Should Infinite Return In Sonic Games?

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 มี.ค. 2023
  • We discuss the possibility of Infinite, the antagonist from Sonic Forces, making a return in future main series Sonic games. Despite being one of the cooler looking concepts for villains in the series, Infinite's potential was not fully utilized in his debut game. However, the director of Sonic Frontiers, Morio Kishimoto, has given hope that we may see Infinite in future titles.
    We examine the pros and cons of bringing back Infinite, including his interesting powers, cool design, and potential to be a major threat to Sonic. While his backstory and weak narrative in Forces were underwhelming, a retconned story that fully uses his reality-shifting powers could be a second chance at redemption for the character.
    BTW; I recorded this back when the original tweet from Kishimoto came out. I just havent been able to edit/release it til now.
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  • @Bakanaben2
    @Bakanaben2 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I don't think Infinite is dead. I think that being "consumed" led to being TRAPPED.

  • @The_Ultimate_Agent
    @The_Ultimate_Agent 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    They have a perfectly designed villain that shouldn’t be wasted away. I think that Infinite should return but retcon him. If they do him right, he could go from “Infinite is not a good villain” to “Oh man, Infinite is the best Sonic villain!”

    • @gracekim25
      @gracekim25 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mmmm maybe not Retcon it. I feel like they should expand his past of being a mercenary 😅 it would probably help…I mean that’s what I’m doing

  • @emmanueldavis1872
    @emmanueldavis1872 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Infinite's power is limitless from what I've read on Google. So he is more than likely not dead.

    • @mastertrainergaming
      @mastertrainergaming  ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Yeah, the wording 'consumed' could mean he's trapped in the Phantom Ruby? I'd be interested to see where they could go with it.

    • @emmanueldavis1872
      @emmanueldavis1872 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Me too

  • @emmanueldavis1872
    @emmanueldavis1872 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Yes he should!

    • @SaiyanDoll4731
      @SaiyanDoll4731 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Me Too this My Favorite Characters 👍🏼 l Wish Back in Sonic Frontiers lol

    • @emmanueldavis1872
      @emmanueldavis1872 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Me too

  • @Jetstreamsamdidnothingwrong
    @Jetstreamsamdidnothingwrong ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Infinite was mentioned frontiers and did win a art competition and was featured in a comic because of it (and appeared in the new toy line but that's not exactly strongest evidence)
    So sega hasn't forgotten him plus he's probably the most requested villain to return aside from mephiles and out of the two infinite would be much easier to bring back

  • @Multi-fandomEldingArum
    @Multi-fandomEldingArum ปีที่แล้ว +9

    As someone who actually likes Infinite, I think he deserves a second chance, especially if Ian Flynn and other writers who know how to write characters, are still going to be writing stories for the games. Ian really understands the sonic characters. I think Infinite can be turned into a great character with the right writing. I mean look at Zavok in the IDW comics. People really like how he is portrayed in the comics and they hate his character in the games. So if Infinite as good writing, he should definitely make a return.

    • @mastertrainergaming
      @mastertrainergaming  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thats right, I couldnt care less about Zavok based off the games, but I've heard some good from the comics. As long as it was written well, I'd be game for Infinite's return.

    • @SaiyanDoll4731
      @SaiyanDoll4731 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​​​@@mastertrainergaming l think Infinite Not Died? Why Become l see Boss fight Infinite v3 Look Like body Fake Is disappear Will back

    • @gracekim25
      @gracekim25 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@SaiyanDoll4731it’s unfortunate that he can’t be used in the comics 😅

    • @SaiyanDoll4731
      @SaiyanDoll4731 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gracekim25 lol

  • @SilentGamer50509
    @SilentGamer50509 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I feel like they should bring him back. Dudes got too awesome of a design, pretty awesome powers and too awesome of a theme song not to bring him back. It would be a waste. However I do think they should retcon his story and have Ian Flynn write for his story too.

    • @UltraInstinctShadow124
      @UltraInstinctShadow124 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Rewrite his story cuz the other ones didn't do right.

  • @gracekim25
    @gracekim25 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is precisely why I want to ‘fix’ sonic forces in fanfiction mode 😅

    • @mastertrainergaming
      @mastertrainergaming  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Rewriting the story of Forces, you say? Stay tuned ;)

    • @gracekim25
      @gracekim25 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@mastertrainergamingwait do you have a suggestion?😮

  • @Toby-if1kr
    @Toby-if1kr ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I wouldn't mind infinite returning to future games. But knowing sega it could be possible

    • @mastertrainergaming
      @mastertrainergaming  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah, as long as they make a good story around it and actually showcase what he can actually do, thats good by me.

    • @SaiyanDoll4731
      @SaiyanDoll4731 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@mastertrainergaming yes he Will back Like Sonic Frontiers DLC

    • @mastertrainergaming
      @mastertrainergaming  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SaiyanDoll4731 No, I very much doubt he'll appear in the Frontiers DLC

    • @SaiyanDoll4731
      @SaiyanDoll4731 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@mastertrainergamingokay

  • @xX-moonthew0lfie-Xx2009
    @xX-moonthew0lfie-Xx2009 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Popular opinion:
    Infinite was wasted potential and his theme song was edgy but also a bop.
    Unpopular opinion:
    Infinite is a good villain.. not the best but still good and sonic forces wasnt the best game but definitely not the worst.
    My opinion:
    Infinite should either have a redemption arc or a more tragic Backstory that explains WHY he was so power hungry/why he despised being called weak... or both!
    Infinite has endless potential and hes a fun character. The comics people have come up with that feature him are absolutely amazing and its refreshing. Infinite is honestly a great character and he deserved better.. maybe someone could show him kindness and he could be redeemed. Cuz the Backstory in the game is just a well watered down version of his Backstory in the comics. He went from a proud boss to a whiny power hungry villain.. its.. honestly upsetting so i personally think he deserves better.
    TDLR: i think Infinite is a good character that should be bought back and redeemed.

  • @UltraInstinctShadow124
    @UltraInstinctShadow124 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Inifnite needs to return seriously he would be so OP he's in sonic forces iphone so I am pretty sure he will return.

  • @fatalwaffle1715
    @fatalwaffle1715 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Yes Zero/Infinite should return and as Sonic is a Legend Of Zelda fan he is basically Sonic's version of Skull Kid/Majora's Mask.

  • @Redoodlx
    @Redoodlx 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Infinite deserves so much more chance to return then mephiles I wabt infinite to have a sequel or a prequel

  • @cyberrex7071
    @cyberrex7071 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’d like a game where Infinite does end up returning as the main antagonist since the main Sonic wiki states that he was consumed by the Phantom Ruby, not killed. So it could mean that he’s trapped in it and it may not have been destroyed during the final fight against the Mega Death Egg Robot.

    • @mastertrainergaming
      @mastertrainergaming  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That would be an interesting prospect!

    • @cyberrex7071
      @cyberrex7071 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mastertrainergaming Who knows? Maybe that could be the reason for Sonic to finally go Hyper in canon since it is stated multiple times that Infinite is one the strongest enemies Sonic has faced (despite the fact he went down with no effort and no Super Form either).
      Then again, maybe it’s talking about his potential, not his power directly. Maybe he can create his own transformation by becoming one with the Phantom Ruby, absorbing it entirely.

  • @rickyrackey7930
    @rickyrackey7930 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If Liam O’Brien is unavailable to voice Infinite, I hope they get Jamieson Price to voice him.

  • @ShadowDoom2759
    @ShadowDoom2759 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Theres no way they'd let a cool Sonic character like him to die. He may be trapped inside null space and maybe only he and eggman can find the way out, I meam he did give the order to create null space after all.

  • @unknownuser0813
    @unknownuser0813 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    shadow and chaos as a boss in forces would have been great

    • @mastertrainergaming
      @mastertrainergaming  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think Shadow would have suited the Metal Sonic boss much more. Metal Sonic could have been a boss for Classic Sonic.

  • @vinkennest3274
    @vinkennest3274 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Here me out, Where did the phantom ruby go at the end of forces?
    Thats right to mania plus. So it could be a possibility to see him in the classic timeline

  • @emmanueldavis1872
    @emmanueldavis1872 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He is a jackal not a wheezal!

    • @mastertrainergaming
      @mastertrainergaming  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Its funnier to call him a weasel though

    • @emmanueldavis1872
      @emmanueldavis1872 ปีที่แล้ว

      I just thought you actually thought he was a weasel. But it really is funnier!

  • @gracekim25
    @gracekim25 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just hope people have realised the difference between a mental breakdown and a tantrum. One is involuntary and the other is not mostly. And sometimes meltdowns are confused for tantrums as well

    • @mastertrainergaming
      @mastertrainergaming  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Theres validity to Infinite having a breakdown, but they really need to elaborate on that if im honest.

  • @deanthecool2
    @deanthecool2 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think infinite's currently trapped in the back rooms (joking) in all seriousness he needs to come back

  • @rickster008
    @rickster008 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i want infante to return but as a villain for shadow. they have more beef with one another than sonic

  • @iamtoychica4302
    @iamtoychica4302 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Yes!! Please bring him back SEGA!!😓🙏🏽🐺🔴🖤🤍

  • @gracekim25
    @gracekim25 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Um mate…..that book says he was ‘consumed’ 😅 given the Ruby has some form of sentience I don’t believe him to be dead😂 people have kinda just assumed he’s dead because of the word ‘consumed’🤷‍♀️😅
    Plus the fact he’s referenced in Sonic frontiers means they haven’t forgotten him

    • @mastertrainergaming
      @mastertrainergaming  ปีที่แล้ว

      'Consumed' has a more final feeling than 'trapped' or something like that, hence why a lot of people took that as being killed. But we should have gotten some confirmation in Forces haha.

    • @gracekim25
      @gracekim25 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mastertrainergaming yeah I originally assumed he teleported away 🤣

  • @gracekim25
    @gracekim25 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Um the next game? Er……well I would love him to come back in the future 😊 I enjoyed sonic forces but um I’m a bit annoyed SEGA didn’t let the comic writers do more with his backstory and the weird story choices (it’s not as bad as people make it out to be but the story could have been done better if they you know stopped trying to be a mix of mostly child friendly-and-dark-but-not-really mode🤷‍♀️)

    • @mastertrainergaming
      @mastertrainergaming  ปีที่แล้ว

      The story for Forces was a paint by numbers, boring story. There were stakes but they didn't have any conviction behind them, and it's a shame because Infinite was a great concept for a villain.
      That's why I'd be open to a ret-con, which I don't usually like.

    • @gracekim25
      @gracekim25 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mastertrainergaming mmm plus we didn’t actually see much of this ‘war’ 😅

    • @emmanueldavis1872
      @emmanueldavis1872 ปีที่แล้ว

      Child-like dark ain't gonna do it for Infinite. We need it as dark as he can get! Kids could handle it! Or they could show him blowing up the world is a single strike and detaching the souls from Sonic and his friends. And maybe betraying Eggman too!

    • @mastertrainergaming
      @mastertrainergaming  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@emmanueldavis1872 Hmmm I dont think thats exactly what the Sonic series needs personally. You can do 'dark' without killing everyone and everything.

    • @emmanueldavis1872
      @emmanueldavis1872 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, I know! I just really want Infinite to be at his full potential.... I'll admit that even though Infinite has the power to do that, it would be over the top. I guess I just want Infinite to be handled better and his power would be recognized. Ugh, how did they make such a bad backstory?!

  • @kunlesanders
    @kunlesanders 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Infinite the Jackal is not coming back anymore, because Sonic and his friends killed him for some reason.

  • @HEROWOLF36
    @HEROWOLF36 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why is everybody so biased because of one game is like Sonic 06 all over again stop being bias you guys it's a good game I don't care if it had short writing or terrible levels it was an interesting game

    • @mastertrainergaming
      @mastertrainergaming  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Bad writing and bad levels doesnt make a good game. I've literally spent the last week replaying and platinuming it on playstation. Its functional. Its not awful like 06 or Boom, but its not good either.
      If you're talking about the ideas behind the game, then yeah, its interesting. But theres a difference between concept and execution.

    • @HEROWOLF36
      @HEROWOLF36 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mastertrainergaming the levels aren't that easy they're pretty much in the medium range I just wish people would give it a second chance it doesn't deserve the bad reputation

    • @mastertrainergaming
      @mastertrainergaming  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@HEROWOLF36 My dude, the levels are very easy; the only hard thing about it is the controls and navigating bad level design.
      Honestly, I'm glad they dont give it a second chance. Sonic Team cannot be allowed to make a game as boring and average as Forces again. Its such a good idea for a game, completely wasted.

    • @HEROWOLF36
      @HEROWOLF36 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mastertrainergaming look I'm not disagreeing or anything the game is just pretty good it just doesn't deserve the bad reputation like Sonic 06 has plus if you haven't noticed there are some secrets in the game that leads to another Sonic game

    • @mastertrainergaming
      @mastertrainergaming  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@HEROWOLF36 I think we disagree on whether Sonic Forces is a good game or not haha.
      But look, everyone has what they like and dislike so its cool :)

  • @Lunaraz1
    @Lunaraz1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    no he is weak

  • @V.is.for.Vae.Victus
    @V.is.for.Vae.Victus ปีที่แล้ว

    Please God no. Let Infinite die with Forces. They're both awful.

    • @mastertrainergaming
      @mastertrainergaming  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Forces can suck it. Infinite was wasted potential though.

    • @gracekim25
      @gracekim25 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mmmm I believe potential shouldn’t be wasted 😅 with the right writers and resources