Out of control students driving Brevard County teachers to call it quits
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- The Brevard County School district is struggling to hold on to teachers and staff due with a new audit showing and 80% increase in teacher vacancies since 2018. After five years, only 48% stay in the district.
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I’m not a veteran teacher and I quit because of student behavior. Nothing in my schooling prepared me for the disrespect and straight up abuse I endured. Yes, I had some great students who I miss and wish I could’ve given more attention to, but it was so painful to go into work every day that I couldn’t do it anymore. I lost 15 pounds and had to be in weekly counseling to cope with my job. I LOVED teaching, but my job was 70% babysitting, 20% grading, and 10% actual teaching. It was miserable.
What are your thoughts about parents who do not want their kids in public schools for the same & other reasons? The way I figure, if teachers feel the same as you about the situation in US schools then parents are totally right to feel similarly.
@@historypolitics108 I’m also a teacher, well I was. I resigned for similar reasons. I’d say 1) properly fund public schools 2) attract and retain highly qualified staff - it can be done and 3) empower admin to actually handle disruptions instead of feel they have to hide what’s really going on. If admin, parents, and kids respect the classroom leader and provide material support, the skies the limit. But take all that way and you see what results. This isn’t rocket science. We know what works, but there’s so much people-pleasing going on, parents not holding kids accountable, and grownups acting like bratty children the whole ship is sinking.
@@akc1739 yes. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
There wil be no change in discipline untill: 1) No Child Left Behind is modified so that schools are not punished for disciplining students. 2) other Federal laws
are modified so Special Education students can be disciplined. and 3) parents of rowdy, rude and out of control students must feel some pain (.mandatory meetings. fines, etc). Contact your reps, tell them to do this and vote for their opponents if they aren't willing.
It's absolutely the same here in SoCal. No discipline, even for horrible fighting at the HS level, just "behavior contracts" (what, is this middle school?) that never go anywhere. And to make matters worse, admin can go after teachers and blame them for poor classroom management even tho they have no back up or recourse when it comes to student discipline.
Students have all the rights and teachers are expected to put up with threats, disrespect, and abuse. Most parents simply back their kids or won't answer the phone of you call. Kids were even upset that the sub expected them to be quiet and working the other day.
Oh, and there's no dress code anymore because the kids are offended at such a requirement. I'm not talking uniform - just decent, regular clothing. They're totally setting these kids up for a shock when they go into the workforce - they will go from feeling entitled to feeling like victims, like there's something wrong with all these work place expectations.
You know it’s bad when the principal leaves!
it means that he wasn't he problem - the board is. if he was allowed to do whatever he wanted, he wouldnt' leave and you wouldn't have the behavior problem.
My principal used to walk around with a police baton xD
No, you know it's bad when teachers leave in droves.
PARENTS; GET YOUR CHILDREN UNDER CONTROL!!! 🙏♥️💪🇺🇸
if u Discipline your kids it abuse you go to Jail
😂😂😂 now we want strong families. After all of the years that this disgusting society spent chipping away at nuclear family values, now we want to turn it around. Destroy the family, destroy the nation.
@@2bstiff584 so grounding taking away their privileges of your kids that is abuse and you will goto jail for
@@2bstiff584 stop making excuses. Go watch the nanny( British one ) and she has a lot of techniques where you can discipline a child without spanking.
Alot of yall parents just lazy as hell and spank your kids and kid still ain't learn nothing. Then yall kids still bad as fck but they hide it from you. Them spankings ain't solve shid.😂😂
Just say yall had kids just because and yall ain't really want em. Piss poor azz parents. Then get mad when someone say we need to force sterilized some of yall. 😂😂😂
@@ttsese yes u can not even yell at your kids
The lack of parenting is astounding!
Broken society
Most of these parents don't want kids😂. Had them to feel special in front of others.😂
@@irvinethegod9030 Most of the parents of troubled kids are under 35 themselves.
Parent* most kids raised by only their moms
The things is, you can be sued by your child if you discipline them...
Kids in my class made my computer teacher cry. Like she was the nicest and soft spoken teacher in our grade and yet kids took it upon themselves to bully the heck out of her. One day she couldn't control the class, the vp stormed in and told her she'd be fired if this went on as neighboring houses were complaining. She didnt rat on the kid and said she will improve (in tears) ,iterally everyone ratted out the kid who was causing the most trouble. He got his parents called and he honestly stopped doing that. These days even that level of accountability is missing, no wonder kids are growing up entitled and stuff
kids have been making teachers cry as long as there have been schools! not saying its not worse now but these problems aren't entirely new!
My school had a gym teacher quit while crying, she couldn't control the class so she just melted down on the gym floor. We weren't even actively doing or saying a single thing to her, the tone of the room was friendly, nothing indicated a reason to melt down
Teachers have been high strung as long as we've had schools. It's not on the students, or the teachers. The teachers are pupettered by big corporations to sell their product the way the company wants it to be. Nobody likes it, and it's straing on everyone
@@DrunkenGuitarGuy not really true….
Growing up nobody ever dared to speak back to a teacher.
If you did it was a week in ISS and you don’t want that.
@@MrHocotateFreight you do realize that you weren't the only class that she had that day right? I guarantee you there was a very solid reason why she melted down. Notice how you said that she couldn't control the class, and the room was friendly. That's not very friendly if the class is out of control. It's not a teacher's job to completely control the class, it is also the students responsibility to listen. 2 way street.
A principal berating a teacher IN FRONT OF the students. There you gave the respect problem in a nutshell.
my wife has been a teacher for nearly 30 years. she says it is the SCHOOL BOARDS AND ADMINISTRATORS who refuse to have and enforce anything like reasonable discipline policies. elect school boards that set discipline as a top priority and monitor them and insist that they hire school administrators who understand that.
Absolutely agree with you. You can write whatever codes of conduct you want for students, but it does absolutely no good when it's not enforced. This woke ideology has ruined education.
It’s difficult to do so anymore bc of the whole “it’s who you know” crap that goes on there. It’s not fair.
@@Sarah-rr5uo so, you need to run for election to your school board. check it out. NOT difficult to do. talk to other parents, identify issues, you CAN get elected.
All of this. ❤❤❤❤
A mom I know went to her kids class recently and did a sit in and said she was blown away by how bad the kids acted. Said she didn't know how the teachers deal with it nor should they have to.
Weak leadership & poor parenting.
Florida.
@@Iseethelightning Not Florida it is the Teacher’s Union and the school superintendent’s, that won’t allow them to punish out of control students, they need to be suspended or expelled.
@@A-FrameWedge it's Florida what do you expect' they only keep kids in school for those tax dollars. make them into mini- prisons..
A toxic combo.
Nailed it. It's nationwide.
Out of control parents.
Banning cell phones in class is just a start. What they really need to be doing is bringing the hammer down on these unruly students. But you can't do that because of helicopter parents. If their son / daughter so much as get's a warning for behavior the parent is in full rage mode stomping their way into the school to holler at the teacher because their son /daughter is the most behaved student in the world in their eye's.
@Dave B Honestly you would think from a common sense standpoint they would but the fact of the matter is some parents are afraid or don't want to get involved so they let it happen. Or the school let's it happen because the students parents donate to the school and they're deathly afraid of losing part of that cash cow if they speak up.
Once upon a time, I had a super unruly class and the son of the principal was the cause. I sent an email indicating that I was going to "drop the hammer" on this kid. Admin (millennial) showed up to my class saying that corporal punishment was not allowed in our school and my hammer reference was disturbing. lol. Sorry, your comment reminded me of that. I fled from teaching in 2020 and I'll never go back.
@@HomeEcSewing No need to be sorry i certainly do not blame you in the least for refusing to go back.
My experience after over 35 years teaching is that they "say" they are going to ban cell phones. Now, we're not talking about taking them away, just having the students leave their phones in their lockers, but all it takes is one or a handful of people to start making a fuss about that and the school board and administration back off on that "new" rule. So they can say it's going to happen. Sorry. I don't even begin to believe it.
The problem is no self respect and no respect for others!! We are raising selfish narcissists!!! When I was in school we were taught the golden rule and to keep our hands to ourselves!!
blaks
yes, golden rule: treat others the way you want to be treated ! ! that goes for students, teachers, everyone.
@@richardhead3211 Can't say it, but it's true!
This is the product of zero discipline, and never teaching your kids to have respect for authority. Kids are allowed to do as they please and if you think this is bad, just wait until they are the adult generation. We will be at their mercy if they are the ones left to care for the elders. And one crazy part of this is, the "new" dress code and cell phone policies are what we USED to have before someone decided to spoil kids by catering to their feelings.
Yep you're right!
There’s two things I wouldn’t ever want to be in today’s society a cop and a teacher. This generation is out of control. My generation respected cops and teachers very much this generation is growing up in a social media world which is poisoning there minds.
Was it catering to the kids' feelings or catering to parents. I mean that gentle parenting or what dumb ass term they use. You can raise your kids without violence. Your kids are not your friends, and your kids should be able to go to you no matter what. Understanding there are consequences for actions, but they will be heard, and if there is punishment, it will not be excessive. Let's be honest. A lot of these parents don't have control at home. They are expecting everyone else to raise their kids.
Yup. This is a monster they created and they have the audacity to say it's not them. Diversity, equity, and inclusion are ruining our public education system, yet they point the finger at other things to wipe their hands clean.
Who decided those policies were to stop being used anyway??
The problem is not the teachers, it is the students.
@Dave B The students shouldn't need to be controlled even when they are little. The school should be able to provide structure and the students should be able to fit into the routine. Americans need to understand that we have created a culture that isn't conducive to raising children.
It's the parents.
The public school model is no longer fit for the culture
@@daveb6125 I call it "no child gets ahead".
And the adults (school board) are allowing the students/children to be a problem.
I’m friends with an old high school teacher who retired early after covid. He’s already been saying a few years that these generations of kids are different. They’re extremely disrespectful, think they know everything already because internet, and they constantly complain.
Start Expelling the ones acting and out.
We need to start fining parents for their kids behavior. After theyre are their responsibility
I've been told by a parent that teachers spend more time with her son than she does therefore it's up to the teachers to control his behavior. 🤦♀
Yes, in Michigan, two parents are in jail for buying their son who had emotional problems a gun. He killed 4 of his peers and wounded many others at school. Parents didn't spend much time at home, he was there by himself, he had no direction. The kid actually told his parents he needed help and they told him to suck it up.
Get your kids off of their phones. Make them do occasional hard labor like chopping wood or community service. A child who has only known comfort is a child can't be told "no".
And we need them to hand over phones at the door in school. No phones in the class.
We recently moved to a new area and I took a few weeks to ask around to see which school I would enroll my kids at. All I heard about one school was that student behavior was out of control so I went with the other one. I expect my children to respect their teachers so I want them in an environment where other students are also expected to be respectful in class. Those disruptive kids are literally hindering the education of other students and I want my kids in a school where teachers are empowered and consequences are followed through with. I love the school we're at now and I make sure to tell them they are doing a great job!
Chris Evans I can work on the morning now that day is find out now good luck hope you feel good and did you take the first one day love world
Back in the day if we were behaving badly, we were punished by being scolded, revoked recess, visit to the principals office for more scolding , and worst of all a note to your parents , only to be scolded again.
Scolded? I WISH! I got a nice beating for pretty much everything. LOL Not saying it's what parents ought to do, just wishing I could gotten off a little easier.
When I say scolding. I mean getting the strap. and a spanking when I got home.However we were not crybabies like kids are now. We got over it and moved on, without another thought about it.@@trusound170
Pftt I would've gotten my ass handed by my Mexican parents lmfao
Well back in the 70's, We got our A$$ whooped.
@kushman123 I am aware of what scolding is, and I am able to differentiate between a scolding and a beating. Which is why I said, "Scolded? I WISH! I got a nice beating for pretty much everything." However, when I was growing up we did get "corporal punishment". AKA, "a paddlin'". My first grade teacher whacked us across the knuckles for every missed spelling word. The principal had a huge wooden paddle with holes in it. All that scolding is starting to sound real good now isn't it? LOL
No person of sound mind would willing want to be a Florida teacher.
There are 200,000 thousand or so teachers in Florida. Chances are most of them are "of sound mind." Florida is a great state, more people moving to the State than leaving the State for a very long time.
No person of sound mind would live in Florida.
It's not Florida. No child left behind is national. And the weak school boards and principals are national as well. Nothing unique about Florida here.
Cell phones in school are a real problem everywhere.
It’s become such a problem that the district don’t even care if they bring them, but they have to be in backpacks turned off. The problem is that only works w elementary kids not the secondary kids. It needs to be no cell phones until after school hours which mine did have in high school for like games and clubs etc. in the classroom it should be taken away. Have parents sign a form at beginning of year so they can’t get upset because they already knew and have kids sign it too
This is my last year, too. I don't plan to go back because of behavior issues. It's getting to the point where I don't even know if I'll be going to work one day to the next. I find myself hating my life because I loathe my job. The end of this year can't come soon enough. These children can be so rude and disrespectful.
I just retired after 32 years and can't believe how rude and disrespectful high school kids are. 😮
Don't forget elementary students as well. Felt like I was a punching bag for decades. Now happily retired with bad work nightmares still.
Congratulations! If you did 32 years, you deserve all the wonderful things life has to offer! This is year 26 for me...4 more to go and I am out of here!
teach IB or similar honors and advanced classes, most of the people in those classes WANT to be there, they actually try and are motivated, and usually treat the teachers and each other with kindness, respect and compassion.
@@catzenhouse a big part of the problem too is, we now have people who have mental health and severe emotional/behavior disorders in mainstream schools and classes, when in reality they need to be in a special program, not shoved into regular schools and classes ! food for thought, as we know, so many people think they need to bring back corporal punishment, i disagree, because we have many countries who outlawed that completely: Sweden, Finland, Holland, Cyprus, Denmark, Switzerland, Sweden, and more: they do not use physical punishment, not parents, or teachers; and yet the students/ youth, and adults for that matter are much better behaved than they are as a whole here in the US. over all crime rates and jail / prison population is much much lower, violence and other crime is much lower than it is here. school performance(grades, attendance), is much higher than here. I think we need to research what they are doing to make things more effective . these students as well as adult need more stability, they need positive stimulation and yes they do need t be held accountable. do the research, look it up: yes, these countries and more do not use any corporal punishment and they do not have the problems we are having here.
@@Shannonbarnesdr1 Oh, the IB kids are a whoooooole 'nother level of awful. The International Baccalaureate is NOT a gifted program for "motivated" students -- it is a completely normal, BASIC college prep program for European universities, but the students think they're something special. I told them as much one day because they incessantly referred to other students in the school as "regulars." The only reason we have IB in American schools is to prop up failing schools' test scores by creating a "magnet" to draw in better test takers. That's it. The parents are insufferable and the students are entitled as fuck.
Who would anyone want to be a teacher now with the curriculum their being forced to teach? That poor teacher in the Carolinas was shot after the Administration ignored her even when she told them it was going to happen!
How is curriculum related to getting shot?
@@teebone2157 The course was Firearms Safety and Use.
The disrespect and violence is out of control!! I would have to quit as well or go to prison😮
It's the same in Ontario… I wouldn't necessarily blame the parents because the parents are being shut out from having a voice. It's the school boards that absolutely don't care about their teachers or students. And I agree with the video, the phones need to get out of the classroom!!
And so 1 million people march against the agenda in the classrooms and Trudeau says they are just full of hate.
I've been bitten, punched, threatened, and cut by different students each and every day. Spent half my day doing restraints until I finally realized they can't be helped. Ray Donahue USN (Ret)
I am a Spanish teacher in another state. 23 years in, and seriously grappling with what I will do in the fall. I have no idea what else I’m qualified to do.
Well there is a big need to teach new immigrants English so I think your skills will be in demand
Can you tell me where I can get a job to teach English to new immigrants? I am seriously contemplating of leaving the teaching profession in both public and private school.
Look on indeed
I'm in this boat now. MA degree, 6 years of experience. I too thought I could move on to teaching immigrants, refugees, or some type of training for corp or govt agencies. 8 months of trying, 10 interviews, still nothing. So I've been working online and in retail.
How are things going, teacher?
The crises facing teachers and their lack of control is twofold. A breakdown in family structure and good parenting in which children learn proper respect and boundaries. The other, is an administration that doesn’t back up the teachers’ concerns and disciplinary actions, sometimes even undermining the teacher’s authority in the classroom. Teachers are caught in the middle of this struggle. It’s no wonder so many are burned out and quitting.
Admin is so hostile to teachers - flat out saying they don't trust teachers to do their jobs properly. I'm so glad I am away from all that 24/7 stress and abuse.
I can truly attest to your comment. I was a substitute teacher for fourteen years. I have been rebuked - sometimes reprimanded - by school administrators for trying to discipline students or trying to teach students proper respect. I think the problem is that many school administrators are intimidated by the parents.
It puts extra strain on the teachers that stay. And the kids that actually want 2 learn. Im so glad igrew up on the 90s.
I vote to go back to virtual learning. Protect our teachers!
Just have the teachers send bad students to at school detention? Literally any back talkers go to that one room, where they get investigated for expulsion and or truancy checks. They also get a call from their parents on the spot. If my mom heard, I was rude, to a teacher, repeatedly, I would be in fear for my life. Lazy work from principals, staff members, and cheap decisions to not have security at school. Defend your workers if you want them, stop creating a hostile work environment; support your staff members.
They don’t want to pay teachers…they also don’t want to pay to have more personnel to monitor “bad kids” in a detention room.
I AM THE SON OF A TEACHER. Mom came home most of the days overwhelmed with work and sad or depressed when she was insulted by a student. She prepared in home her plans for teaching, she can't spend time with her own kids, working on lessons that students won't appreciate. I am so sad watching her driving to a place where she will be disrespected, and called the "B" word just for asking students to pay attention. The schools want my mom to be God and control what the whole government can't. My mom is a person with feelings, emotions, and family, she deserves to be happy and respected like everybody else! if a secretary in a company is called by her boss B or F or the N-word because he is rude, are you going to educate the secretary to learn relational skills to make him happy and blame her for causing that? does she have to go to level 5 to keep her job or lose it? so you will train her to accept her domination and misery??
It’s the lack parenting. Parents, please discipline your children.
Who was the unidentified man who said:
“We have a lot of stay at home moms who are in middle school and might think ‘I can come back’ and if we get the discipline under control, then maybe…”
And what sort of reporting or message is that word salad supposed to convey?
Not trolling, I genuinely feel very confused by this report.
The kids are texting mom at home about the "horrible" things the teachers are making the student do. "How dare the teacher want to teach?!"
weird he said nothing about dads. maybe the dads that owe thousands in child support can get a job at the school and start showing responsibility.
😂 he was saying that there are a lot of stay at home moms whose kids are in middle school that might want to come back to work if they can get this problem fixed.
@@matthewthompson9902that’s not at all what he was saying. He’s aging there are a lot of stay at home moms wanting to come back if they get the discipline under control because their kids are in middle school and are in school. So they have the ability to work now.
The problem is politicians (who have never been in a classroom) and administration which does not do its job, but is only concerned with keeping parents happy and avoiding lawsuits.
I would quit too! Ridiculous that parents can't control their kids! Disgusting. 😮
Laws have made it where it is impossible to discipline children in today's society ‼️ Our children are NOT better because of it.
And your administrators won't discipline them either!
@@lisaoscar1625 I wouldn't want administrators disciplining my children ever! I mis-phrased they make it difficult.
It's been going downhill ever since they did away with corporal punishment.
Nobody stands up for the teachers.
Especially in Florida where they can't even strike.
Most teachers are Liberals and they have created this with their liberal , "You can hit a teacher and not be expelled" Crap!
This comment explains very clearly why we have unions.
@Rowdy Jr Florida is weird.
So true - Florida has the lousiest pay as well@@TheVuduYuDu
I taught at public schools for more than ten years. I joined a private school and this year I was assigned as a teacher in middle school. The degree of disrespect I endure from our students were beyond compare!
I almost lost my confidence in teaching. As if I was not a teacher of the year once at my school few years back. Some parents blame their children’s low grade on me when their children did not do their best effort.
I just lost my self-esteem and I am contemplating of quitting the teaching profession soon.
The Bible says, people be worst and wicked in the last days. Children will disrespect even their own parents and be very sinful. We need to pray for these youth to recognized their behaviors. They need help.
I went to Kennedy middle school and the only reason why you would ever get detention is if you were running to lunch. That was biggest issue when I went there. Then when I went to Rockledge High I genuinely don't think there was a detention.
The levels of disrespect and lawlessness the students give out is off the charts now. A lot of them deserve jail or juvie tbh.
We need to put the blame in the lack of parental discipline. If your kid is disruptive in school you should be handling it at home. Schools aren’t daycare centers they’re there to mold the future workers and leaders of America.
Modern schooling does exist in part so that kids can be supervised while parents work. It's not the only reason, but it is part of the reason.
When I taught I hardly had support from my principals, so when the kids acted out I took it upon myself to call and text parents. Luckily these kids had parents who weren't in denial about how bad their kids can behave. Most of the time the parent came and took care of it. If the child exploded at least the parent was there to witness and control their child misbehaving. I had a few parents who didn't show up because they worked, but at least the child would get consequences at home. Sadly there were some who didn't want to deal with their child so they'd avoid answering my calls or texts. Not all teachers can do what I did though because they'd get in trouble with their principals. The school board is usually a group of good ol boys and it's so annoying to teachers how out of touch most of them are. Don't get me started on the ridiculous and often ineffective programs they approve for us to teach when we're already overflowing with work. They add more to teacher's plates, and won't take anything away. Teaching isn't teaching anymore, it sucks because you're constantly and emotionally stressed and barely have anything left to give to your own family. There's a lot of crappy administrators too who just want to appease parents. There are parents who complain not knowing that their child is exaggerating or lying about things. It's too much drama and not worth the toxicity. Then some people have the nerve to minimize a teacher's negative and traumatic experience and gaslight them by asking , "What about the kids?" Well, what about them? You can only bend so much for a student who doesn't want to learn or be there. It's not my job to do everything, the kids have to do their part too, and a lot of them aren't because of lack of discipline, and/or something going on at home that I'm not responsible for. Just awful all around. It really does start at home and parents should not let their children run things because we are the adults, not them. I don't care how much they push back. Also, some parents seem to think that when the child is in school, the teacher takes on the role of parent, and that's not true. Teachers are supposed to teach, that's it, but people expect us to be our student's mother or father when that relationship should belong to the parents.
When we got responsible school board members on our local board the Democrats in the county lost their minds over it, calling them extremists and doing everything they could to get them off the board. It was clear to me that there was outside money and paid operatives working to make sure the board had a complacent and passive culture that would not enforce discipline.
It starts at home and these lazy parents aren’t doing their job which likely goes straight back to their parents not teaching them how to behave and as they get older , how to parent their kids. Discipline in the home helps to teach them how to interact in society, and learn respect for authority. Without lessons at home, there is chaos. Don’t wait until the kids are teenagers, start teaching them right and wrong, yes and no to actions when they are little.
a big part of the problem too is, we now have people who have mental health and severe emotional/behavior disorders in mainstream schools and classes, when in reality they need to be in a special program, not shoved into regular schools and classes ! food for thought, as we know, so many people think they need to bring back corporal punishment, i disagree, because we have many countries who outlawed that completely: Sweden, Finland, Holland, Cyprus, Denmark, Switzerland, Sweden, and more: they do not use physical punishment, not parents, or teachers; and yet the students/ youth, and adults for that matter are much better behaved than they are as a whole here in the US. over all crime rates and jail / prison population is much much lower, violence and other crime is much lower than it is here. school performance(grades, attendance), is much higher than here. I think we need to research what they are doing to make things more effective . these students as well as adult need more stability, they need positive stimulation and yes they do need t be held accountable. do the research, look it up: yes, these countries and more do not use any corporal punishment and they do not have the problems we are having here.
not just respect for authority, but golden rule, respect EVERYONE treat everyone the way you wan to be viewed and treated.
It’s my last year teaching and we’ve lost 5 teachers throughout the year, it’s so rare for them to leave before the year is out where I live. I’m sticking it out but on June 2- I’m out!
Wow they cut the teacher off when she started to be specific about what politics caused her to quit....
Of course they did!
Yes I’m graduated and the kids at my school were awful. The new freshman’s were sooooo disrespectful and literally everyday at one point a group of kids were getting caught vaping in the bathroom. The boys were absolutely wrecking their bathrooms to the point where the school had to shut down all the boy’s bathrooms except one over by the office. And awful towards the teachers and ofc did not listen in class and were making TikTok’s all day. I literally cannot make this up. It was sooo bad after Covid and the new freshman’s behavior seem to get worse every year. there was and is also a weird amount of fights just teens acting a fool. Smfh….
Wow that's crazy!
I graduated last year in 2022 and it’s the same exact thing at my school, I heard the new batch of freshmen are even worse
@Dave B wow didn’t even think ab that. It is effecting the teachers more then anybody. And I see that it was also effecting me in some way. I wouldn’t say that it has effected any success in my life only bc while I was in school I wasn’t taking classes for anything specific. But sometimes assignments world be drawed out longer then supposed to bc of ppls behavor resulting in assignments that still needed to get done but didn’t have enough time bc the semester is over. And that happened at this one class I was in and it was full of freshman and sophomores acting a fool, I wonder how it looks like now.
Freshmen’s 😂😂😂
I bet the principal/dean did nothing about it when the teachers asked for help too.
This is what you get parents when you teach your kids that 'respect is earned.' They'll take it literally. I won't respect adults until they do something I like that I respect them for.
Lol. Nice turnabout
I was a career changer to become a teacher. Something I always wanted to do. Loved helping kids. I lasted 10 yrs. Many students had behavioral problems, learning disabilities and/or health issues, I resigned. Lost my retirement, health care and any future security. Working now for low pay, my present and future will be a struggle.
a big part of the problem too is, we now have people who have mental health and severe emotional/behavior disorders in mainstream schools and classes, when in reality they need to be in a special program, not shoved into regular schools and classes ! food for thought, as we know, so many people think they need to bring back corporal punishment, i disagree, because we have many countries who outlawed that completely: Sweden, Finland, Holland, Cyprus, Denmark, Switzerland, Sweden, and more: they do not use physical punishment, not parents, or teachers; and yet the students/ youth, and adults for that matter are much better behaved than they are as a whole here in the US. over all crime rates and jail / prison population is much much lower, violence and other crime is much lower than it is here. school performance(grades, attendance), is much higher than here. I think we need to research what they are doing to make things more effective . these students as well as adult need more stability, they need positive stimulation and yes they do need t be held accountable. do the research, look it up: yes, these countries and more do not use any corporal punishment and they do not have the problems we are having here.
You have your sanity - and that's what counts. Teaching will ruin your health.
I say all teachers should quit until conditions improve.
Agree, but sadly in Florida teachers can't even strike
Hats off to them. This is the only way anything is ever going to change. If enough of them quit, there will be no school and the administrators and trustees can go explain that to the parents.
As a matter of fact, I'd like to see a LOT more of this across all jobs and professions.
Level of disrespect is outrageous. Parents be slacking!
Thanks for discussing this openly! 🙏
State and federal laws make it virtually impossible to remove dangerous student behavior from classrooms, with inclusion laws prioritized over safety. There is not always anything local districts can do, especially as the cost of outplacing students is the district's burden, and placement is very limited.
We should have reformed inmates visit schools to explain what a undiscipline lifestyle leads to a prison term
We had something like that in the 60’s-early 70’s. It was called SCARED STRAIGHT. Prisoners would describe their history/prison life to an auditorium of HS students. The message was that school was a privilege, behave, work hard and don’t mess up like I did. It was effective. The discipline problems are so much worse now. We were raised to behave and that getting in trouble at school was the least of our worries. When our parents were told, shit would hit the fan.
Teachers are actually quitting because of admin. It's not just about the kids. The admin are bureaucratic and it's "who you know"
Lily don't forget these azzhole parents who raise (or don't) such terrible kids.
@@Donley76 This!
@@Donley76 for me I don't like how no matter how much time you spend prepping and planning the kids still don't remember a lick of what you say. Copying a letter I wrote on the board was a challenge. It's too much and yes them not listening. You know how many times I saw kids go to the water fountain without asking me?
Who is "you know who " in Florida ?
@@sarahann530 I mean that the job is bureaucratic as in it's all cliquey
I’m an educator looking to change careers asap. The older kids are awful. They’ll just curse and yell like the teacher isn’t in the room. I’ve tried everything I can to help them focus and learn something but they’re not interested. I’ve been punched, kicked, door slammed on me repeatedly, laptops thrown at me, etc.
Outrageous....I'm 35 years old, when I was in school kids were respectful to teachers..what happened??? 😢
I'm a substitute teacher. Today I taught kindergarten. I spent so much time trying to get control of the class that there wasn't much time to actually teach. I've wondered what was wrong with me. Is it possible there is nothing wrong with me?
Nothing wrong with you.
Start paying them more. $100,000 a year minimum
For real. This country expects people to care when they’re being paid like indentured servants
They would only be worth that if they don't teach woke and they carry a firearm
Really? Most of those teachers could not pass an 8th grade test from 1900.
They are Affirmative Action idiots with 87 I.Q.'s
Most of them are over paid as it is.
teachers aren't teaching math or spelling or any other subjects that I can tell. We have high school graduates that don't understand the monetary value of American coins, and are unable to make simple change. They can't look up food items in their computer because they can't spell simple words like "celery" and so they think they don't sell any. I feel sorry for employers today because the workers are functioning at a 2nd grade level and they think they deserve to be pay like a CEO.
@@jgirl18515 there are definitely a lot of bad teachers that dont deserve that type of pay. my kids have had about half good and half bad. my daughters 2nd grade teacher was the worst. she wasn't teaching the kids any spelling, math or reading. when covid started i homeschooled and got her caught up.
Looks like the teachers said DeSantis exacerbated their pay dissatisfaction. So school board response is ‘dress code’??
Believe me that dress code and cell phones will have zero effect on teacher retention.
We need to bring suspensions and expulsions back. However administrators don't want to or it will affect their pay and bonuses
It's the same in NY. These schools suck.
Unruly, incorrigible, delinquent students should be suspended/expelled, without the school being held accountable for those students schooling while their out of school.
Badly behaved kids need to start being expelled.
From what I’ve heard, there is simply too much red tape getting in the way of effectively disciplining misbehaving students. There is also the concern of racism accusations and similar things when disciplining certain students.
Yes, Sir!!! The red tape and paperwork is real!!
I was absolutely fine with cellphones being banned from classrooms. They need to be away from classrooms, I hated when a sudden noise would come on whenever I was trying to do work. I still hate it today.
And yes, veteran teachers, and just teachers in general, are sooo under-appreciated. At my schools, if you dared to act up and act crazy, you got suspensions and detentions! Any acts of resentment and/or rebellion were to be done AWAY from the classrooms. AWAY.
And even then I could not participate in such behavior, I just wanted to get into college and get a job and advance in my career. That’s all. Instead, I also had to worry about crap like this. Luckily, we had very few incidents that escalated dramatically, if at all, like this in my schools. But still I felt a lot of stress because of hearing stories about rowdy students in general.
Rowdy students don’t just put stress on teachers, they put stress on the families of teachers and staff, and educational systems in general (which are already broken themselves in many other ways on so many levels). They create a system-wide type of chaos and stress, especially on those who already set high expectations and want people in the system to succeed!
PARENTS, PLEASE GET YOUR CHILDREN’S CRAP TOGETHER BEFORE THEY ENTER HIGH SCHOOL. BEFORE MIDDLE SCHOOL, EVEN!
If it's that way in Florida, imagine how it is here in Fresno, California. Out of control students come from out of control parents. Admin is afraid of the parents and doesn't give a hoot and support the teachers. The children aren't stupid. In fact, they think it's funny to watch their parent make a fool of themselves as they chew out their teacher in front of the class. Who gets admonished by admin? The teacher of course. Follow the money. Schools with abhorrent scores get more money thrown at them. The ex-Mrs. Bezos gave $22 million to Fresno Unified a couple months ago. The better performing schools receive less money from the state. There are no consequences to lying, cheating, and stealing. When my dad was a principal, he would call up the parent and tell them what their child did and ask them how many swats. Parents in those days expected their children to behave and not embarrass them.
Sure the parenting, but the education system is fucked the way it is. With a changing society you need to change the way you teach the newborn of that society. Look at how education is evolving abroad, how well they're doing there. Why can't we make progress here?
This is a lawless society. American culture is based on bullying and taking advantage of other people. It's not surprising that American children behave the way they do. They are modeling what's around them.
They don't shoot teachers abroad , that makes it easier to teach
I thought it was only the "Usual Suspects" but I was wrong, it's everyone! Kids are out of control! Parents are MIA.
Why is the news ignoring what their main interviewee said, twice: it is Florida and teachers are leaving BECAUSE OF THE POLITICS. As in what Ron DeSantis and his ilk are doing to schools in Florida.
Most people are glad to see teachers who are leaving because of the State wanting to protect kids from being groomed & LGBT indoctrinated in schools.
No it's not politics. It is out of control students and teachers have no where to turn for help. Admin turns I right back against the teacher instead of putting the blame where it belongs.. parents
I won't go back to teaching until they completely get rid of cell phones in the classroom instead of just saying they are doing it. Every student is on their phone all class period and they are watching videos, looking at inappropriate things, playing games, making tik toks, etc. It's every kid. And it's not because they don't have assignnments to do. They have plenty to do and have engaging lessons but they can't tear themselves away from the phones. Any parents reading this, don't allow your child to take a phone to school! Even an older phone that doesn't have service can be used on someone's Hotspot to access the internet. Also the kids put their earbuds lin and don't hear any of the lessons. It's a huge problem and parents need to make tge smart choice for their kids who are addicted to ther phones. Parents don't realize they are cheating their kids out of a good education by giving them phones. Who do you want teaching your kids? The teacher or the phone???
How about paying them enough that's a start
Used to for teacher said she wanted a meeting with the parents you were in trouble now they stick with the kid and the teachers in trouble. Or they call the FBI and say the parents are terrorists
More parents should set in on the classrooms.
My favorite teacher retired because of students constantly talking during a lecture. She was a loved teacher and when word got out to why she was retiring, those kids who were the reason were beaten up. They never spoke again
Teachers are not allowed to discipline anymore. And parents make excuses for their kids being assholes.
And the principals don’t back their teachers in any way. And the school board needs to do better than a no cell phone policy. That’s a flippin joke.
Hell! Let's have the prisoners teach these kids😆😆😆 save childless people some money🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I noticed what wasn't addressed: violent, disruptive students teachers don't hold a degree in psychology. They seem to not notice the elephant in the room. Oh yeah, how about increasing teacher pay & stop treating them like they're commoners or peaseants. Knock it off with all the politics.
New dress code and cell phone policies will not help teachers. Who will be responsible for monitoring the new policies? Teachers. Who will be on the front line? Teachers. Go ahead and get between a junkie and their drugs and that is a teen that has been told they cannot have their cell phone.
YESSSS
Pay teachers more. Problem solved.
Excellent reporting and very needed! James
why arent parents being called to come get thier kid? its not the schools job to discipline your kid its your job as a parent to do that. Teachers teach parents parent. good gravy its not hard just whip that ass a few times and the kid will know not to behave like that in school if your to weak to do that then take thier stuff not phones, computers or social media that will get their attention. Stop treating kids like adults start treating them like kids.
The parents may refuse to come to the school because they can't get off work. Parents may drop their child off even if he or she is suspended because they can't get off work. We don't have a culture that is conducive to raising children due to financial pressures.
And all the Kids: "Yeah, finally no School anymore!!!!" 😒😔
Its not about the kids. These kids have acted the same for generations. The issue is dealing with these kids WITH NO RESOURCES. Teachers don't get paid enough to work with perfectly well-behaved kids, let alone 30+ average-behaved kids with a few absolutely intolerable kids thrown in. Teachers don't get supply from the schools, it's out of pocket or donated. Then you have useful outlets for said bad-behavior like art, sports, counseling, after school clubs, ect... that are being cut out completely, which sends the students further into their only other outlet, *acting out*. And you have two polar opposite type of parents: the ones who say you have no rights to "parent" the students (ignoring the fact that as a child care provider you must care and provide for your students) and the ones who think that theyre a glorified babysitters and are legally obligated to take responsibility for the students actions as if they were the parent. Until schools get the funding they need to operate with the students and teachers well being in mind, its probably better off to quit or drop out.
Yes all generations act out, the difference is we had consequences back in the day, now they don’t. Btw I work in schools, I see it all the time; it’s getting worse because one: internet: two no repercussions of actions and people don’t parent anymore. Kids don’t get scared when u say “I’ll call parents or go to principal office” cuz they know they not going to do anything
At this point these unruly students individuals will be homeless.
Children who disrespect teachers should be home schooled. Politics should be out of schools. 😤
I worked in a high school for a few years and had to quit. I never thought I would be the one to say it but ...... Kids these days......
Esther, your HAIR!!!!!! ❤
Phones should be turned off and placed in a central location at the beginning of each class.
You need a real man in the school to establish law and order!
I see how many of these rug rats (term not used in an endearing manner) act out in public. No way in hell I would want thirty or more of them in a room.
I was a CTE teacher for a school system that had a very high poverty rate. So glad I quit when I did, the kids were unruly and very disrespectful at times. Administration tried to put the blame on me for the kids misbehaving. SORRY NOT MY FAULT!!! Schools need to get a better grip on the students.
I don't blame these teachers leaving! It's the same in the UK - no discipline from parents so the children are ferrel! I don't know about the US but in the UK schools are inspected and the government inspectors go in looking for faults (a teacher was told that by one of the inspectors)! A head teacher committed suicide a while back because the school inspectors were downgrading her school!
The situation is out of control in Southern California. Students are disrespect and violent. Parents don't help and Admin blames the teachers
tik-tok will teach them all they need to know to open up an onlyfans account...
I blame the government not paying the teachers more than $23 plus overtime. I also blame the students acting like a karen.
R.I.P. Public Education
Every responsibility is on the teachers, none are on the students. We are responsible for their behavior, their grades, their work ethic, their effort, their ability, their phone usage, their engagement, and they come to us unable to read even basic text. What were you expecting to happen? Administrators find every way to make the teacher the one at fault for literally everything. NCLB started this garbage and race to the bottom made it so much worse. Let me ask you. If you knew you could do no wrong, that every single thing you did or did not do would be placed at the feet of someone else, would you be on your best behavior? Seriously, our industry has become a joke. AND, let's talk about curriculum. Practicing tests is not learning, ok. It's not. Districts, maybe not all, but a lot, start practicing tests very early. Mine, around third grade. This is when kids are developing their tastes for reading. What they like, what genres, styles, stories, types of characters and so much more. Instead of fostering these mechanisms and creating people who genuinely enjoy reading we are practicing tests, with materials that mirror the garbage reading on the tests. Short articles about nothing, excerpts from books kids have not and will never read, non-fiction junk that makes textbooks look like fun. We are teaching them that, 1. They will never score well so they must not be good at it. 2. All reading sucks. Then we wonder why they can't read, why they are so addicted to their screens. Duh! The system is beyond repair and sinking fast. So what do they do about it? In my state the state agency blamed the teachers saying we didn't do our jobs during Covid and then used that as an excuse to take complete control of the curriculum, and literally every process in the class to double down on stupid.
I could turn this school around in months if I had complete control. The first change would be to understand that education is no longer a right but a privilege.