The Best Thermal Paste For Laptops, isn't Paste!!
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- This could be the future for Thermal Interface material on our laptops!
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Here's why I cannot recommend Graphite Pads • IC Graphite Pads! NOT...
No maintenance? Bring it on!
Interested in further information? Look up “De8auer Carbonaut” and you’ll find some interesting details on this product along with Steve from Gamer Nexus 👍
@@SeanPennII it would be cool to keep us updated on the results
@@RobertDiMelo That would be awesome!
Slap it on an forget it thermal solution..oh yeah.
@@SeanPennII we hope so
:D
I'm a huge proponent of using pads and run them in all my machines, except laptops. It sucks you had a poor experience with the IC cooling, but I can see why it's a pain on laptops - cooler surface quality is much looser on laptops than desktops.
I did a comparison of the carbonaut, kryonaut, and IC pad in my desktop... and the carbonaut was significantly behind the other 2. I'd also mention the carbonaut is reusable, but falls apart way easier than the IC pad, lasting only a couple of uses before the pressure split the pad. I get they sponsor a bunch of tech tubers, and may even sponsor you, but to those out there watching this, stick with kryonaut for laptops and pass on the carbonaut. The carbonaut is cheaply made, more expensive and couldn't hold a candle to the IC pad or kryonaut for temps which are paramount in laptops. For desktops, definitely go with the IC pad.
Testing results that I did are here - www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cehwx8/graphite_pad_shootout_on_zen_2/?
Bob is the mechanic we all wish we had for cars, but at least we've got him for our lap tops.
I work on those too for clients. I’ve built several mustangs and use to race before I had kids 10 years ago. Jack of all trades hence the name. Ryan, you’re probably the first to know that.
@@BobOfAllTrades Imagine soaking this cloth in LM solution.. This should hold the LM in the structure of the cloth and prevent spillages, while improving the thermal performance and keeping some of that uniformity. Might not work out but personally I'm curious to try.
The way I have tackled uniformity and spillage issues before when using LM is to be generous with LM and apply normal non-conductive silicone paste over electrical components to create a seal around the die. This has prevented spills, while maintaining good uniformity due to not having to be so careful during applying and removing the excess. Very good video as always and I greatly appreciate learning that you are literally a Jack of all trades.
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Great video and good explanation. Suggest that to elucktronics, so it is available on their website as an option for their laptops.
we have Scotty KIlmer
Thermal paste
Step 1: control+c this link
Step 2: Open system32
Step 3: control+v
thanks I tried it
And Now My CPU temperature is not Crossing 0 degrees .
Any other Fix for my GPU
@@tarunarvind146 lol now Ctrl x system32 & ctrl+v in porn folder
So for those interested in a long term short review I’ve been using this on my Lenovo y7000 with 9300H and 1650.
Please be reminded it’s not a better TIM vs stuff like Kryonaut. It works exactly as was described by Bob. Eliminated my massive core temps
Differences (more than 20c worse case, average 15c coolest
Core 72, hottest core 93c).
Been using this 3 years, and it still
Works perfect, took off cooler to
Clean grilles and fans multiple times, accidentally blew it to the floor, ripped off a tiny corner, and it’s still working perfectly. Core differences average less than 8c, with UV laptop never throttles.
Should I use this carbonaut or conductonaut or ptm7950?
I have ZenBook pro ux6404 and I just got it today, idle temperatures are sky high, 15w idle and 70-80c CPU temp, 3-4p cores throttle at idle...got it today...
I need most powerful cooling solution as I'm allergic to fan noise.
Which one do you recommend?
(I would use PCB silicon to protect CPU if I use LM)
@@PKperformanceEU PTM7950 won't need replacement and it's pretty amazing. I would definitely recommend it.
Damn Johnny Sins also played as tech guy
Hey Bob, my thermal paste is stuck.
Bob Sins : ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
damn this is now stuck in my head. bob fasure looked this guy up
Funny story, after seeing too many comments like this I finally looked this guy up about a year ago. I cracked up about it and even “featured” him in for my Mech G3 review.
Looks like a great solution. No more worrying about bending those heatpipes with repeated removal.
OWNorDisown lol you have a good point 🤛
Or breaking the little plastic teeth on the maintenance hatch
I'm going to be testing this on a desktop cpu enabled laptop in a month or so
@@metaphysicalfuck I just got done doing mine, very good results im pretty damn happy atm. Games usually running 90-95 im happily hovering around the 80-82 mark now. Hit me up in the future if your curious how it holds up!
@@RyGuyRy how is it now? and what games you play?
@@RyGuyRy how is it now
The thermal conductivity of a graphene layer is extremely high along its length rather than from one layer to another. Hence you see almost exact same temperature on all cores. As the heat is dissipated/absorbed to a much greater extent laterally.
This was actually talked about in Linus tech tips' video where they try a thermal pad like this one.
I was wondering about this for my own laptop recently, saw your old video taking about thermal pads and decided against it. This makes me think it's worth a try, so when I replace my thermal paste again I'll do this instead! Thank you for this amazing information, there's nothing else like it on youtube!
Jaedyn Chilton did you do it? How is the performance?
@@ikscdmdegi6954 I didn't end up doing it, sorry. I ultimately didn't need to fix my own fans, so it would be unnecessary to do. Not sure about the performance.
@@jaedynchilton8179 How about now, did you do it?
@@jaedynchilton8179 how about now?
@@ikscdmdegi6954 how about now?
Really cool for a maintenance perspective, and core uniformity as you mention!
I'm curious about performance though between one of the best thermal paste, liquid metal and this sheet. You mention it's about the same, same as liquid metal or paste? How many degrees of difference for each?
As an Aero 15x v8 owner... It took me too long to find this video. I've bought K5-Pro for my VRMs and VRAM, Kryonaut and now Gelid Extreme for my CPU/GPU die... GPU is doing fine between the two pastes but the CPU has been so finicky...
I had the uneven core temperature problem, and so I'd get throttling even when half my cores are fine, as well as high 50s and low 60s at idle. Not good!
I've ordered a carbonaut piece and I hope it helps with the core uniformity now. It's OK if it isn't the best temperature reduction, as long as it lasts and is decent!
Thank you for the video! This is really good stuff! (again, many reviewers aren't able to do long term,, but I don't think anyone had mentioned core uniform temperature at all!! That's a pretty good selling point!)
Damn, first time in your channel, your voice and your gesture makes me feel that you know what you're talking about. Thanks for the info!
wow, that looks really awesome. Please do a full video of putting such a pad on your next laptop. I am very curious on how you get the exact dimensions and then cut the right size for the die.
love your work bob keep up the good work you're gonna go big
The cloth material is good for people you like Bob; you can test out different systems without requiring to clean the thermal paste.
I had a terrible experience with the IC graphite pads on laptops. I also tried it on my liquid-cooled desktop a few weeks ago and it was equally terrible. The temps were sky high compared to liquid metal. Like 20°C higher than liquid metal. Totally appalling and unacceptably horrible. And, that is bare die. The concept is truly brilliant. The outcome was completely tragic. Interesting that you found this product to be better. I am going to have to investigate that. I am able to run my 7980XE at 5.0GHz 24/7 on all 18c/36t using liquid metal, and I ran the 7960x at 5.2GHz 24/7 using liquid metal. If this product will allow me to do the same thing without higher temps, I will be sold. I am extremely skeptical based on the IC graphite pad experience, but having listened to your testimony, and knowing what a trustworthy gentleman you are, I feel compelled to explore it. If it works as well for me as it has for you, I will be tickled.
MrFoxRox De8aeur claimed 3°C worse than Kryonaut
@@BobOfAllTrades Uh-oh. Thanks for mentioning this. In that case, I don't think it will be a good fit for my application, as Kryonaut is totally inadequate. Will have to stick with liquid metal. Seems that's the only thing that is going to work well for the way I overclock everything. (I see about 15°C delta between Kryonaut and Conductonaut under heavy load with a severe overclock. At stock clocks, the delta is only about 3-5°C. The problem is, I literally *never* run my CPUs at stock clock speeds.)
I know this video is a year old but I wanted to say THANK YOU! I own an MSI GE70 2PE (from 2014 for those curious) and after watching this I decided I must give it a try. This absolutely keeps core temps much more even than thermal paste, which helps stop throttling and frame drops due to core temp spikes. Even if your temps are a bit bad at first you can simply adjust the heatsink's contact with ease unlike thermal paste which needs to be reapplied as soon as you lift the thing. I can also confirm that you really can just slap these on without worrying about the heatsink being perfectly placed.
I would like a sequel to this video where you stress test it with laptops without thermal throttling.
Yeah I’d like that too but I have to have a laptop that’s capable of that and I would need permission to do this. Who knows if that’s ever going to happen.
@@BobOfAllTrades hey which one should i get for a hp pavillion 15
I don't think these pads are gonna last for ever, but sure, very sure double or more time than the regular pastes. And basically will keep nice and cool temperatures until it will get too much dust or other type of factor that could make this not "last for ever".
Even though these still a bargain to that very long longevity that these companies claim.
And man your voice sounds like your're doing a documentary of National Geographic.
Btw you can do a small parody documentary about laptops and their natural habitat, it will be very funny and maybe you probably will gain a lot of traction with this type of video.
Mini tomate Thanks! Look up De8aeur Carbonaut and he’ll explain these pads in some great detail. There’s a video with Gemer Nexus about it too. These are meant to last a very long time. Of course, time will tell 👍
Bob thank you for sharing this with us. My omen 15t could definitly use this, especially that it is still on its stock TP as it was working fine for a new laptop and i wasnt brave enough to LM it like my other machines. I might go with this over LM.
As a personal tech support to my gf, I have to take apart her laptop every few months, due to cat hair clogging up the exhausts. I've tried Deepcool Z3 (crap for laptops, too thin and pumps out easily), Noctua NT-H1 (same problem), and now I'm using ID-Cooling TG25 (very viscous just what I need, but it's practically unbuyable and I'm now running out [it came bundled with the SE-224-XT cooler]. I've been on the lookout for very viscous thermal pastes, and Deepcool Z9 which is one has been sadly phased out. A month or two ago, I wondered if Carbonaut could be a good enough substitute. Thanks for the video, it helped a lot with my doubts as Carbonaut is very expensive here but it may just be worth it.
Also on a similar note, I hope manufacturers design laptop heatsinks to be cleanable without having to take the whole thing out and necessitate a repaste.
Get yourself some GC-Extreme.
Have you tried it out yet? If so, what are your thoughts?
Carbonout cools way worse than any thermal material. Its selling point is that "it's going to last", which is does. But it's just horrible to use in a laptop, it doesn't have the performance needed. You need a really strong mounting pressure as well - which you can't do in laptops.
As for the core temp uniformity - carbonout heats up evenly through the whole material, because the heat it absorbs travels insanely fast laterally. In effect - if you heat up just one bit of it, the whole thing's gonna be hot in seconds.
It is effectively heating up a CPU even more, rather than dissipating heat.
I appreciate you doing it the way most of us would this gives me much more confidence!! Haha
Knowing the ORIGINAL OEM thermo-compaund used would make this video perfect.
We have to help this guy to get to a million subscribers... He is a gem !!!
Please do try and test the difference in performance between the pads and regular thermal paste on laptops that don't thermal throttle. Would love to see the results. Keep up the great videos!
If I have the opportunity I would love to do so 👍
"like a savage man" 🤣
Great video thanks, I might use that cloth solution on my Omen. Hate taking laptops apart.
Hey Bob. Just tried carbonaut on my old ivybridge CPU and heatsink was lapped tri point heatsink. 1-4c core differential is better than 8-12c differential is good indeed. But i don't see much changes in temps than my cm maker gel. One difference in the application i made was i cut the carbonaut sheet and made it fit inside the bga die with ¼ space on every side. Had panicked if the sheet would slip, but it didn't.
Pump out effect is a bitch in laptops.
Ive been replacing my laptops thermal paste once every 6 months (at the begining of summer and at the begining of winter) and the laptop runned for 8 years with no issues.
Sold it a few years back.
Thermal pads are not a solution for laptops because they already run a bit too close to their limit in temps, you are far better undervolting the CPU/GPU and using a viscous thermal paste, thou that makes repasting a much harder job.
So yeah, laptos have a hot life.
Hey Bob, still love your videos!! You talked about movability of the TIM. Does LM have the potential to fall out of the dye and touch other components if you carry your laptop sideways (i.e. a backpack)? If so, this pad might be a much better solution. Thanks!
LM applications properly sealed by pros and it’s 100% good 👍
Heck, I have machines out in the wild with LM still going strong.
@@BobOfAllTrades thanks man! Again, love your content and you explain things so well. Really appreciate you
Thanks for this video, i'm definitely going to be picking up some of this for my older laptop, its got an older AMD processor in it that just likes to run really hot.
keep us posted!
I tried that a couple of months ago on my hp omen 15t with an i8 8750h and 1070 mq - prior to that i had liquid metal aplied, but i it turned out that my application of that was pretty terrible lol. I tried those pads and even got a worse result in my case. Reaplied liquid metal and i cant improve it more :) Great vid!
Thanks for this interesting test on gaming laptops that run really hot!
Bob, what thickness of thermal pads should I use on my Aero 15w for the chipsets (6 total)? I also noticed you have some black thermal pads on your RAM and some people cover their SSD's as well...what thickness on those is best? I have 1.5mm but I think it may be too thick.
So Bob those are the thermal pastes available locally here (hydronaut, aeronaut, kryonaut, minus pad 8, MX-4, MX-5, mastergel lineup, cryofuze, NT-H1), which one should I use for dell g5 5587 (i7-8750h+gtx1050ti)? which one wouldn't dry up after a few weeks and at the same time give me the biggest decrease in thermals? bc literally the laptop has been unusable bc of the thermal throttling for a long time now.
Is this still your ultimate recommendation for a thermal solution on laptops?
For longevity, ease of use and portability…yes. Those can be very important to you.
It’s not the absolute top dog for cooling but it’s not the worst either.
@BobOfAllTrades any updates on the performance of this? Looking at this or paste for my RP-15 because it keeps randomly shutting down when gaming and I think its due to high temps.
I wonder if we can get an update.
th-cam.com/video/g7im3Shi3dg/w-d-xo.html
Wow, thanks for the video. My sibling got an alienware and it's cpu is running hot. Will definitely getting this and subscribing.
Bob i need your help.
What is the correct size of the Carbonaut pad that can be user in Razer Blade Pro 17 Late 2019? Would you even recommend it?
I am a bit skeptical about LM.
Interesting, thank you. Bought and subscribed
richard hogben It’s a neat product that I’m at an interesting stage with it right now. I just took all of the graphite pads off of my laptops and I’m storing them (the pads) for the next month or so. Then I’m gonna put them on a different laptop and see how they perform.
Hey bob got another request haha, can you make a video on the application of the carbonaut? Cause its available here in our place but I'm kinda scared that I may apply it in the wrong way... Hope this reaches you.
Honestly, the Carbonaut pads might be the best thing for the Alienware 15 R2 (i7 6700HQ and GTX 980M) I still have (this point probably going to be giving that to my niece before I move on to the 17 R5 I’ve got). Only thing is taking that 15 R2 apart is going to be an adventure that I will most likely need a full day on, as I looked up some teardown videos of it and it does NOT look fun, but I know the paste needs to be replaced on it.
I had 3 cores cool and 3 cores hot. I didn't like that. Now I have all cores HOT uniformely and I'm LOVING it!
LOL. ikr. the Aero he showed just core #2 was throttling with paste, with carbonaut, all of them are now throttling save core #5, and that one's just 2 C away from throttling too.
Might want to watch this then before proceeding with those comments th-cam.com/video/g7im3Shi3dg/w-d-xo.html
Hey Bob, I've got the HP Omen 15 from Microcenter that you reviewed last year, and which you also did a complete TIM replace on (with video). You didn't see much benefit from that. I see an 8 to 12 degree C temperature difference between the top and bottom sides of the 9750h CPU when it's running full-bore and near the 97 degree temp throttle (I got around the power throttle completely). Do you have any idea how many more watts I could push through the CPU before it temp-throttles if I were to use this to even out the temps? Are we talking like 3 more watts?
And no, I'm not intending this machine to be extremely long-lived ;)
Can you try using the thermal paste and the fabric electrically conductive sheet. I’d like to see if that would get the best of both worlds, lower temps and even core temps.
Would you recommend this for Razer Blade 15 or lm? I did used lt on my Alienware 15 r1 and it worked flawlessly but RB is much tinier.
did you try it by any chance? I want to use it on my razer blade too
Same here haha
Bob, first of all, congratulations on the video!
How many do I need to buy to change the thermal paste on my notebook? Only one 3.8 x 3.8 or do I have to buy 2 for the cpu and gpu?
One pad linked before will easily do one laptop, CPU and GPU 👍
@@BobOfAllTrades Thanks!!!
Can you please specified what do you mean by no thermal throttling laptops?
I wonder if it'd be a good thing to apply this in my XPS 15 laptop
Bob thank you for this informative thoughtful video. Bob could you please consider doing a video of Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut on 16 inch MacBook Pro 2019 model please. I know myself and others would benefit from such video. Thanks!
For better performance paste (gamers/big video editors) on some cores 10-17 degrees difference , for easy clean longterm function then carbonaut. For me if paste gives also less fan noise that would be my choice.
Can you explain in another video a bit more thoroughly about that cooler fine tuning you mentioned. How can I figure out if I tightened the screws correctly? What are the benefits?
Definitely not. There’s no way to explain that video well enough to where I would not be bombarded with a bunch of questions that I can’t sit around and babysit. There’s a reason why that video really doesn’t exist anywhere. But if you click the link in the description I do talk about that a little bit more.
@@BobOfAllTrades I understand and completely agree with you. Just watched the video in description and I`ve definitely found most of the answers I was looking for. Thanks!
P.S. loved your copper CPU and GPU heatsinks!
Hamza Tukić I ❤️ copper!
Are 94 degree temps normal under load??? I’m thinking about doing this because my temps around that high, and I thought that was way too high. ...seen other video temps around 70’s
Am I meant to be expecting better thermal performance than stock paste (like Kryonaut etc) with the Carbonaut, or simply better core uniformity? Your Aero 15 benchmarks showed the paste having lower max temps on some cores using thermal paste.
Can you use the nail polish gel to cover the electrical conductive parts just in case?
What good is having even core temps when your CPU is throttling at 95 degrees, am I missing something?
Did you make a video detailing measuring, cutting and installing the Carbonaut?
I wonder if stacking 2 to 4 layers of the Carbonaut would make it more effective since some laptops don’t have the best “seating” with how the screws are.
Very likely NO. The idea is to have the thinnest possible layer while still making contact.
@@BobOfAllTrades I see…I thought I had heard previously ( probably more than a couple years ago ) about some people complaining about the cooler pressure in some laptops that interferes with various TIMs in very inefficient ways…or maybe I’m thinking of liquid metal cause that has to be the thinnest TIM that I’ve heard of cause of its properties and the few but very severe cons to it.
Good video BoB but i remember watching a video that say that these are so soft that they can be easily torn? Or is that only because in that video it was used on a desktop cpu?
What's your opinion on Arctic MX-4 for laptops? Is it decent?
Even if what it brings to the table is not having to replace the plaste, well, for me it's worth it. Did you try putting 2 of them one on top of the other and see what happens with temperature?
Could you post the high temp readings comparing the conductonaut vs. The carbonaut? I know they won't be the same, but I'm curious how much of a difference there really is.
Hi Bob, I have a few questions, would really appreciate if you can answer them all:
1/ Why is core uniformity important? Why does it better for all core to hit 93C rather than only 2-3 core hit 93C and the rest stay at around 75-85
2/ About the screwing in the cooler, I thought you need to screw it tight so that the paste spread to all area of the dye and you need to keep the thermal paste as thin as possible for efficient heat transfer. I understand that you want to balance the heat pipe for core uniformity but why would you want core uniformity over heat transfer and paste spread?
3/ why are you happy that CPU was at 93C. I thought that over 90C is not healthy for CPU?
Core uniformity is important so that you don't have one hot core causing the entire cpu to throttle when there is in fact still thermal headroom available. (also prevents cores from failing at different rates much later in the lifespan of the product).
As far as the screws go, for the pad TIM, it doesnt need to be squished around, so he just put it together however he felt like and got good results. It is fairly important to apply pressure evenly when using paste. Too tight and you break things. I have yet to see a laptop with what i would call a great retention method over the processor dies to evenly spread paste.
93c is pretty typical for mobile processors under synthetic load. He likely has a higher all core clock in the same test (mind you with higher temps overall) than the test where uniformity is poor. You could also expect one of your cores to fail before the others if not operating at similar temperatures (the hotter cores should fail first). Now you don't want your machine running at 93c all the time, but spikes during the initial boost period are normal and to be expected. Many arent comfortable having temps that high, but it is simply a drawback of laptop cooling solutions and can be remedied by undervolting, using a cooling pad, or applying a better thermal interface than stock.
Hope this helps.
If I could hire you to answer questions I would 👌
@@BobOfAllTrades Haha given current times I would definitely be open to it. Love your videos and you are the reason i decided to take on an asus gl703-vm that others had given up hope on (poor thermals, no drivers). Has a 7700hq and full 1060 and it was all mine for $400. Repasted, removed fan baffles, driver installs, and undervolting have turned it into a machine that nearly rivals my king of kings desktop from 2014.
You are THE go to for laptop information as far as I am concerned. Keep up the great work!
BOAT with the knowledge drop on thermal paste why I trust him because he's one of the only guys that actually tests and uses all this stuff he does on his channel.
Oh yeah dude I’ve been doing stuff like this since the 90s 👍
If people only knew me on OCN when I was big over there. Most of these forms I’ll have between five and 10,000 posts so yeah I’ve been all over the place and I’ve done a lot more than my small channel would ever reflect.
@@BobOfAllTrades Quick question..Im gonna do a panel upgrade and wondered what double sided tape to use for the thick bezel can you recommend to secure the bezel after its installed?
neosrt10 Probably the thinnest stuff you can get
@BOAT how often should I replace thermal griz cosmonaut liq metal on CPU&GPU on my Asus strix scar ii (8750h/2070 maxp/32gb) ? Currently repasted right out of the box with thermal griz kryonaut and over two months later I'm noticing the temps starting to raise. Graphite paper is just not for me, I'm in the other 10%er category who like to tinker. Thanks for all you do!
Excellent mate, fantastic communicator. I got your point about the uniformity, but I don't see much gains lowering the stock temperature. Correct me if I'm wrong. Aside from the king of liquid metal, my experience with kryonaut has really take down temperatures from stock allowing to for example overclock further gpu and gain more performance (MSI gt76 7rf).
Will be interesting to see if you can check with one thermo throttle laptop unit, if it really lower enough the temps to gain performance.
In the end I believe the ones that go ahead with repasting is in order to gain better performance and thermals, to get a clear advantage from stock paste.
As commented before, I see the longevity of the material, the easy application, the uniformity on the core temps, but not a real difference between stock and carbonaut IMO.
Cheers mate;).
Yeah don’t think for a second this is going to be better than traditional paste as said pretty early on. But I was impressed with how easy it was to use and how much sense it could potentially make inside laptops 🙏
how does this compare to liquid metal?
OFC if they don't we'll do it ourselves anyway , nothing to say but love ya Bob
Is this in any way a good idea if you leave your laptop on a vertical stand?
Really wish there was more concrete data you provided than just some little-to-no context HWINFO64 photos.
codeHusky I’ll need a ton of laptops and some that don’t throttle. I can’t say I have access to that so this was the best I can do. De8aeur claims 3°C higher than Kryonaut but I’m not comfortable making that claim since I can not verify it myself.
So, would you rather I lie or never make this video?
@@BobOfAllTrades I'd rather just see come concrete load ran on the systems with some context rather than "I ran this for a few days and here's some temperatures I got". It's incredibly vague and doesn't really tell me if it's any better of a solution than just an endurance-focused paste like OEMs use stock.
codeHusky 5 weeks on the Aero 🤷♂️
That’s a heck of a lot better than I thought but perhaps not.
@@BobOfAllTrades The amount of time isn't the issue, it's just the methodology of your testing. The screenshots of hwinfo64 only really tell us that at some point the system was at these temps, and then at some point the system was at these wattages. It would be useful information if the max temperatures were within operating temps (not prochot temps) but since it's peaking it's impossible to tell if the machine is just cooking itself the entire time or not. That's my point.
codeHusky Well the test with the laptops I had wasn’t meant to provide temps comparable to TIM “x” but rather core uniformity along with the understanding that Carbonaut apparently is meant to last a long time which is great for laptops.
Sorry I couldn’t provide thermal evidence which I was clear that I couldn’t provide, the fact that I was able to just toss these on and get great Core uniformity with the assumption of longevity makes this a promising solution for laptops. Hence my whole point of the video.
There’s more than peak temp core uniformity shown too. It’s really gods across idle to load. Again I did the best I could with the solutions that I have access to. I have zero skin in the game here so please keep that on the top of your head.
I'm not an expert by any means, but it seems to me that with the carbonaut you got a much worse resault. Sure it looked much more uniformed 93 degrees all cores, but there were cores with 74 degrees using paste. Isn't it better having cores with much lower temperature than having all over 90 degrees?
I was wondering the same thing
hey bob, do u think carbounat would be a good solution to the mag 15?
Subbed, love your videos, im planning on buying mag15, but not sure if i want max15 lol.... also can you link to a tutorial on how to apply these pastes?
honestly the only way to really go wrong with a paste that isnt electrically conductive is to not use enough. using too much can get sloppy, but doesnt hurt cooling. long as you tight the screws right excess will just squeeze out. something like liquid metal you need to do a lot of prep, especially with a laptop where it moves around a lot
The temperature is stable. But, it is stably maximum. That is the whole problem.
In the case of contact alignment using thermal paste, the temperatures stabilize at a value closer to 70 or 80 degrees, that is, to a smaller one. In the case of thermal padding, they stabilize closer to the maximum. It is not good.
It is also worth noting that in case of thermal grease, those parts of the processor with a minimum gap are practically adjacent to the heat sink, which gives maximum efficiency.
But thermal padding simply does not allow those areas to contact, it completely isolates the processor and heat sink. Therefore, we get a consistently worse result.
In addition, given that in laptops, the contact and the gap between the processor and cooling is far from ideal and much worse than for desktops, this worsens the situation even more.
Which one do you prefer to me to use (after liquid metal) on my Laptop. Predator Helios 300 2020
Have you replaced your thermal paste on your 2020 yet? I have the same and I'm pretty sure mine needs replacing now after only owning it for a month. If so what, what method did you use and what results have you seen?
only 1-2days after repaste my 8750h,i get so high temps on some cores...difference 11c...when i repaste it again i can see the center of cpu is dry,my paste just spill out...now the question is...wil this carbon pad push my temps bellow 90c and it should be stable at the place right?
Forget about temps, what about heat dissipation for the carbnaut ? I read somewhere that using a conductive TP might not decrease temps greatly but the fans will be almost quite due to superior heat dissipation i believe, is it that case for the graphite sheets u used or its only advantage is core uniformity ?
Have you seen this? th-cam.com/video/g7im3Shi3dg/w-d-xo.html
Whats a thermal paste and how does it work? I wonder how comes we don’t know what it is. But saying that I might be ignorant
I don't like how you move but your rich voice kinda pays back for it. I will like it because you were really trying.
Man, you deserve much more subs. Pls give an update on performance!
I have my gaming laptop in my freezer and I run my peripherals out of it from custom cut seals for the freezer door. Works a charm
Definitely make a video of that!
do you have a video where you are applying it?
@Bob Of All Trades. Thank you so much for this! Im just getting back into "gaming" laptops as my last one was around 15years ago. An Alienware before Dell bought them out, I think the model name was m9750? I can remember its numbers still to this very day bc the model number and graphic cards inside had very similar numbers to them, except the first two digits were reversed. So it was like Alienware m"9750" but the Nvidia cards inside were "7950"s, so it just always stuck bc of how similar those numbers were, lmao. I say graphic cards btw bc Alienware was selling it as the first ever "SLI" gaming laptop. It was a badass looking laptop too, i loved that thing, very sci fi looking, had a cd-drive! lol. Anyways (now that memory lane is over) i just recently picked up an Asus Zephryus Gx701 which was reaching anywhere from 90-96 depending on the game and situation. I was about to do my first ever re-paste job but as fate may have it thankfully i ran into this video. Im not gonna lie i was quite skeptical about putting this thin thermal padding on instead of a paste and didnt really expect much results. However being able to just kind of "set and forget" it for the laptops lifetime(meaning the amount of time one expects to use a laptop for) this was just to intriguing to me. Knowing i wouldnt have to re-paste further down the road was a huge pro, and i was willing to give up a few degrees even to go this route. Welp ladies and gents I just got done doing this, and let me tell you i cant thank Mr.Bob here quite enough! I am now seeing temperatures during *gaming* as low as 65 and no higher than 85! Those are my hi/low temps though with most of my time gaming hovering around the 78-80 mark, Amazing. Big gains here folks. I had just enough to cover both GPU, CPU and the 2 vram directly under the gpu with very little to spare. Just be careful and take your time applying it as the pad is very delicate and can tear easily (you'll notice some who couldn't simply do this and cant read directions going as far as not recommending it on amazon. Its really not that hard to apply lol, i dont understand some people). Definitely performed so much better than i was expecting, and all this for $20?! Uh yea this was a win for sure...Thanks Bob!
Does Carbonaut work for Legion 7i? The CPU is thermal throttling so looking to improve it.
Bob, what kind of temps are you getting with Carbonaut on the mag 15? Is it better or worse than mastergel maker?
Benjamin Chen It’s probably about 1 to 3°C worse
@@BobOfAllTrades oh that's worse than I expected. In your experience, does stuff like kryonaut and mastergel tend to get worse over time? I've heard that thermal cycling can dry them out, or cause the paste to squeeze out the sides due to the expansion and contraction.
I completely agree that it would be a fantastic practical solution for manufacturers to implement. However, it will never happen because of two simple words: *“Manufactured Obsolescence”* The tech giants make far too much money from the accurately timed failure of their products and all of the after sales support, repairs, spares etc. This product seems almost too good to be economically viable for them! Shouldn’t be the case of course, but sadly it is.
Dynamic A few manufacturers have improved their TIM from the factory. Gigabyte used a TG compound in their newest Aero and HP has LM on one of their high-end laptops.
It’s trial and error for them. Having to manage this much heat has a few taking some chances and seeing how it pans out over time.
It’s a step in the right direction and some are actually proactive about it.
@@BobOfAllTrades Thanks for your reply. It _'seems'_ like an optimistic approach, but we'll see how truly proactive they are about it once it becomes too efficient to profit from. If CPU's (and other components) last longer as a result of far better and more effective heat dissipation, they will lose a significant portion of their profits. I'm afraid I just don't believe that consumer electronics are "designed to last", far too many examples of that simply not being the case.
Dynamic What’s a fair amount of time for a gaming laptops lifespan? 3, 5, 7 years?
To some, every two years and they run them hard. Others the same but they will change TIM and clean the fans. Then there’s everyone in between.
I’m sure I can get a machine to last many years. Take ten others who don’t care for their hardware and 5 of them break inside of 24 months, three are going strong and two have their fans replaced. One of those due to a dusty environment. It’s hard to know what kills a laptop first, the manufacturer or the user 🤷♂️
@@BobOfAllTrades In my experience, having the TIM dry up has been my leading cause of hardware degradation in mobile products. Temps go up, clocks go down and eventually something (cant say what) happens where out of the box clock speeds become unobtainable. With Dell products ive found that after a certain point it feels like a sensor gets tripped that literally halves the max clockspeed of the cpu (2010 alienware m15x, 2015 alienware M15, 2018 Dell with i5). Have a 2014 msi gp-63 with a 4700hq that works like new still. All have experience the same "trip" and operate at half clockspeed after a couple years time. Replacing TIM does not alleviate the problem and the only solution that worked was throttlestop and it only worked on the 2010 m15x.
I now have an asus gl703-vm that was a refurbished product and we will see how that gets on as the years go by. Dell has some great looking products in their lineup, but my history with them simply does not allow for further investments (not that this is the type of year to throw money away on a slightly faster gaming laptop)
How about also adding a thin layer of paste between the cooler and the pad? The die is flat but the cooler is not, maybe the paste there can make it work even better. Talking about just a really thin layer
You might be surprised to see how many people of asked that question. It’s my understanding it was highly recommended to not do that by the creators of this product.
@@BobOfAllTrades still its interesting to try. At least I'm planning to test it myself if I can't find some more info on the internet. Very interesting video
Hey Bob first, great informative video.
Second I was recently introduced to the fact that LM wears out /down within 6 months, my question is if I get the TIM option from HIDEVOLUTION does the warranty they offer cover the LM or is that another charge?
Love the channel man, keep it up!
Stephen from own or disown posted an interview with Donald from HID evolution themselves and he will confirm with you there hasn’t been one case that he can recall where liquid metal wore out on one of their devices.
@@BobOfAllTrades ok thank you very much!!! I REALLY APPRECIATE IT DUDE! YOU ROCK!!!
LM doesn't wear down or wear out in 6 months. Lol who told you that? It wears down or wears out in like 3 years.
@@MelvinKhosa well i got that info from someone who "said" they had it tested for different machines ....turns out htey were dead ass wrong so i thank you also for the reassurance info you rock dude!
Hi Bob... I'm new to your channel... Was wondering if I could use the carbonaut on my GS75's RTX 2070 Max Q and not just it's I7 8750h... I don't want to do the whole re paste or liquid metal... Any insights?
I have Carbonaut on both parts here so yeah 👍
On the Aero, they used paste over the vram and components too. I cleaned that up, used pads and now Carbonaut on the cpu and gpu. I shouldn’t have to take the cooler off again 🤷♂️
@@BobOfAllTrades This just made life as a novice a whole lot better... Thank you, I'll post a comment with an update on my ventures... Great content by way 👍💯
Tried this pad on my x17 r2 and it worked but only let me draw 80w from the cpu and with 3 hot cores. Bit worked on my old Lenovo X250 just fine. I can see it being fine for a GPU and low power draw stuff and you’ll never have to replace. But think I’ll go and try PTM 7950 as I’ve currently got Liquid Metal and I just don’t feel I can transport it safely anymore.
6:49 What you say here doesn't seem to match the title of your video. AT ALL. Clickbait headline?
Bob, I'm looking to re-paste my laptop and was wandering if you still had the Carbonaut thermal pads in your Aero 15x and if yes, how has it held up?
Watch this th-cam.com/video/g7im3Shi3dg/w-d-xo.html
@@BobOfAllTrades 😁🤣 like the hustle👍🏼 but but funny enough had watch that one already 🙈.
Well that should definitely answer your question about the pads 👌
@@BobOfAllTrades Yeah it did somewhat, I totally forgot that I had watched the video when it was released. When you watch a lot of you tube videos it sometimes seems like it's all mashed together and you can't really pinpoint where you saw a particular thing.
I did search TH-cam with 'thermal paste' being the key word and the older video pop up so my brain assumed that was the video.
I was looking for a long-term use cause as it relates to the thermal pad, but it seams you didn't keep it in your Aero for long.
@@CandleGuyFX Oh it was in there for several months and then I stored it to see how it would handle that and then I used in a few other laptops so it seems that same pad has held up remarkably well especially to physical handling abuse. It’s certainly not going to degrade.
now what is best paste for cpu laptop?
It really seems to have an amazing uniformity for the area of the contact, but yet we can't expect better overall temperatures (or performance if bottlenecked by temperature) than like liquid metal, right? Will you cover more on this matter?
At least it seems better than the stock looking at the minimum temperatures on 5:46 comparison.
Maybe someday I can cover that once I have a laptop that doesn’t thermal throttle and I have permission to take it apart.
My favorite TIM is ocz freeze, bought a dozen tubed when it was new about to be discontinued.
I have a Blade 15 thats starting to thermal throttle a bit so I think its high time I replace the thermal stuff, Im curious about experimenting with this but I have literally never tried anything before, let alone taking the heat sink off, so I may give it a shot!
Makes me wonder what would happen if you were to use multiple layers of the fabric or a layer of fabric with thermal paste on top.
Worse performance, you don't have to wonder.
Quite a lot of people on amazon complain about the pad breaking very easily and being difficult to install. What are your thoughts on that?
Well you saw how I was cutting the pad 👌
I’m sure it is fragile but I was also delicate with it as I think anyone with common sense should be too once you see these for yourself 👍
I saw a video where a guy used liquid metal and it was eating his CPU cover and the cooler and basically just permanently ruined his thermal solutions. It's not worth it to me unless the manufacturer offers it. I'd hate to be that guy who ruins a $1,000+ laptop instead of just choosing a paste.
You mention "dialing it in" when putting the laptop screws back in. What do you mean? I've watched a few different videos about changing thermal paste since my laptop is running hot, but none of them mentioned this. They just say 'don't over tighten the screws.'
I have a video linked in the description that does talk about it a little bit more
I'll give it a watch. Thank you.