$20 vs $2000 Car Jacks

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  • @Donut
    @Donut  ปีที่แล้ว +284

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    • @Vortex001_MLG
      @Vortex001_MLG ปีที่แล้ว +8

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    • @jordanimatedstreaming
      @jordanimatedstreaming ปีที่แล้ว +3

      i own a pair of vessi's and i like them. non-slip and waterproof. i wear it as a winter sneaker. actual W sponsor.

    • @badguysrulez6655
      @badguysrulez6655 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Dare you to drop something on your foot. I know u need sponsors but don't were these in the shop

    • @AlexR_44
      @AlexR_44 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Those look like really comfortable practical shoes, but did you see the prices? They're roughly three times what I would consider a fair price for something like that. Especially since they don't seem to be available in stores, which means their overhead is minimal and their greed maximal.
      Good thing my feet are waterproof. 😅

    • @newchannel1220
      @newchannel1220 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      public announcement for hyundai KIA genesis owner.
      Jan. 31, 2023-Two of America's largest insurance providers, Progressive and State Farm, refuse to cover older Hyundai and Kia models. According to reports, the insurers say that some models of these two auto brands are too easy to steal in certain cities.9

  • @NorthOntarian
    @NorthOntarian ปีที่แล้ว +6063

    never thought i would see a whole video with the donut crew just jackin it

    • @lilbacon7777
      @lilbacon7777 ปีที่แล้ว +204

      comment of the year

    • @fdottieforreal
      @fdottieforreal ปีที่แล้ว +213

      Was really hoping they would call this something like the “2023 Donut Media Jack 0ff” but that might not make it past the censors 😅

    • @tbr48842
      @tbr48842 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      All of our dreams come true, right? 😂

    • @tbr48842
      @tbr48842 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@fdottieforreal tshirt idea!

    • @NorthOntarian
      @NorthOntarian ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@tbr48842 donut media... Just jacking it

  • @drac116
    @drac116 ปีที่แล้ว +323

    Unrelated to jacks but wanted to thank you guys. As a first time car owner my '09 Yaris is starting to show it's mileage and your channel gave me the confidence and knowledgebase of the basics to diagnose and make some recent repairs myself. Cost me $100 in parts instead of the $500+ total a mechanic quoted me for.

    • @TheUrbanOutdoorsmen
      @TheUrbanOutdoorsmen ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Good on you man! About 15 years ago I decided that if it was cheaper to buy the tools and parts than what a mechanic quoted me, I’d just buy tools and do it myself instead. Now I’m confident that I can fix anything (outside the ECU) that comes up with my cars AND I have a garage FULL of tools to get the job done. It wasn’t always easy by any measure but I love solving problems and the personal satisfaction of doing my own repairs is priceless.

    • @z-trip5457
      @z-trip5457 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Those 2nd gen Yaris' are so damn tough. That 1.5 wont give out anytime soon either.

    • @peachyclean93
      @peachyclean93 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh I'm sure it keeps you busy my Toyota keeps me busy worst car I've ever owned I'll never buy another one ever again

  • @jimsiggy
    @jimsiggy ปีที่แล้ว +1186

    Just to be fair, some bottle jacks do come with telescoping rams, therefore have a much more useful range than your test item. Also, I think it's worth mentioning that bottle jacks usually have much higher weight capacity than other comparably sized jacks.

    • @MayorZach
      @MayorZach ปีที่แล้ว +65

      @@BruceLortzHI When I was jacking up floor joists and crawling under houses, every one of our bottle jacks that wasn't stored upright would leak at the very least. You're absolutely correct, the cheaper the jack, the more likely it's gonna leak so you have to store them upright.

    • @iviaverick52
      @iviaverick52 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      I use a bottle jack to lift my F250 Powerstroke regularly. They work great, just gotta make sure to use jack stands to stay safe.

    • @JonP_4-31inf
      @JonP_4-31inf ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Bottle jack club! I got a small one and a big one. Oh and one built into this sweet riding lawnmower lift.

    • @MIAPhilly
      @MIAPhilly ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Agreed, 33 bucks means you get what you get.

    • @Angrynood
      @Angrynood ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@MIAPhilly Honestly, if they spent any kind of decent cash on the low-end products, they might have something useful. I'm not just talking about this video, but about old videos too.

  • @krzysztofczarnecki8238
    @krzysztofczarnecki8238 ปีที่แล้ว +147

    The rubber pneumatic ones are commonly used in tire shops, because they are really fast, and there already has to be a decently-sized compressor at a tire shop anyways. There is also a version that has a wider actuator and an "X" shaped platform to lift the entire car. I've also seen those actuators used to make earthquake simulators.

    • @TheWinjin
      @TheWinjin ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Interestingly every shop I've been at in CIS countries uses floor jacks - I think it's because they're easier to manuever, without the air, and less parts to worry about. Though honestly they believe in these too much, I've never seen something like a jack stand that was shown in the beginning of the vid. They just leave cars hanging on those jacks, though these are only used for tire swaps, no one is under the car at that moment. But if it fails, the car can totally drop on the floor.

    • @siriusgray3579
      @siriusgray3579 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@TheWinjin old good practice is to put something like old tire next to the jack so if anything goes sideways car will not hit the floor.
      and if you are going to work under the car always use jack stands, a good ones that are hard to topple or release by accident.

  • @kangarutan1915
    @kangarutan1915 ปีที่แล้ว +313

    Honestly, I love Jerry. His sense of humor just hits me every time.

    • @tunerimpala5658
      @tunerimpala5658 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      You got a simple sense of humor

    • @Fluffy_g3
      @Fluffy_g3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tunerimpala5658 better than random = funny humour

    • @matthewcox1639
      @matthewcox1639 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Call it as it is… simple. He gets me too.

    • @SpaceMissile
      @SpaceMissile ปีที่แล้ว +1

      10:59 is a perfect example. 😅

    • @kangarutan1915
      @kangarutan1915 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SpaceMissile That's the exact moment that prompted this comment...hahaha

  • @Atlas.Brooklyn
    @Atlas.Brooklyn ปีที่แล้ว +451

    Nolan and Jerry are awesome hosts. Nolan in particular is really underappreciated.

    • @blowyourmind81
      @blowyourmind81 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Don't worry be pickle

    • @nesbittracing1081
      @nesbittracing1081 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Underappreciated? How? Everyone loves the milk boi

    • @BubbaGumpShrimpss
      @BubbaGumpShrimpss ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Nolan must have written this

    • @Snoo42
      @Snoo42 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@BubbaGumpShrimpss definitely his alt account no one can convince me otherwise

    • @pidscalnybrad
      @pidscalnybrad ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Nolan, that your alt account ?

  • @chadjones1266
    @chadjones1266 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Nitpick about the bottle jack: the pressure on both pistons is the same (except the actual stroke time you're pumping). The areas are different, that's why the force is different. Force = Pressure x Area.

    • @lasskinn474
      @lasskinn474 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      nitpick about the pitboss one, if you just scale both of pistons bigger you also need to move more fluid, but if pitboss just has a longer stroke for the smaller surface area plunger that would work out.

    • @blahorgaslisk7763
      @blahorgaslisk7763 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@lasskinn474 Longer stroke or a larger diameter of the smaller piston. Both means the volume of oil pumped with a single stroke increases and the lift cylinder will move more. This is true for both the bottle jacks and the garage jacks. But for a garage jack there's yet another way to change the lift speed as you can change the geometry for how the lift piston is connected to the lift arm. By connecting the cylinder closer to the hinge, or by making the arm longer the lift height can be increased without changing the distance the piston moves. Anyway you change these parameters it will get heavier to operate.
      There are garage jacks that have two pump cylinders. When both are engaged the arm will move twice as much as when only one is engaged. That way you can raise the jack quickly so it get contact with the car. Then when it get's heavy to pump one pump piston is disconnected and it will halve the resistance making it easier to lift the car, but it will also only lift it half the as much with each pump of the handle.

    • @kasuraga
      @kasuraga ปีที่แล้ว

      @@blahorgaslisk7763 thanks for explaining that. I always wondered how twin piston floor jacks did the rapid rise without making the actual lifting an impossible feat

  • @Diccb69
    @Diccb69 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Some bottle jacks have the top unscrewable, they have inside a threaded metal bar that if you unscew it will go out and make them a bit higher. I don't know if the threads will fail under load but for a roadside wheel change it should act better than scissor jacks. That being said, after my main jack failed and my car was stranded on stands, I got one of these and added some hockey pucks and it worked perfectly to get my car back on road.

  • @Cammi_Rosalie
    @Cammi_Rosalie ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My '90 Dodge B-250 Van, (The older cousin to your yellow Dodge van) Still has the bumper jack. Yeah, The old style type that you would put the foot plate on, stand it up, insert into a slot on the bumper and lever it up/down. But my van is a conversion van with the high roof and the lower body skirting. That lower skirting pretty much hides the frame rails way up under there.
    - To those who have never used one, be warned: Make DAMN SURE that they are straight, and when levering on the handle, there will be a part of the stroke where you are bearing weight. Don't let go of the handle! That sumbitch will swing up with speed and nail you right in the (whatever is in it's path) The nice thing about them is that you don't have to crawl on the ground at the side of the car (potentially the side facing traffic) to use them. You just stand up at the front or rear bumper and work the jack. BUT If not positioned right they can fall over. And if they fall toward the car, you're getting a massive dent or losing a light! But I like them way better than the newer scissor jacks. Again, I don't have to crawl on the ground to use it.

  • @oneupper666
    @oneupper666 ปีที่แล้ว +255

    What a great combo these two are. Really balance each other well. Very funny and informative at the same time. Like everyone else on the team as well, just saying these two work well together.

    • @thenuclearcreeperYT
      @thenuclearcreeperYT ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Don't Read My Profile Picture don't care

    • @jakefromstatefarm145
      @jakefromstatefarm145 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Don't Read My Profile Picture I read it haha

    • @blk_eyes2710
      @blk_eyes2710 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Any video without James is a great video tbh haha

    • @whitejtw
      @whitejtw ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thenuclearcreeperYT
      Hey for anyone scrolling by and seeing this " @Don't Read My Profile Picture" bit on these comments don't be temped to look for the profile picture.
      It just says "don't look at my video", then you are led from one thing to another until you get to an informercial for a scam pyramid scheme where you recruit people to look at ads for money.

    • @RegulerShowTV
      @RegulerShowTV ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@blk_eyes2710 whaaaat James is the best though

  • @anonymous_forester2681
    @anonymous_forester2681 ปีที่แล้ว +620

    Fun fact if you get an impact and a 19 mm socket those scissors jacks go up a lot faster 😂

    • @healthiestsickness8646
      @healthiestsickness8646 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      that’s what i use generally carry it with a battery powered impact and you are good to go, can even consider it a offroad jack if you manage to carry some woods like 4x4,6x6 or 8x8 along with some plank but can be sometime sketchy to put it all to an acceptable and safe level

    • @Owensti
      @Owensti ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Yep lol, that works so good. I always carry an impact in my truck & 2 scissor jacks. Just incase of a flat. Literally lifts in seconds.

    • @suzysuzuki8865
      @suzysuzuki8865 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      I used my half inch impact on my baby mommas and it twisted it and broke it😂

    • @backwoodstherapy
      @backwoodstherapy ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Even just a cordless drill with a socket attachment.

    • @Slicerwizard
      @Slicerwizard ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yep, for emergency field work, I use my cordless impact wrench on the stock scissor jack. Takes under ten seconds to lift a wheel. Mine needs about a 24 mm socket, IIRC.

  • @capt_ramius
    @capt_ramius ปีที่แล้ว +313

    Seeing HiTruck made me want another truck-related series.

    • @viperaaspis
      @viperaaspis ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Amen!

    • @mypdf
      @mypdf ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Would honestly prefer they build a non-truck off-road car though. Something like a G-class or Porsche Cayenne.

    • @buzzabuzza12
      @buzzabuzza12 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      something like s10s or ranger make some race mini trucks

    • @6401gabriel
      @6401gabriel ปีที่แล้ว +17

      I'm still waiting for muscle car hi/low

    • @RatBürgerSk8
      @RatBürgerSk8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It'd be cool to see them build a SCSB Colorado and Dakota into street trucks. The less popular niches of car enthusiasm need some representation too.

  • @johnphillip1711
    @johnphillip1711 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    7:53 - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE dont put concrete blocks under jacks, I've seen them shatter without warning

    • @BrayanCarmona-kr7vt
      @BrayanCarmona-kr7vt 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Concrete can take huge loads like in the 10,000 range they were perfectly fine. There's also reinforced concrete and I'm sure these guys have those blocks lying around. Reinforced concrete is rated at 15,000 pounds to 20,000 so no joke in using any jack ain't gone do anything. Lol 😂

    • @johnphillip1711
      @johnphillip1711 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@BrayanCarmona-kr7vt the keyword you are missing is "specific", loads vary in their form and how they manifest, the loads found in a wall (spread across the whole surface where the load is applied) Vs the weight of a car applied across the 4 wheels on a jack - the effect is akin to striking a wall with a shovel and striking a wall with a point chisel, the shovel won't have any effect at all, the point chisel will dig in and can cause the block to split

  • @BazzaroPlays
    @BazzaroPlays ปีที่แล้ว +16

    It would help if you guys made a video on Jack points they are important and tricky to find for new drivers.

    • @moookymookerson3229
      @moookymookerson3229 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Best spot to lift any vehicle is from directly under the front bumper

    • @oldphart-zc3jz
      @oldphart-zc3jz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@moookymookerson3229 Front bumpers capable of load bearing went away many years ago. Discrete bumpers as such are uncommon to stock street legal vehicles whose "bumper" is on many cars just an ABS cover over styrofoam.

  • @slaygoblins
    @slaygoblins ปีที่แล้ว +304

    I love Jerry. He makes every video he's in better with his goofy energy.

    • @australianwi-fi
      @australianwi-fi ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Jerry and Zach are defo my favourite hosts, I need more of them!

    • @RobertJohnson-mn4ks
      @RobertJohnson-mn4ks ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I wish they would stop trying to force us to like Nolan.

    • @NoFancyTitlesNeeded
      @NoFancyTitlesNeeded ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I initially didn’t like Jerry, but I’ve really come to like him

    • @mac6417
      @mac6417 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@RobertJohnson-mn4ks Nolan’s just living man, wyt u on

    • @Atlas.Brooklyn
      @Atlas.Brooklyn ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@RobertJohnson-mn4ks wtf do you mean? By "forcing us to like him" you mean hes simply in the videos and you dislike it? Ok

  • @rjmahar6752
    @rjmahar6752 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    I do inspection stickers on cars and using those balloon style jacks is a game changer. It saves so much time and is definitely the best option for a shop.

    • @XepherXV
      @XepherXV ปีที่แล้ว

      i use the same jack in my van for mobile detailing/oil , the jacks can be taken apart and stores real small, its perfect for it. the only thing i dont like is by nature of me storing it in a van, actually decompressing the boot can be a real challenge, quite a few times ive had to stand/jump on it while holding the release so that it goes down far enough to slide into its lil hole in my van

  • @EliotHochberg
    @EliotHochberg ปีที่แล้ว +14

    You guys said that the electric scissor jack could only be used for bigger vehicles, but when I looked it up, you don’t need to use that pin to lift up a vehicle, it works just like every other scissor jack, so unless you’ve got a really low car under 6 inches, or the one I saw or 5.5 inches, I don’t think you have a problem. It goes under pretty much the same vehicles as the manual scissor jack I think.

  • @sonnymurphy9839
    @sonnymurphy9839 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    Love the video! The pneumatic bag jack is like the little brother to the Paratech multi force lift bag carried on our heavy rescue. Rated for 31 tons, they’re super easy to deploy and are max effective.

    • @Adam-hp5hj
      @Adam-hp5hj ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The reason it's unstable is because the max lift is ridiculous and doesn't rely on cribbing

    • @TheBiggestCorn
      @TheBiggestCorn 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Adam-hp5hjhuh

  • @mohamadkhan9899
    @mohamadkhan9899 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    The scissor jack he used in this demonstration is pretty cool. I noticed that on my car, has the same jack and instead of using the tool to turn and have the jack rise, I use my impact gun and my 21mm and it shoots right up in no time 👏🏽.

    • @suspectfisherman2227
      @suspectfisherman2227 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah, I do essentially the same thing. I have found that it doesn't take much to strip the threads out on those guys though. A couple years ago I bought a handful of used scissor jacks off of Facebook marketplace and modified them though, removed the threaded rod that was in there and replaced it with a much harder acme threaded rod, drilled some holes in that base piece so I could mount all of them onto 2 by 10s for a wider base support, and then welded on a custom threaded receiver that I made so I could thread on different sized lifting pucks (I made all of those too) for different types of vehicles. I use those when working on vehicles for side cash and I would be willing to bet I could have all 4 wheels off of the ground and ready for axle stands in less time than it took Nolan to raise the car with a normal scissor jack.

    • @dorkofages35
      @dorkofages35 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I just posted the same question and then saw this comment. Glad to know it works out as I have been thinking it would :)

  • @aquilafasciata5781
    @aquilafasciata5781 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Used to work at a lube shop, used pneumatic airbag jacks several times a day, and they work super well (at least, when you do proper maintenance). Definitely my favorite when it comes to floor jacks.

    • @Rudy97
      @Rudy97 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And in truck shops there are hydraulic jacks with a pneumatic pump. Looks the same, as easy to use but instead of a bag they have a ram.

    • @kurtownsj00
      @kurtownsj00 ปีที่แล้ว

      I hope they have thinner options, the one in the video looked like a thicc boi to get under most smaller cars...let alone dropped suspension cars.

  • @coonyman10
    @coonyman10 ปีที่แล้ว +103

    Shoutout to the editors, they always sneak in neat little jokes and sfx. I'm a big fan of the zelda noises lol.

    • @jrbarrera101
      @jrbarrera101 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can also hear the Mario party Start around 0:50

    • @rickjames5998
      @rickjames5998 ปีที่แล้ว

      bro these were mario noises.

    • @undrdog5204
      @undrdog5204 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rickjames5998 there are both my guy

  • @Hath.0
    @Hath.0 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I think the manual scissor jack is superior for daily drivers and lowered road cars. Especially the one with the hex bolt head for lifting. Lightweight, take up little space, easy to use, will fit under lowered cars, no hydraulic fluid to leak, cheap to replace. I've used them as wheel chocks by laying them sideways, to position front control arms when doing ball joints, and to raise/lower rear arms when doing suspension. Helps when space it limited and a full size jack impedes works space. I ended up replacing the correctly named vw "widow maker" jacks in my older cars.

  • @jamesprice2163
    @jamesprice2163 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I love how the electric scissor jack took into consideration that some people have crapboxes and the cigarette lighters dont work so they included a kit to hook it to the battery ... If i didn't have a floor jack id consider buying one lol

  • @frequentlycynical642
    @frequentlycynical642 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That tall iron off road jack is a Hi-Lift, not just Lift. Their heritage goes back to the old Conestoga wagons. One thing it is very good at that the air jack can't do, is lift one end of the vehicle with the jack in the middle, left to right. When both wheels clear the ground, one can then push to vehicle to the side to firmer ground. The jack just falls to the side.
    Mandatory for off roading.

  • @iLupi
    @iLupi ปีที่แล้ว +51

    I'm surprised a QuickJack wasn't also used for a comparison. That rubber jack was pretty neat!

  • @gabemitchell4477
    @gabemitchell4477 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    I love the new content. But I’m gonna admit, I really miss Donut from about a year ago. I loved the different shows. Wheelhouse, B2B, Money Pit, Up To Speed, and D-List were a great week of content every week. And then bonus stuff like Hi/Low made it perfect

    • @naveepenniman8649
      @naveepenniman8649 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I understand. The new stuff is cool and all, but where as I use to learn a stuff from these. Now it kinda just seems it's entertainment based.

    • @freepalestineuntilitsbackw2391
      @freepalestineuntilitsbackw2391 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah I totally agree

    • @CaliViking8O5
      @CaliViking8O5 ปีที่แล้ว

      A year ago they were sticking blood in engines. You mean 2 years ago

    • @RatBürgerSk8
      @RatBürgerSk8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      They've changed their content after The Drive acquired them in late 2021. To me the content feels much more sterile and corporate.

    • @obeseperson
      @obeseperson ปีที่แล้ว +7

      THEY LITERALLY JUST HAD A HI/LO SERIES BRO YOU GONNA HAVE TO WAIT A FUCKIN WHILE FOR ANOTHER

  • @ItsAlex58
    @ItsAlex58 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    5:50 he threw it back with this one 🤣😎

  • @mgunter
    @mgunter ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Surprised you didn't get an actual NASCAR pit crew to help with The Daytona 500 coming up.

  • @brucemoyle7610
    @brucemoyle7610 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Since the test scenario was changing a wheel on the road, I'd have liked to see the air jack operated from the kind of tyre compressor you carry in the boot. Lift time would probably come down to a similar time to the scissor jack.
    I still prefer the vertical-threaded jack from my old Rover. Smooth as butter to use.

  • @michaelclark6433
    @michaelclark6433 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Ahhhh yes, my favorite show to watch while laying in bed battling depression.

    • @ohandanotheronebitesthedus6247
      @ohandanotheronebitesthedus6247 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Get up out that bed an get a wash and tell lifes problems to go f themselves you got this 👌 i had 3 rules for depression 1.change it if you cant 2. Leave it if you cant 3. Accept it

    • @rojhaimcleod2922
      @rojhaimcleod2922 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Kick ass bro. You can beat it.

    • @theharminatorable
      @theharminatorable ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Stay strong brother

    • @Adrian_Nel
      @Adrian_Nel ปีที่แล้ว

      @Michael Clark. Hang in there. Remember, enjoying the occasional happy moment versus the delusion of chasing constant, total happiness is the answer. And the answer to EVERYTHING is balance. I hope you find yours.

    • @thelawfamilyproduction329
      @thelawfamilyproduction329 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Keep going bud. You will get out of it. Get a hobby to keep yourself busy

  • @greatheightsu
    @greatheightsu ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks to Jeremiah's influence(5:17) I have finally quit cigarettes.
    Thank you Donut Media.

  • @jonmccravy
    @jonmccravy ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Scissor jack with a cordless impact is the way to go. It's usually the same size as your lug nuts too so it makes the whole process super fast.

  • @robertshields2025
    @robertshields2025 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Your differences in suspension travel invalidates the recorded times.

  • @ЭдиРина
    @ЭдиРина ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Your film making and production skills are something beyond everything! This is some WOOOOW production!

  • @Buddy0391
    @Buddy0391 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    So glad yall are still making videos got worried with the gaps that started happening between them.

    • @Camell513
      @Camell513 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yuhh yese gaps are sus

    • @RJBond121
      @RJBond121 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Sometimes channels have to scrap a video for a variety of reasons and it can screw with the upload schedule.

    • @dillonvillon
      @dillonvillon ปีที่แล้ว +7

      the hi lo subies set them back several thousand dollars lol

    • @pprb123
      @pprb123 ปีที่แล้ว

      I blame that silly V8 model build that took them forever. Or maybe they took vacation after the new year

    • @cenciende9401
      @cenciende9401 ปีที่แล้ว

      Your comment doesn't make any sense. Of course there are gaps between videos, THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE MAKING THE DAMN VIDEOS. Worried? About what? You think they're just going to quit? Do you realise how crazy of an idea that is? 'let's just quit our jobs and not make money anymore...'

  • @schoolForAnts
    @schoolForAnts ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Also, Pro tip - Use a ratchet, or better yet and electric wrench, on a scissor jack. Obviously only on jacks that have a hex head and not those weird ones with a loop/hook thing.

    • @Shalmaneser1
      @Shalmaneser1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Careful! Some screw-type setups can't take the torque. For example, some makes of spring compressors have plastic internals. Yikes~!

    • @Slicerwizard
      @Slicerwizard ปีที่แล้ว +1

      With a bit of loop grinding, you can use a ~24mm socket on the loop. Strictly for infrequent emergency use.

    • @Jose-sy1je
      @Jose-sy1je ปีที่แล้ว

      Are scissor jacks safe to use?

    • @Shalmaneser1
      @Shalmaneser1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Jose-sy1je Depends on your perspective. There are hundreds of millions in place, being the go-to of all the manufacturers. Now, used improperly, almost any jack will try to kill you. Too much slope (wheel chocks???), improperly placed, etc.

    • @Jose-sy1je
      @Jose-sy1je ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Shalmaneser1 So what are you supposed to do if a road is uneven or has a strong slope? These scissor jacks look like they could just fall over and don't seem that solid

  • @SCFick318
    @SCFick318 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Haven't watched Donut for a couple years. Wow, Jerry has really come into his own; gives me Norm Macdonald vibes and I love it.

    • @Dayglowvista
      @Dayglowvista 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm getting some major Tom DeLonge vibes.

  • @frasercrone3838
    @frasercrone3838 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have worked with jacks all my life as a mechanic and what jack you use depends on how often you have to use it and what is the situation you have to use it in. You would not buy a $2000 Nascar Jack to take a wheel of once or twice a year and you would not lug it around in your car in case you had to change a flat tyre. The exhaust lift "bull Bag" was developed more for beach and sandy track use where normal jacks got pushed into the sand. the scissor jack is cheap and works well most of the time for flat tyres out on the road. Trolley jacks, bottle jacks, and air bag jacks are best for workshop environments. Now what type of jack you use dictates where you lift the vehicle from. Lifting the vehicle via the body or chassis needs a high lift jack. You can use a short lift bottle jack for what you did if you put it under the suspensions lowest point for the wheel you are lifting because its travel will lift the wheel no problem. Electric jacks are a toy and should be banned. With my 4wd I hunted out two old fashioned 3 ton two stage spiral screw jacks because they are solid and simple and strong and act as a jack stand when placed properly. They disappeared because they were heavy and expensive compared to scissor jacks'. You don't only use jacks to remove a wheel when working on a vehicle and sometimes you need very accurate and predictable movement and that is where hydraulic bottle jacks and spiral screw jacks come into their own if they have a very high mechanical advantage that translates as slow and easy movement. finally the most jacking accidents I have witnessed have been with flat tyres out on the road with people trying to lift a vehicle at a dangerous angle or uneven surface or on the traffic side of the car. If you have any of these situations move the car to a better location. Trying to save a tyre is not worth losing your life over.

  • @iknowzeverything2740
    @iknowzeverything2740 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The pressure on each piston is the same. Pressure is just force over area, so the small piston has a small force(you pumping the jack) on a small area which puts a large force(what pushes the car up) over a large area on the big piston.

  • @WastedTalent-
    @WastedTalent- ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I've bought a couple of cheap bottle jacks and promptly returned them. I haven't settled on a jack for my car yet, but when I do happen to be looking, I unbox them at the store and test them right then and there. You won't believe how many jacks leak down out of the box. Although, I think most of it could be fixed just by bleeding them.

  • @gslavik
    @gslavik ปีที่แล้ว +9

    That motorized scissor jack is a great upgrade for the plain one most cars come with.

    • @TheOnespeedbiker
      @TheOnespeedbiker ปีที่แล้ว +4

      As I mentioned all you need is a cheap cordless impact wrench and adapter and you can motorized the scissor jack in your car; a cordless drill will probably also work.

    • @Shalmaneser1
      @Shalmaneser1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheOnespeedbiker Been there, done that.

    • @tumekeehoa3121
      @tumekeehoa3121 ปีที่แล้ว

      The setup and pack away time is too long. When raining and stuck at the side of the road you'll regret it. Anyone with the power to remove wheel nuts can muscle a scissor jack.

    • @Slicerwizard
      @Slicerwizard ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tumekeehoa3121 That's a big negatory.

    • @Slicerwizard
      @Slicerwizard ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheOnespeedbiker You don't even need an adapter. It doesn't take much to mate an impact socket with a scissor jack.

  • @kio51423
    @kio51423 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    10:58 "Did it work??"
    Gets me everytime 😂

    • @kio51423
      @kio51423 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Donutmedi2 Who da heck is Frederick?

  • @orochish532
    @orochish532 ปีที่แล้ว

    The day this was updated, I ended up buying a new trolly jack. My factory one was really bent, and I was tired of it failing (I like to wait lol). I bought one from Harbor Frieght for $35. It's good for up to 2 tons. I'm so use to cranking the factory one 40 times to get the car in the air. This one takes about 5 pumps, and the car is jacked up. It's so much nicer. I look forward to working on my car now. I don't have to spend all that energy getting the car up. Very nice!

  • @TurtleSauceGaming
    @TurtleSauceGaming ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your fear of the airbag jack completely neglects the idea that firefighters use airbags to left things pretty frequently.

  • @erisgh0sted961
    @erisgh0sted961 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    That airjack is phenomenal.
    Edit: both of them, but that 18wheeler airbag jack is awesome.

  • @TokenBlack313
    @TokenBlack313 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The Dorrough bars coming from Jeremiah was great 😎🤘

  • @JetFalco
    @JetFalco ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Totally thought Nolan was gonna end that intro with "Let's get jacked." Can't predict these boys.

  • @Dustin_Platt
    @Dustin_Platt 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Honestly, I was looking for cool ways to die, and this pulled up from the search.
    Gotta find that link.

  • @nathan00campbell
    @nathan00campbell 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have one of those airbag jacks and I think I actually have a video on it. Got two of them. The smaller 3 ton and the larger 5 ton rated. I recommend if you're buying one just get the 5 ton and skip the three ton. They do have a PRV valve that will blow off before they reach their rated lifting strength. Probably a good thing. Also they are tremendously faster than in your video when you have a quality air compressor. My Ingersoll Rand 120 gallon, 175 PSI air compressor feeding through half inch airline moves them near instantly. As fast as you had it moving on the countertop, is how fast it'll lift my pickup off the ground.

  • @daveroche6522
    @daveroche6522 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    No matter the type, manufacturer or cost of your jack(s), I ALWAYS use axle stands also. Mine are rated for 2 tonnes each. Just suggestin'.

    • @chaos.corner
      @chaos.corner ปีที่แล้ว

      If I have the wheel off, I'll often put it under the sill too.

  • @Kitteh.B
    @Kitteh.B ปีที่แล้ว +18

    The jacks weren't really fairly ranked given they were ordered by the time it took to lift a tire off the ground yet 4 different height vehicles were used.
    That said, still an informative video to show how different jack types work and their use cases.

    • @croaton07
      @croaton07 ปีที่แล้ว

      They also didn't take into consideration how dangerous some of these are.

  • @miciah3676
    @miciah3676 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'd be curious to see this comparison done on a standard sedan. Learned a lot, but my car is like half the size of a van.

  • @garrydobson2626
    @garrydobson2626 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You can twist the top of the bottle jack like you did the electric scissor jack. Been using mine for years on my extended van and pickup truck

  • @S42069
    @S42069 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    FYI the exhaust Jack will not work with newer diesels with intercooled exhaust tips.

  • @DanCooleman51
    @DanCooleman51 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I've never had a problem with bottle jacks. They're great if you have a lower profile car, and are perfectly safe as long as you remember to tighten the bleed valve enough and use jack stands. I also put a wood board between the jack and the frame so I don't scratch it and have a wider surface area. I have, however, had 3 scissor jacks give out in one day!!

    • @Maples01
      @Maples01 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I have used bottle jacks to lift beams under houses and lift floors of homes, in fact, still have my American made 12 ton from 30 years ago when I was remodeling homes.

  • @kanerevell3128
    @kanerevell3128 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    4:05 not all bottle jacks are like that. The bottle jack that comes in my car from factory has another piston inside the big one.

    • @malice6081
      @malice6081 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      One I’ve seen was a screw type that broke first use, a state trooper had to use a floorjack to lift the truck off the bottle jack. It wouldn’t go back down it would just spin. I

  • @velogames436
    @velogames436 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I know everyone might look at these videos and think it's cringe or whatever but it's actually really informative on what's important to invest in, so for that thank you Donut Media, and especially thank you Nolan and Jeremiah for explaining how they work and why they work or don't work. Love your videos guys keep it up!

    • @ILOVEBACONBOY2018
      @ILOVEBACONBOY2018 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They are very cringe but still legit content.

    • @DefinitelyNotSpam
      @DefinitelyNotSpam ปีที่แล้ว

      Not really, they messed up this test so bad
      I only made it to 3:19 before I stopped and went to the comments.
      They changed vehicles, which makes a difference
      They didn't start the time on the bottle jack, until it was engaged with the jack spot, which makes a difference.
      So if you're using this for a scale on which is fastest, this video isn't for you.

    • @mac6417
      @mac6417 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DefinitelyNotSpam I guess but the speed at which it puts it up really does not matter they’re all about under a minute 😭 ain’t a race to jack ur car up

    • @DefinitelyNotSpam
      @DefinitelyNotSpam ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@mac6417 I agree, but that's what they're comparing here, that's why I brought it up.
      How fast it goes from 0 to full lift, is one of the last things on my mind when buying a jack lol
      What they should've done was test each jack on about 5 or so different real-life situation, that'd make this video actually informative.

  • @travismazza6522
    @travismazza6522 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wish they put that harbor freight off road jack on the list

  • @thelazypirate5997
    @thelazypirate5997 ปีที่แล้ว

    Scissor jack times can be sped up by raising the jack to rough sil height of the car before you go to line it up, and then use an impact on it. I don't have a stupidly low car, but the side skirts on it make it easier to use a scissor jack before a handle jack.

  • @BiggMo
    @BiggMo ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Very uplifting video to pump us up this morning

    • @dotar9586
      @dotar9586 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm sorry. You have been banned. Please take some time and come back when you've thought about what you've done. 🤫

  • @timjohnun4297
    @timjohnun4297 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was a bus mechanic for a long time, bottle jacks were the only jack we used to lift buses. Of course you wouldn't get under one unless you also had stands, under both the chassis and the body. You'd actually be more likely to be squashed by an airbag blowing and the body dropping down than by a jack failing

    • @oldphart-zc3jz
      @oldphart-zc3jz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why would anybody go beneath a bus only supported by a jack and not use cribbing or a jack stand for extra insurance? I couldn't bench press my old International shop bus so jack did the lifting and cribbing captured lift as I went.

  • @christopheradamski5956
    @christopheradamski5956 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Can you guys please do another money pit series, that’s we all want!

  • @Comm0ut
    @Comm0ut 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I collect truck pantograph jacks for many tasks and the best are hex drive because you can run them up and down with a cordless impact. I barely use my floor jack any more. Having more than one means I can toss cribbing (I use 4x4 and 6x6 wooden blocks drilled for rope handle like an aircraft chock) under the second after maxing out the first.

  • @petertyrrell6690
    @petertyrrell6690 ปีที่แล้ว

    In 50 years of driving, I never have had to change a tire due to a sudden loss of tire pressure, but, for my own safey, if I had to change a tire, my jack needs to be purely mechanical, as any sort of hydraulic, air bag contraptiin is not safe to work without axle stands, and it's unlikely that I'd tote around axle stands on the off change I'd get a flat. So, most car manufacturers have it right by including a scissor jack.
    Thanks for sharing.

  • @DHB2
    @DHB2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I’ve been seeing that air bag jack all over ads, glad to see it works

    • @BlueTurtle1225
      @BlueTurtle1225 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was DQed tho 👀

    • @picklesthegreatest
      @picklesthegreatest ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BlueTurtle1225 it wasn't tho 👀

    • @noodlelynoodle.
      @noodlelynoodle. ปีที่แล้ว

      @@picklesthegreatest the off-road one was but the compressor based one wasn't

  • @LaurieMB
    @LaurieMB ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The compressed air jacks are awesome, but I'd definitely want it on jack stands before taking the tire off.

  • @ragdolltrucking
    @ragdolltrucking ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm shocked and disappointed that you didn't use an impact wrench on the scissor jack, the guys who know what I'm saying, they know what I'm saying 😉

  • @Supesfan88
    @Supesfan88 ปีที่แล้ว

    I changed the winter tires to all seasons on a 2014 Caravan with nothing but a scissor jack. It took me 3 and a half hours in my drive way. I'm not a mechanic and I have al the muscle/body problems of Cerebral palsy, but I did it!

  • @austinunderwood7234
    @austinunderwood7234 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    lets just take a moment and admire that clean af 250r at 1:18 in the background

  • @ronmcdavid9248
    @ronmcdavid9248 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thank you Donut! I didn't even know there were so many different Jack's, always a great way to start my day, keep up the amazing content guys!!! 👏

  • @aaronwalcott513
    @aaronwalcott513 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    5:00 so, is no one gonna talk about how yuh boy missed an opportunity to name it Jack Jack? Well at least they won't be hearing from Pixar 😁

  • @bruhnt5063
    @bruhnt5063 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Day 636 of asking Donut to bring old B2B back

    • @razy5767
      @razy5767 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you know that you’re the first comment

  • @MrSteveFurness-Lappin
    @MrSteveFurness-Lappin ปีที่แล้ว

    A lot of UK roadside assistance company’s such AA and RAC use Jack Bags, they don’t have the wheels or the Arm on them, but they’re really easy to store and fit under the majority of cars at the roadside, without the dangers of anything protruding out into the live traffic

  • @hyde_official
    @hyde_official ปีที่แล้ว

    What until the end. I didn't expect that coming. I love it

  • @nickbakey9188
    @nickbakey9188 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    4:27 what you could do is jack at the control arm

  • @AshesToAsses
    @AshesToAsses 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    use a same car on all the jacks

  • @gamingwithnick1029
    @gamingwithnick1029 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    5:40 why semi slick Tyers on a van?

    • @darthsnarf
      @darthsnarf 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Cuz it's badass that's why 😅

    • @gamingwithnick1029
      @gamingwithnick1029 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@darthsnarfwell it is

  • @DarbNation
    @DarbNation ปีที่แล้ว

    I gotta say, my first jack experience. I jacked up my car in the middle, peeled off both rear tires, and watched the wind shift the car to the side, wedge the jack under the car, and slam the rotors straight on the asphalt, adding about 3 hours to the job of switching winters to summers

  • @centralintelligenceagency9003
    @centralintelligenceagency9003 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:40 I think I just had an aneurysm.
    The pressure between the piston stays the same, but because of the larger surface area of the load bearing piston, the pressure can exert a much larger force on it - twice the area, twice the force.
    Now multiply that ratio with the long handle, and you need to apply very little force on the handle to lift a very heavy load.

  • @SquareCanine
    @SquareCanine ปีที่แล้ว

    One of my parents cars has a funky half scissor jack. Like, it only has one extension instead of a diamond shape so it folds up into basically an 8" bar.
    Very compact and absolutely terrifying to use. It describes a slight arc as it lifts where a real scissor jack is perfectly vertical, which also means the load isn't perfectly centered on the boot until it reaches wheel changing height. Serviceable in a perfectly flat and level parking lot, but I'd hate to use it on the side of the road. Fortunately the car has run flats in lieu of a spare so you never have to actually use it. It's only purpose is to facilitate at home tire changes...in a perfectly flat and level parking lot with the aid of a jack stand.

  • @GalaxyFur
    @GalaxyFur ปีที่แล้ว

    The bottle jack is meant to be under the axle to lift the vehicle properly. This is why they are also often referred to as axel jacks. They are not meant to be lifted by the frame. Also, the NASCAR race jacks are limited in their weight capacity. Typically, they are limited to 2,000 up to a maximum of 2,500 lbs. This is plenty fine for lifting a car, of course, or even a small pickup truck. Or just lifting one wheel of a larger vehicle. But most floor jacks that you see in a garage, like a tire shop, start at 3,000 lbs (1.5 tons) and work their way up from there. The higher the load capacity of a jack typically the slower the jack will be.

  • @ShadowFox1141
    @ShadowFox1141 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok the beetro is pretty cool, now I want one. Jeremiah, Pumphery, and his son Nolan are the funniest one at Donut Media.

  • @moefuggerr2970
    @moefuggerr2970 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Was checking out the electric jacks a few months ago. They all seem to have plastic gears. They apparently last for quite a few lifts then they will break. Be OK for a replacement to the OEM jack but not for someone working on cars.

  • @vicpetrishak7705
    @vicpetrishak7705 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Scissor jacks have a low platform height . I use mine to raise class 8 truck cabs to replace cab air suspension air springs .
    I use a pair of 10 ton air lift and stand . ( Pair - 20 ton capacity )

  • @springa42
    @springa42 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice work by Nolan and Tom DeLonge on this video. Big fan of the content by Donut and Tom’s side work with Blink.

  • @Gamen4Bros
    @Gamen4Bros 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That scissor jack was nice!
    Compared to most ones I've seen

  • @James-lp1sk
    @James-lp1sk ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2:50 standard jack for military use

  • @julianrosario4525
    @julianrosario4525 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The main reason I love this video is cause the Zelda sound clip they used at 5:45 😂

  • @sergeserenkov4733
    @sergeserenkov4733 ปีที่แล้ว

    This guys are so charismatic that I cant stop watching them, and I dont even have a car or know how to drive

  • @blipblop92
    @blipblop92 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The jacking speed in floor jacks is directly tied to the ratio of the smaller : larger piston. Its not like making them both bigger will make it faster, just need to make the smaller piston bigger.

  • @Dragunov127
    @Dragunov127 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lovin this new Hi Low series lol

  • @obfuscated3090
    @obfuscated3090 ปีที่แล้ว

    I collect heavier duty scissor jacks with hex drives and use my impact to run them up and down. I also weld on adapters as useful for a given task like upward facing channel to grab crossmembers. Done right they're FAST, SAFE and reliable. I've about twenty jacks so far between shops and vehicles and barely use hydraulic jacks except when moving machine tools.
    I use cribbing with ALL jacks to "capture progress" as the firefighters put it and they're right. When in doubt copy the professionals and in lifting the real pros are usually first responders, recovery operators and people trained or self-trained in rigging. Many mechanics never study rigging and recovery because they just AssUme everything is obvious.
    Air bag jacks (as in 18-wheeler suspension) easily lift my 40' shipping containers during placement and are outstanding for rapid high lift. Capture progress with dunnage because no jack alone should be trusted.

  • @rabokarabekian409
    @rabokarabekian409 ปีที่แล้ว

    I recently had to use the scissor jack to get one tough lug nut off, levering the jack handle.
    I got a 10 ton bottle jack and a block of mining timber for my 88 Suburban with diesel/4wd/towing package just for tire changes.
    I never needed to lift it to do maintenance, including replacing the starter.
    This vid could be even funnier showing how scary old school bumper jacks were.

  • @Mr2greys
    @Mr2greys ปีที่แล้ว

    @9:04 hi-jacks aka tractor jacks aka farm jacks are best used for lifting out of mud or a deep rut. Edit essentially the situation of getting out of the ditch although it is more of jack it up and then drive off of it.
    Also the stability issues is only one concern, I know two people who ended up getting between when they tried to change directions but had not put the handle all the way up and it unloaded, one ended up getting smacked in the side of the face which hurt like a bitch and the other had his hand get in between and shattered several bones within. Jacked up vehicles usually can get away with a normal size bottle jack on the axle (if solid axle) or wishbone (not ideal but in a pinch). the key is finding a flat spot.

  • @deant876
    @deant876 ปีที่แล้ว

    So that bottle jack is meant for heavy loads, not speed. Plus, they do make them air operated also.
    The exhaust bag jack is similar to what they use to upright tractor trailers. They use high volume air pumps. But I seem to remember that exhaust air bag jack advertised on TV in the 80's

  • @electrocanman
    @electrocanman ปีที่แล้ว

    The cinderblock under the air jack lifting the U-Haul made my groin ache. NEVER EVER use a cinderblock (or concreteblock) to lift or hold anything of weight up!
    Hi Lift jacks, with the right attachments, are the Swiss Army knife of jacks. I've even used mine to move a vehicle out of a ditch by lifting as high as I could and pushing the vehicle over a few feet at a time. A 60" Hi Lift is a must have.

  • @micahv9365
    @micahv9365 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jeremiah’s comments bring me back to simpler times, just chillin with the guys

  • @BadTVandMovieClipsFairUse
    @BadTVandMovieClipsFairUse 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Scissor Jack's - I hate them but found them super useful in sandy conditions like the emergency sections on freeways

  • @jamesplotkin4674
    @jamesplotkin4674 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really like the segmented, shop air jack, and it's my overall choice for what I would need it for, but would never try to lift the end of the car. It doesn't have the lateral stability to do that. The electric scissor jack gets low score for me because it sounds like it would fail with just a few uses. My guess is there are similar devices with more powerful motors, or they're all the same, just different paint ;-)