The Best Thermal Paste For Laptops, isn't Paste!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ม.ค. 2025
- This could be the future for Thermal Interface material on our laptops!
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Here's why I cannot recommend Graphite Pads • IC Graphite Pads! NOT...
No maintenance? Bring it on!
Interested in further information? Look up “De8auer Carbonaut” and you’ll find some interesting details on this product along with Steve from Gamer Nexus 👍
@@SeanPennII it would be cool to keep us updated on the results
@@RobertDiMelo That would be awesome!
Slap it on an forget it thermal solution..oh yeah.
@@SeanPennII we hope so
:D
I'm a huge proponent of using pads and run them in all my machines, except laptops. It sucks you had a poor experience with the IC cooling, but I can see why it's a pain on laptops - cooler surface quality is much looser on laptops than desktops.
I did a comparison of the carbonaut, kryonaut, and IC pad in my desktop... and the carbonaut was significantly behind the other 2. I'd also mention the carbonaut is reusable, but falls apart way easier than the IC pad, lasting only a couple of uses before the pressure split the pad. I get they sponsor a bunch of tech tubers, and may even sponsor you, but to those out there watching this, stick with kryonaut for laptops and pass on the carbonaut. The carbonaut is cheaply made, more expensive and couldn't hold a candle to the IC pad or kryonaut for temps which are paramount in laptops. For desktops, definitely go with the IC pad.
Testing results that I did are here - www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cehwx8/graphite_pad_shootout_on_zen_2/?
Bob is the mechanic we all wish we had for cars, but at least we've got him for our lap tops.
I work on those too for clients. I’ve built several mustangs and use to race before I had kids 10 years ago. Jack of all trades hence the name. Ryan, you’re probably the first to know that.
@@BobOfAllTrades Imagine soaking this cloth in LM solution.. This should hold the LM in the structure of the cloth and prevent spillages, while improving the thermal performance and keeping some of that uniformity. Might not work out but personally I'm curious to try.
The way I have tackled uniformity and spillage issues before when using LM is to be generous with LM and apply normal non-conductive silicone paste over electrical components to create a seal around the die. This has prevented spills, while maintaining good uniformity due to not having to be so careful during applying and removing the excess. Very good video as always and I greatly appreciate learning that you are literally a Jack of all trades.
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Great video and good explanation. Suggest that to elucktronics, so it is available on their website as an option for their laptops.
we have Scotty KIlmer
Thermal paste
Step 1: control+c this link
Step 2: Open system32
Step 3: control+v
thanks I tried it
And Now My CPU temperature is not Crossing 0 degrees .
Any other Fix for my GPU
@@tarunarvind146 lol now Ctrl x system32 & ctrl+v in porn folder
Damn Johnny Sins also played as tech guy
Hey Bob, my thermal paste is stuck.
Bob Sins : ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
damn this is now stuck in my head. bob fasure looked this guy up
Funny story, after seeing too many comments like this I finally looked this guy up about a year ago. I cracked up about it and even “featured” him in for my Mech G3 review.
So for those interested in a long term short review I’ve been using this on my Lenovo y7000 with 9300H and 1650.
Please be reminded it’s not a better TIM vs stuff like Kryonaut. It works exactly as was described by Bob. Eliminated my massive core temps
Differences (more than 20c worse case, average 15c coolest
Core 72, hottest core 93c).
Been using this 3 years, and it still
Works perfect, took off cooler to
Clean grilles and fans multiple times, accidentally blew it to the floor, ripped off a tiny corner, and it’s still working perfectly. Core differences average less than 8c, with UV laptop never throttles.
Should I use this carbonaut or conductonaut or ptm7950?
I have ZenBook pro ux6404 and I just got it today, idle temperatures are sky high, 15w idle and 70-80c CPU temp, 3-4p cores throttle at idle...got it today...
I need most powerful cooling solution as I'm allergic to fan noise.
Which one do you recommend?
(I would use PCB silicon to protect CPU if I use LM)
@@PKperformanceEU PTM7950 won't need replacement and it's pretty amazing. I would definitely recommend it.
Looks like a great solution. No more worrying about bending those heatpipes with repeated removal.
OWNorDisown lol you have a good point 🤛
Or breaking the little plastic teeth on the maintenance hatch
I'm going to be testing this on a desktop cpu enabled laptop in a month or so
@@metaphysicalfuck I just got done doing mine, very good results im pretty damn happy atm. Games usually running 90-95 im happily hovering around the 80-82 mark now. Hit me up in the future if your curious how it holds up!
@@RyGuyRy how is it now? and what games you play?
@@RyGuyRy how is it now
The thermal conductivity of a graphene layer is extremely high along its length rather than from one layer to another. Hence you see almost exact same temperature on all cores. As the heat is dissipated/absorbed to a much greater extent laterally.
This was actually talked about in Linus tech tips' video where they try a thermal pad like this one.
Really cool for a maintenance perspective, and core uniformity as you mention!
I'm curious about performance though between one of the best thermal paste, liquid metal and this sheet. You mention it's about the same, same as liquid metal or paste? How many degrees of difference for each?
I was wondering about this for my own laptop recently, saw your old video taking about thermal pads and decided against it. This makes me think it's worth a try, so when I replace my thermal paste again I'll do this instead! Thank you for this amazing information, there's nothing else like it on youtube!
Jaedyn Chilton did you do it? How is the performance?
@@ikscdmdegi6954 I didn't end up doing it, sorry. I ultimately didn't need to fix my own fans, so it would be unnecessary to do. Not sure about the performance.
@@jaedynchilton8179 How about now, did you do it?
@@jaedynchilton8179 how about now?
@@ikscdmdegi6954 how about now?
The cloth material is good for people you like Bob; you can test out different systems without requiring to clean the thermal paste.
As an Aero 15x v8 owner... It took me too long to find this video. I've bought K5-Pro for my VRMs and VRAM, Kryonaut and now Gelid Extreme for my CPU/GPU die... GPU is doing fine between the two pastes but the CPU has been so finicky...
I had the uneven core temperature problem, and so I'd get throttling even when half my cores are fine, as well as high 50s and low 60s at idle. Not good!
I've ordered a carbonaut piece and I hope it helps with the core uniformity now. It's OK if it isn't the best temperature reduction, as long as it lasts and is decent!
Thank you for the video! This is really good stuff! (again, many reviewers aren't able to do long term,, but I don't think anyone had mentioned core uniform temperature at all!! That's a pretty good selling point!)
I had a terrible experience with the IC graphite pads on laptops. I also tried it on my liquid-cooled desktop a few weeks ago and it was equally terrible. The temps were sky high compared to liquid metal. Like 20°C higher than liquid metal. Totally appalling and unacceptably horrible. And, that is bare die. The concept is truly brilliant. The outcome was completely tragic. Interesting that you found this product to be better. I am going to have to investigate that. I am able to run my 7980XE at 5.0GHz 24/7 on all 18c/36t using liquid metal, and I ran the 7960x at 5.2GHz 24/7 using liquid metal. If this product will allow me to do the same thing without higher temps, I will be sold. I am extremely skeptical based on the IC graphite pad experience, but having listened to your testimony, and knowing what a trustworthy gentleman you are, I feel compelled to explore it. If it works as well for me as it has for you, I will be tickled.
MrFoxRox De8aeur claimed 3°C worse than Kryonaut
@@BobOfAllTrades Uh-oh. Thanks for mentioning this. In that case, I don't think it will be a good fit for my application, as Kryonaut is totally inadequate. Will have to stick with liquid metal. Seems that's the only thing that is going to work well for the way I overclock everything. (I see about 15°C delta between Kryonaut and Conductonaut under heavy load with a severe overclock. At stock clocks, the delta is only about 3-5°C. The problem is, I literally *never* run my CPUs at stock clock speeds.)
wow, that looks really awesome. Please do a full video of putting such a pad on your next laptop. I am very curious on how you get the exact dimensions and then cut the right size for the die.
Carbonout cools way worse than any thermal material. Its selling point is that "it's going to last", which is does. But it's just horrible to use in a laptop, it doesn't have the performance needed. You need a really strong mounting pressure as well - which you can't do in laptops.
As for the core temp uniformity - carbonout heats up evenly through the whole material, because the heat it absorbs travels insanely fast laterally. In effect - if you heat up just one bit of it, the whole thing's gonna be hot in seconds.
It is effectively heating up a CPU even more, rather than dissipating heat.
As a personal tech support to my gf, I have to take apart her laptop every few months, due to cat hair clogging up the exhausts. I've tried Deepcool Z3 (crap for laptops, too thin and pumps out easily), Noctua NT-H1 (same problem), and now I'm using ID-Cooling TG25 (very viscous just what I need, but it's practically unbuyable and I'm now running out [it came bundled with the SE-224-XT cooler]. I've been on the lookout for very viscous thermal pastes, and Deepcool Z9 which is one has been sadly phased out. A month or two ago, I wondered if Carbonaut could be a good enough substitute. Thanks for the video, it helped a lot with my doubts as Carbonaut is very expensive here but it may just be worth it.
Also on a similar note, I hope manufacturers design laptop heatsinks to be cleanable without having to take the whole thing out and necessitate a repaste.
Get yourself some GC-Extreme.
Have you tried it out yet? If so, what are your thoughts?
Is this still your ultimate recommendation for a thermal solution on laptops?
For longevity, ease of use and portability…yes. Those can be very important to you.
It’s not the absolute top dog for cooling but it’s not the worst either.
love your work bob keep up the good work you're gonna go big
Really wish there was more concrete data you provided than just some little-to-no context HWINFO64 photos.
codeHusky I’ll need a ton of laptops and some that don’t throttle. I can’t say I have access to that so this was the best I can do. De8aeur claims 3°C higher than Kryonaut but I’m not comfortable making that claim since I can not verify it myself.
So, would you rather I lie or never make this video?
@@BobOfAllTrades I'd rather just see come concrete load ran on the systems with some context rather than "I ran this for a few days and here's some temperatures I got". It's incredibly vague and doesn't really tell me if it's any better of a solution than just an endurance-focused paste like OEMs use stock.
codeHusky 5 weeks on the Aero 🤷♂️
That’s a heck of a lot better than I thought but perhaps not.
@@BobOfAllTrades The amount of time isn't the issue, it's just the methodology of your testing. The screenshots of hwinfo64 only really tell us that at some point the system was at these temps, and then at some point the system was at these wattages. It would be useful information if the max temperatures were within operating temps (not prochot temps) but since it's peaking it's impossible to tell if the machine is just cooking itself the entire time or not. That's my point.
codeHusky Well the test with the laptops I had wasn’t meant to provide temps comparable to TIM “x” but rather core uniformity along with the understanding that Carbonaut apparently is meant to last a long time which is great for laptops.
Sorry I couldn’t provide thermal evidence which I was clear that I couldn’t provide, the fact that I was able to just toss these on and get great Core uniformity with the assumption of longevity makes this a promising solution for laptops. Hence my whole point of the video.
There’s more than peak temp core uniformity shown too. It’s really gods across idle to load. Again I did the best I could with the solutions that I have access to. I have zero skin in the game here so please keep that on the top of your head.
I would like a sequel to this video where you stress test it with laptops without thermal throttling.
Yeah I’d like that too but I have to have a laptop that’s capable of that and I would need permission to do this. Who knows if that’s ever going to happen.
@@BobOfAllTrades hey which one should i get for a hp pavillion 15
I wonder if we can get an update.
th-cam.com/video/g7im3Shi3dg/w-d-xo.html
Pump out effect is a bitch in laptops.
Ive been replacing my laptops thermal paste once every 6 months (at the begining of summer and at the begining of winter) and the laptop runned for 8 years with no issues.
Sold it a few years back.
Thermal pads are not a solution for laptops because they already run a bit too close to their limit in temps, you are far better undervolting the CPU/GPU and using a viscous thermal paste, thou that makes repasting a much harder job.
So yeah, laptos have a hot life.
I know this video is a year old but I wanted to say THANK YOU! I own an MSI GE70 2PE (from 2014 for those curious) and after watching this I decided I must give it a try. This absolutely keeps core temps much more even than thermal paste, which helps stop throttling and frame drops due to core temp spikes. Even if your temps are a bit bad at first you can simply adjust the heatsink's contact with ease unlike thermal paste which needs to be reapplied as soon as you lift the thing. I can also confirm that you really can just slap these on without worrying about the heatsink being perfectly placed.
I don't think these pads are gonna last for ever, but sure, very sure double or more time than the regular pastes. And basically will keep nice and cool temperatures until it will get too much dust or other type of factor that could make this not "last for ever".
Even though these still a bargain to that very long longevity that these companies claim.
And man your voice sounds like your're doing a documentary of National Geographic.
Btw you can do a small parody documentary about laptops and their natural habitat, it will be very funny and maybe you probably will gain a lot of traction with this type of video.
Mini tomate Thanks! Look up De8aeur Carbonaut and he’ll explain these pads in some great detail. There’s a video with Gemer Nexus about it too. These are meant to last a very long time. Of course, time will tell 👍
Damn, first time in your channel, your voice and your gesture makes me feel that you know what you're talking about. Thanks for the info!
Hey Bob. Just tried carbonaut on my old ivybridge CPU and heatsink was lapped tri point heatsink. 1-4c core differential is better than 8-12c differential is good indeed. But i don't see much changes in temps than my cm maker gel. One difference in the application i made was i cut the carbonaut sheet and made it fit inside the bga die with ¼ space on every side. Had panicked if the sheet would slip, but it didn't.
6:49 What you say here doesn't seem to match the title of your video. AT ALL. Clickbait headline?
Please do try and test the difference in performance between the pads and regular thermal paste on laptops that don't thermal throttle. Would love to see the results. Keep up the great videos!
If I have the opportunity I would love to do so 👍
I completely agree that it would be a fantastic practical solution for manufacturers to implement. However, it will never happen because of two simple words: *“Manufactured Obsolescence”* The tech giants make far too much money from the accurately timed failure of their products and all of the after sales support, repairs, spares etc. This product seems almost too good to be economically viable for them! Shouldn’t be the case of course, but sadly it is.
Dynamic A few manufacturers have improved their TIM from the factory. Gigabyte used a TG compound in their newest Aero and HP has LM on one of their high-end laptops.
It’s trial and error for them. Having to manage this much heat has a few taking some chances and seeing how it pans out over time.
It’s a step in the right direction and some are actually proactive about it.
@@BobOfAllTrades Thanks for your reply. It _'seems'_ like an optimistic approach, but we'll see how truly proactive they are about it once it becomes too efficient to profit from. If CPU's (and other components) last longer as a result of far better and more effective heat dissipation, they will lose a significant portion of their profits. I'm afraid I just don't believe that consumer electronics are "designed to last", far too many examples of that simply not being the case.
Dynamic What’s a fair amount of time for a gaming laptops lifespan? 3, 5, 7 years?
To some, every two years and they run them hard. Others the same but they will change TIM and clean the fans. Then there’s everyone in between.
I’m sure I can get a machine to last many years. Take ten others who don’t care for their hardware and 5 of them break inside of 24 months, three are going strong and two have their fans replaced. One of those due to a dusty environment. It’s hard to know what kills a laptop first, the manufacturer or the user 🤷♂️
@@BobOfAllTrades In my experience, having the TIM dry up has been my leading cause of hardware degradation in mobile products. Temps go up, clocks go down and eventually something (cant say what) happens where out of the box clock speeds become unobtainable. With Dell products ive found that after a certain point it feels like a sensor gets tripped that literally halves the max clockspeed of the cpu (2010 alienware m15x, 2015 alienware M15, 2018 Dell with i5). Have a 2014 msi gp-63 with a 4700hq that works like new still. All have experience the same "trip" and operate at half clockspeed after a couple years time. Replacing TIM does not alleviate the problem and the only solution that worked was throttlestop and it only worked on the 2010 m15x.
I now have an asus gl703-vm that was a refurbished product and we will see how that gets on as the years go by. Dell has some great looking products in their lineup, but my history with them simply does not allow for further investments (not that this is the type of year to throw money away on a slightly faster gaming laptop)
Bob thank you for sharing this with us. My omen 15t could definitly use this, especially that it is still on its stock TP as it was working fine for a new laptop and i wasnt brave enough to LM it like my other machines. I might go with this over LM.
Hi Bob, I have a few questions, would really appreciate if you can answer them all:
1/ Why is core uniformity important? Why does it better for all core to hit 93C rather than only 2-3 core hit 93C and the rest stay at around 75-85
2/ About the screwing in the cooler, I thought you need to screw it tight so that the paste spread to all area of the dye and you need to keep the thermal paste as thin as possible for efficient heat transfer. I understand that you want to balance the heat pipe for core uniformity but why would you want core uniformity over heat transfer and paste spread?
3/ why are you happy that CPU was at 93C. I thought that over 90C is not healthy for CPU?
Core uniformity is important so that you don't have one hot core causing the entire cpu to throttle when there is in fact still thermal headroom available. (also prevents cores from failing at different rates much later in the lifespan of the product).
As far as the screws go, for the pad TIM, it doesnt need to be squished around, so he just put it together however he felt like and got good results. It is fairly important to apply pressure evenly when using paste. Too tight and you break things. I have yet to see a laptop with what i would call a great retention method over the processor dies to evenly spread paste.
93c is pretty typical for mobile processors under synthetic load. He likely has a higher all core clock in the same test (mind you with higher temps overall) than the test where uniformity is poor. You could also expect one of your cores to fail before the others if not operating at similar temperatures (the hotter cores should fail first). Now you don't want your machine running at 93c all the time, but spikes during the initial boost period are normal and to be expected. Many arent comfortable having temps that high, but it is simply a drawback of laptop cooling solutions and can be remedied by undervolting, using a cooling pad, or applying a better thermal interface than stock.
Hope this helps.
If I could hire you to answer questions I would 👌
@@BobOfAllTrades Haha given current times I would definitely be open to it. Love your videos and you are the reason i decided to take on an asus gl703-vm that others had given up hope on (poor thermals, no drivers). Has a 7700hq and full 1060 and it was all mine for $400. Repasted, removed fan baffles, driver installs, and undervolting have turned it into a machine that nearly rivals my king of kings desktop from 2014.
You are THE go to for laptop information as far as I am concerned. Keep up the great work!
Can you explain in another video a bit more thoroughly about that cooler fine tuning you mentioned. How can I figure out if I tightened the screws correctly? What are the benefits?
Definitely not. There’s no way to explain that video well enough to where I would not be bombarded with a bunch of questions that I can’t sit around and babysit. There’s a reason why that video really doesn’t exist anywhere. But if you click the link in the description I do talk about that a little bit more.
@@BobOfAllTrades I understand and completely agree with you. Just watched the video in description and I`ve definitely found most of the answers I was looking for. Thanks!
P.S. loved your copper CPU and GPU heatsinks!
Hamza Tukić I ❤️ copper!
I saw a video where a guy used liquid metal and it was eating his CPU cover and the cooler and basically just permanently ruined his thermal solutions. It's not worth it to me unless the manufacturer offers it. I'd hate to be that guy who ruins a $1,000+ laptop instead of just choosing a paste.
Can you try using the thermal paste and the fabric electrically conductive sheet. I’d like to see if that would get the best of both worlds, lower temps and even core temps.
Can you please specified what do you mean by no thermal throttling laptops?
Knowing the ORIGINAL OEM thermo-compaund used would make this video perfect.
I wonder if it'd be a good thing to apply this in my XPS 15 laptop
Thanks for this video, i'm definitely going to be picking up some of this for my older laptop, its got an older AMD processor in it that just likes to run really hot.
keep us posted!
The temperature is stable. But, it is stably maximum. That is the whole problem.
In the case of contact alignment using thermal paste, the temperatures stabilize at a value closer to 70 or 80 degrees, that is, to a smaller one. In the case of thermal padding, they stabilize closer to the maximum. It is not good.
It is also worth noting that in case of thermal grease, those parts of the processor with a minimum gap are practically adjacent to the heat sink, which gives maximum efficiency.
But thermal padding simply does not allow those areas to contact, it completely isolates the processor and heat sink. Therefore, we get a consistently worse result.
In addition, given that in laptops, the contact and the gap between the processor and cooling is far from ideal and much worse than for desktops, this worsens the situation even more.
Honestly, the Carbonaut pads might be the best thing for the Alienware 15 R2 (i7 6700HQ and GTX 980M) I still have (this point probably going to be giving that to my niece before I move on to the 17 R5 I’ve got). Only thing is taking that 15 R2 apart is going to be an adventure that I will most likely need a full day on, as I looked up some teardown videos of it and it does NOT look fun, but I know the paste needs to be replaced on it.
I wonder if stacking 2 to 4 layers of the Carbonaut would make it more effective since some laptops don’t have the best “seating” with how the screws are.
Very likely NO. The idea is to have the thinnest possible layer while still making contact.
@@BobOfAllTrades I see…I thought I had heard previously ( probably more than a couple years ago ) about some people complaining about the cooler pressure in some laptops that interferes with various TIMs in very inefficient ways…or maybe I’m thinking of liquid metal cause that has to be the thinnest TIM that I’ve heard of cause of its properties and the few but very severe cons to it.
I had 3 cores cool and 3 cores hot. I didn't like that. Now I have all cores HOT uniformely and I'm LOVING it!
LOL. ikr. the Aero he showed just core #2 was throttling with paste, with carbonaut, all of them are now throttling save core #5, and that one's just 2 C away from throttling too.
Might want to watch this then before proceeding with those comments th-cam.com/video/g7im3Shi3dg/w-d-xo.html
For better performance paste (gamers/big video editors) on some cores 10-17 degrees difference , for easy clean longterm function then carbonaut. For me if paste gives also less fan noise that would be my choice.
I have a Blade 15 thats starting to thermal throttle a bit so I think its high time I replace the thermal stuff, Im curious about experimenting with this but I have literally never tried anything before, let alone taking the heat sink off, so I may give it a shot!
How about also adding a thin layer of paste between the cooler and the pad? The die is flat but the cooler is not, maybe the paste there can make it work even better. Talking about just a really thin layer
You might be surprised to see how many people of asked that question. It’s my understanding it was highly recommended to not do that by the creators of this product.
@@BobOfAllTrades still its interesting to try. At least I'm planning to test it myself if I can't find some more info on the internet. Very interesting video
Tried this pad on my x17 r2 and it worked but only let me draw 80w from the cpu and with 3 hot cores. Bit worked on my old Lenovo X250 just fine. I can see it being fine for a GPU and low power draw stuff and you’ll never have to replace. But think I’ll go and try PTM 7950 as I’ve currently got Liquid Metal and I just don’t feel I can transport it safely anymore.
I appreciate you doing it the way most of us would this gives me much more confidence!! Haha
So Bob those are the thermal pastes available locally here (hydronaut, aeronaut, kryonaut, minus pad 8, MX-4, MX-5, mastergel lineup, cryofuze, NT-H1), which one should I use for dell g5 5587 (i7-8750h+gtx1050ti)? which one wouldn't dry up after a few weeks and at the same time give me the biggest decrease in thermals? bc literally the laptop has been unusable bc of the thermal throttling for a long time now.
Thanks for this interesting test on gaming laptops that run really hot!
Still happy with my msi gp63 here which never goes above 74-75 degree celsius for both cpu and gpu , btw my cpu has -155 undervolt and gpu has +500 mhz at memory clock
Nice! You can probably peel that memory overclock back since it’s not really needed at full HD resolution.
@@BobOfAllTrades I was just testing the thermal limit of the laptop thou I have reduced the gpu to its stock memory clock and undervolted it 950v in msi afterburner core clock curve at 1923mhz,
As anyways great video
Am I meant to be expecting better thermal performance than stock paste (like Kryonaut etc) with the Carbonaut, or simply better core uniformity? Your Aero 15 benchmarks showed the paste having lower max temps on some cores using thermal paste.
Bob thank you for this informative thoughtful video. Bob could you please consider doing a video of Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut on 16 inch MacBook Pro 2019 model please. I know myself and others would benefit from such video. Thanks!
do you have a video where you are applying it?
Even if what it brings to the table is not having to replace the plaste, well, for me it's worth it. Did you try putting 2 of them one on top of the other and see what happens with temperature?
Excellent mate, fantastic communicator. I got your point about the uniformity, but I don't see much gains lowering the stock temperature. Correct me if I'm wrong. Aside from the king of liquid metal, my experience with kryonaut has really take down temperatures from stock allowing to for example overclock further gpu and gain more performance (MSI gt76 7rf).
Will be interesting to see if you can check with one thermo throttle laptop unit, if it really lower enough the temps to gain performance.
In the end I believe the ones that go ahead with repasting is in order to gain better performance and thermals, to get a clear advantage from stock paste.
As commented before, I see the longevity of the material, the easy application, the uniformity on the core temps, but not a real difference between stock and carbonaut IMO.
Cheers mate;).
Yeah don’t think for a second this is going to be better than traditional paste as said pretty early on. But I was impressed with how easy it was to use and how much sense it could potentially make inside laptops 🙏
i just got some kryonaut for 10$, replaced the IC graphite that was on it. taking it was stuck to both the die and the cooler, ripped it to pure garbage. ended up super annoying to clean off. i guess next time i'll go for carbonaut lol.
for me on my razer blade 15, i7 8750h gtx 1070 max-q I use the Thermal Grizzly conductonaut liquid metal it works best for me. Also thanks for your undervolting guide my system is running a lot more efficiently at lower temperatures!
I don't really recommend liquid metal for laptop though, once applied you can't undo anything. Also if you mess up with the application, then you're basically done with your laptop
@@fadhil4008 Yeah that is true it is one scary process. My dad once accidentally fried a 980 Ti Kingpin edition some years back and was upset about it. But successfully delided and applied conductonaut to a Core i7 6700k inside and out. custom EK system sat on 15°C idle. My laptop was hitting scorching temperatures so with Conductonaut and a powerful laptop cooler I can game without throttling now. I'd only recommend people do it if they have a distraction free environment with the right tools, and watch a guide on how to do it properly.
Bob what’s your workout routine lol
Mostly weight training anymore. Cardio too during the nicer seasons. Usually limited to 5k or a Boot Camp I’ll host on the weekend.
Lifting stacked heatpipes I would presume
This, you are putting on muscle sir!
Can you use the nail polish gel to cover the electrical conductive parts just in case?
Interesting, thank you. Bought and subscribed
richard hogben It’s a neat product that I’m at an interesting stage with it right now. I just took all of the graphite pads off of my laptops and I’m storing them (the pads) for the next month or so. Then I’m gonna put them on a different laptop and see how they perform.
Hey bob got another request haha, can you make a video on the application of the carbonaut? Cause its available here in our place but I'm kinda scared that I may apply it in the wrong way... Hope this reaches you.
Aero 15 Carbonaut Load showed temps of 93 C in all cores except for Core #5 which showed 91 C.
Aero 15 Paste Load showed temps of 86 C, 76 C, 93 C, 74 C, 90 C, 74 C.
You can calculate that the Core #5 performed worse by 17 C, and you can't speak for any other core because they are all thermal throttling.
This is further backed up by the fact that with paste the CPU Package Power was pulling 5 more watts than the one with Carbonaut and still it ran significantly cooler
If anything, this proves that Carbonaut absolutely sucks at least on laptops.
Also the possible reason for the uniformity problem is that the Aero uses one screw at the top and two screws at the bottom for the cpu heatsink. This may cause less pressure on the top part of the cpu die causing more heat on those cores.
If the core layout is like this.
0 2 4
1 3 5
Then that would be a pretty plausible explanation for the temps on cores 0, 2, and 4 to be higher.
Hey Bob, I've got the HP Omen 15 from Microcenter that you reviewed last year, and which you also did a complete TIM replace on (with video). You didn't see much benefit from that. I see an 8 to 12 degree C temperature difference between the top and bottom sides of the 9750h CPU when it's running full-bore and near the 97 degree temp throttle (I got around the power throttle completely). Do you have any idea how many more watts I could push through the CPU before it temp-throttles if I were to use this to even out the temps? Are we talking like 3 more watts?
And no, I'm not intending this machine to be extremely long-lived ;)
It really seems to have an amazing uniformity for the area of the contact, but yet we can't expect better overall temperatures (or performance if bottlenecked by temperature) than like liquid metal, right? Will you cover more on this matter?
At least it seems better than the stock looking at the minimum temperatures on 5:46 comparison.
Maybe someday I can cover that once I have a laptop that doesn’t thermal throttle and I have permission to take it apart.
Hey Bob, still love your videos!! You talked about movability of the TIM. Does LM have the potential to fall out of the dye and touch other components if you carry your laptop sideways (i.e. a backpack)? If so, this pad might be a much better solution. Thanks!
LM applications properly sealed by pros and it’s 100% good 👍
Heck, I have machines out in the wild with LM still going strong.
@@BobOfAllTrades thanks man! Again, love your content and you explain things so well. Really appreciate you
I tried that a couple of months ago on my hp omen 15t with an i8 8750h and 1070 mq - prior to that i had liquid metal aplied, but i it turned out that my application of that was pretty terrible lol. I tried those pads and even got a worse result in my case. Reaplied liquid metal and i cant improve it more :) Great vid!
Makes me wonder what would happen if you were to use multiple layers of the fabric or a layer of fabric with thermal paste on top.
Worse performance, you don't have to wonder.
Nice video but you should atleast told us about safely experimenting with the basic roles like 1 close laptop 2 remove battery 3 better wait 20min atleast to make sure no electricity is stored in the motherboard 4 make sure the paste you are using or what ever dosnt conduct electricity as much as possible (for beginners) which is safer and better also .good luck all
I'm not an expert by any means, but it seems to me that with the carbonaut you got a much worse resault. Sure it looked much more uniformed 93 degrees all cores, but there were cores with 74 degrees using paste. Isn't it better having cores with much lower temperature than having all over 90 degrees?
I was wondering the same thing
Would you recommend this for Razer Blade 15 or lm? I did used lt on my Alienware 15 r1 and it worked flawlessly but RB is much tinier.
did you try it by any chance? I want to use it on my razer blade too
Same here haha
I wonder if this would fix the Asus a15's thermal problems along with cutting into the baseplate
BOAT with the knowledge drop on thermal paste why I trust him because he's one of the only guys that actually tests and uses all this stuff he does on his channel.
Oh yeah dude I’ve been doing stuff like this since the 90s 👍
If people only knew me on OCN when I was big over there. Most of these forms I’ll have between five and 10,000 posts so yeah I’ve been all over the place and I’ve done a lot more than my small channel would ever reflect.
@@BobOfAllTrades Quick question..Im gonna do a panel upgrade and wondered what double sided tape to use for the thick bezel can you recommend to secure the bezel after its installed?
neosrt10 Probably the thinnest stuff you can get
mounting pressure? I think my dell e6540 has 4 screw mounting screw and it has good pressure too. Maybe carbonaut is the solution. I'm tired to repaste that every month XD
Wow, thanks for the video. My sibling got an alienware and it's cpu is running hot. Will definitely getting this and subscribing.
should let it run hot for a week and see if there is still a temp difference
Hey Bob,
Can you do this for MSI GF65 THIN RTX 2060, also add undervolting for this laptop.
We have to help this guy to get to a million subscribers... He is a gem !!!
its normal,thermal liquid inside structure is different compare to a solid one which has uniform and same structure
Are temperatures the same as a thermal paste (I understand they are almost same temp on all cores but is the temp the same as the temp on the hottest core)
Nope there are reviews out there. This product is unfortunately behind a good thermal paste.
@@al151 Damn this sucks Thanks!
@@It_was_a_dream for direct die applications like in a laptop, after 6 months of moderate use your paste will have degraded to the same levels or worse than these pads.
Are 94 degree temps normal under load??? I’m thinking about doing this because my temps around that high, and I thought that was way too high. ...seen other video temps around 70’s
Bob, what thickness of thermal pads should I use on my Aero 15w for the chipsets (6 total)? I also noticed you have some black thermal pads on your RAM and some people cover their SSD's as well...what thickness on those is best? I have 1.5mm but I think it may be too thick.
What good is having even core temps when your CPU is throttling at 95 degrees, am I missing something?
I have an Alienware 17 r5 that I got for $750 open box from best buy when the 9th gen Intel and the 20 series from Nvidia came out, hence the cheap price. With the stock paste I was seeing throttling even with a. 145 undervolt on the 8750h. I replaced the paste with master gel maker from cooler master and now I see between 85 and 90 degrees on 3 of the cores and 75 to 80 on the other 3. I had read that many people have had luck with a .3mm copper shim, has anyone had any first hand experience with this? To my understanding, you put some paste on the die, place the copper shim on to of that, put some paste on top of the shim, and then apply the cooler.
If it makes any difference, the gtx 1070 stays well below 75 with a 1900mhz OC.
What about mx4 for very long term
Not good for long term in laptops
Could you post the high temp readings comparing the conductonaut vs. The carbonaut? I know they won't be the same, but I'm curious how much of a difference there really is.
@BobOfAllTrades any updates on the performance of this? Looking at this or paste for my RP-15 because it keeps randomly shutting down when gaming and I think its due to high temps.
Which one do you prefer to me to use (after liquid metal) on my Laptop. Predator Helios 300 2020
Have you replaced your thermal paste on your 2020 yet? I have the same and I'm pretty sure mine needs replacing now after only owning it for a month. If so what, what method did you use and what results have you seen?
Forget about temps, what about heat dissipation for the carbnaut ? I read somewhere that using a conductive TP might not decrease temps greatly but the fans will be almost quite due to superior heat dissipation i believe, is it that case for the graphite sheets u used or its only advantage is core uniformity ?
Have you seen this? th-cam.com/video/g7im3Shi3dg/w-d-xo.html
only 1-2days after repaste my 8750h,i get so high temps on some cores...difference 11c...when i repaste it again i can see the center of cpu is dry,my paste just spill out...now the question is...wil this carbon pad push my temps bellow 90c and it should be stable at the place right?
"like a savage man" 🤣
Great video thanks, I might use that cloth solution on my Omen. Hate taking laptops apart.
Sounds too good to be true. Looked up Amazon reviews and there are a lot of people saying that it self-disintegrates in few months. Since your video is several months old, it would be interesting if you can check the condition of the thermal pad on your laptop and if it's still as good as new (of course if you were using this laptop continuously and not just during the test process).
The test process for this has been in the works for a while. I actually removed all of those pads from the laptops they were on and have been storing them for a few months to see how they’re holding up. Then I’m going to reapply them and see how they hold up, take it apart and then talk about it 👍
Bob Of All Trades By simply storing the pads you are not subjecting them to running temps. All negative reviews are from users who were using them in their main laptops for few months. I wonder if high temps are what kills these pads.
Dima The previous gen AERO 15 rams at it limit and these pads were on that machine for several months 🤷♂️
They’re delicate pads for sure.
Honeywell 7950 I really want you to try it. It’s a black magic thermal paste for laptop
Bob i need your help.
What is the correct size of the Carbonaut pad that can be user in Razer Blade Pro 17 Late 2019? Would you even recommend it?
I am a bit skeptical about LM.
Quite a lot of people on amazon complain about the pad breaking very easily and being difficult to install. What are your thoughts on that?
Well you saw how I was cutting the pad 👌
I’m sure it is fragile but I was also delicate with it as I think anyone with common sense should be too once you see these for yourself 👍
My favorite TIM is ocz freeze, bought a dozen tubed when it was new about to be discontinued.
Which paste would be better for my MSI laptop(gs63vr 6rf) noctua nt-h2 or Mx-4? (Would use kyronaut but it doesn’t last long)
Royalson Shrestha looking for the answer too ✌️
Ive used both and honestly they both have about 3 months of great performance, then they really fall off. MX5 has been ok, but not a whole lot better after the 6 month mark. Im considering these pads simply so i don't have to worry about replacing paste anymore.
Problem is this pad is not available for most laptops.
My x1 carbon 7th gen in need of a thermal upgrade.. I dont even know whether liquid metal is suitable too
What are the best alternative beside liquid metal ? ?
These pads are available...meaning they can be used on any device you want (cut to size as shown in the video). Liquid metal works great, but after about a year it degrades and leaves you with a mess. Find a good thermal paste like Arctic silver 4 or 5, or noctuas thermal paste and just replace what is already on your laptop. So long as you dont use a conductive material and get it where you shouldnt, you will be fine.
Is this in any way a good idea if you leave your laptop on a vertical stand?
Whats a thermal paste and how does it work? I wonder how comes we don’t know what it is. But saying that I might be ignorant
You mention "dialing it in" when putting the laptop screws back in. What do you mean? I've watched a few different videos about changing thermal paste since my laptop is running hot, but none of them mentioned this. They just say 'don't over tighten the screws.'
I have a video linked in the description that does talk about it a little bit more
I'll give it a watch. Thank you.
Test it on desktop hardware? I would love to have a place and forget solution for gpus especially.
I don’t have a desktop otherwise that would be the first place I’d try it 👍
@@BobOfAllTrades dduurrrrrnnnnnnnn alright well thank you!