Recommendation: don’t ever use two shims (hockey pucks). It has a high potential of slipping off no matter what. Find one shim that is grippy and large enough to make up that gap.
You are the HOCKEY *UCK. You belong in the Penalty box for failure to follow common sense. 1. Jacking up a vehicle without the jack pad raised edge positioned to keep the jack from sliding out from under the car. 2. The wheels on the jack were against the raise broken concrete garage floor, as seen in the video, so the jack could not roll under the car as it is supposed to do. The jack was not on hard level ground as required per operating manual. In essence you had chocked the wheels, against the broken concrete, on the jack so no way they could roll. 3. The car was on a ramps adding to instability to what you were doing. 4. 2 hockey pucks caused 2 goals against the losing player. The referee would charge you with 2 penalties, one for having 2 pucks in play at the same time , a major penalty and ejected from the game with a 2 game suspension and the second penalty for ban equipment being used, a puck was not allowed in play at all. 🏒 the conclusion. You weren't hurt, you have a valuable teaching example learned first hand.
You make a good point. With those loads and 2 bodies of shims. Unless we’re professional mechanics and doing all this stuff on a daily basis, mistakes can naturally happen. How would you attack this problem. Would you put a Jack on the sides in that fashion.
Ever since when I first watched your video where the car slipped off the jack, I had a fear that it would happen to me every time I work on my car. But after watching this video, it totally makes sense. Yes the jack is supposed to roll forward with the car as you jack it up. So I can understand how and why the car slipped off the jack. I’m glad you got your car fixed and thank you for uploading this video because it helps us all and we all can learn from each other’s mistake.
thanks for posting to show the rest of us what not to do when jacking up a car, your pain is not in vain if it has saved someone else from misery - glad to see you got her fixed!
@@crescent5311 Trust me, there's alot of stupid people out there working on cars. 2 mechanics did mickey mouse fixes on my car. I discovered it 5 years later after I worked on my car. I can almost imagine what the average car owner DIY beginner would do.
The hockey pucks were the source of the problem. The pinch weld device is made to drop into the floor jack cup, and uses the lip of the cup to ensure the jack rolls and stays somewhat centered. The device needed rather than the puck was a floor jack extension. It goes between the floor jack and cup to lift the cup while keeping the centering properties and still locking into the alignment hole. They are common for off-road vehicles. Homemade versions are often made of a piece of 1/4" wall 3"x3" or 4"x4" square steel tube with a hole drilled into the top to receive the cup and a 1" piece of pipe welded on the bottom to lock into the jack.
it's not the source but it contributed to the issue by being the weak point in a series of user error. A floorjack has an arc movement when lifting. Pay attention to the jack base. It doesn't move at all until the car comes down on it. Look at the swivel wheels of the jack. It's perpendicular to the front wheels. If the swivel wheels were positioned correctly, it would have went up no problem. Or if he was jacking it up off the actual saddle, the load would force the wheels straight and allow the jack base properly keep in alignment with the jack point. Instead the load overcomes the stack of pucks before the swivel wheels. Daystar KU31002 lifting pad, +5.5 inch of height and fits securely over the typical Chinese floor jack saddles.
@emp0rizzle This ^. If anyone watches the wheels of a jack when jacking a vehicle, you'll notice the jack "rolls" adjusting its position ever so slightly in order to keep the load centered over the jack point.
Props to you for showing this epic failure. Most people never post bad experiences like this, especially this bad. Good information for everyone because you don't think about how the jack moves, and the danger of not connecting the two pucks together with something. Hope everything is better for you and your car these days.
So if you look in your owners manual, they show where the actual lift points are at. They arent on the sides of the car, one in front, one in back. Using the pinch welds is asking for trouble.
Same on my cars. The jack points are under the front and rear of the vehicle. Single point for each. They're Toyota brand, so probably similar to the Lexus.
The problem wasn't the pucks, or the red pinch piece. The problem was that you were using a floor Jack on a very,very rough concrete floor that wouldn't allow the jack's wheels to move forward. If the jack's wheels can't move forward, the jack can't move forward. If you had tried to do this again, using the same pucks and red piece--on a normal, smooth concert floor--you wouldn't have had a problem. Thank you for posting this video. You have saved many DIY mechanics from falling into the same issue. So, you were at fault. But many of us may have made the same mistake of not using a floor Jack on a smooth concrete surface
@michaeld.3779 beg to differ: I CONSTANTLY jack on a broken cracked old pos garage floor, or on a sunken uneven driveway. Never once have I had my floor jack not roll. He should have used a slotted 4x4 or a floor jack with an extended saddle.
@@richcombs4805 you'll get into same accident if your floor jack doesn't roll. It should roll and the uneven floor cause it to get stuck and will the cause the pucks to tilt. What you believe is very wrong and you should listen to what @michaeld.3779 posted.
I think what @@richcombs4805 meant was that not once has his floor jack gotten stuck because of pos garage floors. I think you guys read his comment wrong?
I would say it was a combination of all of these factors. You might get away with it a couple of times, but of course, if your surface is poor and you're using x2 pucks with an unsuitable Jack with the back of the car raised high meaning more of the cars weight is now at the front
Props to you for at least posting the incident and then clarifying later. Everyone makes mistakes when doing their own work at home; just have to learn from them. I’ve definitely had my fair share over the years with my old Cobra’s lol.
Exactly. Way to man up and own it. Everyone makes mistakes and we learn from them. That’s why most of the people are watching this video…. Hahaha. Thanks for positing
Hey, accidents do happen, but listening to you explain the situation was pretty funny honestly. It would be like listening to somebody after a ladder accident explain how their ladder wouldn't reach so they just stacked a few four by fours underneath the ladder legs so they could reach and then it fell. That was a painful video to watch though.
Brave of you to share what happened and feel so sad for your car. Happy to see you got it repaired and you're doing well. It's indeed good to check and practice how the floor jack "slides in" and get the perfect conccrete patch before you start. And to restart the jacking session of your in doubt. But it could have happened to anyone.
Thanks for posting this. This is how we all learn. Three learning points: 1) do no jack while using ramps. You can ramp one end and then eventually replace with good jack stands, but using a ramp invites rocking when jacking. It’s dangerous. 2) floor jacks are designed to roll a bit to support the load while lifting so use on smooth concrete only. If jacking on a rough surface as shown in the video, place a large piece of plywood or metal plate to allow the jack to move a bit. 3) as mentioned use the hockey pucks for playing hockey. Building yourself a dedicated extension (wood) will be more stable than free stacking found objects. Your safety and life is on the line.
Hey bro, you got off pretty well. I was inexperienced and jacked up my 500hp s15 from the front using a plank of wood to help bridge the gap between the jacking point and the jack, long story short, the plan of wood was actually dry rotted from the inside, it snapped and the jack went through my sump and ruined my oil pickup and dented my block :))) I feel ya, I was legit depressed for a good 5 months until I repaired it. Lesson learnt
What you explained makes perfect sense, and yes, it is helpful to know. Just glad that you and your little assistant didn't get injured! Thanks for sharing.
When I saw that concrete, I immediately knew the reason for the accident. That's something I always have looked out for (the jack being able to roll). That had to be a sickening feeling, and I hate that your car was damaged! Looks like a sweet ride - glad you got it fixed up (even better than it was, it looks like)!
Thank you for explaining this accident. It's impossible to imagine every potential mishap that could happen, so you sharing this learning experience helps others.
There were so many red flags this guy decided to blatantly ignore, nah accidents like this don't happen to anyone, this takes a special amount of careless disregard to common sense safety practices
That and where he went isnt the actual pinch weld, well at least not the one for lifting!! By the looks of it im pretty sure the pinchweld youd actually lift the car from would be under the side skirts, which means go 1 foot in more from where he though the pinch weld is and boom the strongest point of the car THE FRAME
@@skliros9235 lol the fucker missed the lift point, and was on it with a janky hockey puck stack for some reason. He also didn’t align the jack properly. No idea where he got the confidence to just start pumping that thing up. You’re both half right on the rear being lifted idea… the weight being shifted is not the problem. The pucks would have slipped regardless, and he wasn’t even on a seam. The weight transfer toward the front is pretty minimal, it’s the fact the rear axle is fixed at its location relative to others on the car… this means you create a force line when you go to lift it with the jack, sliding the car with deltic deflection
I appreciate your video because you showed how the” pad” part of the jack doesn’t rise straight up. It moves in a slight arch. This is why the jack has wheels not just to move the jack around the shop. When jacking from the ends the vehicle can move an inch or so back towards the jack or the jack itself may roll a bit as the car is raised. With that thought in mind keep in mind that any pieces you add to the jack’s pad might move. For those hating on this guy for already doing what he did we all saw the issue but thanks for driving it home. Anyone else who watches this from now on, just remember what the lesson is here, or……buy a jack with a height adjustable pad and make sure the pad is centred on the point it contacts the vehicle.
Thank you for showing this mistake. I learned from it, for sure. My take away is the reminder to be very careful when jacking up an auto, and don't let your guard down. Learning from others' mistakes is much cheaper than learning from your own.
I feel for you in every way. Especially working on old rotten cars. It's why I never even trust jackpoints on older vehicles, I go straight to the frame if I can, and if it's too low, I ramp that shit. Half the time anymore I don't even use jacks, just use small gradual profile ramps if I can get away with it.
i have to say, everytime i try to jack my car up or see anyone do it...i relive this clip over and over...thanks for revisiting and explaining what happened Mr Gosling
Dude!!!!! Amazing Analysis... This tells me I don't have to worry about jacking my car up in that location. Just as long as my jack + gadget do not slip I am ok! Thanks for the demonstration.
Wow that jack setup was way worse than I thought. That's exactly what happens when you buy gimmick tools & don't buy the right tool for the job in the first place.
Also the GSF Jack point is located at the front of the car. If he read page 394 of his user manual he would of known that you Jack the car up directly in front or directly behind the car.
I had a guy working at the tire store put a jack under my Mustang without looking under the car and began trying to jack it up by the rocker panel instead of the correct location, I was watching him and told him to stop probably avoiding severe damage, As it was it still put a minor crease under the rocker panel, and there is no such thing as a good dent regardless where it's located.
Audi Tech here. I couldn't help but show this video to my coworkers, 3 of which are Master Guild Techs. All agreed this whole f* up was in fact your fault. They didn't bother to watch the whole video because they were simply bad mouthing your decision to use two damn shims AND an adapter to lift your car. You did provide a good laugh though. This comment is a couple years late but thats TH-cam for ya. Hope you learned from this mistake. Honestly, you should have simply contacted your local dealership and asked what the Techs there use to lift your car. We have DIY customers who call in for simple questions like this, not often of course but they do call.
When I first saw the video I had all the sympathy in the woworld for you! Thanks for the explanation. Much respect to you fellow Lexus peep! You have a Beautiful Lexus ISF
This was crazy to watch man. I'm glad you made this video because it shows the reality of what is possible using jacks. I don't care how many times I use jacks and stands, I'm still nervous for my safety, my car and will these things hold the car up each time.
First time seeing the update. Don't like the pucks, but i get it. I would drive in nose first on a set of race ramps. Nice and long, low clearance no problem. Then you can jack the rear with a block of wood at the diff. and slide in some Esco flat top jack stands at your non pinch weld factory lift points. You need a quickjack, they're money. If you can change only one thing, buy a Daystar KU31002. Thanks for sharing.
Keep on learning as you go along. Accept constructive criticism and rightly call out the ones that are haters. Your videos are appreciated as there really isn't a boat load of GS DIY videos on TH-cam.
It's not car design that's the problem it's stupid people who mods and lower their cars way too low then factory height this is the reason I don't lower my car I keep it stock height makes it easier going over speed bumps too don't really care if it's doesn't look as good as a lower car but least it's more practical.
It makes' me laugh every time I see young drivers in their lowered BMW'S suddenly break to go over speed humps making that awful scraping noise as they gingerly move over the bump.@@abcwarrior91
Glad you posted your video of what happened. Watching the video of the mishap, I have to say I shared the "OH SH*T!" moment you must have had, but of course many times removed. My first thought was that you had unfortunately picked the wrong spot to jack up the vehicle. Kudos to you for explaining what happened, and possibly saving someone else from the same sort of accident.
On my worst days and when i believe it couldnt possibly get any worse in my life, i always come back here to be reminded that you really f'd up here. Thanks
I have a 2008 GS350 AWD. Great car. Very reliable. I have about 260k miles on it right now and still going strong with just routine maintenance. Never any major problems.
I'm sorry, man, but you are not mechanically inclined, which doesn't mean you are a bad person. Make money some other way and take your cars to a shop.
Good for you for talking about this. I’ve seen it 100 times around the web - it’s good to know that inters just the side skirt that was damaged… most of the clips I’ve seen are cropped and edited so that it looks like you did structural damage. Anyway, the great attitude is refreshing to see - thank you!
Hey, my respects to you for not only showing what went wrong but videoing how it went wrong. Many do not show their flaws or shortfalls. But just as important, you may very well have saved someone else some heartache.
You should buy the proper stuff. That jack is nice and works great, harbor freight makes good shit for the “MONEY!” (Meaning best of the cheap shit) You have an expensive car, spend some money next time and buy a jack with locking jack height extenders. Solid connection. If I jacked up any of my cars it must be positive connection 100%. Those pucks are shit in my opinion, they should only be used 1 at a time, (never stacked) or when a vehicle is being lifted all four corners at once to avoid an extreme angle. (Never stacked as well) That angle was created by the car leaning to one side and it slipped off. Still your fault in my book!!! Lesson learned!!!!
I would hope so, especially after that happening. Could have been much worse. Let’s say he was under that car. His wife would have found him, GOD FORBID! So many men are found dead under cars! Don’t like horror stories! If you work on your car, have the proper equipment and read constantly about cribbing/ blocking/jacking/or lifting up vehicles properly.
Still feeling with your hands is not as definitive as just using your eyes and watching as the vehicle goes up. Since you felt with your hands and not looked with your eyes it’s clear it slipped off the pucks because you probably didn’t have it centred enough on the pucks.
Props for the explanation, but you're still a knucklehead for doing it that way! Your floor sucks, your jack sucks and using 3 separate items expecting them to stay together in one line is crazy in the least... Level and epoxy your floor, get a good jack with a removeable top disc, and make an attachment that drops into the jacks hole that's one solid piece which then aligns into your pinch welds. Easy peasy, it's not easy being cheesy...
Stance family problems, definitely a challenging car to lift. Stay safe my dude. Maybe consider getting an electronic scissor jack. Or use an impact wrench on a regular scissor jack for ease of use.
I still think a variable was the rear was on a ramp stand as well. As for the difficulty getting to the pinch weld in that case you could have just jacked it off one of the front or rear axle points fixed structures etc
This was good lesson. I command this guy for uploading this video. He's going to save lives for guys who don't know that doing all this stuff could kill you. Back in the day, these types of incidents used to send people off to the "great blue yonder." You might could've use a bottle jack to get that perfect 90-degree lift. Jacks with wheels have to slip or roll every time it lifts/extends. But using 2 pucks was diabolically "three stooges". Also your car on those plastic ramps should have some jack stands somewhere just in case. You need to put a pad down under those wheel jacks, so they can roll with weight on them (like hard wood). In the 1990s, "pinch wells" are meant to lift up that one wheel and with scissor jacks or some jack that has the slot. Pinch wells are used on cheaply made (luxury non-utility) cars. Good cars have a good 3+ inches of flat frame for you to jack up.
An excellent explanation my friend! That was the thing I was watching as you jacked the car, the back wheels of the jack were not turning straight and moving forward as it should. It's quite evident in the video the jack remained stationary as you pumped it up. I feel so bad for you.
Always if using jack exatenions/hockey pucks always ensure that they bolt down onto the actual jack pad or some locking mechanism that provides a mechanical bond. Burton the bright side it wasn’t a failure it was just another life lesson, ad I can tell by your demeanor you understand that concept. Great video this will teach/ save millions. Keep it up!!
Respect to you for showing the lesson learned. Painful experience. Multiple issues involved: 1. rough underground preventing free movement (automatic alignment) of the trolley jack, 2. never use intermediary pieces that are not securely held/anchored to the jack and vehicle, i.e. prevented from vertical AND lateral displacement. The vehicle weight (compressive load) will not prevent lateral movement (shear), so the pucks/attachments can easily be 'pressed' out of position, 3. wrong jack. If the jack will not fit without using multiple loose lifting attachments/inserts, a different jack should be used, e.g. hydraulic bottle jack, scissor jack, air jack etc. Again, it's important that people don't point fingers, but understand the lesson. As the car is lifted by the jack, it changes lateral position (more, or less, depending on the amount of lift, type of suspension system and wheel size etc.), and 'pulls' on the jack. Trolley jacks follow the movement. Solid jacks compensate by leaning. Air jacks flex. Ideal is a trolley jack with good wheels on a solid smooth surface, or an air jack.
Great video! I am curious if you have come up with a better way to jack your car up. FWIW, it totally makes sense that the pucks might slip before the jack moved. Really depends on the friction force between the pucks vs the friction forces at the jack wheels.
Still the big mistake is not using his eyes and watching the car underneath as he jacks up. I don’t care how good you are get on the ground double triple check jack slowly. This guy just started pumping the jack so fast and the cracking noise was not his ramps that was the car 100%.
Damn dude I feel the pain! Every time I jack my truck or cars up! I make sure that it moves and rolls when it needs to! Be safe, hopefully people who seen this vid learned a valuable lesson
Another TH-camr showed how his truck he just finished restoring fell off the improvised wood block spacers he used with his 2-post lift for a similar reach issue. These things happen even if nothing happened the last 100 times before. It is just a dangerous thing. Good on you to put your mistakes out there. We've all had lucky near misses that could have turned out bad like yours but never had opportunity to share or even recorded them.
Great video, glad ya got it fixed up. My buddy told me about this and said if I keep using a puck it’s going to dry rot and fail me one day:/ so I’ve been using wood but don’t know what else I could try. Since I know wood will dry rot aswell but shows signs easier
Thanks alot for the video. I had those vehicle ramps slip underneath my car as I was driving it up one day. The car fell and I heard a loud thud. I was so worried I damaged something but luckily the car wasn't damaged to my suprise. Now I just ask my brother to help me with that.
Did the jack come with the two hockey pucks? Not sure I’ve seen them before 🤔 they usually have a big rubber pad on that section. I’d use a nice big chunk of wood next time pal then it’s less likely to slip. The metal of the jack and car dig in to the wood and help keep it in place. A solid plastic puck, especially two stacked, was always going to slip. Even if it went up, you could have gotten under there and then it slipped off when knocked or with any force of you trying to remove bolts from under the car. Stay safe. 👍🏼
Good explanation. This all makes sense. Just a miscalculation on how the uneven floor affected the jack’s ability to roll. I will learn this lesson from you. Thanks…
For anybody new watching this, 1) get a jack that has the different height attachments. 2) The pucks are smooth and dont grab. If you look at the contact point on a jack, it has teeth that grab and the cars pinch point grabs and pulls the jack in as its going up. Hence why they recommend using pinch points. Obviously, using the pinch points is not always reliable or sufficient. Make sure your jacks wheel rotate, make sure the surface the jack is on is relatively smooth. Make sure your jack makes good contact and can grab that contact.
so how do you do it now? different jack? i did mine the other day and i was stressing out lol... my jack was not moving in, and this was on pavement. it did start to move in some as it got higher, but i see people use them in gravel. and lets not even talk abut the jack stands.... mine and most have this V shape and really does not fit right on those pinch welds. thanks for sharing..
Sp sorry that these none hands on guysnare giving you hell about your (pretty much loss) I hope all goes well with the repair. I love the gs-f bro !!!!!
There is so many bad variables to this. The rear end 7 inches higher then the front end put alot of angle shifting weight on the front. The hockey pucks were not the best idea with the pinch weld tool. Just a recipe for disaster
Wow. I can see this potentially happening to me. I so freak out everytime i lift the car im chekcing multiple times. Thanks for sharing. Curious, how much did it cost to get thebcar fixed?
You did everything right, except for using hockey pucks as your spacer. Spacers should always be 1 piece. NEVER use 3 pieces stack on top of each other on a portable lift unless you bolt all 3 pieces together. Those type of lifts tend to pull the car towards you while its lifting the car. Causing the spacers to slip apart. I would never use hockey pucks on a jack anyway. They are naturally designed to be slippery and slide 😂. I use hard rubber lift blocks because they have high friction and grip and don't slip. If I have no rubber lift blocks, then I use hard wood blocks because the pinch point on the car will put an indention in the wood and cause it to lock in place and resist slipping. Sorry if you already heard this before. I didn't read all the comments. 👍
Soon as i saw the 2 pucks, all i thought was “tell me how you didnt do this wrong”. 😂😂😂
true
No shit
game over killed by 2 pucks !...
The Honda guys just switched to different platforms is all
Would like this comment but already has 69 likes. But my thoughts exactly.
"I did everything right!"
Proceeds to use Jenga construction to lift car.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🏆🏆🏆
Recommendation: don’t ever use two shims (hockey pucks). It has a high potential of slipping off no matter what. Find one shim that is grippy and large enough to make up that gap.
First thing I thought as soon as I saw that…..
Or superglue them together might work and then wrap it in duct tape
You are the HOCKEY *UCK. You belong in the Penalty box for failure to follow common sense.
1. Jacking up a vehicle without the jack pad raised edge positioned to keep the jack from sliding out from under the car.
2. The wheels on the jack were against the raise broken concrete garage floor, as seen in the video, so the jack could not roll under the car as it is supposed to do. The jack was not on hard level ground as required per operating manual. In essence you had chocked the wheels, against the broken concrete, on the jack so no way they could roll.
3. The car was on a ramps adding to instability to what you were doing.
4. 2 hockey pucks caused 2 goals against the losing player. The referee would charge you with 2 penalties, one for having 2 pucks in play at the same time , a major penalty and ejected from the game with a 2 game suspension and the second penalty for ban equipment being used, a puck was not allowed in play at all. 🏒
the conclusion. You weren't hurt, you have a valuable teaching example learned first hand.
@@josephyang3260 Is your glue and tape rated to lift 3,000 lbs?
You make a good point. With those loads and 2 bodies of shims. Unless we’re professional mechanics and doing all this stuff on a daily basis, mistakes can naturally happen.
How would you attack this problem. Would you put a Jack on the sides in that fashion.
Lifting your car on 2 hockey pucks and thinkin it’s ganna hold up is wild. I don’t know how u didn’t think it’d slip
why noah mad
It's going to be like the eiffel tower
Ever since when I first watched your video where the car slipped off the jack, I had a fear that it would happen to me every time I work on my car. But after watching this video, it totally makes sense. Yes the jack is supposed to roll forward with the car as you jack it up. So I can understand how and why the car slipped off the jack. I’m glad you got your car fixed and thank you for uploading this video because it helps us all and we all can learn from each other’s mistake.
Thanks brother
Which Jack & other shim is the best for the Lexus?
Just don’t do anything this guy does and you’ll be fine.
Just do it properly and you will be good.
@@OkiDingo lmaooo fax
thanks for posting to show the rest of us what not to do when jacking up a car, your pain is not in vain if it has saved someone else from misery - glad to see you got her fixed!
No one is stupid enough to use 2 hockey pucks to extend the height of their trolly jack though.
@@crescent5311 Trust me, there's alot of stupid people out there working on cars. 2 mechanics did mickey mouse fixes on my car. I discovered it 5 years later after I worked on my car. I can almost imagine what the average car owner DIY beginner would do.
@@crescent5311😂😂
The hockey pucks were the source of the problem. The pinch weld device is made to drop into the floor jack cup, and uses the lip of the cup to ensure the jack rolls and stays somewhat centered. The device needed rather than the puck was a floor jack extension. It goes between the floor jack and cup to lift the cup while keeping the centering properties and still locking into the alignment hole. They are common for off-road vehicles. Homemade versions are often made of a piece of 1/4" wall 3"x3" or 4"x4" square steel tube with a hole drilled into the top to receive the cup and a 1" piece of pipe welded on the bottom to lock into the jack.
it's not the source but it contributed to the issue by being the weak point in a series of user error. A floorjack has an arc movement when lifting. Pay attention to the jack base. It doesn't move at all until the car comes down on it. Look at the swivel wheels of the jack. It's perpendicular to the front wheels. If the swivel wheels were positioned correctly, it would have went up no problem. Or if he was jacking it up off the actual saddle, the load would force the wheels straight and allow the jack base properly keep in alignment with the jack point. Instead the load overcomes the stack of pucks before the swivel wheels. Daystar KU31002 lifting pad, +5.5 inch of height and fits securely over the typical Chinese floor jack saddles.
@emp0rizzle This ^.
If anyone watches the wheels of a jack when jacking a vehicle, you'll notice the jack "rolls" adjusting its position ever so slightly in order to keep the load centered over the jack point.
Props to you for showing this epic failure. Most people never post bad experiences like this, especially this bad. Good information for everyone because you don't think about how the jack moves, and the danger of not connecting the two pucks together with something. Hope everything is better for you and your car these days.
So if you look in your owners manual, they show where the actual lift points are at. They arent on the sides of the car, one in front, one in back. Using the pinch welds is asking for trouble.
Same on my cars. The jack points are under the front and rear of the vehicle. Single point for each. They're Toyota brand, so probably similar to the Lexus.
The problem wasn't the pucks, or the red pinch piece. The problem was that you were using a floor Jack on a very,very rough concrete floor that wouldn't allow the jack's wheels to move forward. If the jack's wheels can't move forward, the jack can't move forward. If you had tried to do this again, using the same pucks and red piece--on a normal, smooth concert floor--you wouldn't have had a problem.
Thank you for posting this video. You have saved many DIY mechanics from falling into the same issue. So, you were at fault. But many of us may have made the same mistake of not using a floor Jack on a smooth concrete surface
@michaeld.3779 beg to differ: I CONSTANTLY jack on a broken cracked old pos garage floor, or on a sunken uneven driveway. Never once have I had my floor jack not roll. He should have used a slotted 4x4 or a floor jack with an extended saddle.
@@richcombs4805 you'll get into same accident if your floor jack doesn't roll. It should roll and the uneven floor cause it to get stuck and will the cause the pucks to tilt. What you believe is very wrong and you should listen to what @michaeld.3779 posted.
@@richcombs4805 He's right, you are not.
I think what @@richcombs4805 meant was that not once has his floor jack gotten stuck because of pos garage floors. I think you guys read his comment wrong?
I would say it was a combination of all of these factors. You might get away with it a couple of times, but of course, if your surface is poor and you're using x2 pucks with an unsuitable Jack with the back of the car raised high meaning more of the cars weight is now at the front
Props to you for at least posting the incident and then clarifying later. Everyone makes mistakes when doing their own work at home; just have to learn from them. I’ve definitely had my fair share over the years with my old Cobra’s lol.
Appreciate you.
Exactly. Way to man up and own it. Everyone makes mistakes and we learn from them. That’s why most of the people are watching this video…. Hahaha.
Thanks for positing
Always better to learn from someone else's mistakes.
I use them pucks. Thanks 4 posting. Ill be extra careful in future.
Bro as soon as seen the hockey pucks I stopped watching because I knew the problem.
Hey, accidents do happen, but listening to you explain the situation was pretty funny honestly. It would be like listening to somebody after a ladder accident explain how their ladder wouldn't reach so they just stacked a few four by fours underneath the ladder legs so they could reach and then it fell. That was a painful video to watch though.
This.
Brave of you to share what happened and feel so sad for your car. Happy to see you got it repaired and you're doing well. It's indeed good to check and practice how the floor jack "slides in" and get the perfect conccrete patch before you start. And to restart the jacking session of your in doubt. But it could have happened to anyone.
Dude, thanks for the update…I agree with you. Seeing your car come down on the jack was painful. We all know how bad you felt. Keep your chin up!
Thanks bro
Thanks for posting this. This is how we all learn. Three learning points: 1) do no jack while using ramps. You can ramp one end and then eventually replace with good jack stands, but using a ramp invites rocking when jacking. It’s dangerous. 2) floor jacks are designed to roll a bit to support the load while lifting so use on smooth concrete only. If jacking on a rough surface as shown in the video, place a large piece of plywood or metal plate to allow the jack to move a bit. 3) as mentioned use the hockey pucks for playing hockey. Building yourself a dedicated extension (wood) will be more stable than free stacking found objects. Your safety and life is on the line.
Hey bro, you got off pretty well. I was inexperienced and jacked up my 500hp s15 from the front using a plank of wood to help bridge the gap between the jacking point and the jack, long story short, the plan of wood was actually dry rotted from the inside, it snapped and the jack went through my sump and ruined my oil pickup and dented my block :)))
I feel ya, I was legit depressed for a good 5 months until I repaired it. Lesson learnt
Ouch. Dam
Both of you were punished for being stupid, glad you both learned from it
If it's not rated for the lift you are doing, don't use it.
Never use wood. It can fail unexpectedly.
What you explained makes perfect sense, and yes, it is helpful to know. Just glad that you and your little assistant didn't get injured! Thanks for sharing.
When I saw that concrete, I immediately knew the reason for the accident. That's something I always have looked out for (the jack being able to roll). That had to be a sickening feeling, and I hate that your car was damaged! Looks like a sweet ride - glad you got it fixed up (even better than it was, it looks like)!
Me too, but only because of a similar experience. The concrete outdoors is usually roughed up in my country, to help wet/ice grip.
The jack is supposed to roll when jacking.
@@solowundesignsbysamdavis9043
It won't roll in that messed up uneven concrete
User error while jacking up car - Fixed the title.
lolz get em
So much respect to you for visiting this painful event
Ohh man everyday I get comments on this
I have seen bricks and pavers crush under the weight. I always use a block of wood with the grain 90 degrees to the seam
Sore lips?
Now that’s jacked up ; you called it on your concrete 😊
Thank you for explaining this accident. It's impossible to imagine every potential mishap that could happen, so you sharing this learning experience helps others.
There were so many red flags this guy decided to blatantly ignore, nah accidents like this don't happen to anyone, this takes a special amount of careless disregard to common sense safety practices
It takes a lot for a man to admit his mistakes. It takes even more to share that mistake with the world. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING YOUR FELLOW MAN first.
lolz he did none of those things, he's all like" I totally did it right omg. it was textbook let me show you!"
The cause was that your rear was in the air. It actually shifts quite a bit of weight to the already heavy front when you tip it forward.
That and where he went isnt the actual pinch weld, well at least not the one for lifting!! By the looks of it im pretty sure the pinchweld youd actually lift the car from would be under the side skirts, which means go 1 foot in more from where he though the pinch weld is and boom the strongest point of the car THE FRAME
You have no clue what you're talking 😂
@skliros I'm sorry that you failed physics class.
@@dumpjeep keep trying bud 🤣 you'd have to lift the rear a few feet to get any significant weight shift to the front.
@@skliros9235 lol the fucker missed the lift point, and was on it with a janky hockey puck stack for some reason. He also didn’t align the jack properly. No idea where he got the confidence to just start pumping that thing up.
You’re both half right on the rear being lifted idea… the weight being shifted is not the problem. The pucks would have slipped regardless, and he wasn’t even on a seam. The weight transfer toward the front is pretty minimal, it’s the fact the rear axle is fixed at its location relative to others on the car… this means you create a force line when you go to lift it with the jack, sliding the car with deltic deflection
I appreciate your video because you showed how the” pad” part of the jack doesn’t rise straight up. It moves in a slight arch. This is why the jack has wheels not just to move the jack around the shop. When jacking from the ends the vehicle can move an inch or so back towards the jack or the jack itself may roll a bit as the car is raised. With that thought in mind keep in mind that any pieces you add to the jack’s pad might move. For those hating on this guy for already doing what he did we all saw the issue but thanks for driving it home. Anyone else who watches this from now on, just remember what the lesson is here, or……buy a jack with a height adjustable pad and make sure the pad is centred on the point it contacts the vehicle.
Thank you for showing this mistake. I learned from it, for sure. My take away is the reminder to be very careful when jacking up an auto, and don't let your guard down. Learning from others' mistakes is much cheaper than learning from your own.
I feel for you in every way. Especially working on old rotten cars. It's why I never even trust jackpoints on older vehicles, I go straight to the frame if I can, and if it's too low, I ramp that shit. Half the time anymore I don't even use jacks, just use small gradual profile ramps if I can get away with it.
i have to say, everytime i try to jack my car up or see anyone do it...i relive this clip over and over...thanks for revisiting and explaining what happened Mr Gosling
Dude!!!!! Amazing Analysis... This tells me I don't have to worry about jacking my car up in that location. Just as long as my jack + gadget do not slip I am ok! Thanks for the demonstration.
Wow that jack setup was way worse than I thought. That's exactly what happens when you buy gimmick tools & don't buy the right tool for the job in the first place.
Exactly
Also the GSF Jack point is located at the front of the car. If he read page 394 of his user manual he would of known that you Jack the car up directly in front or directly behind the car.
Thank you for making this video SIR!
I've got 2 Hydraulic Floor jacks, but I'll be using my 3 scissor-jacks next time!
thank you for ending the video two seconds before it happened😅
it always hurts to watch it again
So painful to see lol
lol hockey pucks are made to slid.
I had a guy working at the tire store put a jack under my Mustang without looking under the car and began trying to jack it up by the rocker panel instead of the correct location, I was watching him and told him to stop probably avoiding severe damage, As it was it still put a minor crease under the rocker panel, and there is no such thing as a good dent regardless where it's located.
Happened to my wife's Mustang as well. She got new tires installed. Didn't notice the damage until it was too late.
Audi Tech here. I couldn't help but show this video to my coworkers, 3 of which are Master Guild Techs. All agreed this whole f* up was in fact your fault. They didn't bother to watch the whole video because they were simply bad mouthing your decision to use two damn shims AND an adapter to lift your car. You did provide a good laugh though.
This comment is a couple years late but thats TH-cam for ya. Hope you learned from this mistake. Honestly, you should have simply contacted your local dealership and asked what the Techs there use to lift your car. We have DIY customers who call in for simple questions like this, not often of course but they do call.
When I first saw the video I had all the sympathy in the woworld for you! Thanks for the explanation. Much respect to you fellow Lexus peep! You have a Beautiful Lexus ISF
Gsf
This was crazy to watch man. I'm glad you made this video because it shows the reality of what is possible using jacks. I don't care how many times I use jacks and stands, I'm still nervous for my safety, my car and will these things hold the car up each time.
First time seeing the update. Don't like the pucks, but i get it. I would drive in nose first on a set of race ramps. Nice and long, low clearance no problem. Then you can jack the rear with a block of wood at the diff. and slide in some Esco flat top jack stands at your non pinch weld factory lift points. You need a quickjack, they're money. If you can change only one thing, buy a Daystar KU31002.
Thanks for sharing.
Props to you for explaining it! I legit just parted out my lancer on the grass and had a floor jack, I was so scared that this would happen!
Damn my heart hurt when I watched this. Glad it’s all fixed now! Funny thing is even the dog knew something was about to happen lol
Thanks for sharing this. Ive always used a hockey puck with a groove dremmeled/sawed out. Been going on 20 years with no issues.
Keep on learning as you go along. Accept constructive criticism and rightly call out the ones that are haters. Your videos are appreciated as there really isn't a boat load of GS DIY videos on TH-cam.
Yes sir. It sucks that that Had happened but i definitely learned form it
You can learn so much until it kills you one day, so don't want too many learning opportunities
Use wood blocks, they aren’t slippery like aluminum and hockey pucks. But really this shows how, in some ways, car design has gone backwards.
It's not car design that's the problem it's stupid people who mods and lower their cars way too low then factory height this is the reason I don't lower my car I keep it stock height makes it easier going over speed bumps too don't really care if it's doesn't look as good as a lower car but least it's more practical.
Never use wood, wood can split and suddenly fail.
@@ejrocket9260 Used properly wood is super tough, while having enough ‘give’ to bite into odd shapes.
It makes' me laugh every time I see young drivers in their lowered BMW'S suddenly break to go over speed humps making that awful scraping noise as they gingerly move over the bump.@@abcwarrior91
@@ejrocket9260have you watch hydraulic crush videos before? WOOD always wins!
Glad you posted your video of what happened.
Watching the video of the mishap, I have to say I shared the "OH SH*T!" moment you must have had, but of course many times removed.
My first thought was that you had unfortunately picked the wrong spot to jack up the vehicle.
Kudos to you for explaining what happened, and possibly saving someone else from the same sort of accident.
On my worst days and when i believe it couldnt possibly get any worse in my life, i always come back here to be reminded that you really f'd up here. Thanks
Glad I could help
This is great info! Thanks for sharing. Was interested in the GSF but I think I'll stick with a used GS350 after prices settle down.
I have a 2008 GS350 AWD. Great car. Very reliable. I have about 260k miles on it right now and still going strong with just routine maintenance. Never any major problems.
I'm sorry, man, but you are not mechanically inclined, which doesn't mean you are a bad person. Make money some other way and take your cars to a shop.
Good for you for talking about this. I’ve seen it 100 times around the web - it’s good to know that inters just the side skirt that was damaged… most of the clips I’ve seen are cropped and edited so that it looks like you did structural damage.
Anyway, the great attitude is refreshing to see - thank you!
When this guy says, hold my beer, I'll jack your car up, and you go under it's safe, don't.
I had to look at this really close. I'm like "posted 9 hours ago"!! This is an old video. You went VIRAL AF bro!! STILL hurts to watch that 😭😭
Yea did an update vid
Hey, my respects to you for not only showing what went wrong but videoing how it went wrong. Many do not show their flaws or shortfalls. But just as important, you may very well have saved someone else some heartache.
1:07 explains it all. Use the cross member and differential. You were better off using a block of wood.
Accidents happen no matter how much careful you are.
Thanks for sharing your experience. This will help us diy’ers to be more aware
Accidents do happen. Would've been a costly repair
You should buy the proper stuff. That jack is nice and works great, harbor freight makes good shit for the “MONEY!” (Meaning best of the cheap shit) You have an expensive car, spend some money next time and buy a jack with locking jack height extenders. Solid connection. If I jacked up any of my cars it must be positive connection 100%. Those pucks are shit in my opinion, they should only be used 1 at a time, (never stacked) or when a vehicle is being lifted all four corners at once to avoid an extreme angle. (Never stacked as well) That angle was created by the car leaning to one side and it slipped off. Still your fault in my book!!! Lesson learned!!!!
He has an automated jack system now.
I would hope so, especially after that happening. Could have been much worse. Let’s say he was under that car. His wife would have found him, GOD FORBID! So many men are found dead under cars! Don’t like horror stories! If you work on your car, have the proper equipment and read constantly about cribbing/ blocking/jacking/or lifting up vehicles properly.
Part of the reason I always put plywood under the jack and the side skirts so it has an even surface to roll across as I jack it up
Nice video very entertaining
Thanks man
Thanks for sharing your experience. Lifting a car is so dangerous. Having an accident a long time ago taught me how many things can go wrong
Still feeling with your hands is not as definitive as just using your eyes and watching as the vehicle goes up. Since you felt with your hands and not looked with your eyes it’s clear it slipped off the pucks because you probably didn’t have it centred enough on the pucks.
The correct answer to the question “why did I use hockey pucks” is “because I’m an idiot” 🤣
Hey at least the video got you millions of views on multiple platforms.
That’s true
Props for the explanation, but you're still a knucklehead for doing it that way! Your floor sucks, your jack sucks and using 3 separate items expecting them to stay together in one line is crazy in the least... Level and epoxy your floor, get a good jack with a removeable top disc, and make an attachment that drops into the jacks hole that's one solid piece which then aligns into your pinch welds. Easy peasy, it's not easy being cheesy...
Stance family problems, definitely a challenging car to lift. Stay safe my dude. Maybe consider getting an electronic scissor jack. Or use an impact wrench on a regular scissor jack for ease of use.
Thanks for the explanation. I hate jacking up newer cars
I still think a variable was the rear was on a ramp stand as well. As for the difficulty getting to the pinch weld in that case you could have just jacked it off one of the front or rear axle points fixed structures etc
Yea rear being up didn't help
I use scissor lift to get access to good lifting point first, then Jack stands. Two hockey pucks is crazy.
Damn that pause after the jack was pulled out.... felt that. Poor guy.
The visual and the sound still hurt my soul! lol
Mine too
This was good lesson. I command this guy for uploading this video. He's going to save lives for guys who don't know that doing all this stuff could kill you. Back in the day, these types of incidents used to send people off to the "great blue yonder." You might could've use a bottle jack to get that perfect 90-degree lift. Jacks with wheels have to slip or roll every time it lifts/extends. But using 2 pucks was diabolically "three stooges". Also your car on those plastic ramps should have some jack stands somewhere just in case. You need to put a pad down under those wheel jacks, so they can roll with weight on them (like hard wood). In the 1990s, "pinch wells" are meant to lift up that one wheel and with scissor jacks or some jack that has the slot. Pinch wells are used on cheaply made (luxury non-utility) cars. Good cars have a good 3+ inches of flat frame for you to jack up.
I Totally Remember this, My Heart just Drop
An excellent explanation my friend! That was the thing I was watching as you jacked the car, the back wheels of the jack were not turning straight and moving forward as it should. It's quite evident in the video the jack remained stationary as you pumped it up. I feel so bad for you.
Don't listen to the haters, they are idiots who do not have a nice GSF like you! I saw the first video. Keep up the good work!
Thank you lam
Always if using jack exatenions/hockey pucks always ensure that they bolt down onto the actual jack pad or some locking mechanism that provides a mechanical bond. Burton the bright side it wasn’t a failure it was just another life lesson, ad I can tell by your demeanor you understand that concept. Great video this will teach/ save millions. Keep it up!!
Still your fault buddy. Your way off center in the other video plus this video. 2:56 that’s why it slipped off. Don’t blame anyone but yourself
Ok buddy thanjs
That’s exactly what I noticed🤣
Respect to you for showing the lesson learned. Painful experience. Multiple issues involved: 1. rough underground preventing free movement (automatic alignment) of the trolley jack, 2. never use intermediary pieces that are not securely held/anchored to the jack and vehicle, i.e. prevented from vertical AND lateral displacement. The vehicle weight (compressive load) will not prevent lateral movement (shear), so the pucks/attachments can easily be 'pressed' out of position, 3. wrong jack. If the jack will not fit without using multiple loose lifting attachments/inserts, a different jack should be used, e.g. hydraulic bottle jack, scissor jack, air jack etc. Again, it's important that people don't point fingers, but understand the lesson. As the car is lifted by the jack, it changes lateral position (more, or less, depending on the amount of lift, type of suspension system and wheel size etc.), and 'pulls' on the jack. Trolley jacks follow the movement. Solid jacks compensate by leaning. Air jacks flex. Ideal is a trolley jack with good wheels on a solid smooth surface, or an air jack.
We live, learn and grow. Keep up the good content brother 🤙
So...what do you use to jack up the car now?
Thanks man.
Congratulations on the Baby and on the new ride!!!
@@BulletsGarage 🙏 thanks brother
Great video! I am curious if you have come up with a better way to jack your car up.
FWIW, it totally makes sense that the pucks might slip before the jack moved. Really depends on the friction force between the pucks vs the friction forces at the jack wheels.
Yes, I agree with your analysis.
Thank you i
yah me too lolz totally not user error
Lol @ this guy thinking that his idiotic setup is somehow less stupid than jacking the car up by the side skirt! Of course it slid off the jack.
Still the big mistake is not using his eyes and watching the car underneath as he jacks up. I don’t care how good you are get on the ground double triple check jack slowly. This guy just started pumping the jack so fast and the cracking noise was not his ramps that was the car 100%.
thanks for this tip. i'm not going to jack up my car on my driveway anymore, because my driveway is filled with cracks and holes and uneven places
Damn dude I feel the pain! Every time I jack my truck or cars up! I make sure that it moves and rolls when it needs to! Be safe, hopefully people who seen this vid learned a valuable lesson
Another TH-camr showed how his truck he just finished restoring fell off the improvised wood block spacers he used with his 2-post lift for a similar reach issue. These things happen even if nothing happened the last 100 times before. It is just a dangerous thing. Good on you to put your mistakes out there. We've all had lucky near misses that could have turned out bad like yours but never had opportunity to share or even recorded them.
Great video, glad ya got it fixed up. My buddy told me about this and said if I keep using a puck it’s going to dry rot and fail me one day:/ so I’ve been using wood but don’t know what else I could try. Since I know wood will dry rot aswell but shows signs easier
Glad I ran into this video lol sorry that happened to you it really does suck. Something similar happened to me but I was under the car 😅
I feel your pain! I did something similar to my C63 AMG! BTW, did your insurance cover the damage?
Thank you for this explanation. I just bought a Dayona 3 ton floor jack and needed to see this.
Thank you for sharing the details about the failure. It definitely helps others avoid the issue.
Thanks alot for the video. I had those vehicle ramps slip underneath my car as I was driving it up one day. The car fell and I heard a loud thud. I was so worried I damaged something but luckily the car wasn't damaged to my suprise. Now I just ask my brother to help me with that.
Did the jack come with the two hockey pucks? Not sure I’ve seen them before 🤔 they usually have a big rubber pad on that section. I’d use a nice big chunk of wood next time pal then it’s less likely to slip. The metal of the jack and car dig in to the wood and help keep it in place. A solid plastic puck, especially two stacked, was always going to slip. Even if it went up, you could have gotten under there and then it slipped off when knocked or with any force of you trying to remove bolts from under the car. Stay safe. 👍🏼
Good explanation. This all makes sense. Just a miscalculation on how the uneven floor affected the jack’s ability to roll. I will learn this lesson from you. Thanks…
My guy has a $60,000 car and is using 2 hockey pucks lmfao cmon bruh buy the actual adapter.
Great video hope the car wouldn't damage too much keep up the good work thank you for educating us
Hmm did u see the black hockey puck?? It's all busted apart....hockey pucks aren't meant hold and support a weight of a vehicle.....
For anybody new watching this,
1) get a jack that has the different height attachments.
2) The pucks are smooth and dont grab. If you look at the contact point on a jack, it has teeth that grab and the cars pinch point grabs and pulls the jack in as its going up. Hence why they recommend using pinch points. Obviously, using the pinch points is not always reliable or sufficient. Make sure your jacks wheel rotate, make sure the surface the jack is on is relatively smooth. Make sure your jack makes good contact and can grab that contact.
Excatly.
so how do you do it now? different jack? i did mine the other day and i was stressing out lol... my jack was not moving in, and this was on pavement. it did start to move in some as it got higher, but i see people use them in gravel. and lets not even talk abut the jack stands.... mine and most have this V shape and really does not fit right on those pinch welds. thanks for sharing..
Sp sorry that these none hands on guysnare giving you hell about your (pretty much loss) I hope all goes well with the repair. I love the gs-f bro !!!!!
We all mess up stuff sometimes. You identified the issue and got it fixed which is what really counts. Most people are afraid to try.
Thanks for posting the original video. It was good laughs
There is so many bad variables to this. The rear end 7 inches higher then the front end put alot of angle shifting weight on the front. The hockey pucks were not the best idea with the pinch weld tool. Just a recipe for disaster
Wow. I can see this potentially happening to me. I so freak out everytime i lift the car im chekcing multiple times. Thanks for sharing. Curious, how much did it cost to get thebcar fixed?
You did everything right, except for using hockey pucks as your spacer. Spacers should always be 1 piece. NEVER use 3 pieces stack on top of each other on a portable lift unless you bolt all 3 pieces together. Those type of lifts tend to pull the car towards you while its lifting the car. Causing the spacers to slip apart. I would never use hockey pucks on a jack anyway. They are naturally designed to be slippery and slide 😂. I use hard rubber lift blocks because they have high friction and grip and don't slip. If I have no rubber lift blocks, then I use hard wood blocks because the pinch point on the car will put an indention in the wood and cause it to lock in place and resist slipping. Sorry if you already heard this before. I didn't read all the comments. 👍