*FYI* Because there are only 3 Tesla (plus 1 Leaf) in the entire 530-unit community, our HOA is not willing to install a public charger (demand is not high enough to turn a profit). Also, some units (like ours) only have 1 deeded parking vs. 2, so either my husband or I would have to fight others for the second parking spot at non-deeded spaces. Since parking spaces are scarce, it does not make sense for HOA to designate an EV spot taking away more parking. That will cause an uproar among residents and risking our cars getting keyed from unhappy people.
Joy, this is great information. I am the president of my HOA and we installed 6 level 2 chargers in 2013 when we had maybe 4 EV's in our 480 unit complex in LA. Now we have over 50 Tesla EV's here and one Volt, so it was a good thing we did. Your HOA really should consider installing chargers there even though they are not obligated, as ICE vehicles get phased out, they will feel the pressure. I am happy to show you where and how we did it at my HOA. We are in Century City across from the old Century City Hospital location. I also happen to have a Model 3, which I only purchased last year, but we have almost paid ourselves back on our initial cost ~$45,000 for the 6 chargers and installation. We use SemaConnect level 2 chargers and they work great. Our parking is pretty scarce too, but we figured out a way, I am sure you could too. Let me know if you want to check it out or if I can help in anyway. Everyone in your HOA will thank you!
Karen Bleifer Hi Karen, thank you so much for sharing this. I wish I lived in your community! 😊 Unfortunately our HOA board are older residents (retired) and they are clueless about EVs. They don’t want to spend the extra $ installing public chargers when they said “You can install it at your spot.” Hopefully as time goes on and more people get EVs in our community (and with younger board members elected), the tides will change.
@@TeslaJoy I feel your pain, your association will have to get with the times sooner than later because it is the future of transportation. I can honestly say that it has increased our property values and makes our HOA much more desirable than others in the area as we were the first in LA to install and make EV charging available. When choosing where to buy or rent, people tend to gravitate toward the more forward thinking associations. Not to mention of course, that Tesla people are a cool and unique group of people that would enhance any community.
While I have home charging, I definitely don’t see that ability as a requirement to have own a Tesla. I had my car for a month before I got home charging installed. Before then I had easy access to a Supercharger and Destination charging areas I could charge as well. With Electrify America push, there is a entire new set of options for charging outside home charging.
> With Electrify America push, there is a entire new set of options for charging outside home charging. James, can you clarify? EA stations typically offer CCS and CHAdeMO fast DC charging . . . unfortunately Model 3 can't use either in North America, yet (Model S and X can use an optional CHAdeMO adapter for ~$600). The expense of an eventual CCS adapter plus the high cost of their charging could pay for a LOT of Supercharging.
I agree that it is not a reqirement to have a charger at home, but I woud argue it is essential to have a convenient charging option for your day to day driving. Having to go somewhere and wait while the car is changing is not convenient. Having an option do at least 90% of your charging while parked, I believe is important. Depending on situation, different options are preferable: at home or at work, fairly slow charging is usually enoug. Shorter time activities, fast AC or even rapid DC can be the prefered option.
I live in apartment. I just asked my landlord if he would let me install one if I paid for it. It cost me $1k and had him install a separate meter so I can keep track of how much I use. I get 46miles / hour.
Hello from London! Thanks for the great video! Hoping to get a model 3 soon, and not having a home charger was concerning me. But knowing it can be done has really put my mind at ease 😊
We have a 2020 bolt and our condo building won't allow us to install chargers due to aged infrastructure. We charge once a week at the fast charger at Walmart and that gets us through the rest of the week.
I'm a new subscriber and future Tesla owner. Love all your contents about Tesla. Regarding not having a charger at home, it's not a problem. If I recall, ICE vehicles owners, they don't have a gas station home either. They still have to go to the gas station to refill. The only difference beside money, is time. Tesla owners just need more time to recharge but save so much more money.
Thank you for subscribing Colin! You totally nailed this! Tesla is always working on ways to reduce supercharging time so in the future supercharging will take the same amount of time as filling up at a gas station. But of course ideally, it would be great that everyone can just charge at home. 😊
Thanks you changed my mind on my plan to get a model Y. I can go on a run while it charges. I do Uber and lyft so I can just go around charging for 5-15 minutes at a time while I wait for the next ride.
This is good reassurance. I will take my time before installing one. Also, whenever I am running low on charge, I can charge at a nearby charging location before coming home.
Hi Joy! Nice video! I just subscribed and thumbs up! May I ask 1) if you see any battery degradation after charging solely on the super chargers and third-party chargers? 2) If you worry that the protruding part of the charger might get damaged by traffic on the street as it is located on the left side of the car? Thank you very much!
3 Teslas out of how many cars? 500? It's hard to imagine how we're going to reverse those numbers, in the next few years. We're about to build a modest new house in the desert. One design parameter is to be able to charge a Model 3 or S day or night, from home, without Edison.
Refuso Againo Obviously you do not live in California because you have zero idea on how many Tesla are on the road at any given time. Please watch my video from last week to get an idea: th-cam.com/video/FCim9tnf9OE/w-d-xo.html
But I don’t drive in Asia or Europe. I ride public transportations when I go there (go watch my videos from Japan, Taiwan, and London that I did this year). I live and drive in the States and this is very high for Americans. Not sure what your point is. 🤷🏻♀️
I recently purchased a model 3 and to my understanding fast charging is not always good for my battery. Can I crank down the charging speed on my car's screen?
@@TeslaJoy I start around 10-11pm which is usually off-peak at Mountain View SC. Doesn't bother me to spend that time for mother earth but that's a personal preference.
Really love what you are doing joy! I’m still a teenager, so there is no chance I’m getting a Tesla anytime soon 😂 but videos like this make me feel like in some strange way I do own one! Keep up the great work! It really helps to inspire people and normalise EVs.
If you are the homeowner it does make sense. You have either choice. If you’re a renter you need permission since a permit is needed for either a NEMA 14-50 or wall charger.
Hi Joy..I just ordered the refresh 2024 Model 3.. live in an older condo building in Florida with not outlets in site..Now I will be driving 20 miles to A Tesla Super charging station to charge BUT, I am retired so I have a time to drive and charge..Thank-you for this video…to know that I am not alone
THANK YOU for making this video and for representing fellow Tesla owners who live/own condos! I just purchased a model Y and have gotten so much negative feedback from people who think that you shouldn’t even consider an EV if you don’t live in a house and have home charging. I just clicked subscribe. 😊
I have a Model 3 and live in a condo (Northern California) and honestly it's not a big deal. I can and occasionally do plug my car in to 110v via a plug in my storage unit, but there is free charging everywhere around me. It's just not an issue at all. Do you freak out that you don't have a gas pump at your house? :)
Right?! That's what I've been telling people when they told me "You shouldn't buy a Tesla or EV if you can't charge at home." I said "You didn't have a gas pump in your garage before when you had ICE, so how did you survive?"
Homes are super expensive these days, even out in an affordable area like Pheonix AZ, you need at least $100k to put down on a house to get a reasonable mortgage payment, then throw in maintenance, and property taxes, and it adds up
Short Answer (from me): Absolutely! I am similar to Joy in the fact that I only charge off of Tesla Superchargers, I don't own a home charger. Going off to College soon so installing a charger at home would be a waste in two months.
@artietrieu4271 not at all! I have a video a few weeks ago that talks about how I’ve been keeping my battery healthy with near 100% supercharging. Look it up on the channel.
I’ve had my P85D with no home charging for almost 1 year. I commute about 100 miles per day round trip. I am however lucky enough to have 2 wall chargers at my work 40A charging each charger.
Jeffery Saeteurn now on the second year and have yet to have an issue. We still have 2 Tesla wall chargers at work with 3 Tesla’s (1 - P100D, 1 - P85D and 1 - model 3) we all share the chargers with no issues. My P85D is usually done charging by lunch on most days.
I live in an appartment with only a 110v plug to charge my Model 3. It's super slow but it's possible. There is a supercharger location about 15 minutes away from where I live when I need it.
You are soooo inspiring!!! You are also a great example of when someone really wants something, never give up, never surrender! Most of us would be too scarced to own an EV without a home Charger. You are paving the way for all the rest of us. Thank You, and Kudos!!
Ha! Thanks! Actually I decided to get a Tesla because of its expansive Supercharging network. You can watch this video here for background info: th-cam.com/video/jtDQhLH80lo/w-d-xo.html
Joy....great video. I noticed you live in CC. I know that building because my family and I lived next door in the other complex. Keep up the good information. Subscribed!
I asked my company to install a NEMA 1450, they agreed to help be Greener, allows me to charge while at my office during the day. You may want to ask if you have a place that could work, they may be happy to help.
Darcy Kline My company is a small office situated in a little strip mall. We do stacked parking with another business in a tiny little parking lot that we share, so it’s not possible for our landlord to install chargers. This is why I’ve been using the one by work as stated in this video.
Completely do-able without a home charger. If you are not driving all that much every day, then likely you don't need to charge aften. Obviously, having one is more convenient.
I live in a flat in London. There is unallocated parking and I had a charger installed (with permission). But I have so much trouble from other residents that when I get my Model 3 I am thinking of not upgrading it but using public charge stations instead. Saving cost of upgrade. Also some of public chargers cost less than home electricity charges.
The cost in the video makes my $10k quote to install in my building's garage look like a good deal. I am even the HOA board president and realistically would not approve spending HOA funds that benefit only a limited number of homeowners. I've been relying on public L2 chargers with minimal issues, but it is becoming more difficult to find availability as EV become more popular in LA. Eventually, I may bite the bullet and pay for my EVSE installation for convenience purposes, if I can find a slightly less expensive electrician.
Sooo "no gas pump at home = no car"??? I don't think I'm above average on intelligence, so when I first checked Google maps to find chargers before deciding to consider a Tesla over a hybrid, I expect that others have done the same. That said, I live in an apartment AND charge at home. Sure, it's no Super Charger, but I charge my car for less than $10 bucks, so you just have options and no more oil changes.
I’m in the same dilemma. Also live in LA and I’ve been wanting a Telsa but I read some many mix infor. Some say supercharging is bad the battery do u think that is true? Pls share ur experience. Have you noticed a difference in the battery? I know your car is pretty new but just want to know what your thoughts are w super charging.
Hi, you will be totally fine. Please check out my playlist labeled “battery” for more info on supercharging. I also have yearly review videos where I share battery health each year. My car is 5 years old already. Hope it helps!
One of the benefits of an EV is the convenience of a full charge every morning before a busy day, and possibly save money by charging off peak, mostly 12 am to 6 am. This may explain why people think charge at own garage is a must.
@@TeslaJoy Understood Joy, I was trying to answer your question, why so many people think one needs to be able to charge at own garage. Life is hectic enough, people want less inconveniences, not more, even if just a little more. Being able to charge overnight at home makes it more convenient than owning an ICE, without that option it is the opposite, less convenient than having an ICE. That is a big deal to many. BTW, I suspect the other Model 3 owner not installing a charger is due to security concern. A $500 charger in common area is an easy target, won't last long.
Thanks for that information I live in expensive California myself and can't afford to put a charging unit in my place as well besides supercharging what other levels can I look for that won't give me that fast charge more of a slow charge any charging station names thanks
Should come to UK then my town has 5 charge posts that 5 single post's and they are all 3&7 kw outlets. EV not an option for me yet as council states not interested in upgrading or instaling new posts
Is it doable? Sure. Is it something most people would wanna deal with? No. Especially in California where there are constant lines at Superchargers, time is money and I don't have time to wait 20 min in line and another 40-50 min to charge multiple times a week.
By your theory, Tesla won’t be able to move forward with their mission, and the Model 3 shouldn’t be adopted by the masses. The point isn’t the waiting time but for EV Charging infrastructure to become mature and robust, and battery technology to advance. Not everyone in the world lives in homes with garages. To assume that you MUST live in that environment before you should buy an EV is highly myopic.
@@TeslaJoy you don't have to live somewhere with a garage. But it's very rare to live somewhere including a place like yours where you can't even install an outlet in your parking spot. Till the infrastructure expands and batteries get better, those in a situation like yours should avoid one till said developments come around. It's just not viable to go through all the work you do just to charge your car.
My living situation isn’t rare. It is very common all around the world. I suggest that you travel around and ask people, and you will find out. I’ve visited Tesla stores in Japan, Taiwan, and London so far, and the majority of people living in those big metropolitan cities cannot install home chargers. Again, you are being myopic with your stance and assume everyone must be like you in order to own an EV which couldn’t be farther from the truth.
Same problem here in Paris, i own a condo for it’s price i can buy a big house elsewhere in France. I don’t have my own parking so charging is challenging but own a M3 and charging is less a problem than i thought. Thanks for this video
I also own a Tesla Model 3 and live in southern California. I have owned my Tesla since February and I have to say, charging has become a unique part of my life. I do have a Tesla charger installed in my home garage but I am a government contractor living out of hotels most of the time. I use the Tesla super chargers as a means of a last resort. They cost much more than other chargers even thought the charging times are much faster, (and the nearest ones are 16 miles away). I have adapted my daily schedule to work around the charging options. For instance, one location had Charge Point on site but I could only charge a maximum of 4 hours (driving 120 miles per day) and while appreciated it was also inconvenient, they had a wait list. If you got on the wait list after 7:30 AM you might not get your turn. Looking for better solutions I found that if you were close enough to a Metro Station with EV connect, you could charge as long as you needed on a first come first serve basis. Remaining range and charging options are certainly a source of stress, but once you figure out your options it becomes a matter of routine. There is a charger near my gym (charge point) and I've found that a good workout can last two hours and provide 88 miles of range. So as they say, where there is a will, there is a way.
Nice! I agree with you that owning a Tesla or EV definitely causes lifestyle and routine change when it comes to charging. The ChargePoint I use by work also has a waitlist. I often have to get on it before I leave the house or else I won’t be able to get in line in time before I leave the office.
Here is the deal, you can charge just like you do with a gas car. You go and charge it once per week. Those of us that have town homes without a charger and it's not a problem.
Ryooken Exactly! Before the city installed those ChargePoint stations, I just went supercharging once a week like I went to a gas station. The only downside with that now is there are a boat load of Tesla in LA and Supercharger wait time is 15-20 minutes before a stall is open for you to pull in and charge. Even just now I came back from a Supercharger during lunch and I waited 10 minutes for a stall to open. It’s bananas. You can check out Supercharger craziness in my video from last week.
@@TeslaJoy This is a good and bad thing for sure. It's only a matter of time before this demand will cause a supply boom in superchargers. Can you imagine what it was like being a first car driver, having to navigate horses on the road then trying to find a gas station? Then think about the car boom around the time when there weren't enough gas stations. All the naysayers will be proven wrong.
if you really needed to Could you not get together with the other Tesla owners and install a charger in one of their parking spaces (near the meters) aNd come to a time share arrangement ?
Have you considered ‘renting’ a covered garage parking space installing with permission to install a charging station, which will increase the value of their unit.
Thank you so much for the video! I’m also in the same situation living in the Los Angeles area. I was interested in getting a Tesla, but not being able to install an EV charger at home deterred my plan. Obviously the ideal situation is to be able to charge at home, but I figured there got to be some Tesla drivers that are not able to do so. After some research, sure enough there are plenty of people who have to rely on chargers outside of their home. There’s a Tesla supercharger about 10 mins from my house, so I decided to get the Model 3 LR. Hopefully it will arrive by end of this month! I’ve watched a bunch more of your videos. Very informative! You’ve gained a new subscriber!
Thank you Norman! I’m so excited for you! I can tell you that with 2.5 years of Tesla ownership, I still don’t have a home charger and I still have no problem charging my Model 3 at all. See you around!
Hi, you shouldn’t charge over 90% for daily use and I charge only to 95% on road trips. You can watch this video th-cam.com/video/Z8ORkk72oJs/w-d-xo.html As for how long it charges, it depends on how fast the charger you’re using is. For V3 supercharger starting at around 20% SOC, it typically takes about 35 min charging to 90%.
Can you not take a electric cable overhead and not dig up the ground. I stay in india and we use overhead wires. Like my car spot is more than 200 feet from my apartment and we just have a long cable connecting the charger with my apartment.
This is so good to know. I just ordered the model y and I was concerned about how I would charge or if it was possible to own a Tesla without a home charger. I own my home but wanted to wait a few months before installing one. You pretty much answered all my questions and concerns. Thank you so much for this video😁
An amazing video again Joy. You are lucky to live in California but if you were living in Quebec Canada with are very cold winter you would need a home charger to heat up you car in the morning when the temperature drop to -20C (-5F) and have enough energy to commute your day. That is why also in Quebec people living in condo do not by EV. But a new law was issued in last March that all new condo built must prevent to have opportunities for installation of Charger or the permit for the construction will not be issued because as you probably know Quebec is a ZEV province
Not sure where you live in Quebec but in Montreal, winter days and evenings can go under -30C (-22F) so not sure how an EV will start up in the morning under these conditions if parked outside and not plugged in. Certain winter days, I've required a battery boost from CAA/AAA to get my gasoline car started I've been considering a Tesla 3 especially since the federal government implemented the $5k discount. Added to the Quebec $8k discount gives a total of $13k discount on a $55k model Tesla 3 standard range plus. However, not being able to charge it at home (I live in an apartment style condo) and the Quebec winters has given me some hesitation. I'm not worried about the reduced range compared to my gas car since going to/from work each day is only 50km (31 miles) total so in a week would be only 250km. A standard range plus model Tesla 3 is around 380km range so I would be able to charge it on the weekend fully or to 90% to repeat the process the following week. There is also a 150km (93 miles) Tesla 3 but I don't really see anyone purchasing this and is just Tesla's way of qualifying for the federal government's $5k rebate discount.
Jim AP I live in Montréal and I have my Tesla M3 Long range since June 2018 so I past the worst last winter we have with my Tesla sleeping outside all the time. And I can tell you that at -30C it start immediately but no regen - battery to cold but the car get warm in about 5 min with seat heater on and heater of the car on also but you reduced the range of the car. So it is better to have the Tesla plugin to warmup before living home. So no problem with winter
One guy I met said the only reason he didn't buy a Tesla was, his landlord would not pay for a charging install in assigned parking. I asked if he was willing to go to his landlord and pay for the whole cost of power and install? He said hell no, I am not paying for an upgrade to their building. He was a typical cheapskate spoiled rich brat who wanted everybody else to pay. (living off Daddy's money?). I found out later out he was a Tesla hater, a bear, who made up stuff to scare Tesla stock down. Beware the bears.
@@Newzchspy Sure, the sky is falling and Tesla is going bankrupt soon. I have heard this for years. So are you going to put your money where you mouth is? Then take every cent of your savings and short it right now. (People that do this near a yearly low vanish from the market. Know why? Its a yo-yo stock).
@@Newzchspy P.S. I have seen this all before. If the institutional investors are fleeing, I say good riddance. They have too much power. Its great that now smaller investors have a chance to get in at a low price, who are willing to ride a wild roller-coaster stock that is not for faint-hearted people like you. Most people can't stomach the ride. I enjoy it, watching pundits like you proven wrong.
I don't live in L.A. but I travel there a lot. I have a plug-in hybrid so I'm always on the lookout for juice (even though gas-only I still get 500 miles range on a full tank). I use EvGO and ChargePoint mostly. I use Volta when they are available since they are scarce/sparse with parking spots/slots. The app will tell you they're open and when you get there the spot is taken. Also, Blink is another one I use, they don't charge super fast but they're usually always available. There are some parking garages that have free charging if you can find them on the PlugShare app. I have found a couple of them on there. It sucks to hear you can't charge at home. My plug-in maxes out at 22 miles EV-only and I charge on a 110v at home, only takes a few hours to charge. It covers my 11 mile round trip commute to work. Obviously with a Tesla I'd need more juice capability but I'll cross that bridge once I make my purchase 😁 also, ChargeHub and EVGateway are some other charging station finding apps
So with the level two charger near work, you just keep an eye on the time and go move your car after two hours? I am lucky enough to have level 2 charging in my garage, however of course it isn't free.....
Great question! These ChargePoint stations actually have a "Wait List" feature. If the spots are taken, you add yourself to the queue either from the app or online account (you can view your position in queue online). When it's your turn, the app will notify you and/or send you a text. You have 5 minutes to respond/accept/snooze/leave wait list, and another 15 minutes grace period to actually drive over and plug in. The chargers have a 2-hour timer and will stop charging automatically when your time is up. The app again will notify you/send you a text when your 2-hour is up. You have a 10-minute grace period to unplug and move your car thereafter. Some cars have overstayed and the city will start imposing overstaying/penalty fees starting next month, much like Tesla Supercharger idling fees.
About conversion from gas station to charging stations. In Norway, there is kind of a transition, along highway routs, they are getting more likely to be called "service stations", because they offer multiple services: refueling for ICE, diner/fastfood, restrooms, convenience store, and increasingly also rapid charging. I believe rapid charging is most important along the main routes. Tose who can have a home charger should, and as there come more EVs, I believe public slow shargers should have a fair payment, to make it available to those who needs it. I believe free charging is a nice idea, but it easily gets crowded by people who don't need to charge, but they just wants to charge for free.
very interesting for me to learn the situation in US cities, and really enjoyable to watch your videos. Here in Germany, town houses are very popular for small families in the suburbs, and the houses in the middle have their garages often seperated in a garage court in common property of all owners. Often those garages have no electricity installed. When you want to electrify your garage, you have to obtain the approval of all owners even if you are willing to pay for your installation and have your own electric meter - and often one or the other owner will not approve for fear of some follow-up costs.
Thank you so much for sharing. It's very interesting to see how other countries are dealing with EV charging challenges in multi-unit housing situation.
I live in Chicago. It’s harder here to have Tesla without a charger in a convenient location installed where you park like work or home (if you live in a place with a garage with a charger) because in the winter the battery isn’t as efficient and you get way less range. Especially those days when it’s minus 0 it’s a nightmare man. Besides that it’s a really great experience owning a Tesla.
You’re right...it’s not cost effective to get a charger installed where you live...that’s just too crazy for that amount. In my area...or rather not in my area there are 2 supercharger stations but they’re miles away from where I live...such a bummer. I could have the cord run from one room on my main level to my garage but that would be a pain in the you now what AND it would take forever to charge. I’ll just wait until I move and then have an electrician wire my garage.
No grass area? Geez! How about the roof, then? (accessing it from top floor) I live on 13 Acres in Texas, I wouldn't be happy there! Just keep hope that a solution will present itself to you.
Nope. Los Angeles is very crowded. Every inch is claimed. If not private property then city property, even grass area. They are zoned and planted intentionally.
Just looking at how far your meter was from your spot, I was like, "that's going to be many thousands, so not worth it lol." I'm actually surprised not more people in your condo community don't have Tesla's since you live in Socal. We were up in Portland this past weekend for a wedding, and I counted a total of 4 Tesla's the entire weekend. Was a bit surprised since Portland is pretty liberal. I'm sure you've seen how many Tesla's are up here in Norcal, seriously like a dime a dozen. I'm glad I see many of them everyday. And yay for free charging! I use Volta too up here since we have a mall that's right across the street from work for free energy (I do also have a NEMA 14-50 at home that I try to not use :P)! I think they just have deals with retail locations since I would think the logic is plug in your car for free for a while, and spend money at our retail shops or restaurants in the area. That's where all the Volta chargers in our area are situated. Great video and I totally believe if you live in the right area, home no charging isn't really a big deal at all.
nukem384 I’ve been talking to people around the complex (as recent as last night). The biggest misconception about owning a Tesla is people thought you *cannot* survive if you didn’t install a charger at home. Hopefully as more people see us driving our Tesla around the community, the myth will be busted and more people will jump on it. But this also means Tesla needs to build more Superchargers quickly. The closest Superchargers to me is often a 15-20 minute wait time in the line before a stall is open for you to charge. It gets very frustrating and people still prefer going to gas station for that reason.
@@TeslaJoy We're still the early adopters. As time goes on, there will definitely be more superchargers and level 2 chargers being built everywhere. My friend has had a Model S since about 2014, and he said even now, it's SO much easier to charge than it was back then. With the rumor talks of Tesla possibly letting other companies use their superchargers, I'm sure they are going to build as many as they can, as fast as they can to make EV charging convenient for everyone.
Hi Joy amazing video. I like all your videos, as those are more practical. This is really very helpful. I live in Boston in an apartment on rent and was looking to buy Tesla Model 3 SR+. However was not sure how would i charge car when i don't have EV chargers in the community. Any other suggestions that you can share from Boston perspective will be helpful.
Here's an idea. Forget the garage. Bypass the reveried parking spaces. Walk around outside the property to where there is a patch of grass. Create a space (that no one is fighting for), place Charging stations there. Get the other EV owners to run with you and replace the board. Not forever, just long enough to vote for the Charging station installations. Hopefully you will find a place where non-residents will see and come pay to charge there as well. As the older Tennant's get older and hopefully move into nursing homes, younger ones that are attracted by the existing Charging Stations will move in.
Unfortunately that won’t work. All spaces outside property are designated curbside parking by city on a very busy blvd because there are commercial buildings across the street along the blvd (like eBay, Magento, etc.). In LA real estate is precious and every inch is claimed. We don’t have space.
Very Interesting. I now have a Tesla, and I would love my HOA to work with me, but there are a bunch of challenges to find the right constructions and cost. Thankfully, there are more and more chargers around, but it would be nice to have the one at home. It would save so much time! It would be good for the HOA to innovate for the future...hopefully HOA's have more future forward thinkers.
Hi Joy, Sorry for your dilemma. I have a 2015 MS 85D (110,000 mi) with free supercharging for life. Yet I charge at home / work 90+% of the time on a 210v plug in. It is just convenient and overnight at home it is fully charged, not worth my time at the supercharger. Florida has cheap electricity, but California is far ahead with EV charging. You also have what I saw as a perfect spot for a solar setup. Not an expert in that area and I don’t know your daily energy requirement but might be an option. There are also rebates available with the electric company or state that reduce the cost in many States. Even better get the other TESLA owners to give up their their undercover primo parking spots and share the cost of solar charging next to you LOL. I read that TESLA had installed some Superchargers that were solar, but have never seen one ?
Hey thanks for the comment. We did look into solar but it’s going to cost $12K upwards which will totally defeat the purpose of having a charger at parking to save on electricity. Also all our spots are deeded so I can get anyone to “give up” their spots legally.
Thx..I have thought about it and figured a similar scenario here in NJ. To super charge every two weeks or so..but eventually, apartments will have to equip each spot with a charge point.
ALso: If Tesla stops running, should you call Tesla Roadside Assistance or AAA? I have had AAA for years, but Don't know if they would even know how to change a tire (can't bring you one because - no spare tire in Tesla), so should we use AAA as a backup or drop it?
Joy, yours is a very common problem in Nor Cal Bay Area as well. In fact, from what I have seen personally, and even on Reddit, a significant percentage of Model 3 buyers either rent, or own a home where installing a L2 charging station isn't worth it. That being said, fast charging long term won't degrade your battery pack as much as people think. However, if I were in your situation, I would try slower L2 charging whenever it was practicable, to maintain battery health.
Thanks for your comment Frank. What’s great about Tesla is their BMS is unmatched in EV industry right now. They are doing everything they can to preserve health of battery during supercharging like pre-heating battery en route to Supercharger and not dumping all high current at once but do a ramp up/peak/ramp down trickle charge to ensure battery isn’t damaged.
*FYI* Because there are only 3 Tesla (plus 1 Leaf) in the entire 530-unit community, our HOA is not willing to install a public charger (demand is not high enough to turn a profit). Also, some units (like ours) only have 1 deeded parking vs. 2, so either my husband or I would have to fight others for the second parking spot at non-deeded spaces. Since parking spaces are scarce, it does not make sense for HOA to designate an EV spot taking away more parking. That will cause an uproar among residents and risking our cars getting keyed from unhappy people.
Joy, this is great information. I am the president of my HOA and we installed 6 level 2 chargers in 2013 when we had maybe 4 EV's in our 480 unit complex in LA. Now we have over 50 Tesla EV's here and one Volt, so it was a good thing we did. Your HOA really should consider installing chargers there even though they are not obligated, as ICE vehicles get phased out, they will feel the pressure. I am happy to show you where and how we did it at my HOA. We are in Century City across from the old Century City Hospital location. I also happen to have a Model 3, which I only purchased last year, but we have almost paid ourselves back on our initial cost ~$45,000 for the 6 chargers and installation. We use SemaConnect level 2 chargers and they work great. Our parking is pretty scarce too, but we figured out a way, I am sure you could too. Let me know if you want to check it out or if I can help in anyway. Everyone in your HOA will thank you!
@@karenbleifer6409 Bravo!!! From France. 😀
Karen Bleifer Hi Karen, thank you so much for sharing this. I wish I lived in your community! 😊 Unfortunately our HOA board are older residents (retired) and they are clueless about EVs. They don’t want to spend the extra $ installing public chargers when they said “You can install it at your spot.” Hopefully as time goes on and more people get EVs in our community (and with younger board members elected), the tides will change.
Old and very stubborned people on my side too.
@@TeslaJoy I feel your pain, your association will have to get with the times sooner than later because it is the future of transportation. I can honestly say that it has increased our property values and makes our HOA much more desirable than others in the area as we were the first in LA to install and make EV charging available. When choosing where to buy or rent, people tend to gravitate toward the more forward thinking associations. Not to mention of course, that Tesla people are a cool and unique group of people that would enhance any community.
I enjoyed hearing her overcoming the obstacle of not having a charger at home. Very intelligent gal.
JoeJ94611 Thank you!
Thank you Mark!
While I have home charging, I definitely don’t see that ability as a requirement to have own a Tesla. I had my car for a month before I got home charging installed.
Before then I had easy access to a Supercharger and Destination charging areas I could charge as well. With Electrify America push, there is a entire new set of options for charging outside home charging.
> With Electrify America push, there is a entire new set of options for charging outside home charging.
James, can you clarify? EA stations typically offer CCS and CHAdeMO fast DC charging . . . unfortunately Model 3 can't use either in North America, yet (Model S and X can use an optional CHAdeMO adapter for ~$600). The expense of an eventual CCS adapter plus the high cost of their charging could pay for a LOT of Supercharging.
I agree that it is not a reqirement to have a charger at home, but I woud argue it is essential to have a convenient charging option for your day to day driving.
Having to go somewhere and wait while the car is changing is not convenient.
Having an option do at least 90% of your charging while parked, I believe is important.
Depending on situation, different options are preferable: at home or at work, fairly slow charging is usually enoug. Shorter time activities, fast AC or even rapid DC can be the prefered option.
I live in apartment. I just asked my landlord if he would let me install one if I paid for it. It cost me $1k and had him install a separate meter so I can keep track of how much I use. I get 46miles / hour.
Ahhhh so glad you can install a charger at your apartment!
What kind of apartment? Do you park right in front of your place? Did you install the wall charger on the building?
Thats smart
@@haywoodstheman Apartment above a retail store. Installed high power wall charger on side of building.
Have you lived in that apartment for a long time and plan on living there a lot longer? Has the $1K been worth it overall?
Hello from London! Thanks for the great video! Hoping to get a model 3 soon, and not having a home charger was concerning me. But knowing it can be done has really put my mind at ease 😊
Hello! London has lamppost chargers on the streets, don’t they? 😊
I'm in a similar situation and this was exactly the information I've been looking for! Thank you! Subscribed! =)
Awesome! Thank you!
We have a 2020 bolt and our condo building won't allow us to install chargers due to aged infrastructure. We charge once a week at the fast charger at Walmart and that gets us through the rest of the week.
I'm a new subscriber and future Tesla owner. Love all your contents about Tesla. Regarding not having a charger at home, it's not a problem. If I recall, ICE vehicles owners, they don't have a gas station home either. They still have to go to the gas station to refill. The only difference beside money, is time. Tesla owners just need more time to recharge but save so much more money.
Thank you for subscribing Colin! You totally nailed this! Tesla is always working on ways to reduce supercharging time so in the future supercharging will take the same amount of time as filling up at a gas station. But of course ideally, it would be great that everyone can just charge at home. 😊
Thanks you changed my mind on my plan to get a model Y. I can go on a run while it charges. I do Uber and lyft so I can just go around charging for 5-15 minutes at a time while I wait for the next ride.
Nice!
This is good reassurance. I will take my time before installing one. Also, whenever I am running low on charge, I can charge at a nearby charging location before coming home.
Thank you for sharing your experience!
Hi Joy! Nice video! I just subscribed and thumbs up! May I ask 1) if you see any battery degradation after charging solely on the super chargers and third-party chargers?
2) If you worry that the protruding part of the charger might get damaged by traffic on the street as it is located on the left side of the car? Thank you very much!
Hey thanks for subscribing! To answer your questions 1) yes but it’s very little so I’m not even worried. 2) not at all! 😊
In L.A., various DWP offices have free fast DC charging
Yup!
Another win, Joy. Preaching to the choir, in the same boat, but still . . . no range anxiety here :-)
John P. Weiksnar 🤜🤛
Living in the suburbs in a house is like death to me. I prefer living in a condo in the city near everything
Everyone is different.
3 Teslas out of how many cars? 500? It's hard to imagine how we're going to reverse those numbers, in the next few years.
We're about to build a modest new house in the desert. One design parameter is to be able to charge a Model 3 or S day or night, from home, without Edison.
Refuso Againo Obviously you do not live in California because you have zero idea on how many Tesla are on the road at any given time. Please watch my video from last week to get an idea: th-cam.com/video/FCim9tnf9OE/w-d-xo.html
So do you need an adapter to use these other chargers?
Yes. The universal J1772 comes with your Tesla.
@@TeslaJoy thank you
if I lived in California I will get a Tesla too instead of paying for that high price gas
APPLE MAN You can still get a Tesla without living in California! 😉
gas is super cheap in california.
Not compared to the rest of USA. It’s on the high side next to Hawaii.
@@TeslaJoy travel to anywhere is world u wont find gas any cheaper. prob on average double.
But I don’t drive in Asia or Europe. I ride public transportations when I go there (go watch my videos from Japan, Taiwan, and London that I did this year). I live and drive in the States and this is very high for Americans. Not sure what your point is. 🤷🏻♀️
Great information!
Thank you!
I recently purchased a model 3 and to my understanding fast charging is not always good for my battery. Can I crank down the charging speed on my car's screen?
Not for supercharging and it’s fine if you do. Just follow the advice I gave in my videos.
Couldn't imagine living there. I hate when I have to go for business.
BigAl60504 I couldn’t imagine living anywhere else because I’m so spoiled by the weather and the beach. There are also lots to do here. Never boring.
I just supercharge at non peak times every week. It's fine...
When do you go supercharging? Just curious. Out here I'd have to go between 11pm--7am in order to not have a line.
@@TeslaJoy I start around 10-11pm which is usually off-peak at Mountain View SC. Doesn't bother me to spend that time for mother earth but that's a personal preference.
I want a model s so bad 😭
Really love what you are doing joy! I’m still a teenager, so there is no chance I’m getting a Tesla anytime soon 😂 but videos like this make me feel like in some strange way I do own one! Keep up the great work! It really helps to inspire people and normalise EVs.
JuvenileSiren 69 haha! Thank you! Hope you can get your own Tesla when you’re older! Cheers.
actually a home owner doesn't "need" to install a charger, have a washer /dryer outlet is all you need for a better charging
Length of the cord?
@@CallMeFil can u rephrase your question in a way i understand?
If you are the homeowner it does make sense. You have either choice. If you’re a renter you need permission since a permit is needed for either a NEMA 14-50 or wall charger.
Hi Joy..I just ordered the refresh 2024 Model 3.. live in an older condo building in Florida with not outlets in site..Now I will be driving 20 miles to A Tesla Super charging station to charge BUT, I am retired so I have a time to drive and charge..Thank-you for this video…to know that I am not alone
Congrats on your new Tesla! You’re gonna love it!
This is the video someone led me to see if you can live without a home charger!!!!!! I needed this so bad!
THANK YOU for making this video and for representing fellow Tesla owners who live/own condos! I just purchased a model Y and have gotten so much negative feedback from people who think that you shouldn’t even consider an EV if you don’t live in a house and have home charging. I just clicked subscribe. 😊
Thank you!!! Keep on busting the myth! 🤜🤛
Sameeeee!
In Europe some gas stations also have charging stations for electric vehicles 🚗 . Nice video I love to watch your videos ♥️
Ricardo Teixeira Thank you!
I have a Model 3 and live in a condo (Northern California) and honestly it's not a big deal. I can and occasionally do plug my car in to 110v via a plug in my storage unit, but there is free charging everywhere around me. It's just not an issue at all. Do you freak out that you don't have a gas pump at your house? :)
Right?! That's what I've been telling people when they told me "You shouldn't buy a Tesla or EV if you can't charge at home." I said "You didn't have a gas pump in your garage before when you had ICE, so how did you survive?"
Homes are super expensive these days, even out in an affordable area like Pheonix AZ, you need at least $100k to put down on a house to get a reasonable mortgage payment, then throw in maintenance, and property taxes, and it adds up
Why do you need 100k down when homes are much cheaper? For a 300k AZ home you only need 60k down
Short Answer (from me): Absolutely! I am similar to Joy in the fact that I only charge off of Tesla Superchargers, I don't own a home charger. Going off to College soon so installing a charger at home would be a waste in two months.
Virus_City Thank you for sharing!
@artietrieu4271 not at all! I have a video a few weeks ago that talks about how I’ve been keeping my battery healthy with near 100% supercharging. Look it up on the channel.
@artietrieu4271 You’re welcome! That’s why I started the channel!
I’ve had my P85D with no home charging for almost 1 year. I commute about 100 miles per day round trip. I am however lucky enough to have 2 wall chargers at my work 40A charging each charger.
Nice!
What do you do when the chargers are being used?
Jeffery Saeteurn now on the second year and have yet to have an issue. We still have 2 Tesla wall chargers at work with 3 Tesla’s (1 - P100D, 1 - P85D and 1 - model 3) we all share the chargers with no issues. My P85D is usually done charging by lunch on most days.
I live in an appartment with only a 110v plug to charge my Model 3. It's super slow but it's possible. There is a supercharger location about 15 minutes away from where I live when I need it.
Thank you for sharing!
montreal quebec !
You are soooo inspiring!!! You are also a great example of when someone really wants something, never give up, never surrender! Most of us would be too scarced to own an EV without a home Charger. You are paving the way for all the rest of us. Thank You, and Kudos!!
Ha! Thanks! Actually I decided to get a Tesla because of its expansive Supercharging network. You can watch this video here for background info: th-cam.com/video/jtDQhLH80lo/w-d-xo.html
Joy....great video. I noticed you live in CC. I know that building because my family and I lived next door in the other complex. Keep up the good information. Subscribed!
Sergio L Hey neighbor!!! Hopefully we will run into each other soon! What color is your Tesla?
I asked my company to install a NEMA 1450, they agreed to help be Greener, allows me to charge while at my office during the day. You may want to ask if you have a place that could work, they may be happy to help.
Darcy Kline My company is a small office situated in a little strip mall. We do stacked parking with another business in a tiny little parking lot that we share, so it’s not possible for our landlord to install chargers. This is why I’ve been using the one by work as stated in this video.
Great video and good information. Next car will be a Tesla. Midlife crisis cybertruck or the 3. 🤷🏾♂️
Completely do-able without a home charger. If you are not driving all that much every day, then likely you don't need to charge aften. Obviously, having one is more convenient.
If you supercharge this thing all the time you will wear your battery out. They’re not meant to be supercharged all the time.
It’s ok to Supercharge 1-2 times a week. No harm to your battery.
I live in a flat in London. There is unallocated parking and I had a charger installed (with permission). But I have so much trouble from other residents that when I get my Model 3 I am thinking of not upgrading it but using public charge stations instead. Saving cost of upgrade. Also some of public chargers cost less than home electricity charges.
Thank you for your feedback. Hopefully as more people switch to EVs this problem will go away. Right now people aren’t educated about Tesla or EV.
The cost in the video makes my $10k quote to install in my building's garage look like a good deal. I am even the HOA board president and realistically would not approve spending HOA funds that benefit only a limited number of homeowners. I've been relying on public L2 chargers with minimal issues, but it is becoming more difficult to find availability as EV become more popular in LA.
Eventually, I may bite the bullet and pay for my EVSE installation for convenience purposes, if I can find a slightly less expensive electrician.
Sooo "no gas pump at home = no car"??? I don't think I'm above average on intelligence, so when I first checked Google maps to find chargers before deciding to consider a Tesla over a hybrid, I expect that others have done the same. That said, I live in an apartment AND charge at home. Sure, it's no Super Charger, but I charge my car for less than $10 bucks, so you just have options and no more oil changes.
Just curious, did you actually watched the whole video?
I’m in the same dilemma. Also live in LA and I’ve been wanting a Telsa but I read some many mix infor. Some say supercharging is bad the battery do u think that is true? Pls share ur experience. Have you noticed a difference in the battery? I know your car is pretty new but just want to know what your thoughts are w super charging.
Hi, you will be totally fine. Please check out my playlist labeled “battery” for more info on supercharging. I also have yearly review videos where I share battery health each year. My car is 5 years old already. Hope it helps!
One of the benefits of an EV is the convenience of a full charge every morning before a busy day, and possibly save money by charging off peak, mostly 12 am to 6 am. This may explain why people think charge at own garage is a must.
James Young But clearly there are places where charging at home is impossible, as I stated in this video.
@@TeslaJoy Understood Joy, I was trying to answer your question, why so many people think one needs to be able to charge at own garage. Life is hectic enough, people want less inconveniences, not more, even if just a little more. Being able to charge overnight at home makes it more convenient than owning an ICE, without that option it is the opposite, less convenient than having an ICE. That is a big deal to many.
BTW, I suspect the other Model 3 owner not installing a charger is due to security concern. A $500 charger in common area is an easy target, won't last long.
Have you heard of Orange chargers? These are made for multi-unit buildings. I’d love my HOA to work with me and install these.
Not sure if they are listed as approved chargers with SCE with all the functions we need.
Great video! I'm glad that people are willing to go to great lengths to drive their Tesla!
Thank you! If there's a will, there's a way!
I don't even have a tesla! I love watching you sis! God keeps gracing you! Love you
Ha! Love you sis!
Thanks for that information I live in expensive California myself and can't afford to put a charging unit in my place as well besides supercharging what other levels can I look for that won't give me that fast charge more of a slow charge any charging station names thanks
Level 2 destination charging.
6:40
Should come to UK then my town has 5 charge posts that 5 single post's and they are all 3&7 kw outlets. EV not an option for me yet as council states not interested in upgrading or instaling new posts
Always great info joy!
Thank you Travis!
You are awesome and I so like your videos - keep it going !!
Thank you so much!
Watching again some random vlogs of yours.
I’m high key scared. Just bought a long range model 3 Tesla and I have no home or work charger..and I commute 500 miles per week
Are there superchargers along the 500miles route?
Is it doable? Sure. Is it something most people would wanna deal with? No. Especially in California where there are constant lines at Superchargers, time is money and I don't have time to wait 20 min in line and another 40-50 min to charge multiple times a week.
By your theory, Tesla won’t be able to move forward with their mission, and the Model 3 shouldn’t be adopted by the masses. The point isn’t the waiting time but for EV Charging infrastructure to become mature and robust, and battery technology to advance. Not everyone in the world lives in homes with garages. To assume that you MUST live in that environment before you should buy an EV is highly myopic.
@@TeslaJoy you don't have to live somewhere with a garage. But it's very rare to live somewhere including a place like yours where you can't even install an outlet in your parking spot. Till the infrastructure expands and batteries get better, those in a situation like yours should avoid one till said developments come around. It's just not viable to go through all the work you do just to charge your car.
My living situation isn’t rare. It is very common all around the world. I suggest that you travel around and ask people, and you will find out. I’ve visited Tesla stores in Japan, Taiwan, and London so far, and the majority of people living in those big metropolitan cities cannot install home chargers. Again, you are being myopic with your stance and assume everyone must be like you in order to own an EV which couldn’t be farther from the truth.
How do you find these charging stations that aren’t super chargers?
I showed them in the video.
Same problem here in Paris, i own a condo for it’s price i can buy a big house elsewhere in France. I don’t have my own parking so charging is challenging but own a M3 and charging is less a problem than i thought. Thanks for this video
Yann Landot Merci Yann!
My dad i think you did Name a few and thanks for the name of the free one
I also own a Tesla Model 3 and live in southern California. I have owned my Tesla since February and I have to say, charging has become a unique part of my life. I do have a Tesla charger installed in my home garage but I am a government contractor living out of hotels most of the time. I use the Tesla super chargers as a means of a last resort. They cost much more than other chargers even thought the charging times are much faster, (and the nearest ones are 16 miles away). I have adapted my daily schedule to work around the charging options. For instance, one location had Charge Point on site but I could only charge a maximum of 4 hours (driving 120 miles per day) and while appreciated it was also inconvenient, they had a wait list. If you got on the wait list after 7:30 AM you might not get your turn. Looking for better solutions I found that if you were close enough to a Metro Station with EV connect, you could charge as long as you needed on a first come first serve basis.
Remaining range and charging options are certainly a source of stress, but once you figure out your options it becomes a matter of routine. There is a charger near my gym (charge point) and I've found that a good workout can last two hours and provide 88 miles of range. So as they say, where there is a will, there is a way.
Nice! I agree with you that owning a Tesla or EV definitely causes lifestyle and routine change when it comes to charging. The ChargePoint I use by work also has a waitlist. I often have to get on it before I leave the house or else I won’t be able to get in line in time before I leave the office.
Here is the deal, you can charge just like you do with a gas car. You go and charge it once per week. Those of us that have town homes without a charger and it's not a problem.
Ryooken Exactly! Before the city installed those ChargePoint stations, I just went supercharging once a week like I went to a gas station. The only downside with that now is there are a boat load of Tesla in LA and Supercharger wait time is 15-20 minutes before a stall is open for you to pull in and charge. Even just now I came back from a Supercharger during lunch and I waited 10 minutes for a stall to open. It’s bananas. You can check out Supercharger craziness in my video from last week.
@@TeslaJoy This is a good and bad thing for sure. It's only a matter of time before this demand will cause a supply boom in superchargers. Can you imagine what it was like being a first car driver, having to navigate horses on the road then trying to find a gas station? Then think about the car boom around the time when there weren't enough gas stations. All the naysayers will be proven wrong.
We cant install them! I want one! Thank you for this vid. Thanks you!
if you really needed to Could you not get together with the other Tesla owners and install a charger in one of their parking spaces (near the meters) aNd come to a time share arrangement ?
Nope. All our parking spots are deeded.
Have you considered ‘renting’ a covered garage parking space installing with permission to install a charging station, which will increase the value of their unit.
There are no spaces left. Everything is deeded to perspective home owners.
Very informative, thanks.
You started talking about it after 3 MINUTES!!!! WHY
What do you mean?
Thank you so much for the video! I’m also in the same situation living in the Los Angeles area. I was interested in getting a Tesla, but not being able to install an EV charger at home deterred my plan. Obviously the ideal situation is to be able to charge at home, but I figured there got to be some Tesla drivers that are not able to do so. After some research, sure enough there are plenty of people who have to rely on chargers outside of their home. There’s a Tesla supercharger about 10 mins from my house, so I decided to get the Model 3 LR. Hopefully it will arrive by end of this month! I’ve watched a bunch more of your videos. Very informative! You’ve gained a new subscriber!
Thank you Norman! I’m so excited for you! I can tell you that with 2.5 years of Tesla ownership, I still don’t have a home charger and I still have no problem charging my Model 3 at all. See you around!
How about building a secured lock box and installing a solar panel and generator to charge at your space?
HOA violation.
Hello Joy, looking at where you park your Model 3, could you not install a solar charger?
Solar charger is even more expensive to install. About $17K.
Anyway to move to an apartment that has a charging station or where you can put one ?
Not sure if you mentioned it.
I own my condo.
I heard that frequent supercharging will effect the battery , pls correct me
Not at all. Please watch this video: th-cam.com/video/0QtLdOgwkrM/w-d-xo.html
can I power my house withs tesla model 3? Use it as a powerwall??
No.
Hi joy. I love your videos. Just have a question. For a full charge lets say i have a 20 % how much it needs a tesla supercharger to get at least 99%
Hi, you shouldn’t charge over 90% for daily use and I charge only to 95% on road trips. You can watch this video th-cam.com/video/Z8ORkk72oJs/w-d-xo.html
As for how long it charges, it depends on how fast the charger you’re using is. For V3 supercharger starting at around 20% SOC, it typically takes about 35 min charging to 90%.
That’s correct.
Can you not take a electric cable overhead and not dig up the ground. I stay in india and we use overhead wires. Like my car spot is more than 200 feet from my apartment and we just have a long cable connecting the charger with my apartment.
Nope. HOA violation.
@@TeslaJoy ok then my process will not be applicable.
This is so good to know. I just ordered the model y and I was concerned about how I would charge or if it was possible to own a Tesla without a home charger. I own my home but wanted to wait a few months before installing one. You pretty much answered all my questions and concerns. Thank you so much for this video😁
Awesome! I’m so glad this video helped. Enjoy your Model Y!
An amazing video again Joy. You are lucky to live in California but if you were living in Quebec Canada with are very cold winter you would need a home charger to heat up you car in the morning when the temperature drop to -20C (-5F) and have enough energy to commute your day. That is why also in Quebec people living in condo do not by EV. But a new law was issued in last March that all new condo built must prevent to have opportunities for installation of Charger or the permit for the construction will not be issued because as you probably know Quebec is a ZEV province
Serge Desnoyers Yes the cold weather definitely reduces battery SOC greatly and you will have to charge more frequently.
Not sure where you live in Quebec but in Montreal, winter days and evenings can go under -30C (-22F) so not sure how an EV will start up in the morning under these conditions if parked outside and not plugged in. Certain winter days, I've required a battery boost from CAA/AAA to get my gasoline car started
I've been considering a Tesla 3 especially since the federal government implemented the $5k discount. Added to the Quebec $8k discount gives a total of $13k discount on a $55k model Tesla 3 standard range plus. However, not being able to charge it at home (I live in an apartment style condo) and the Quebec winters has given me some hesitation. I'm not worried about the reduced range compared to my gas car since going to/from work each day is only 50km (31 miles) total so in a week would be only 250km. A standard range plus model Tesla 3 is around 380km range so I would be able to charge it on the weekend fully or to 90% to repeat the process the following week.
There is also a 150km (93 miles) Tesla 3 but I don't really see anyone purchasing this and is just Tesla's way of qualifying for the federal government's $5k rebate discount.
Jim AP I live in Montréal and I have my Tesla M3 Long range since June 2018 so I past the worst last winter we have with my Tesla sleeping outside all the time. And I can tell you that at -30C it start immediately but no regen - battery to cold but the car get warm in about 5 min with seat heater on and heater of the car on also but you reduced the range of the car. So it is better to have the Tesla plugin to warmup before living home. So no problem with winter
One guy I met said the only reason he didn't buy a Tesla was, his landlord would not pay for a charging install in assigned parking. I asked if he was willing to go to his landlord and pay for the whole cost of power and install? He said hell no, I am not paying for an upgrade to their building. He was a typical cheapskate spoiled rich brat who wanted everybody else to pay. (living off Daddy's money?). I found out later out he was a Tesla hater, a bear, who made up stuff to scare Tesla stock down. Beware the bears.
@@Newzchspy Sure, the sky is falling and Tesla is going bankrupt soon. I have heard this for years. So are you going to put your money where you mouth is? Then take every cent of your savings and short it right now. (People that do this near a yearly low vanish from the market. Know why? Its a yo-yo stock).
@@Newzchspy P.S. I have seen this all before. If the institutional investors are fleeing, I say good riddance. They have too much power. Its great that now smaller investors have a chance to get in at a low price, who are willing to ride a wild roller-coaster stock that is not for faint-hearted people like you. Most people can't stomach the ride. I enjoy it, watching pundits like you proven wrong.
I don't live in L.A. but I travel there a lot. I have a plug-in hybrid so I'm always on the lookout for juice (even though gas-only I still get 500 miles range on a full tank). I use EvGO and ChargePoint mostly. I use Volta when they are available since they are scarce/sparse with parking spots/slots. The app will tell you they're open and when you get there the spot is taken. Also, Blink is another one I use, they don't charge super fast but they're usually always available. There are some parking garages that have free charging if you can find them on the PlugShare app. I have found a couple of them on there. It sucks to hear you can't charge at home. My plug-in maxes out at 22 miles EV-only and I charge on a 110v at home, only takes a few hours to charge. It covers my 11 mile round trip commute to work. Obviously with a Tesla I'd need more juice capability but I'll cross that bridge once I make my purchase 😁 also, ChargeHub and EVGateway are some other charging station finding apps
So with the level two charger near work, you just keep an eye on the time and go move your car after two hours? I am lucky enough to have level 2 charging in my garage, however of course it isn't free.....
Great question! These ChargePoint stations actually have a "Wait List" feature. If the spots are taken, you add yourself to the queue either from the app or online account (you can view your position in queue online). When it's your turn, the app will notify you and/or send you a text. You have 5 minutes to respond/accept/snooze/leave wait list, and another 15 minutes grace period to actually drive over and plug in. The chargers have a 2-hour timer and will stop charging automatically when your time is up. The app again will notify you/send you a text when your 2-hour is up. You have a 10-minute grace period to unplug and move your car thereafter. Some cars have overstayed and the city will start imposing overstaying/penalty fees starting next month, much like Tesla Supercharger idling fees.
About conversion from gas station to charging stations. In Norway, there is kind of a transition, along highway routs, they are getting more likely to be called "service stations", because they offer multiple services: refueling for ICE, diner/fastfood, restrooms, convenience store, and increasingly also rapid charging.
I believe rapid charging is most important along the main routes.
Tose who can have a home charger should, and as there come more EVs, I believe public slow shargers should have a fair payment, to make it available to those who needs it. I believe free charging is a nice idea, but it easily gets crowded by people who don't need to charge, but they just wants to charge for free.
Hey Joy, always love seeing your content!! 🙂
Derrick Jones Thank you Derrick! 😊
@@TeslaJoy You're welcome!
I’ve cried all day on my losing Tesla stocks until I saw your newly uploaded vid, you made my day thank you!
HoneNi Heixiu Haha! Don’t worry about the stock. It goes up and down. I just bought more shares too. 😉
Tesla Joy I probably should buy more too, it takes a lot of faith and determination when it’s falling like this.
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Great video I love in LA too and I totally understand I’m lucky my condo comes with free ev charging 👍🏾
very interesting for me to learn the situation in US cities, and really enjoyable to watch your videos. Here in Germany, town houses are very popular for small families in the suburbs, and the houses in the middle have their garages often seperated in a garage court in common property of all owners. Often those garages have no electricity installed. When you want to electrify your garage, you have to obtain the approval of all owners even if you are willing to pay for your installation and have your own electric meter - and often one or the other owner will not approve for fear of some follow-up costs.
Thank you so much for sharing. It's very interesting to see how other countries are dealing with EV charging challenges in multi-unit housing situation.
I live in Chicago. It’s harder here to have Tesla without a charger in a convenient location installed where you park like work or home (if you live in a place with a garage with a charger) because in the winter the battery isn’t as efficient and you get way less range. Especially those days when it’s minus 0 it’s a nightmare man. Besides that it’s a really great experience owning a Tesla.
You’re right...it’s not cost effective to get a charger installed where you live...that’s just too crazy for that amount. In my area...or rather not in my area there are 2 supercharger stations but they’re miles away from where I live...such a bummer. I could have the cord run from one room on my main level to my garage but that would be a pain in the you now what AND it would take forever to charge. I’ll just wait until I move and then have an electrician wire my garage.
No grass area? Geez! How about the roof, then? (accessing it from top floor)
I live on 13 Acres in Texas, I wouldn't be happy there!
Just keep hope that a solution will present itself to you.
Nope. Los Angeles is very crowded. Every inch is claimed. If not private property then city property, even grass area. They are zoned and planted intentionally.
Just looking at how far your meter was from your spot, I was like, "that's going to be many thousands, so not worth it lol." I'm actually surprised not more people in your condo community don't have Tesla's since you live in Socal. We were up in Portland this past weekend for a wedding, and I counted a total of 4 Tesla's the entire weekend. Was a bit surprised since Portland is pretty liberal. I'm sure you've seen how many Tesla's are up here in Norcal, seriously like a dime a dozen. I'm glad I see many of them everyday. And yay for free charging! I use Volta too up here since we have a mall that's right across the street from work for free energy (I do also have a NEMA 14-50 at home that I try to not use :P)! I think they just have deals with retail locations since I would think the logic is plug in your car for free for a while, and spend money at our retail shops or restaurants in the area. That's where all the Volta chargers in our area are situated. Great video and I totally believe if you live in the right area, home no charging isn't really a big deal at all.
nukem384 I’ve been talking to people around the complex (as recent as last night). The biggest misconception about owning a Tesla is people thought you *cannot* survive if you didn’t install a charger at home. Hopefully as more people see us driving our Tesla around the community, the myth will be busted and more people will jump on it. But this also means Tesla needs to build more Superchargers quickly. The closest Superchargers to me is often a 15-20 minute wait time in the line before a stall is open for you to charge. It gets very frustrating and people still prefer going to gas station for that reason.
@@TeslaJoy We're still the early adopters. As time goes on, there will definitely be more superchargers and level 2 chargers being built everywhere. My friend has had a Model S since about 2014, and he said even now, it's SO much easier to charge than it was back then. With the rumor talks of Tesla possibly letting other companies use their superchargers, I'm sure they are going to build as many as they can, as fast as they can to make EV charging convenient for everyone.
nukem384 Exactly!
Hi Joy amazing video. I like all your videos, as those are more practical. This is really very helpful. I live in Boston in an apartment on rent and was looking to buy Tesla Model 3 SR+. However was not sure how would i charge car when i don't have EV chargers in the community. Any other suggestions that you can share from Boston perspective will be helpful.
Here's an idea. Forget the garage. Bypass the reveried parking spaces. Walk around outside the property to where there is a patch of grass. Create a space (that no one is fighting for), place Charging stations there.
Get the other EV owners to run with you and replace the board. Not forever, just long enough to vote for the Charging station installations. Hopefully you will find a place where non-residents will see and come pay to charge there as well. As the older Tennant's get older and hopefully move into nursing homes, younger ones that are attracted by the existing Charging Stations will move in.
Unfortunately that won’t work. All spaces outside property are designated curbside parking by city on a very busy blvd because there are commercial buildings across the street along the blvd (like eBay, Magento, etc.). In LA real estate is precious and every inch is claimed. We don’t have space.
Very Interesting. I now have a Tesla, and I would love my HOA to work with me, but there are a bunch of challenges to find the right constructions and cost. Thankfully, there are more and more chargers around, but it would be nice to have the one at home. It would save so much time! It would be good for the HOA to innovate for the future...hopefully HOA's have more future forward thinkers.
Newer communities will have chargers installed. My community was built in 1973 so it’s not easy to do this.
Very nice 👍. Thanks for sharing your videos about Tesla experiences with us 🙏.
No charger installed?
Wow! Tesla Joy=Brave Lady🤔
Sam Clonce 😂
Thank you for this video and for keeping it 💯 and sincere. Great video!
Hi Joy,
Sorry for your dilemma. I have a 2015 MS 85D (110,000 mi) with free supercharging for life. Yet I charge at home / work 90+% of the time on a 210v plug in. It is just convenient and overnight at home it is fully charged, not worth my time at the supercharger. Florida has cheap electricity, but California is far ahead with EV charging.
You also have what I saw as a perfect spot for a solar setup. Not an expert in that area and I don’t know your daily energy requirement but might be an option. There are also rebates available with the electric company or state that reduce the cost in many States. Even better get the other TESLA owners to give up their their undercover primo parking spots and share the cost of solar charging next to you LOL. I read that TESLA had installed some Superchargers that were solar, but have never seen one ?
Hey thanks for the comment. We did look into solar but it’s going to cost $12K upwards which will totally defeat the purpose of having a charger at parking to save on electricity. Also all our spots are deeded so I can get anyone to “give up” their spots legally.
Thx..I have thought about it and figured a similar scenario here in NJ. To super charge every two weeks or so..but eventually, apartments will have to equip each spot with a charge point.
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ALso: If Tesla stops running, should you call Tesla Roadside Assistance or AAA? I have had AAA for years, but Don't know if they would even know how to change a tire (can't bring you one because - no spare tire in Tesla), so should we use AAA as a backup or drop it?
Tesla Roadside Service. AAA will have no clue what to do when a Tesla doesn’t run.
Have you looked at Aptera?
No. I love my Tesla. 😄
Joy, yours is a very common problem in Nor Cal Bay Area as well. In fact, from what I have seen personally, and even on Reddit, a significant percentage of Model 3 buyers either rent, or own a home where installing a L2 charging station isn't worth it. That being said, fast charging long term won't degrade your battery pack as much as people think. However, if I were in your situation, I would try slower L2 charging whenever it was practicable, to maintain battery health.
Thanks for your comment Frank. What’s great about Tesla is their BMS is unmatched in EV industry right now. They are doing everything they can to preserve health of battery during supercharging like pre-heating battery en route to Supercharger and not dumping all high current at once but do a ramp up/peak/ramp down trickle charge to ensure battery isn’t damaged.
Thank you for sharing your experience. It was very helpful