod on those versions. I don't know how they didn't have more backlash for this change to be honest.
@@commodorex They literally had to change the original EULA to make that possible. Many of us who bought the game earlier initially signed up for a completely different terms of service, one which simply said we owned the game, which the bans violate. I'm not sure on the legality of this but its definitely iffy.
Additionally, they have abused DMCA, using it outside its legal bounds. Antvenom has a video where he discusses how this has been done against Bugrock developers. Plus there's been the whole fiasco with Minecraft Movie DMCA. Pixelmon was definitely not operating legally, but Mojang has done some remarkably shady stuff recently.
@@commodorex Your argument is also flawed, just because they own the rights to the game doesn't mean they should have the right to forcibly remove an entire feature of the game from a particular player who payed in a DEFINITELY targeted attack.
@@normified The reason why the original argument is flawed is because it implied that the two cases were of equal tiers. A double standard that does not exist. Pixelmon is a mod. Mojang owns the game.
When I heard about the SchnurriTV mod getting shut down I was honestly pretty scared that that was just the beginning and that Mojang would also try to get Gun Mods or other mods of the kind removed which thankfully didn’t happen
Hasn't happened yet. All it takes is a concerned group writing to Microsoft or Mojang and one of their employees feeling overzealous about protecting people from what they want to do with a game they own
Give it time, it's coming dude
EA is a shit company but even THEY don't try to interfere with mods for having inappropriate content. As long as the content involved doesn't break real-world laws. They really try to crack down on sims mods that allow you to make simulated CP and whatnot, but that's about it. In both the Maxi's era and the current EA era, sims mods with graphic violence, realistic sex, uncensored adult nudity, drugs, kidnapping, and sometimes even cannibalism were always left alone. Because they understand that it's not their place to decide an adult player's experience just because sometimes kids play the sims games. (Hell, EA made reference to the most popular nsfw sims 4 mod, wickedwhims, by naming an item from the laundry pack 'wicker whims'. Mojang could never.)
Never thought i'd see the day when EA was better about something than Mojang.
jesus christ i hadn't even considered that people would mod that kind of illegal thing into the sims, and I've seen a lot of mods. That's depressing as hell.
But yeah EA gets a win on this one. It is very cool that despite their absurd content pack pricing, modding is free.
I do think that comparing the Sims 4 and Minecraft in age range is a little unfair, the Sims 4 is definitely a for a bit of an older audience in every way (more of a chill simulator than a potentially thrilling game like Minecraft, it already has Woohooing, boring adult jobs/life choices, etc.). Not that there aren't kids who play the Sims, but Minecraft's brand has definitely been 'for kids' in the last 8 years.
@@midnight4685allthefallen look it up lol
Why do people have to make sex mods for games like that anyway? it's perfectly right for devs to come after you for that,if you really want to beat it then buy p*rn games simple
This is the one exception where taking down mods is actually fine imo
Nothing of valiue is lost, gooners should find something else to do
@@midnight4685 When i say kids, i was mostly referring to younger teens, since sims games are rated T. not too far off from minecraft's E10+ rating. 13-year-olds are definitely a big part of both games' intended demographic. Minecraft breeding is about as graphic as sims 4's woohoo, mining isn't a particularly fun job IRL (and you can't really speed through the work day like you can in sims), both vanilla games' violence is pretty tame, death in the sims 4 is slightly more dramatic than minecraft's deaths, but not by much... In my opinion, the modding thing still mostly applies.
Good for the Bukkit developer, imagine being exploited for working for free for a multi-billion corporation.
Mojang > you can't sell mods
Mojang > creates a marketplace for mods to sell on bedrock
So a little about the jenny mod.. Schnurri is a German, which means that to own a website, he needs to have his personal information available on the site. There's problem one. Then mojang DMCA'd him, that's problem two.
It's those things coming together that made him stop working on the mod, which fun fact, had a custom lighting system.
Why I know this information is for me to know.
"Schnurri is a German, which means that to own a website, he needs to have his personal information available on the site."
How is Germany even a real place
E: just found out Germany taxes you if you're religious and will go to extremes to unearth any lies and make SURE they're getting their 9% of your income every year
That's why we don't have an updated jenny mod for new versions
@@BihanduKulatunga we don't have an updated version because he didnt want to develop on newer versions. That's it. There's no deeper reason.
bro at first I thought "DMCA-ed physics mod? who did that? fucking Isaac Newton or something?"
Einstein's coming back from the grave for this one
🗣️🔥
A thing i don't understand is why moders for Java aren't allowed to earn money from what they make. But Bedrock modders (Skin makers, Map makers, Texturepack) Are allowed to sell it on the Minecraft Marketplace. It sounds like Microsoft wants to get rid of Java modding
Because on Bedrock, they can claim a portion of the revenue earned by selling those.
Because Java *modding* is completely free, Microsoft don't make money that way. But on the marketplace they get a cut of the money.
@@Neospection Java isn't free
@@joni4867 as in modding
@@joni4867 The modding aspect of it is
Nah that kidnap mod sounds insane, it would be fun to try and deffend against kidnappers with some gun mods with it though lol.
That's the thing about it. It was used in a more... You know what, way. 😅
@@itzthepanther7999 it can be used however the person wants to use it, because its a mod and doesn't have guidelines or anything. This is the same stupid argument people make for custom cod emblems being removed. People think it was removed because people would make offensive emblems, when in actuality it's because they wanted to start selling emblems instead of letting people make their own.
1:02 - Nintendo Switch, Steam Deck, Windows handhelds, Playstation Portal, Controller Phone Mount exist
how is the advertised tablet better than a normal one
plus all of those are cheaper than a redmagic iirc
I have a Steam deck and have to agree.
Making a gaming tablet actually good is difficult, but even if it is that's ignoring you can't play most pc games because you're on android.
Plus with the alternatives you actually get controller input AND touchscreen, instead of only having to use touchscreen.
And I bet the steam deck's price is way better too.
Eh, he gets paid for the sponsorship so he probably already knows
@@321Jarn You can use controllers through bluetooth on a tablet or phone
Here's likely what happened:
Corporate MBA Type: "I want to clean up the multiplayer minecraft scene. this group, i want to ban grifers, that group will ban adult content."
(Employees do what they're told for a couple weeks)
Corporate MBA type: "Great work team! let's move on to (new thing that'll get me favorably looked at by the board)!"
Employees: "yeah sure, whatever."
"The physics mod adds realistic physics"
Immediately shows water mountains spawning out of nowhere 😂👍🏼
Yeah like it looks neat or whatever, but realistic is not the word I'd use for anything depicted from the mod.
Gambling good.
Physics bad.
Booba bad.
That's the first takeaway. The second is that mojang turned out to be surprisingly scummier than I could ever imagine.
well, if you think about it. gambling involves money. and i think everyone knows how corporate scum feels about money.
@@repentanceee They're Mr. Krabs but on actual ketamine.
12:50 I was there for the DMCA takedown. Heck of a time to be an in-college server admin. I downloaded the final Craftbukkit build off TPB and hoped for the best. Though from what I remember, it was *Craftbukkit* , the *implementation* of the Bukkit API, that Wolfe was able to take down by DMCA'ing his contributions. You can see it in the list of URLs that rises up the screen. IIRC through a herculean effort Spigot was able to compensate for the loss of Wolfe's code, and with their new BuildTools distribution system, saved the entire Bukkit server scene.
Back then I was mad at Wolfe for making it harder to run my server, but as an adult now it's 100% justified and I'd be mad if he hadn't. Sucks how much the DMCA devastated the Bukkit website though, it made some research and information completely impossible to find.
2:29 "Let's do not forget this anime girl-system thing that you can put on your screen as long as you want"
"Let's get rid of that for now though" LOL 😂😂😂
16:10 is insane , i didn't even know you could just have your minecraft account banned
there was a chat reporting system in place i believe, implemented 3 years ago. community told m*jang itd be a failure, but they insisted. 2 years later, surprise surprise, it was a failure.
so now because of the way a lot of servers are implemented now, you can only report names and skins.
tldr yes, but the only way you can get banned on minecraft is if you have less than 5 functioning braincells
How did you not know..?
Ahh i miss the days of the kidnap mod, playing that with friends was so fun
kidnapping villager*
mojang: i sleep
kidnapping npc that behaves like villager*
mojang: real sht
I mean it worked on players...
In the hands of the wrong, power causes destruction.
Crazy how they banned monetizing Java mods but it’s a completely different story on bedrock…
I feel like the kidnapping mod would be hilarious if just secretly installed in a giant modpack (like atm9) to just troll / meme with friends
You know what they say a game starts off fresh and baked but mods keep the game alive. You could say Minecraft’s success was built on mods itself.
16:13 Notch coming in with a crushing response!
Mojang: Don't sell mods!
Also Mojang: Bedrock Edition Marketplace!
God, you know you're getting fucking old when you're surprised to hear that most people now have no idea what the pixelmon malicious code scandal or fucking Bukkit was
Tell me about it!
to be fair, many people don't actively partake in minecraft mods, so...
TBH, never seen a more deserved DMCA in my life than the dev who was suddenly told all his work belonged to Mojang, and said, "No it doesn't!"
0:13 I mean I can kinda understand why this one was💀
What even was it called? I never have even seen this one
UT's Kidnap mod@@dont8216
@@dont8216 Kidnapping mod. It was taken down because a server was using it without verifying the ages of people who joined and well it got reported.
Jenny mod is still up though
@@SanityHarvey sooooo the entire mod got banned, not the server? seems like an overreach ngl.
The bukkit API still lives on inside spigot/paper and all the forks thereof.
Decade old legacy code.
And paper is trying to move away from it. It doesn't fit as well with modern Minecraft's code as datapacks make the game more configurable (Particularly around things like paintings etc, which are dynamic now rather than a static list of painting variants).
You've reminded me that, perhaps it's also to get out from under Mojang's thumb if they still own the Bukkit project, and therefore the Bukkit API spec....
Minestom is a pretty decent option for that, There are a lot of projects like it too.
But keep in mind that Minestom does not implement vanilla features on its own and is more of a framework to build on top of.
9:17 🫡🫡 Fly hight soldier.
Mods shouldn't be behind paywalls, that's the bedrock marketplace's job afterall
first of all the "jenny mod" and schurritvs mod are the same thing
and secondly, even though it was dmca'd its still around under a new name and being actively developed
There are different Jenny mods some utilize the schunrri code others fully remade.
@@gregatim wait, there are multiple?
i thought there was only the one that has a page
@@zhan146 yeah schunri opened a pandora box of nsfw mods
@@zhan146 i should too explain those mods have different characters and stuff
@@gregatim mind sharing some of those?
The funny thing about the DMCA takedown of Bukkit is that he only could do it (from my understanding of the GPL), because Bukkit violated the GPL by using Mojangs code, which wasn’t licensed under a GPL-compatible license.
Mojang: being able to ban people from any server that runs your software is not cool. Stopping abusers is not an excuse.
Microsoft: what if we paid you?
Mojang: actually banning people from any server is important for safety
As someone who uses Pixelmon a lot, I had no idea Pixelmon did such a thing as blacklisting servers with their mod. Genuinely psychotic that Pixelmon did that at one point.
And the 18+ mods you showed off in the video... they sure are unhinged. I'll just say that.
I had no idea that mojang and MS tried to steal bukkit like that. I made a couple bukkit servers with my friends growing up and they were way better than anything else at the time
I used to make a video with a 18+ mod,and it got the most views on my channel,no wonder why they banned the mod
just had a look, do you still have the jar file for that mod and could you reupload it to somewhere?
@@mathias6369 nope its long gone...
@@mathias6369I have the jar file but only the 1.12 version as that’s the only version that existed. It will also likely get banned if I reupload it.
Had a look at the video, the mod I actually have is the Jenny mod but not the one that was in his video.
@@mathias6369 why do you want it comrade
@@archuserbytheway scientific research, clearly
Reject Pixelmon, embrace Cobblemon
6:14 “adding realistic water”
Ah yes, the most realistic waves I’ve ever seen in a video game lol
I never knew that about bukkit. It's good to have the information now but that guy was 100% in the right to delete the code. Imagine working for a multibillion-dollar company and not being paid for it, all the while not knowing that they technically own it. That was completely unjustified by Mojang. Though another thing, I'm surprised, there wasn't anything about gun related mods in here. Cuz I know that they went on a spree taking those down but there's one that even I still use right now called MrCrayfish gun mod. Which has a ton of add-ons as well. Either way, this was a very interesting video, well done. :]
Alright so, i was questioning for awhile "where's the kidnap mod?, i need it to make my cowboy series fun", and yep this explains why i couldn't find it, i thought it only had rope, npc's and a robbery system, ya i was dead wrong
i mean i've used it in the past for non-sexual stuff so win win
Oh i can fully get a ton of people didn't use it for, that, but i was always questioning why it was gone
1:55 500$ monitor with only 144hz is diabolical, you got scammed
he didn't get scam because they probably send him the device for free
@@GIKKI9268he meant the fact that this guy bought a monitor worth 500
@@GIKKI9268 he mentioned that his own 500$ monitor has 144hz in an attempt to make that tablet seem good
my $100 34 inch 1440p wide monitor has 244 hz 💀
depends on what monitor tech it uses, be it TN, VA, IPS, or OLED. Good gaming monitors are overpriced to hell. That $500 monitor is (and I hate this fact) entry-level, with the actually great stuff costing around $1000.
I still have the kidnap mod 😂
That server was wild af
Holy shit that Bukkit drama was 10 years ago... God I'm old
I was actually a patron of the physics mod! It was really, really fun. Glad it's free now, though
For the physics mod, i have some underground info, there was an arms race between telegram leakers, they would leak and crack the auth on the mod, eventually one of them filed a complaint to mojang to get it to be free. Thats why it was singled out
tbf dude was charging effectively the equivalent of an MMO subscription for the mod instead of a one time purchase. He was kinda asking for it.
There should be no paywalls whatsoever for mods. Mojang should DMCA everything behind a paywall universally.
I'm creaking
Nice to meet you creaking. I’m penguin, at least one of us got in the game eh?
@@UppersteelInstead you're getting a notification telling you to get a life
@@Uppersteelget a life
@Uppersteel is a bot. Just report for spam and move on.
@@UppersteelFoolish
I can kind of, but not really, justify Nintendo taking down Pixelmon, but Mojang taking down adult mods is peak idiocy.
Imagine banning mods, and not letting people enjoy mods? L mindset
surprized to see kidnapmod in thumbnail. still sad to see it gone, had more fun playing cops and robbers with that than anything
13:56 I remember a video on TH-cam about this when I was quite young, maybe 13 or less, and I did have a history with this type of thing back then which led me to be… let’s say from a teen to a degenerate.
funny thing about the kidnap mod is that it is INCREDIBLY easy to find it lmao
Is it? I'm trying to look for it, but I don't quite know where.
Especially since any links I do find may or may not be viruses... How do I know they're not?
@catbatrat1760 literally look up 'Loverslab Minecraft Kidnap Mod' you should find it quickly
4:36 That quote is real rich after the 1.19.3 update.
(I don't blame Grum for that. He probably didn't know what Microsoft was planning back then)
The bukkit lore is series worthy 10/10
6 Best mods ever made: Cracker's Wither Storm, Dragon Block C, Cobblemon, Jenny mod, ProjectE, Industrial Craft.
Am currently excited for Dragon Block V, and Tensura: Reincarnated, lol.
NPC: I'll take you somewhere nice
Mr Epic:(cool footage for my video)
😂
I have first hand info with the schnurri [][][] mod. I actually was one of the first to help with the project.
When they posted the concept with Jenny belle and more characters of those creators like odyssey Ellie and Bia the bear. I supported him by donating 10$ to the mod in it's early stages and as a reward of sorts he added me as an Easter egg.
Each gal could appear in different structurea around the map, each one with a theme for them, Jenny had a simple house on plains and oak forests, ody had a gothic looking mansion-ish house on spruce forests, and Bia had a Tiny house in birch forests, and that's where my Easter egg was included. There was a small chance that over the chest in the house would be an item frame holding a map, and said map had my Twitter PFP. A drawing made by another artist I commissioned.
Between the things that happened with that mod, was the pressure of "fame" obtained due to tiktokers abusing the mod and giving it the jenny mod name (since Jenny belle is like the most recognizable R34 Minecraft character), to the point schnurri almost took their life off. Hopefully he was internated and was treated of their wounds. After that the even you mention of the government asking for the page contents and stuff is true. I think he lives on Germany or similar and he was always asked to show the contents to the government. Which apparently is a bit against NSFW stuff. So he "took down the page" by just being direct links to each instance of the mod plus any video showcasing updates.
Until finally, the DMCA of Mojang happened. And he transfered all the mod content and code to a second user who as far as I know had taken a bit of another route with it. But keeping some of the key mechanics of the original, sadly, idk if things like the original characters or things like my Easter egg are still on it.
Also, thanks for talking about it without shitting on the users. Plus clarifying that the schnurri and the "jenny mod" were the same one. Since another user who talked about that mod really was disrespectful with those who liked the mod.
the mod still has the same characters and new ones are being added
if your easter egg was implemented as some mysterious map item that i vaguely recall seeing in JEI, i'm afraid that might have been removed, although i'm not 100% sure
Oh wow
@@TheErkis28 the only way to find out is see if by any chance the Bia houses (if they still generate) have that chance to appear it
@@scarymaster2045 well how would you know if 100 houses without it aren't just bad luck?
it'd be more reliable to decompile the mod and look at the code with some know-how
@@TheErkis28 trust me. It was to that degree the first time he added it. He then increased the chance to 1 in 5.
Again, will check it up someday
I like how mojang doesn't allow selling mods yet Microsoft has a whole marketplace full of addons you have to pay for lol
My Reddit comment at 7:15 lol. W
Whats the Bukkit guy up to nowadays? Genuinely curious. 15 thousand lines of code and being the backbone of that mod is wild. Super talented guy and obviously very VERY dedicated. I wonder what hes up to, would love to support that guy.
Really kinda hate Nintendo for all their abuse of the legal system. "Oh, you REFERENCED our game in yours? FULL FORCE LAWSUIT!!!" Like... C'mon, I'm pretty sure Nintendo is not above sueing LITERAL CHILDREN. Someday I hope they bite off more than they can chew and lose a lawsuit and get taken down quite a few notches.
Honestly am hoping they lose the Palworld lawsuit, PocketPair has a huge mobile company wanting to make a Palworld mobile game, and Microsoft and Sony as partners, so I'm REALLY hoping Nintendo loses this one.
Hey MrEpic, I'm the guy who told you about Pixelmon in Twitter. Ty for considering my suggestion!