People are getting tripped over our use of "Sheoldred dies to Doom Blade". Of course we know Sheoldred is black and doesn't literally die to Doom Blade. Doom Blade isn't even Standard legal. It's just an expression for a creature that does nothing if it's immediately removed.
I think Seth often forget about current formats meta and think about it too much in sense of the set alone. Like you are not going to play those dinosaurs in red deck and in ramp decks you are not taking out Atraxa nor Archangel... I am just not sure which deck is the home for those cards (maybe some Invasion of Alara combo @MTGGoldfish played on twitch) but I love to see Seths excitement over basically any new rare :D
Pretty much. It's a good balance. You need optimism and a willingness to see potential in cards, but temper that with the realism of comparative analysis. It's nice seeing the points where they intersect in opinion. I like how Dracosaur has Richard questioning his own Spike preferences for low mana bases with its sheer value.
This set is much more exciting for me than the original Ixalan block. I love how powerful the set is. Edit: Hard disagree with Richard on Bitter Triumph. That card is going to age like fine wine.
Maybe once go for the throat rotates bitter triumph will see some play, but it being a worse infernal grasp at least half the time is really tough. 3 life is a much steeper cost to pay than people realize.
The power creep pisses me off. Molten Collapse is criminal when compared to Terminate/Dreadbore and even Putrefy, and Echoing Depths is a better Vesuvia.
@@MrNotBot molten collapse will most of the time be worse than terminate and echoing depths is absolutely not a better vesuva, may situationally work out better specifically in legacy depending on the opponent's deck. you should be vigilant about power creep but i don't think printing a slightly better dreadbore (card that is only seeing play in very few pioneer decks and only because rakdos is a top deck) should really be breaking anyone's heart. will it be good? probably, but if no new sets had cards playable in non-standard formats I don't think that would exactly be the cure
It's really rough when WotC wants to have a value-oriented graveyard deck in Standard ("the Urborg Lhurgoyf deck"), but at the same time needs to have very good graveyard hate available b/c of all-in reanimator-style decks at the same time. But who knows, maybe the goyf/descend deck actually gets there in some form or another.
@@samsprague3158 Yes, I think so. It's an example of WotC needing to accomplish lots of (sometimes conflicting) goals with Standard sets. It makes sense that they'd want to add new "exile whole gy" options for Commander for instance.
Important note about Tishana's Tidebinder. If you stifle the evoke trigger in scam, the fury will not die since the evoke death trigger is gone. Would essentially waste their etb damage, the feign death, AND make fury lose their double strike.
So this isn't quite correct with the specifics, but the spirit is correct. When an evoke elemental etbs, it's controller will put both triggers on the stack. So using tidebinder at the first chance you get will be able to counter one of these triggers, but it won't fizzle the other one. So in the example above, tidebinde the evoke and it stays in play which would waste their scam piece and remove double strike, but not prevent the first bit of damage. If the scam player holds priority to cast their scam piece with both triggers on the stack, you can let that resolve and then counter the damage trigger, which would result in them still sacing it, but it would no longer have the scam return to the battlefield ability. So, there's a theoretical way for tishana's tidebinder to counter it all if the scam player let's you...otherwise the best is countering the evoke ability as describe, which will leave them with one damage trigger and a vanilla 3/3 with a wasted scam piece as well.
@@natahliazaring5291 I could see players not knowing to stack and resolve their triggers correctly if they aren't prepared to play around the tidebinder. I could also definitely see people picking up on this and playing around tidebinder if it ends up having any tangible impact on the meta, but it ultimately comes down to how well the scam player pilots their deck. Thank you for the insight!
@@FunnyGorillaHaha yeah, that's why I was saying you weren't completely off the mark of anything, just sorta jamming both these routes together haha! Yeah, as with a lot of cards it punishes misplays/certain lines more, but it does offer some countermeasures even if the opponent is "playing around it correctly."
Its so interesting to see people react to baldurs gate cause i already play dnd so im kind of learning the differences where as others are learning the whole thing.
@@Mulletdog1 I'm definitely guilty of thinking about things like they were interacting on the stack in DND. I can't remember the specific instance(some reaction nonsense) but using "last in, first out" to determine order of events.
23:52 Richard is incorrect. The reason that Sheoldred has been such a force is that Bx decks have had must answer threats at every step of the curve prior to t4. You ended up exhausted of resources before she ever hit the table. It's not like you can just ignore Sleeper agent, underdog and trespasser and just let them beat you down so you can hold removal for Sheoldred.
I'm not sure it will. Raffine's Informant draws a card too, you're not losing card advantage. On top of that on turn 2 and 3 (likely turn 4 too) Informant represents more power than Souls of the Lost.
For Bonehoard Dracosaur, you're not guaranteed to get two tokens. If you exile two of the same type (land or non-land), you only get one of the corresponding token.
Maybe in a midrange deck or as a top end. It does almost feel like a win more. It could be that it forces meta’s to shift removal priorities? Idk, I try to analyze other formate’s to make me a better commander player, I might be missing something
Kutzils flanker is ridiculous in edh and even at 3cmc is a solid turn 3 play or instant speed gy hate, not to mention gets huge most the time from flicker/sac/wraths and comes back with sun titan.
I could imagine Richard just decimating his kids when they come home from school with a picture they have drawn of him😂 'That's not a good picture! I only have 3 fingers, how can I grab things? That's not our house, this only has 2 windows, clearly our house has 4 and the one you drew would be horrible to live in! That's not a tree, it's the same as your clouds except its green with a vertical brown line.' 🥳
Richard please, the cascade Dino is great and you know it! You know how busted Etali is. Well this is a mini Etali. 6 mana is way more castable than 7.
Contrary to what Seth believes, this didn’t start with Sheoldred, it started with Kalitas. He proved during his standard that a 4 drop with no etb could be THE dominate force for an entire meta. Then people slipped into the idea that if a card didn’t do literallly everything the moment it came in, it was destined to die before ever untapping. Every. Single. Time. Like serious? In reality, that’s not gonna happen. Aside from that, just watching this makes me realize why Seth struggles SO much with his card evaluations. He replaces reality with what he hopes cards will be. I mean, SO many cards he pretty much begged Richard to say they were good. lmao
I hate to break it to you Seth, but I’d put my money on merfolk being worse after this set. Molten collapse hitting 1 mana cards makes vial decks much worse, same with hardened scales. So if those decks ARE good, the best deck (scam) has access to a main deckable answer to the cards that make them fast enough to work in modern.
I am a recent Modern Mertolk player who likes to push my decks into a tempo direction, and I think Tishana's Tidebinder is interesting, but not the hero we are looking for. The real problem is the Grief scam, not Fury. Tempo style menfolk already have tools that work reasonably well against Fury, like phantasmal image (copy the fury and kill it with your own etb trigger, ideally at instant speed with Aether Vial, while the scam card is on the stack) or Force of negation (counter the scam card), but the tide binder has all the same problems these cards have against Grief. You can stiffle the first thought sieze, but not stop the scam, and if you try to stop the scam they will just take the Tidebinder out of your hand with the first thought sieze. People will experiment, but I don't have high hopes. If it could stop the scam card, or grief gets banned, then this card is really exciting, but with Grief around its barking up the wrong tree
Echoing Deeps has so many uses. I was thinking of it as a 1 or 2 of in Tron since Crucible of Worlds is just as much a target of Bosejiu as your lands.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Carnosaur sees play in standard. Everyone was sleeping on Atraxa and Etali and they ended up being busted. The Carnosaur doesn't replace them, but can be played alongside them.
27:31 this card is almost like a powered down Etali. A lot of people have been using etali as removal target, in standard, getting an extra spell from a Reanimation target does not seem bad in the slightest.
Get Lost will see some play in 60 card formats. The Ancient One has a positive interaction with dress down, but it may be too cute to find a home. Amalia Benevides Aguirre is probably gonna see play in some coco combo deck, but hard to say how it will stack against the meta with no protection, Dauntless Dismantler is a human sideboard card that can kill amulets, hammers, ballistas, chalices, and even cauldrons, The Millennium Calendar might end up as a twiddlestorm win con since that deck can untap enough times the turn they win anyway. You touched on Echoing Deeps, but you didn't mention that realms uncharted now finds 4 lands to combo in legacy with dark depths, which correct me if im wrong, but couldnt be done before. Also, there may end up being a new modern tron shell if it ends up being able to be taken advantage of. Cards that i'm not sure about: Inti, Seneschal of the Sun-The discard ability draws you a card everytime. This doesn't curve well with ledger shredder necessarily, but is very strong in a low curve deck. It is a sleeper. The Enigma Jewel-The combo cost is too high to be reliable, but the fact that you can exile four karn liberateds and restart the game is a fun thing for against the odds. Tarrian's Journal-Discarding your hand isn't always a downside, and this ramps you in black for doing so. Expect people to experiment with this in dredge. Fabrication Foundry-The floor for this is high enough that I think it can find a home. Just not sure in this meta, but it can turn your treasure or bauble into a lotus bloom. Finally, there are several one drops that are not rare but definitely over budget in the set. Honorable mention to Spyglass Siren, Ruin-Lurker Bat, Twists and Turns, Greedy Freebooter, and Miner's Guidewing
Kutzil's Flanker doesn't even care how your creatures left the battlefield, so it works with blink decks. Heck, Quicksilver Lapidary+Displacer Kitten generates infinite blinks and mana to power out a lethal Flanker.
I've been enjoying artifact reanimator with Abuelo's Awakening. It works perfectly with Threefold Thunderhulk. Or just turn 4 portal to Phyrexia. Folds to all the GY hate though
Souls of the lost is great for me. Im building the Amalia combo deck in pioneer, and having a cheap beatstick available to me after exploring is just good value. I can coco into combo or throw to the wind with souls and regisaur to beatstick
I mean Merfolk is already kinda playable. Tishana's Tidebinder is a pretty good card for the deck. It helps with some matchups like Yawgmoth.. being a 3 drop is pretty rough.. but combined with a lord its a pretty aggressive body. Like in perfect world you like stiffle their fetch with this and on their endstep vial in a lord and go swinging.
I haven't watched anyone playing BG3, but it surprised me that Richard thought it was hard. My friends and I were just talking about how it was too easy and what self imposed rules on resting we were using to make the game harder.
If you want a hard CRPG, play Pathfinder WoTR (or kingmaker, but I think wotr is a better game) on hard/unfair. I've played almost every D&D game ever made and those games are brutal on the higher difficulties.
I really wish I had the money to keep up with the product. But,.... it just keeps coming. I'm currently trying to figure out which cards I want most, and later I'll figure out if they are affordable as singles. I might just be disappointed.... again.
I kinda want a Karlach for my Aurelia deck, but she's a bit pricy. I have to wonder whether her price will go up further, whether she might get a reprint, and whether I should just look for a different card.
I never wait on singles; always preorder low end rares and uncommons before any gameplay can shoot them up and karlach was $5-$10 for a solid year before spiking over $20. Imo of you need a card, I wouldn’t wait a year after release to then get it with it only having 1 printing.
Ooof. Yeah. I remember picking it up for $5. It’s definitely climbing up though I’m not sure we’ll see a reprint for these for awhile. I’d just bite the bullet and get the card I want. I should have picked up a few more when she was cheaper.
Dont think Echoing depths gets into legacy as an additional wasteland unless you're a life from the loam style deck. Delver is now a 3 color deck by default and still runs 4 wastelands, on top of only running about 18 lands in total. Running an additional 4 colorless lands that enter tapped if your're copying wasteland seems like the pinnacle of being greedy,
Very true. Tbf, I feel like he's pretty far removed from constructed formats aside from Commander. While Seth won't be right with every opinion, I would much rather defer to him.
With the success of BG3, it really does kick the actually CLB set in the balls as if it hasn’t already been lambasted enough. It reminds me of how Games workshop killed of Warhammer fantasy because it wasn’t selling anymore and not as popular as 40k, and then not even a year later, Total War Warhammer happened and it became insanely popular and ended up being one of the most popular and beloved warhammer videogame series ever and kinda helped Game workshop come back and try to reboot WHF with “The Old world” so that these newfound fans of the setting could buy the models they took away from their stores all those years ago if they weren’t a thing in age of sigmar. Bad luck. Bad timing. Bad business.
Richard seems incredibly off base about tishana's tidebinder, idk. I'm with saffron olive. Also merfolk was already a legitimate high tier 3 low tier 2 deck. And it doesn't auto lose to fury. Idk, it strikes me that he doesn't really have a good grasp of modern if he doesn't see how strong this is. Also he thought there was a 1 mana stifle effect in modern? There's not, but stifle would be pretty cool in mh3
With peace and love to Richard, I'd love to get an actual pro in here, someone with results, for the spike commentary next time. Richard laughing at every card with his narrow takes makes the video kind of unbearable.
Doesn't kitesail larcenist keep the original type? It doesn't say "and lose all other types"? So it turns creatures into vanilla treasure creatures no?
Am I the only one who sees thousand moon smithy is perfect for azorius soldiers in standard? You play it on 4 it creates a soldier which you tap along with the 4 others you have already to flip it. Turn 5 you play harbin and win the game. You can even hold up the land for reinforcements which will come in at instant speed due to flash and make 3 soldiers one of which is as big as the number of creatures you have. There's a good chance its a 5/5
@MTGGoldfishPodcast not as a 2 of. Many of the decks play wandering emperor which doesn't make a soldier so it feels like a good swap out for that. Or it replaces 2 Knight errant eos as that is a 5 mana convoke spell mostly played turn 4 which draws you a card and makes a large body. This card effectively gives you 2 soldiers whilst taking the same turn off to tap your board. Equally if you do play it on 4 and tap the board to flip it. If the opponent is the ramp deck and they wrath the board your next creature spell is also building back another token off the land.
Yes. "dies to Doomblade" is a common idiom within MTG culture used to express the sentiment that a creature does not effect the game or provide value if immediately removed. The spell need not literally be Doomblade but any instant speed removal spell.
I watched for Spelunking and did not see that card pop up. I’m sad. This set however just seem meh. It’s not completely busted like everyone thinks. It is very much under powered and I doubt that many cards see play from it. Best cards in the set to me are the white removal spell “Get lost” and “Spelunking”. All the other cards just can’t beat sheoldred. Sorry but standard will be completely healthy again once that bitch is gone.
I feel like every time they mention sheoldred they miss the main point. "Keep it stupid simple stupid". I feel like sheoldred is sooo popular because it's brainless and universal. Make any black deck and u don't even have to think about it u just slam her in and don't look back. Versatile is the word. The more specific a card is the less it's going to get played even if it's just as or more powerful as sheoldred. I think people are just lazy.
People are getting tripped over our use of "Sheoldred dies to Doom Blade". Of course we know Sheoldred is black and doesn't literally die to Doom Blade. Doom Blade isn't even Standard legal. It's just an expression for a creature that does nothing if it's immediately removed.
Black creatures have protection from Doom Blade.
@@davesgoldenduck6066BRUH
Seth is the optimistic fan and richard is your local draft spike when it comes to rating new cards lol
Who would you add your 2 cent too 😏
I think Seth often forget about current formats meta and think about it too much in sense of the set alone. Like you are not going to play those dinosaurs in red deck and in ramp decks you are not taking out Atraxa nor Archangel... I am just not sure which deck is the home for those cards (maybe some Invasion of Alara combo @MTGGoldfish played on twitch) but I love to see Seths excitement over basically any new rare :D
Pretty much. It's a good balance. You need optimism and a willingness to see potential in cards, but temper that with the realism of comparative analysis. It's nice seeing the points where they intersect in opinion. I like how Dracosaur has Richard questioning his own Spike preferences for low mana bases with its sheer value.
I would love a video series of Richard playing Modern or Legacy, he talks about constructed a lot but we hardly ever get to see him actually play it!
He said on a past podcast episode that he would surely get too much distracted from the stream to play right, that's why he never did a stream
This set is much more exciting for me than the original Ixalan block. I love how powerful the set is.
Edit: Hard disagree with Richard on Bitter Triumph. That card is going to age like fine wine.
Og was sooooooooo weak 😅 I'm happy they learned this time
Maybe once go for the throat rotates bitter triumph will see some play, but it being a worse infernal grasp at least half the time is really tough. 3 life is a much steeper cost to pay than people realize.
The power creep pisses me off. Molten Collapse is criminal when compared to Terminate/Dreadbore and even Putrefy, and Echoing Depths is a better Vesuvia.
Thousand moons smithy in a uw affinity list with this and bunnicorn
@@MrNotBot molten collapse will most of the time be worse than terminate and echoing depths is absolutely not a better vesuva, may situationally work out better specifically in legacy depending on the opponent's deck. you should be vigilant about power creep but i don't think printing a slightly better dreadbore (card that is only seeing play in very few pioneer decks and only because rakdos is a top deck) should really be breaking anyone's heart. will it be good? probably, but if no new sets had cards playable in non-standard formats I don't think that would exactly be the cure
One thing to note with thousand moo smithy: you can tap both it and the token, counting for 2 already, as well as artifact lands and random tokens.
“Sheoldred dies to doom blade”
Literally any other 2 mana removal spell would have worked seth 😂
Except Terror!
@@trdl23Except Eliminate!
…where Doom Blade specifically wouldn’t, fer any version of Sheoldred.
Odd/misspoken example by Rich & Saff
It's really rough when WotC wants to have a value-oriented graveyard deck in Standard ("the Urborg Lhurgoyf deck"), but at the same time needs to have very good graveyard hate available b/c of all-in reanimator-style decks at the same time. But who knows, maybe the goyf/descend deck actually gets there in some form or another.
So long as farewell is around that deck will never work
Would it all work out if they just had good single target graveyard removal, but very little “exile entire graveyard” effects?
to be fair for them the set was probably still designed with rotation in mind so most good graveyard hate would have rotated in that case
@@samsprague3158 Yes, I think so. It's an example of WotC needing to accomplish lots of (sometimes conflicting) goals with Standard sets. It makes sense that they'd want to add new "exile whole gy" options for Commander for instance.
Important note about Tishana's Tidebinder. If you stifle the evoke trigger in scam, the fury will not die since the evoke death trigger is gone. Would essentially waste their etb damage, the feign death, AND make fury lose their double strike.
So this isn't quite correct with the specifics, but the spirit is correct.
When an evoke elemental etbs, it's controller will put both triggers on the stack. So using tidebinder at the first chance you get will be able to counter one of these triggers, but it won't fizzle the other one. So in the example above, tidebinde the evoke and it stays in play which would waste their scam piece and remove double strike, but not prevent the first bit of damage.
If the scam player holds priority to cast their scam piece with both triggers on the stack, you can let that resolve and then counter the damage trigger, which would result in them still sacing it, but it would no longer have the scam return to the battlefield ability.
So, there's a theoretical way for tishana's tidebinder to counter it all if the scam player let's you...otherwise the best is countering the evoke ability as describe, which will leave them with one damage trigger and a vanilla 3/3 with a wasted scam piece as well.
@@natahliazaring5291 I could see players not knowing to stack and resolve their triggers correctly if they aren't prepared to play around the tidebinder. I could also definitely see people picking up on this and playing around tidebinder if it ends up having any tangible impact on the meta, but it ultimately comes down to how well the scam player pilots their deck. Thank you for the insight!
@@FunnyGorillaHaha yeah, that's why I was saying you weren't completely off the mark of anything, just sorta jamming both these routes together haha! Yeah, as with a lot of cards it punishes misplays/certain lines more, but it does offer some countermeasures even if the opponent is "playing around it correctly."
Its so interesting to see people react to baldurs gate cause i already play dnd so im kind of learning the differences where as others are learning the whole thing.
As a player of both games, it’s interesting how my interpretations of cards/game influences my decision making of both.
@@Mulletdog1 I'm definitely guilty of thinking about things like they were interacting on the stack in DND. I can't remember the specific instance(some reaction nonsense) but using "last in, first out" to determine order of events.
23:52
Richard is incorrect. The reason that Sheoldred has been such a force is that Bx decks have had must answer threats at every step of the curve prior to t4. You ended up exhausted of resources before she ever hit the table. It's not like you can just ignore Sleeper agent, underdog and trespasser and just let them beat you down so you can hold removal for Sheoldred.
Yeah, if every creature you play is a must kill something is going to stick eventually. We saw the same thing with Fable requiring two removal spells
Souls of the Lost seems like a big upgrade to Raffine's Informant in Pioneer Greasefang FYI. A way to pitch and have another finisher.
I'm not sure it will. Raffine's Informant draws a card too, you're not losing card advantage. On top of that on turn 2 and 3 (likely turn 4 too) Informant represents more power than Souls of the Lost.
@@mees8711 if you stitcher's supplier on t1, should be good to go.
For Bonehoard Dracosaur, you're not guaranteed to get two tokens. If you exile two of the same type (land or non-land), you only get one of the corresponding token.
That’s still decent value. You get two cards and at token at your disposal every turn so 2.5 cards?
Maybe in a midrange deck or as a top end. It does almost feel like a win more. It could be that it forces meta’s to shift removal priorities? Idk, I try to analyze other formate’s to make me a better commander player, I might be missing something
The removal on Trumpeting Carnasaur is not cast, so it does get around all of the "on cast" or counter spells in the environment, which is kinda nice.
Kutzils flanker is ridiculous in edh and even at 3cmc is a solid turn 3 play or instant speed gy hate, not to mention gets huge most the time from flicker/sac/wraths and comes back with sun titan.
Nothing against the other guys but Richard and Seth episodes are the best
Title; The most exciting cards!!!
Richard; This is unexciting
39:20 Yes sac your library for basic land, probably not worthing saccing your entire library.
I could imagine Richard just decimating his kids when they come home from school with a picture they have drawn of him😂
'That's not a good picture! I only have 3 fingers, how can I grab things? That's not our house, this only has 2 windows, clearly our house has 4 and the one you drew would be horrible to live in! That's not a tree, it's the same as your clouds except its green with a vertical brown line.' 🥳
Tidebinder is more punisher of a card in standard. You don’t need to put it in a merfolk deck
Richard please, the cascade Dino is great and you know it! You know how busted Etali is. Well this is a mini Etali. 6 mana is way more castable than 7.
Contrary to what Seth believes, this didn’t start with Sheoldred, it started with Kalitas. He proved during his standard that a 4 drop with no etb could be THE dominate force for an entire meta. Then people slipped into the idea that if a card didn’t do literallly everything the moment it came in, it was destined to die before ever untapping. Every. Single. Time. Like serious? In reality, that’s not gonna happen.
Aside from that, just watching this makes me realize why Seth struggles SO much with his card evaluations. He replaces reality with what he hopes cards will be. I mean, SO many cards he pretty much begged Richard to say they were good. lmao
"Sheoldred dies to doomblade". Seth, this is news to me!
I liked some of the self mill, and graveyard matters cards for modern and commander
I hate to break it to you Seth, but I’d put my money on merfolk being worse after this set. Molten collapse hitting 1 mana cards makes vial decks much worse, same with hardened scales. So if those decks ARE good, the best deck (scam) has access to a main deckable answer to the cards that make them fast enough to work in modern.
I am a recent Modern Mertolk player who likes to push my decks into a tempo direction, and I think Tishana's Tidebinder is interesting, but not the hero we are looking for.
The real problem is the Grief scam, not Fury. Tempo style menfolk already have tools that work reasonably well against Fury, like phantasmal image (copy the fury and kill it with your own etb trigger, ideally at instant speed with Aether Vial, while the scam card is on the stack) or Force of negation (counter the scam card), but the tide binder has all the same problems these cards have against Grief.
You can stiffle the first thought sieze, but not stop the scam, and if you try to stop the scam they will just take the Tidebinder out of your hand with the first thought sieze.
People will experiment, but I don't have high hopes. If it could stop the scam card, or grief gets banned, then this card is really exciting, but with Grief around its barking up the wrong tree
Echoing Deeps has so many uses. I was thinking of it as a 1 or 2 of in Tron since Crucible of Worlds is just as much a target of Bosejiu as your lands.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Carnosaur sees play in standard. Everyone was sleeping on Atraxa and Etali and they ended up being busted. The Carnosaur doesn't replace them, but can be played alongside them.
Love dracosaur for standard cause it beats sheoldred in unaltered combat
Thousand Moons Smithy will slot nicely in my Neyali, Suns’ Vanguard deck! Nice
27:31 this card is almost like a powered down Etali. A lot of people have been using etali as removal target, in standard, getting an extra spell from a Reanimation target does not seem bad in the slightest.
Get Lost will see some play in 60 card formats. The Ancient One has a positive interaction with dress down, but it may be too cute to find a home. Amalia Benevides Aguirre is probably gonna see play in some coco combo deck, but hard to say how it will stack against the meta with no protection, Dauntless Dismantler is a human sideboard card that can kill amulets, hammers, ballistas, chalices, and even cauldrons, The Millennium Calendar might end up as a twiddlestorm win con since that deck can untap enough times the turn they win anyway.
You touched on Echoing Deeps, but you didn't mention that realms uncharted now finds 4 lands to combo in legacy with dark depths, which correct me if im wrong, but couldnt be done before. Also, there may end up being a new modern tron shell if it ends up being able to be taken advantage of.
Cards that i'm not sure about:
Inti, Seneschal of the Sun-The discard ability draws you a card everytime. This doesn't curve well with ledger shredder necessarily, but is very strong in a low curve deck. It is a sleeper.
The Enigma Jewel-The combo cost is too high to be reliable, but the fact that you can exile four karn liberateds and restart the game is a fun thing for against the odds.
Tarrian's Journal-Discarding your hand isn't always a downside, and this ramps you in black for doing so. Expect people to experiment with this in dredge.
Fabrication Foundry-The floor for this is high enough that I think it can find a home. Just not sure in this meta, but it can turn your treasure or bauble into a lotus bloom.
Finally, there are several one drops that are not rare but definitely over budget in the set. Honorable mention to Spyglass Siren, Ruin-Lurker Bat, Twists and Turns, Greedy Freebooter, and Miner's Guidewing
Sheoldred does not die to doomblade.
Echoing Deeps seems sweet. Can come in tapped and manafix/utlity or untapped with colourless mana for your curve.
Kutzil's Flanker doesn't even care how your creatures left the battlefield, so it works with blink decks. Heck, Quicksilver Lapidary+Displacer Kitten generates infinite blinks and mana to power out a lethal Flanker.
The power creep set
For what it's worth, Tidebinder also stifles Sheoldred, Bowmasters, Atraxa, Etali, Dracosaur, etc.
I've been enjoying artifact reanimator with Abuelo's Awakening. It works perfectly with Threefold Thunderhulk. Or just turn 4 portal to Phyrexia. Folds to all the GY hate though
Souls of the lost is great for me. Im building the Amalia combo deck in pioneer, and having a cheap beatstick available to me after exploring is just good value. I can coco into combo or throw to the wind with souls and regisaur to beatstick
Bonehoard Dracosaur + The Ninth Doctor (other double upkeeps) will be insane
I mean Merfolk is already kinda playable.
Tishana's Tidebinder is a pretty good card for the deck. It helps with some matchups like Yawgmoth.. being a 3 drop is pretty rough.. but combined with a lord its a pretty aggressive body.
Like in perfect world you like stiffle their fetch with this and on their endstep vial in a lord and go swinging.
I haven't watched anyone playing BG3, but it surprised me that Richard thought it was hard. My friends and I were just talking about how it was too easy and what self imposed rules on resting we were using to make the game harder.
Then again, those were my friends that have been playing tabletop D&D 5e since it came out, so the learning curve was a lot easier lol
If you want a hard CRPG, play Pathfinder WoTR (or kingmaker, but I think wotr is a better game) on hard/unfair. I've played almost every D&D game ever made and those games are brutal on the higher difficulties.
@@thatonedudejake Try UnderRail
Kitesail larcenist removes and can ramp a tiny bit in a pinch. It can turn a map token into a treasure
Turn 4, would you rather play The One Ring or Smothering Tithe?
For carnosaur you can stop your curve at 5 due to the dinosaur birds of paradise that inevitably goes in the deck
Remember what Richard said about Sheoldred?
Kind of weird to not have a Phoenix with set mechanic this set.
Echoing deeps can hit your new cappena sac lands and fetch a basic without having to untap it
Bonehoard dracosaur doesn’t actually draw* cards so it dodges some of sheoldreds life burn so it really matches up well against that specific card
Kutzil flanker just feels like a sadder Charming prince
For Cavern of Souls, don't forget Abzan Toxic decks (Phyrexians)
I really wish I had the money to keep up with the product. But,.... it just keeps coming. I'm currently trying to figure out which cards I want most, and later I'll figure out if they are affordable as singles. I might just be disappointed.... again.
I have been slowly tuning a modern version of legacy lands and Echoing deeps catches my eye Quite a bit
I'm hyped for Dowsing Device and attempting to make Artifacts into a competitive deck in Pioneer
Carnosaur Quintorius Blink Combo is gonna be a tier 1 deck
I kinda want a Karlach for my Aurelia deck, but she's a bit pricy. I have to wonder whether her price will go up further, whether she might get a reprint, and whether I should just look for a different card.
I never wait on singles; always preorder low end rares and uncommons before any gameplay can shoot them up and karlach was $5-$10 for a solid year before spiking over $20. Imo of you need a card, I wouldn’t wait a year after release to then get it with it only having 1 printing.
Ooof. Yeah. I remember picking it up for $5. It’s definitely climbing up though I’m not sure we’ll see a reprint for these for awhile. I’d just bite the bullet and get the card I want. I should have picked up a few more when she was cheaper.
I'm surprised they didn't talk about get lost.
Blue/black flash is almost good enough in historic. Will tishana work in that or will it just make the deck logjamned with three mana cards
Dont think Echoing depths gets into legacy as an additional wasteland unless you're a life from the loam style deck. Delver is now a 3 color deck by default and still runs 4 wastelands, on top of only running about 18 lands in total. Running an additional 4 colorless lands that enter tapped if your're copying wasteland seems like the pinnacle of being greedy,
Love you Seth!
Dragons great it's a mono color Prosper 😂 you get dudes and treasure!
Second Ixalan fellls powerfull and includes very deep mechanics for a modern mtg set. Personalny i fell almost like on moder horzions 2
I want a "closeted merfolk" t shirt now
Thousand moons smithy in a uw affinity list with this and bunnicorn
Trumpeting Carnasaur isn’t a very good rate for the damage- it should be 4.
Molten collapse hitting aether vial and a creature
Dies to doomblade or any removal is a bad argument. That's like saying any creature that doesn't have hex proof is bad
There are exceptions to that but dies to doomblade is crazy
no way he just said sheoldred dies to doom blade
"Dies to Doom Blade" is just a saying that is used for any creature that ETBs and doesn't do anything before dying to any cheap removal spell.
@@orzhov12 ...yes...i know that...but it literally doesn't die to doom blade
@@teaganflinner5712 it's a figure of speech.
@@gxhost i literally just said i know that. please read. and yes before anyone says it, i read the pinned comment.
echoeing deep can copy cavern of souls..... IM NOT GETTING COUNTERED ANYMORE BABY
32:22 it’s more like 4 cause can’t it tap itself? Still probably not enough
Richard doesnt like anything
Very true. Tbf, I feel like he's pretty far removed from constructed formats aside from Commander. While Seth won't be right with every opinion, I would much rather defer to him.
He likes shadowheart
Rightfully so
@biggymiggy6408 Because alot of these cards won't do anything.
Already an old grandpa.
I'm over 140 hours into Baldurs Gate and I still haven't beaten it. That game is so unfair at times.
Am i right that there tidebinder can counter Lotus Field, so the fail case is Tale end two in Pioneer?
Yeah, it is three mana which is a bit steep but it does work with Lotus Field
@22:22 sheoldred literally doesn't die to doom blade
I like how @fishmail is a myth!
I guess they couldn't wake up Crim today
With the success of BG3, it really does kick the actually CLB set in the balls as if it hasn’t already been lambasted enough.
It reminds me of how Games workshop killed of Warhammer fantasy because it wasn’t selling anymore and not as popular as 40k, and then not even a year later, Total War Warhammer happened and it became insanely popular and ended up being one of the most popular and beloved warhammer videogame series ever and kinda helped Game workshop come back and try to reboot WHF with “The Old world” so that these newfound fans of the setting could buy the models they took away from their stores all those years ago if they weren’t a thing in age of sigmar.
Bad luck. Bad timing. Bad business.
Richard seems incredibly off base about tishana's tidebinder, idk. I'm with saffron olive.
Also merfolk was already a legitimate high tier 3 low tier 2 deck. And it doesn't auto lose to fury. Idk, it strikes me that he doesn't really have a good grasp of modern if he doesn't see how strong this is. Also he thought there was a 1 mana stifle effect in modern? There's not, but stifle would be pretty cool in mh3
But Sheoldred doesn't die to Doom Blade 😅
With peace and love to Richard, I'd love to get an actual pro in here, someone with results, for the spike commentary next time. Richard laughing at every card with his narrow takes makes the video kind of unbearable.
Richard: I'm committed to BG3! I'm over 30 hours in!
Me: *Looks at my 140 hour game still in the middle of act III*...
Is self mill Urborg Llurgoph the new Soul Sisters?
Doesn't kitesail larcenist keep the original type? It doesn't say "and lose all other types"? So it turns creatures into vanilla treasure creatures no?
Yeah that’s correct
@@MTGGoldfishPodcast so it sucks no?
i want to flicker tidebinder
Where Get Lost ?
Am I the only one who sees thousand moon smithy is perfect for azorius soldiers in standard? You play it on 4 it creates a soldier which you tap along with the 4 others you have already to flip it. Turn 5 you play harbin and win the game.
You can even hold up the land for reinforcements which will come in at instant speed due to flash and make 3 soldiers one of which is as big as the number of creatures you have. There's a good chance its a 5/5
Is it too expensive though?
@MTGGoldfishPodcast not as a 2 of. Many of the decks play wandering emperor which doesn't make a soldier so it feels like a good swap out for that.
Or it replaces 2 Knight errant eos as that is a 5 mana convoke spell mostly played turn 4 which draws you a card and makes a large body. This card effectively gives you 2 soldiers whilst taking the same turn off to tap your board.
Equally if you do play it on 4 and tap the board to flip it. If the opponent is the ramp deck and they wrath the board your next creature spell is also building back another token off the land.
You guys do love saying Sheoldred dies to doomblade… but Doomblade doesn’t kill black creatures, so Sheoldred factually does NOT die to doomblade
Sheoldred dies to molten collapse
Sheoldred does not die to doom blade
Uhhh Sheoldred doesnt die to doom blade….am I missing something
Yes. "dies to Doomblade" is a common idiom within MTG culture used to express the sentiment that a creature does not effect the game or provide value if immediately removed. The spell need not literally be Doomblade but any instant speed removal spell.
I watched for Spelunking and did not see that card pop up. I’m sad. This set however just seem meh. It’s not completely busted like everyone thinks. It is very much under powered and I doubt that many cards see play from it. Best cards in the set to me are the white removal spell “Get lost” and “Spelunking”. All the other cards just can’t beat sheoldred. Sorry but standard will be completely healthy again once that bitch is gone.
I feel like every time they mention sheoldred they miss the main point. "Keep it stupid simple stupid". I feel like sheoldred is sooo popular because it's brainless and universal. Make any black deck and u don't even have to think about it u just slam her in and don't look back. Versatile is the word. The more specific a card is the less it's going to get played even if it's just as or more powerful as sheoldred. I think people are just lazy.
As a myr player, this set was a disappointment.
You really have to stop saying "dies to doomblade" if it doesn't die to doomblade...
Oh Seth. 🤦🏻♀️ Still love you though 😂
Sheoldred literally doesnt die from doom blade
Richard poopooing trumpeting carnosaur in a meta where etali is good. Smh
Every set is a commander set, most mythics or rares are unplayable in constructed, this set isn't any different unfortunately.