@@BigHairyMarty314 uh not really it’s a modern one and also that doesn’t count unless if it’s from 1991 8-bit or 16-bit cd or possibly sonic 3 and knuckles pack. And sonic mania
@@josephfrye7342 Although Modern Sonic was the one who originally fought Chaos back in the Dreamcast days, I'm sure you remember that it was Classic who chased him off during his introductory scene in Forces, and the boss fight in this video was originally from a mod designed for Classic Sonic, so I still stand by what I said.
It has always bugged me that Infinite can essentially manipulate anyone’s perceived reality to such an extent their body responds to it as real, yet all he does is makes a bajillion cubes during his fights. Like, for a fight, instead of making me run after you, avoiding your cubes, hitting you once and repeat, you should instead be constantly altering my environment to be something completely different and hazardous in their own ways. Put me in a volcanic environment, plunge me into the depths of the ocean and make me fight swarms of badnick or swirl me in a whirlpool, make me fall from the stratosphere, or even make me run for my life in a collapsing cave deep below the surface whilst you recharge for another phase. You could invert my controls, flip the world 90 degrees, make it low gravity or simply make yourself a massive monster like you did when fighting a bunch of soldiers. DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN CUBES, LASERS, AND CANNONS!
@@sharkracingfanpage8364 I’d rather complain about the Phantom Ruby actually living up to the hype of how much of a hack it is than just have everyone spend months doing squat. Infinite’s boss fights being so boring just undercuts the threat level way too much for anyone to take him seriously, especially when characters like Tails, Knuckles, and Silver are active and have casually fought creatures several times worse than what Forces has to offer.
I feel like if I could avoid all the lasers and canons I would just go up to infinite and slap him in his face for being stupid why I don’t say the cubes is because THEY ARE CUBES WHAT THE HELL IS A CUBE GONNA DO TO ME CRUSH ME GOOD LUCK THOSE THINGS SEEM TO GO AT LIKE 3 MPH
The Zavok is a bit overkill, however the first Infinite fight is a marked improvement. Being based more upon catching up quickly than surviving phases.
@@brawlios2252Sonic mania is just a collection of reused stages with the act 2 versions and original stages being the only ones that are new and creative. Maybe if the game had ALL new levels, and an artstyle similar to that Sonic and the Fallen Star fangame it would've been slightly better, but that's just my opinion. Yes, sonic mania was made by fans, but they weren't allowed to be creative with it because of sega.
@@lilsoonerfaninmoi think we have to stop putting those stereotypes on either the fans or the game developers. A good game can come from anyone if its given the proper time, budget, an idea and a team that can work well together to complete that idea
@@rosesongoku6980 Phantom Infinite would have been perfect. And if he needed a bigger form like most Sonic bosses, he could hijack the remains of the Mega Death Egg Robot and its core to become the Final Phantom.
the lack of any dialogue in the death egg robot fight makes it seem so much more serious, as if Sonic, C.Sonic and the avatar are putting their all into the fight and focusing
Why is it that the most satisfying part of mid to low tier Sonic games is when they throw hands? Sonic punching the crap out of Zavok? Shadow kicking Silver in the back of the head? Some of the most satisfying stuff
Or basically ANYTHING in Secret Rings: "Cheer up, the horns'll grow back! _Eventually"_ "If this is YOUR world, then it's a world I don't want any part of" "Your tale is finished, Erazor. Next time? Try writing a better story"
I was wondering why you have Shadow replace the custom character but then I realized it makes perfect sense for G.U.N. to be the one to make the Wisps into weapons instead of everyone else and will have Shadow be the one to test them out.
And last infinite battle could be looking like mephiles battle, like, infinite could block Shadow's attacks, and also this battle could be a bit harder
Well that, and him using weapons is a core feature of his game, of which the wisps surprisingly almost all fit into preexisting weapons in that game, you could 100% mod them into shadow the hedgehog with minimal thinking
@@AkameGaKillfan777oh god no, this game made him worse then ever, atleast tails had a pretty small purpose in unleashed, and even though I hate tails in lost world atleast he has a god damn back bone in lost world, because he’s not even brave enough to fight chaos zero in this state
God. Death Egg Robot really was squadered, still easily one of my favourite boss designs. Almost feels like a precursor to the Titan designs, in a sense. Sadly, it just wasn't an engaging fight. Also, REALLY wish we got SOME explanation as to why, you know... Eggman's mech bursts out of the chest of his bigger mech like some kind of parasite. The thing barely even looks big enough for him to fit inside...
I call that smaller mech "Mega Death Egg Robot Core", as it was originally the core of the machine. But the main body suffered too much damage, forging Eggman to separate the Core and attack with it.
You know what would be really cool? If a Sonic Frontiers Sequel brought back that version of the Death Egg Robot, but make it more influenced by the Titans from the first game. Like a combination of all of them. Then... when the larger body is damaged beyond repair, Eggman unleashes the core robot and Sonic has to face something smaller that is almost as fast as him.
The boss's name frustrates me because there's so much room for originality. Its design is so cool and leaves a lot of options, like Egg Gorgon, Egg Naga, something along those lines. The smaller one could either have a derived name, like "Egg Naga Core", or have a unique name, like "Egg Parasite" or "Egg Heart".
My guess is that the core robot must be some kind of Version 2 of the Egg Nega Wisp Armor, which had similar wild animal type mannerisms, and it must be gassed up with a lot more corrupt Wisp energy than the first version was. So would it be something more like the Death Egg Nega Wisp Core? (Long name I know but sometimes long names are cool.)
The bosses definitely could've been better in this game. The only ones I really liked was Zavok with his Death Queen and the Mega Death Egg Robot, and even then, the latter was basically a series of rehashing the game's other bosses.
One thing that disappoints me about the final boss is its name. It feels like blatant nostalgia bait while looking very little like its namesake; the only real similarity is the arms. Why not call it something cool and original, like the Egg Naga? (Also, the robot inside could be the Egg Parasite or something).
Agreed, those (as in the Zavok, MAYBE the first Infinite Fight and Final Bosses)are the only two-to-three really good boss fights in Sonic Forces, most of them are either too gimmicky (such as the Giant Snake, Crab Robot and Large Egg Mech), are way too similar to previous bosses (such as the third battle against Infinite just being a re-hash of Metal Sonic), or are just...meh(such as the second fight agents the Egg Mobile, the second Infinite battle and Metal Sonic). Really makes me wonder what Sonic Force's could have been had it not been rush and had more then only THREE Developers Knew about Sonic.
Zavok was a good boss fight as it was, but it lacked challenge (it has like 2-3 attacks, one of which is summoning minions) but my favorite was the Infinite boss in the city. Mostly because I remember I once used a wispon that got him to “phase 2” almost immediately but also because it was fairly difficult to stay alive after getting hit
He could've been so much more. The problem is he had the impact as a wet fart, but I was genuinely hoping he'd be the best Sonic villain in recent memory, if not, ever.
Infinite is cool villain on paper. He was cool in trailers too. Problem with him is writing. He is as flat personally wise as cardboard. He could been so cool if there was more done with him. Looking at past villains like Mephiles from 06, Shadow from Adventure 2 or even Chaos himself from Adventure 1, they had something. Point in case - Writers didn't know what to do with Infinite and just made him edgy boy and not what he was supposed to be - a real threat or even a "god of destruction".
I feel like they could bring him back and really make him better. Maybe play up that he was inexperienced with his abilities. Being able to mess with peoples senses and creating illusions can be incredibly powerful
Sonic stories are never anything to write home about. But they also never take themselves seriously, which is why Infinite never worked. Which is a shame. He had a great design
@@SketchSpooks Sonic Forces especially needed to take itself seriously. I am still flabbergasted that Sonic got captured and tortured for a period of time only to have Sonic laugh it off.
3:03 Random idea: After this, there’s a schmup stage where you ride on the mech and shoot down the access panels/locks on other prisoners’ cells, as well as illusions of other bosses (kinda like Age of Calamity’s divine beast segments I guess)
With frontiers having been out a good while, it makes you wonder: How much bigger and better could Forces be using the Frontiers formular? Open zones like Green Hill, Metropolis etc being different open zones to visit after completing some of their levels. And make use of several playable characters, including adding the Team mechanic from Heroes
Maybe chaos should of been classic sonic because it was classic who defeated chaos in a cutscenes but still awesome with modern gave me adventure vibes
The worst goes in forces was its final boss. SEGA went: let's rip the boss from colors! Nobody will know! And we all knew it was ripped from sonic colors. The good thing is, this improves all the bosses.
I still don't understand... They could update game with patches!! They saw that people hate game, but of course NO!! In patches they only updated clothes for avatar.
To be completely honest, I would have preferred the second Infinite fight in the offical game to be like the one that was showed in the video, I always had a weird disliking of the 2d sections for the 3d games especially for the boss fights. The Chaos boss battle would've been a really good idea too.
Since Infinite getting defeated over and over means he doesn't come off as much of a threat, rather than being a recurring boss fight, I feel he should have been an enemy the player has to run away from, like the Titans in Frontiers. You only get to fight him at the end of the game.
Bosses: Try to beat us now that we're harder Sonic: Alright. Let's do this Shadow! Classic Sonic: (Tries to Wave) Sonic pushing Classic down: No he's not here.
I was gonna say, we never fought Chaos in Forces because he was one of like three bosses removed due to time constraints, considering the game also has a lot of cut story.
Considering the game already seemingly had a major hook on nostalgia baiting, imagine if each boss fight was just a re-creation of their boss fights from each game they appeared in. That'd be cool
- Look in this trailer we put Chaos - Awsome , are we going to fight him ? - Of course not , how about this rejected power ranger vilain teaming up with a giant bee ?
I was waiting for the fight with the Shadow replica, Metal Sonic replica and the Third Battle against Infinite, I still feel satisfied with the Bosses faced in the video
The avatar infinite fight is perfect because it makes use of the 3d parts of the game and can’t get 2 hit by the fire weapon everything is a huge improvement and we honestly did not need metal sonic fight
I saw that Shadow is the Avatar, so I made it my headcanon that (somehow) Infinite stole Shadow's powers to charge the Phantom Ruby. That's why the boss fight are harder and why Shadow uses a Wispon and not just his powers. Then in the final boss battle, he got a bit of his power back because Infinite was defeated. That's how he could keep up with the Sonics.
Modern sonic in classic stages reminds me of Sonic Rush, especially in Egg Dragoon when dodging the Gunfire, Reminds me of how you dodge the first boss in Sonic Rush's Rolling attack. This video also makes me wish we get a Sonic & Shadow Game
a shame that the execution of infinite was a crime against humanity , a good design, the concept of his powers are totally god like , i hope sega give him a second chance
Honestly the first infinite fight would be cooler without boost because you can literally attack him before you get close to Any Phantom Ruby traps. Or at least have him fly faster so you NEED the boost to catch up to him.
So, from what I can see, there were mostly minor improvements to the bosses. Minor is for the Death Egg Robot, Egg Dragoon, and Infinite first fight (Making this one feel like Metal Sonic). Major changes were Chaos and Second Infinite fight.
I think fanmade boss fights that exist to make a game harder ride a fine line between "acceptable" and "completely tryhard" but I think these bosses are pretty good without being too ridiculous. Minor thing would be the start of the first infinite fight, the first thing Infinite does is spawn red cubes directly in front of Sonic with only a split second to react. Gotta remember these are kids games, not DMC, it would've been better if he spawned them so close the second or third time during the fight while the first time you get a little bit of leeway so you know what you're getting into. Other than that I have no notes.
Would be cool to see a Shadow boss fight like this (Sonic meets up with Phantom Shadow and they do a last chase boss fight like in generation or maybe a 3D boss fight to Dodge a lot of attacks and maybe when it knocks down or after the fight Sonic then real Shadow comes in like in the cutscene)
I hate that the final boss fight first Phase is called Death Egg Robot. It looks and fights nothing like the Death Egg Robot. Eggman usually has better naming than that
(Controversial opinion alert) tbh sonic forces was my first ever sonic game, I died quite a bit and had fun, it may have been bad in most peoples perspective, but for me, I liked it. (Also now I’ve played better games like generations, SA2, and frontiers, I do see why people called it bad compared to others.)
It should've taken 2 super sonics and a super powered avatar to take down infinite. Why hype a villain up to be so dangerous and powerful if they don't at least require the use of the chaos emeralds to defeat?
Totally accurate title although i definitely abandonned Sonic Forces. Doesn't have that much of a replayability value. Mods are fun to play once to check them out by yourself but game itself gets boring after once again.
incredible! all I need now is an actual boss fight with The End-no, the Tohou ripoff and Supreme phase two from the latest update do not count-and I will be completely satisfied.
Title: Sounds like the bosses are actually a threat Gameplay: Continues to prove that they're still a joke because they can just be defeated with minimum effort & cheese tactics.
@@NeonStudios763 Not really, the Titans are just Punching bags with attacks that are rendered irrelevant because of the infinite parry. Aside from Knight none of the Titans have any interesting Gameplay mechanics aside from basic QTE’s which are Mindless and mostly optional, again, due to the infinite Parry
The biggest ick for me for boss fights is the Infinite encounters, I personally think that the idea of a virtual reality world built on this villains perception was always a cool idea but I found it disappointing that he only throws cubes at you with you being able to go through all 3 fights without seeing this side of the boss once, I always thought it would be a cool idea to make these virtual reality segments a required part of the boss in a phase 2 sorta sense not just making him more aggressive with cubes, use the lasers or smth
>Chaos boss fight: exists
Well that's already a huge improvement over the original game
The remix rocks too !
Still should've been Classic's fight. That was a good enough setup
@@game84cube Since it's taken from the Classic improvement mod, it IS a Classic boss fight. :)
@@BigHairyMarty314 uh not really it’s a modern one and also that doesn’t count unless if it’s from 1991 8-bit or 16-bit cd or possibly sonic 3 and knuckles pack. And sonic mania
@@josephfrye7342 Although Modern Sonic was the one who originally fought Chaos back in the Dreamcast days, I'm sure you remember that it was Classic who chased him off during his introductory scene in Forces, and the boss fight in this video was originally from a mod designed for Classic Sonic, so I still stand by what I said.
It has always bugged me that Infinite can essentially manipulate anyone’s perceived reality to such an extent their body responds to it as real, yet all he does is makes a bajillion cubes during his fights.
Like, for a fight, instead of making me run after you, avoiding your cubes, hitting you once and repeat, you should instead be constantly altering my environment to be something completely different and hazardous in their own ways. Put me in a volcanic environment, plunge me into the depths of the ocean and make me fight swarms of badnick or swirl me in a whirlpool, make me fall from the stratosphere, or even make me run for my life in a collapsing cave deep below the surface whilst you recharge for another phase.
You could invert my controls, flip the world 90 degrees, make it low gravity or simply make yourself a massive monster like you did when fighting a bunch of soldiers.
DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN CUBES, LASERS, AND CANNONS!
But than you would complain about some of that stuff
@@sharkracingfanpage8364 I’d rather complain about the Phantom Ruby actually living up to the hype of how much of a hack it is than just have everyone spend months doing squat.
Infinite’s boss fights being so boring just undercuts the threat level way too much for anyone to take him seriously, especially when characters like Tails, Knuckles, and Silver are active and have casually fought creatures several times worse than what Forces has to offer.
I feel like if I could avoid all the lasers and canons I would just go up to infinite and slap him in his face for being stupid why I don’t say the cubes is because THEY ARE CUBES WHAT THE HELL IS A CUBE GONNA DO TO ME CRUSH ME GOOD LUCK THOSE THINGS SEEM TO GO AT LIKE 3 MPH
Funny enough, there was only ONE STAGE in the vanilla base game where infinite did that being capitol city where he kept flipping gravity
Hahaha, bravo. You’ve officially put more thought into the Phantom Stone than the writers/directors.
The Zavok is a bit overkill, however the first Infinite fight is a marked improvement. Being based more upon catching up quickly than surviving phases.
Really? Overkill? Still looks fairly easy to me.
@@DeltaDubs89 As long as the controls are decent.
Remove the overkill amount of bees and you’ve got a pretty decent zavok fight
i mean Sonic was being tortured
Tbh it’s good
Feels limited but then again he would do that
Sadly not in the actual game doe
Sadly I don't think anything can fix defeating the Egg Dragoon by throwing rocks at it, but at least the fight feels a lot more chaotic and dangerous
I agree with you because the gun attack you can just stand still and you'll be fine
It could be that you had to protect Tails first so he can hack the Egg Dragoon and nerf him to damage him with the rocks
Is it just me or is the drill attack more faster?
They couldn’t have the Egg Dragoon come towards the foreground for Sonic to hit directly?
When fans IMPROVE the game heavily it really shows that they know what the community wants
Fans should never be in charge of a project though. That’s how you end up with Snakes on a Plane
@@mooganifythat’s how you end up with Sonic Mania
@@brawlios2252Sonic mania is just a collection of reused stages with the act 2 versions and original stages being the only ones that are new and creative. Maybe if the game had ALL new levels, and an artstyle similar to that Sonic and the Fallen Star fangame it would've been slightly better, but that's just my opinion. Yes, sonic mania was made by fans, but they weren't allowed to be creative with it because of sega.
@@brawlios2252It's also how you end up with Sonic Omens
@@lilsoonerfaninmoi think we have to stop putting those stereotypes on either the fans or the game developers. A good game can come from anyone if its given the proper time, budget, an idea and a team that can work well together to complete that idea
The fact that Chaos is & the first boss battle makes it already better 😅
This makes me wish all this was included in the actual game, and a secret final boss with Super Sonic as well if it were possible.
@@high440I see nothing wrong with these battles or people who like difficult games in general.
The secret final boss should be "Overclocked Infinite" or "Phantom Infinite".
@@rosesongoku6980 Phantom Infinite would have been perfect. And if he needed a bigger form like most Sonic bosses, he could hijack the remains of the Mega Death Egg Robot and its core to become the Final Phantom.
the lack of any dialogue in the death egg robot fight makes it seem so much more serious, as if Sonic, C.Sonic and the avatar are putting their all into the fight and focusing
Why is it that the most satisfying part of mid to low tier Sonic games is when they throw hands? Sonic punching the crap out of Zavok? Shadow kicking Silver in the back of the head? Some of the most satisfying stuff
Idk
Or basically ANYTHING in Secret Rings:
"Cheer up, the horns'll grow back! _Eventually"_
"If this is YOUR world, then it's a world I don't want any part of"
"Your tale is finished, Erazor. Next time? Try writing a better story"
I was wondering why you have Shadow replace the custom character but then I realized it makes perfect sense for G.U.N. to be the one to make the Wisps into weapons instead of everyone else and will have Shadow be the one to test them out.
Man, it would be really epic if there was shadow instead of avatar
I mean, real Shadow with all his powers
And last infinite battle could be looking like mephiles battle, like, infinite could block Shadow's attacks, and also this battle could be a bit harder
@@sumVortexmmm I wouldn’t mind BOTH to be honest 😅
Well that, and him using weapons is a core feature of his game, of which the wisps surprisingly almost all fit into preexisting weapons in that game, you could 100% mod them into shadow the hedgehog with minimal thinking
I couldn't agree with the title more...
Forces ruined almost all of the characters
@@TheRealRandomFandom Except Tails. Unleashed and Lost World already ruined him.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 that’s also 100% true
Why would sega ruin their characters,that’s so mean
@@AkameGaKillfan777oh god no, this game made him worse then ever, atleast tails had a pretty small purpose in unleashed, and even though I hate tails in lost world atleast he has a god damn back bone in lost world, because he’s not even brave enough to fight chaos zero in this state
God. Death Egg Robot really was squadered, still easily one of my favourite boss designs. Almost feels like a precursor to the Titan designs, in a sense. Sadly, it just wasn't an engaging fight.
Also, REALLY wish we got SOME explanation as to why, you know... Eggman's mech bursts out of the chest of his bigger mech like some kind of parasite. The thing barely even looks big enough for him to fit inside...
I call that smaller mech "Mega Death Egg Robot Core", as it was originally the core of the machine. But the main body suffered too much damage, forging Eggman to separate the Core and attack with it.
You know what would be really cool? If a Sonic Frontiers Sequel brought back that version of the Death Egg Robot, but make it more influenced by the Titans from the first game. Like a combination of all of them. Then... when the larger body is damaged beyond repair, Eggman unleashes the core robot and Sonic has to face something smaller that is almost as fast as him.
The boss's name frustrates me because there's so much room for originality. Its design is so cool and leaves a lot of options, like Egg Gorgon, Egg Naga, something along those lines. The smaller one could either have a derived name, like "Egg Naga Core", or have a unique name, like "Egg Parasite" or "Egg Heart".
My guess is that the core robot must be some kind of Version 2 of the Egg Nega Wisp Armor, which had similar wild animal type mannerisms, and it must be gassed up with a lot more corrupt Wisp energy than the first version was.
So would it be something more like the Death Egg Nega Wisp Core? (Long name I know but sometimes long names are cool.)
@@syweb2 Egg Gorgon sounds so cool.
Ok the chaos one was a huge improvement 👏
The bosses definitely could've been better in this game. The only ones I really liked was Zavok with his Death Queen and the Mega Death Egg Robot, and even then, the latter was basically a series of rehashing the game's other bosses.
To be fair the final boss is meant to test all of your skills you have e learned up to this point.
@@disneyboy3030 I get that, but it's so blatant that the fun of it kind of gets sucked out of it.
One thing that disappoints me about the final boss is its name. It feels like blatant nostalgia bait while looking very little like its namesake; the only real similarity is the arms. Why not call it something cool and original, like the Egg Naga? (Also, the robot inside could be the Egg Parasite or something).
Agreed, those (as in the Zavok, MAYBE the first Infinite Fight and Final Bosses)are the only two-to-three really good boss fights in Sonic Forces, most of them are either too gimmicky (such as the Giant Snake, Crab Robot and Large Egg Mech), are way too similar to previous bosses (such as the third battle against Infinite just being a re-hash of Metal Sonic), or are just...meh(such as the second fight agents the Egg Mobile, the second Infinite battle and Metal Sonic).
Really makes me wonder what Sonic Force's could have been had it not been rush and had more then only THREE Developers Knew about Sonic.
Zavok was a good boss fight as it was, but it lacked challenge (it has like 2-3 attacks, one of which is summoning minions) but my favorite was the Infinite boss in the city. Mostly because I remember I once used a wispon that got him to “phase 2” almost immediately but also because it was fairly difficult to stay alive after getting hit
Even though Infinite is obviously overlooked on, I see him as one my favourite villains in the sonic series
He could've been so much more.
The problem is he had the impact as a wet fart, but I was genuinely hoping he'd be the best Sonic villain in recent memory, if not, ever.
Infinite is cool villain on paper. He was cool in trailers too. Problem with him is writing. He is as flat personally wise as cardboard.
He could been so cool if there was more done with him.
Looking at past villains like Mephiles from 06, Shadow from Adventure 2 or even Chaos himself from Adventure 1, they had something.
Point in case - Writers didn't know what to do with Infinite and just made him edgy boy and not what he was supposed to be - a real threat or even a "god of destruction".
I feel like they could bring him back and really make him better. Maybe play up that he was inexperienced with his abilities. Being able to mess with peoples senses and creating illusions can be incredibly powerful
Sonic stories are never anything to write home about. But they also never take themselves seriously, which is why Infinite never worked. Which is a shame. He had a great design
@@SketchSpooks Sonic Forces especially needed to take itself seriously. I am still flabbergasted that Sonic got captured and tortured for a period of time only to have Sonic laugh it off.
3:03 Random idea: After this, there’s a schmup stage where you ride on the mech and shoot down the access panels/locks on other prisoners’ cells, as well as illusions of other bosses (kinda like Age of Calamity’s divine beast segments I guess)
Yes
With frontiers having been out a good while, it makes you wonder: How much bigger and better could Forces be using the Frontiers formular? Open zones like Green Hill, Metropolis etc being different open zones to visit after completing some of their levels. And make use of several playable characters, including adding the Team mechanic from Heroes
Man, So glad that Sega learned for Forces, if they didn’t, this franchise would have been screwed.
Chaos: *Gets an actual fight*
Me: Hell yeah
This is why I want an HD remake of Sonic Adventure so bad… Imagine fighting Chaos in HD…
Maybe chaos should of been classic sonic because it was classic who defeated chaos in a cutscenes but still awesome with modern gave me adventure vibes
Classic Soonic controls sux, thats why all bosses dont have classic sonic
BRUH THE EGG DRAGON HAS CLASSIC SONIC
Im under impression he did appear in the chaos fight cause the end cutscene
@@kinfumetsuokami8084you mean all Classic Sonic bosses sucks in Forces?
The worst goes in forces was its final boss. SEGA went: let's rip the boss from colors! Nobody will know! And we all knew it was ripped from sonic colors. The good thing is, this improves all the bosses.
I never played or seen anything from colours at the time so I did not care
Technically the Nega Wisp Armor ripped the Egg Devil Ray from Sonic Unleashed
First boss with Chaos had modern Sonic, but turned to classic when he hit the goal
Sadly these changes make some fights drag on though infinite's second bout a surprising change.
Well that's mostly because despite the changes, modders are still technically limited given the Map layout and AI programing in these fights are.
Interested when they're gonna do Metal Sonic new boss fight and Infinite phase 3. And it's gonna be absolute amazing
The 3D avatar infinite boss looks amazing, that is a massive step up from an otherwise boring fight
Sonic Team Exec: "Too much creativity. We have to cut this for more cutscenes."
I still don't understand...
They could update game with patches!!
They saw that people hate game, but of course NO!!
In patches they only updated clothes for avatar.
and they ripped the boss from colours and replaced all the textures in it.
@@AyrtonEdwards-bv4fxI really don’t care if they adapt stuff from other games 🤦♀️
@@gracekim1998this was the 2nd time in a row the final boss was copied in the mainline modern games lol
The infinite battle looked really good!
To be completely honest, I would have preferred the second Infinite fight in the offical game to be like the one that was showed in the video, I always had a weird disliking of the 2d sections for the 3d games especially for the boss fights.
The Chaos boss battle would've been a really good idea too.
This would totally make Sonic Forces more fun. And not so quick.
Since Infinite getting defeated over and over means he doesn't come off as much of a threat, rather than being a recurring boss fight, I feel he should have been an enemy the player has to run away from, like the Titans in Frontiers. You only get to fight him at the end of the game.
14:40
Phantom Ruby Robot/Monster is my nickname for Death Egg Robot
2:55 sneak peak for frontiers
3:00 Okay, Sonic Dempsey Rolling Zavok as a finisher is awesome!
We must all agree that Zavok is one of the most unfairly treated and underrated villains in the entire Sonic universe, right?
*sees the arena for the Chaos boss fight * oh, so like the water boss from Sonic Rush!!
I’ll never forget how much of a banger Zavok’s theme in this game is
I agree with this completely. As overkill as the zavok boss fight is, this still is better than the original. The boss fights were way too easy.
Bosses: Try to beat us now that we're harder
Sonic: Alright. Let's do this Shadow!
Classic Sonic: (Tries to Wave)
Sonic pushing Classic down: No he's not here.
Love the chaos theme remix and the mix of open your heart
I was gonna say, we never fought Chaos in Forces because he was one of like three bosses removed due to time constraints, considering the game also has a lot of cut story.
Considering the game already seemingly had a major hook on nostalgia baiting, imagine if each boss fight was just a re-creation of their boss fights from each game they appeared in. That'd be cool
Isn’t that just generations
16:40 I actually wish Sonic X Shadow Generations has a Last Story Segment cuz that gives me SXSG Vibes
0:00 why do i remember this boss fight even though it doesn’t exist
Your disappointment is trying to gaslight you into thinking it was official
These are just pretty cool combinations
I thought the Chaos fight was weird at first but as it progressed it fit way more. whoever the hell made it, props!
I was not expecting the egg dragoon in the classic sonic but considering the only place I've seen it was generations... also fucking sick!
- Look in this trailer we put Chaos
- Awsome , are we going to fight him ?
- Of course not , how about this rejected power ranger vilain teaming up with a giant bee ?
Yo sick mod tho bro. It reminds me of the older sonic bosses form the SA games.
We are talking about the first war in all of Mobius.
And I couldn't agree more with this video.
I was waiting for the fight with the Shadow replica, Metal Sonic replica and the Third Battle against Infinite, I still feel satisfied with the Bosses faced in the video
The avatar infinite fight is perfect because it makes use of the 3d parts of the game and can’t get 2 hit by the fire weapon everything is a huge improvement and we honestly did not need metal sonic fight
I wish zavok’s fight wasn’t him just using a bee badnik and actually fighting sonic with his fist doing like wave attacks
I saw that Shadow is the Avatar, so I made it my headcanon that (somehow) Infinite stole Shadow's powers to charge the Phantom Ruby.
That's why the boss fight are harder and why Shadow uses a Wispon and not just his powers.
Then in the final boss battle, he got a bit of his power back because Infinite was defeated. That's how he could keep up with the Sonics.
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The chaos boss fight looks legit. I think it would've made more sense if classic Sonic was fighting him though
he does fight it, Sonic Overtime just replaces him with modern sonic for the video
It's amazing and sad at the same time that fans are doing better than a whole company
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No one gonna talk about how in sync The music was to Infinites power here 8:20
Modern sonic in classic stages reminds me of Sonic Rush, especially in Egg Dragoon when dodging the Gunfire, Reminds me of how you dodge the first boss in Sonic Rush's Rolling attack.
This video also makes me wish we get a Sonic & Shadow Game
a shame that the execution of infinite was a crime against humanity , a good design, the concept of his powers are totally god like , i hope sega give him a second chance
And AS WE SEE HERE WE SEE THE AMAZING SONIC TRANSFORM INTO HIMSELF FROM ANOTHER DIMENSION 1:16
Honestly for as easy the Zavok boss fight was, I kinda liked it.
Honestly the first infinite fight would be cooler without boost because you can literally attack him before you get close to Any Phantom Ruby traps.
Or at least have him fly faster so you NEED the boost to catch up to him.
Why does classic use modern's moveset and design?
Not to pick fault just a bit confused.
Is it because classic is harder to control at slower speeds?
So, from what I can see, there were mostly minor improvements to the bosses. Minor is for the Death Egg Robot, Egg Dragoon, and Infinite first fight (Making this one feel like Metal Sonic). Major changes were Chaos and Second Infinite fight.
Players: How’d you fix Classic Sonic?
Modders: We got rid of him.
Players: Brilliant.
I think fanmade boss fights that exist to make a game harder ride a fine line between "acceptable" and "completely tryhard" but I think these bosses are pretty good without being too ridiculous.
Minor thing would be the start of the first infinite fight, the first thing Infinite does is spawn red cubes directly in front of Sonic with only a split second to react. Gotta remember these are kids games, not DMC, it would've been better if he spawned them so close the second or third time during the fight while the first time you get a little bit of leeway so you know what you're getting into. Other than that I have no notes.
Wish there was something for Metal Sonic and Shadow in Sunset Heights.
2:02 do you know how many memes would’ve come out from this Bossfight from how many bees are in here
I really like how the Chaos 0 boss fight looks. It reminds me a lot to the boss fights in Sonic Rush/Rush Adventure
me after the Chaos boss fight "where you going, you big drip"
Would be cool to see a Shadow boss fight like this (Sonic meets up with Phantom Shadow and they do a last chase boss fight like in generation or maybe a 3D boss fight to Dodge a lot of attacks and maybe when it knocks down or after the fight Sonic then real Shadow comes in like in the cutscene)
5:27 all the hits to Eggman are on beat with the song
I hate that the final boss fight first Phase is called Death Egg Robot. It looks and fights nothing like the Death Egg Robot. Eggman usually has better naming than that
My problem with Infinite is that Eggman wanted him to be a killing machine, and he let EVERYONE live!!
The egg dragoon would make more sense if classic fought eggman and when he brought the dragoon out, modern swapped in.
(Controversial opinion alert) tbh sonic forces was my first ever sonic game, I died quite a bit and had fun, it may have been bad in most peoples perspective, but for me, I liked it. (Also now I’ve played better games like generations, SA2, and frontiers, I do see why people called it bad compared to others.)
Wow, the game actually looks fun now!
Sega should take some notes from their fans.
If the sonic forces game where to be remastered. I think Sega needs these types of boss-fights and more scenes.
Are you using a mod that makes sonic turn better when boosting?
I think all the bosses apart from infinite phase 1 was for classic sonic.
It should've taken 2 super sonics and a super powered avatar to take down infinite. Why hype a villain up to be so dangerous and powerful if they don't at least require the use of the chaos emeralds to defeat?
Mmm good point 😅
Sonic forces, by no means Is a bad game, it’s just a lot of missed potential, sega is to blame, not sonic team
Totally accurate title although i definitely abandonned Sonic Forces. Doesn't have that much of a replayability value. Mods are fun to play once to check them out by yourself but game itself gets boring after once again.
The fact that they were supposed to be like this from the beginning
Thank you for making the final fight not so BS.
Finally, now Chaos is involved in the war.
Put silver instead of classic sonic and give the game a puzzle feel and maybe I will agree
I Agree
Chaos's animations could use some work but for fan made this is amazing.
This game has so much potential, but sega didn't learn their lesson so the game was kinda shiat
I guess modders do what sega don’t
incredible! all I need now is an actual boss fight with The End-no, the Tohou ripoff and Supreme phase two from the latest update do not count-and I will be completely satisfied.
Title: Sounds like the bosses are actually a threat
Gameplay: Continues to prove that they're still a joke because they can just be defeated with minimum effort & cheese tactics.
The last boss is actually pretty challenging. I did die a few times on the Avatar one as well. I make it seem abit easier, as I know all the patterns
To be fair, it’s Sonic Forces, there’s only so much improving that can be done to a 5/ 10 game
Same as Frontiers Bosses lmao
@@Terminal_Apotos To a lesser extent.
@@NeonStudios763 Not really, the Titans are just Punching bags with attacks that are rendered irrelevant because of the infinite parry. Aside from Knight none of the Titans have any interesting Gameplay mechanics aside from basic QTE’s which are Mindless and mostly optional, again, due to the infinite Parry
5:30 why does it make me laugh when it syncs in the music
Honestly other than the chaos not getting a fight and the rushed story,the game was pretty ok
I like that they just replaced Classic Sonic in these with Mordern Sonic
As they should honestly, as they should XD
1:15 bro de-aged faster then the eye can see 💀
14:55 this mod predicted sonic x shadow generations 😂
Yeah I Can’t Believe It 😂
The Egg Dragoon had 10 shots of espresso before the fight, my god
Bro I didn't notice at first but The Chaos 0 Battle had a remix of Open your heart as the Boss Music.
The biggest ick for me for boss fights is the Infinite encounters, I personally think that the idea of a virtual reality world built on this villains perception was always a cool idea but I found it disappointing that he only throws cubes at you with you being able to go through all 3 fights without seeing this side of the boss once, I always thought it would be a cool idea to make these virtual reality segments a required part of the boss in a phase 2 sorta sense not just making him more aggressive with cubes, use the lasers or smth
wait did modern sonic transformed into classic at the end of the chaos fight?
I wonder, was the chaos 0 based off of Charii5 Sonic forces rewritten section of where thwy mention tails fixing onega and fighting chaos 0