There is no more "conventional" oil unless you mean not labeled synthetic? Any brand name oil that is API GF-6 or GF-6b has synthetic esters as additives which would make them "semi-synthetic" this would explain at least some of the longevity, the rest is the 5k intervals.
@@02glx my 2.4 G6 got the rattle between 150k and 160k miles. just got timing chain replacement done and i get a discount since im friends with the owner, and all in the timing chain replacement was $800.
i needed a timing chain replacement at 160k miles. i change oil every 3k miles and even negative degree cold temperatures i still heard a rattle once. not too concerned since oil was probably thick, but doesn’t burn any oil. have you experienced any problems with yours?
I was reading about this. Apparently, the newer engines are Direct Injection engines. When the engine is cold, and you run it for only short periods of time (less than 30 minutes) excess fuel is injected into the engine so it can run. That excess fuel does not always fully burn with the less time to combust. It leaves carbon which mixed into the oil. Lots of short trips in cold weather, more carbon. More carbon, the timing chain gets stretched as the distance between the pins on the chain is extended. Over 100,000 miles, that is a lot of stretching. Advice - mix in trips longer than 30 minutes every week. Also, oil you use should be API-SP certified or ILSC GF-6 oil as it can contain the carbon better (not perfectly, but enough to potentially reduce the timing chain stretch). I am hoping doing these things will allow my Buick Envison with a 2.0L Ecotec make it to at least 150,000 miles. However, I appreciate the tip to change the chain at 100,000 miles. I will do that as well.
Since April 2020, with an engine replacement, I've kept my oil changes at ~3K+/-, using diesel oil: SAE 30 CF-2 and/or 15w40 on my 2011 Chevy HHR. Though last Friday, August 29, lost compression, as determined a few days later, though plenty of spark, and fuel pressure. With Gig delivery, hard use, and ~134K miles of travel on an engine that was labeled as ~190K from the wrecking yard. 🤔😬 2024-09-06 1339 PT
Dropped off my 2014 Equinox at the dealership for check engine light issues, they found that the timing chain was starting to make noise. It’s got 108,000 miles on the odometer has had oil changes with correct Dexos certified oil at 5,000 mile intervals. We had no oil consumption issues until it reached 100,000 miles,now we use about a quart of oil ever thousand miles. Since we plan to keep the car we’re having it repaired.
I have s 2012 equinox that went 73,000 miles before it jumped. Thank God it did, in the mechanics service bay at he turned the key. Minor damage to the valves was all that it did. Replaced the timing chain, guides and complete head. Running smooth.
I have used Heli-Coil kits onto many vehicle parts including body, engine mounts and internal engine parts as well. I have even used Heli-Coils on the Cadilac 4100 engine which was popular in the 1980's. Since the block was aluminum, I used double 1/2" inserts on the main bearing journals. I never had one of them come back for that problem again. I did work on other issues with the same cars over the following several years. So I can safely say that the Heli-Coils work well providing you install them correctly.
hey Alex, do not be afraid of thread inserts, the repair makes the part stronger than a new part, the best ones are from Howmet aerospace ( an Australian company), napa auto parts has them, helicoil is ok too, no big deal to install and nothing to worry about
Alex had some great advice on the ecotech engine, as a semi retired mechanic with lots of experience( I just cant give up my shop) the best advice I can give is do not wait until it stops running, a timing chain replacement is under 1,000, can be done in 2 or 3 days not the end of the world but bent valves could total your car
Ray it really depends on the oil, a car that gets a fast lube job every 7,000 could need a chain at 80K, if it is a neglected engine, like going over miles or cheap oil they can fail at 50K, use good synthetic 5w30 every 5K and it will last 200K, yes I said 5w30, the thin 5w20 is for fuel economy, not good for the engine, gas is cheaper than timing chains@@raypalermo1603
@@raypalermo1603base line is 100,000 miles, which seems to have become a good ballpark figure. For those of us driving 25-30K per year, with too much idle time, may only be 3-4 years. Compared to someone that may drive 12-15K per year, or 6-9 years. 🤔 2024-09-06 1346 PT
Mr Alex you are GOOD Thank you, I have 2 Sunfire GT Convertibles, 1 Ive always driven, other I just bought but it is making that rattling sound but Running Perfectly, you just taught me ALOT I bet the tensioner is bad and the chain having slack probably slapped into the top guide breaking it off and it is flying around like a Pinball in a Pinball machine, I just hope the tensioner bolt did'nt strip like that engine you showed, Thank you Very Much.
Had a customer come in for an A/C top off today. Needed a VC gasket and I thought I heard some rattle so I sold him a tune up and V/C gasket. (Almost to the 97500mi spark plug interval and I was already gonna be in there) I pulled the V/C and there was about a centimeter and a half of clearance between the chain and the top guide. He'll be in monday for a timing chain, he's very happy I caught the chain before it trashed his engine.
@@AlexTheCarDoctor just got the new chain kits in. The crank sprocket had been chainsawed in the plastic sections of it. Rotate the crank to the good half and chain was tight ish, bad half and it was the rope bridge from fionas castle in shrek 1.
I heli-coiled one for a customer with a waiver due to financial constraints. I used a coil with red loctite and let it cure for a few hours before reassembly. Has gone over 60k since and no issues (yet). Not the right way by any means but this was explained to the customer and agreed was a good solution considering her financial situation at the time.
Oh absolutely, but I always seem to get the knucklehead customers where I try to help them, I explain all the risks and they still get mad if and when it doesn’t work out as if I didn’t explain everything to them 😔
I get it, it's happened to me before. I've come to understand that the customer is not mad at me per se, they are just upset that their car is broken and costs a lot to fix. Always put yourself in their shoes, empathize with them and tell them you will do what you can. They already knew they were taking a chance so there is no need to point it out. Just de-escalate and take care of them. They will get over it.@@AlexTheCarDoctor
Dorman part 917-954 is a special bolt that threads into the access plug hole for the chain guide bolt. No need to repair the damaged threads on the inside. Saves a ton of time and money.
@ALEXTHECARDOTOR I’m a GM technician newly!!! I started from the bottom and worked my way up but I have a 2005 Chevy classic looks like a Malibu but I think the timing chain maybe my problem I heard rattling one time few days later bam no start and sounds like no compression I have another motor but I wanna be sure if a motor swap is needed
yea man i did 2 of these engine.. gmc terrain and chevy equanox.. both timing chain guides broke off.. my question is parts of that black plastic guide i guess went down thru into the oil pan.. would it be safe or ok.. to go about it and let it be or should i take oil pan off
Theres a dorman solution plug made specifically for that. Instead of the bolt that plug you take out acts as the bolts. Look up dorman solutions 2.4l timing chain guide plug
I have an '05 Chevy Classic with the 2.2L. It has a 150K. I bought it used with 92K. So I guess I will remove the valve cover and inspect the chain. Thanks for posting the video Alex!
Lots of great information here. I didn't know some timing chain driven cars were so problematic. I wonder why Chevy went with the chain and not a belt on those cars. Thanks for sharing!
I was wondering the same thing! I actually got one in the shop now, with a broken timing chain that I’m going to do a video on soon. Stay tuned! And thanks for watching and interacting in the comments 🤗
Unfortunately belts have pros and cons as well. They're more likely to stretch, teeth round off, or break then a chain is. Generally the problem isn't the chain itself it's usually the guides or the hydraulic tensioners. Low oil or lack of oil changes will cause these issues prematurely as well. I also see and deal with alot of ecotecs, most of the time I fix them unless too much damage has been done.
I think Gm should replace it this for free since it’s a big problem with those cars, I have a GMC Terrain, 90 thousand miles and already have to replace a timing Chain it cost me $1400, that’s sucks …
My wife has a Holden Malibu 2013(Australian rebadge) with the 2.4L engine that had timing chain failure first at 40000 miles(2018) and now again at 60000 miles(2024). Full service history, regular driving conditions. First one was covered under warranty, this one the dealership is being quite painful about it.
My 08 hhr ran great I go out in the morning and the sound it made I thought it was the starter not engaging (just a wind no compression but the belt was turning) would that be timing do you thank?
I’m in the process of replacing my head gasket on my 2.0L Malibu ltz turbo because it had coolant in the oil. Is there a tool to keep it from jumping time and getting it TDC! Before removing the cylinder block. Do you have any videos on this particular job on how to replace the head gaskets and timing chain. My car has 87,600 k so would changing the time while would be beneficial long term. I’m just not sure how to prevent it from jumping
HELP DOCTOR! I have a 2002 Sunfire 2.2L. NO COMPRESSION ON ALL 4 CYLINDERS! Timing chain has a little slack, but not as much as the last one in this video. Some roller rockers are loose, but not all. Will bad timing cause ZERO compression? Thanks Doc.
Hey there buddy yes bad timing will cause low compression on all cylinders. If you have loose rockers you potentially have engine damage, valve to piston contact has occurred.
@@AlexTheCarDoctor Thanks Doc, but will bad timing cause ZERO compression on all 4 cyl's? Also, many of the rocker-rollers just fell off (when touched) where they span the spring and rod. Is this still an indication of "Catostrophic damage"? Appreciate the quick response brother. Last question. Thanks from the Kansas City Shade Tree Mechanics!
I have a Chevy Malibu it recently stopped on the road today . A few months ago my mechanic said I needed a new timing chain. Do you think my car is finished or do I still got hop fixing it ?
Hey there I can’t really make that call without seeing it for myself. follow my instructions in this video and you should be able to diagnose it yourself if the valves are met you would need another motor/Head job and at that point yes if the car is not sentimental and have very high miles you may wanna depart with it
Hi Alex, thanks for the video. I have a 2007 2.2 with a broken chain. Is it reasonable to purchase a cylinder head from salvage then put on with new chain and guides?
I've compared every chain I've removed to the new chain .. never once have I seen a stretched chain.. it's always the front guide broke and or phasers / solenoid problems .. I usually replace everything all at once .. chain , phasers , solenoids , guides , squirter , tensioner .. 🎉🎉
I'm starting to see some problems with my 2.4L in my Buick Verano at 83K. When oil is low, it has symptoms. Filling the oil to top seems to quiet things down. But I suspect I'm due soon for a timing system replacement job.
im changing the timng chain and sprockets on a 1.5 ecotech 2016-2023 malibu. do i also need to install a new oil pump chain since it will also ride on the new crankshaft sprocket?
Hi Alex I am in that situation like the last car you show. The car made a big rattle noise before shut down then try to started and did not. Finally I pull the engine out but how do I know if valves are damage ? Or is a fact if time chain is loose then the valves were damaged. I am trying to conclude if need engine swap or new time chain to current but don’t know how to check valves are damaged or not?
@@AlexTheCarDoctor I did that after watching your video and they solid and well seated, no movement or wiggly. Today I removed the time chain cover I found a large black guide broken in 3 pieces, I turn the engine and try to align the marks on the chain and they are off by 3 links forward. Is that enough to damage the valves? or just new guides will be enough? Also a big click when turning the engine from harmonic balancer, after lube from piston 1 turn complete, I am assuming this noise is normal right? Thanks Doc. Daniel C.
@@danielc8037 You may be all right but you will never know until you do a cylinder leak test that’s the proper way to test it out if the valves are leaking in any kind of way without taking anything apart or you can just put the timing chain on aligned everything properly and cross your fingers. it will make noise when turning it because of broken components if no components are broken it’s not normal for it to make any noise
@@AlexTheCarDoctor Alex, Just want to thank you I did the engine swap and went smooth, I put 2000 miles already in the swapped engine, it was worth. I removed the time components from old engine because of the sound that I describe to you and put it in the swapped engine. As I mention is working great just one engine code with the Evap System from the car being sitting 6 month on the driveway, change the evac valve from the canister, I notice stayed always open t all times, and fixed. I got nervous that it was a misfired or something like that. It feels so good recover the car from junkyard that you think it was lost, I am taking better care of the swapped engine. oil change filters, etc. The interiors are great shape, ac, trans, etc. It gave me a lot of confidence on cars. Thanks so much for your knowledge sharing. Have a great Christmas
hey, have 2011 chevy equinox 2.4,heard noise, like loose chain, or something broke off, opened up and chain seems tight, nothing broken, but metal in vvt valves
I have a 2015 Chevy Malibu 2.5 eco code p0016 now to do the timing chain replacement can I just do a partial kit which is just one chain and the tensioners and stuff like that what do I have to do that secondary chain thank you shout out from New Hampshire 603 thanks for all the great knowledge
Hey ive got a 16 equinox 2.4 auto awd. Its showing 3 codes i think, p219a, p0420, p0014, p0013 which is mostly timing stuff, fuel air mix, exhaust. it runs great one trip next time splutters everywere with lose of power until get plugs burning hot or something. Ive definatly gotta get a new hose that goes to use to be a pcv on Valve cover. But can you tell me what i need to do the timing completeley. lifetime warranty parts i dont like when their cheap because it means ill still have to do it again. If you have time id like to know what to buy and a fair brand something to actually last. Also my engine had the tube stopped offf on engine so lots seals and gaskets leak. What seals and gaskets that wont come in a kit can i replace while tearing into that part of the engine and any other things you would suggest changing instead of what i said? Any seals i can get to def needs done. it has abt 200000. people complains abt the 2.4 but ive not had to do anything until now with a lil over 200. ours has been great and we live in the WV mountians so its been used well. I hope you can find the time, Thanks !!!
I strongly think that using a tread insert would fix and resolve the problem because once fixed the hole diameter in the aluminum is larger and stronger than when it was made. I kinda feel that all threaded holes in aluminum should have steel inserts from the factory since they would be stronger and reduce the seizing that steel bolts do in aluminum. of course I dont expect the factory to add all that work and expense just to save us trouble. so, are those motors pretty good other than that issue ?
I totally agree! They make a Dorman plug that works great! I’ve been using them and they’ve been working out. Yes, other than that these motors are pretty good!
So I have a 2002 Saturn l200. 2.2 ecotec. My car cranks but doesn't start. I feel it may be the fuel pump but not sure. It just shut off on me one day while driving. I've replaced the crank sensor checked spark plugs so that's all good. If it jumped time would I heat a noise or feel something. My motor doesn't act crazy still really quite but again it hasn't been able to start. I noticed that there isn't a lot of pressure when checking the gas pressure in the front of motor. From what I've sáid do you have an idea?? Thanks
@@AlexTheCarDoctor Cant remember which part I turned to rotate the chain, but the lines only line up at certain number of rotations, so trying to check was useless. The upper guide was intact, chain was fairly tight, the chain guide looked intact, and the car drove like there were no problems. So, we ended up just putting a new timing chain tensioner and it fixed the codes.
Alex I have a 2015 Chevy Malibu I replace the mass airflow sensor, O2 sensor, the foot pedal the throttlebody. So when I’m driving, it still has the stable track light come on. and the auto stop doesn’t come on no more.
Alex, 2011 Malibu LE5 question. The car idles rough in drive and reverse. Smooth in park or neutral. Changed plugs, cleaned throttle body and MAF and is still happening. Have you seen this before.
It’s funny. I ran across your video today just out of pure luck. I’m currently replacing a timing chain in a 2013 GMC terrain 2.4. This vehicle came in running horrible with a tremendous amount of codes as you can imagine. Everything from reduce power, cam correlation codes and so on. When I removed the valve cover, I noticed the top chain guide was snapped off. I found it lodge down in the timing chain. That’s what was making so much racket while running. Anyhow, once I realized how loose the chain was. I immediately did a leak down test to make sure none of the valves made contact with the Pistons. I stuck a baroscope in cylinder one at top dead center and found the intake valves were open just barely missing the piston. Clearly it jumped time. The customer got extremely lucky. I would have to say in 35 years. I’ve seen a lot of things. But I can’t say that I’ve seen a valve possibly being one tooth away from catastrophic failure. I wish I knew how to send a photo. I did take a picture of it because it was absolutely amazing. On a sidenote. When you do the timing chains on these, you should go ahead and change the balance shaft crank chain as well being you’re already right there. Just my thoughts, Ron.
@@AlexTheCarDoctor gmc terrain 2015 2.4 ecotec yea rattles on start up and when pulling out slowly real lightly on the gas, if you in neutral or park and Rev it easily you can't hear it
My 2.2L ecotec has a exhaust leak. It ticks pretty loudly if I start the car below 45-50F ambient temperature. Sometimes it is not detectable unless you press the gas and you can hear a very slight tick. It goes away like a light switch in a minute or 2. Either a cracked manifold or a broken bolt I think. The only reason I know it is not a timing chain is I stuck my head all the way back near the manifold and donut and it is clear as day its coming from there. Also, the old screwdriver to the ear trick yielded no funny noises coming from the valve cover/timing chain area.
I just did a 2.2 Ecotec timing chain tensioner replacement. And I was able to get rid of that looseness by turning the cam gear in the direction of the new timing chains tensioner then activate. Problem solved. Rattle gone (after the first start )
Hello Bondo - read your comment. Sounds interesting. I have a turbo 2.0l ecotec solstice gxp and getting code p0016 for intake timing issue. Car with only 70,000 miles. One min car engine ok next on restart 5 min later engine running poor. Replace solinoids and sensors still with problem. Pulled off cover and chain is drooping between cam sprockets. U think could be just tensioner issue. Looks like on this engine tensioner is on left side. Could this tensioner be issue and could just unbolt current tensioner stud/spring unit and put in new one to take up slack? So then dont need to remove cylinder head and put in new chain?
Do you see the same problems with the 2.5 ecotech out of the Malibu? Mine sounds like a valve train noise but I haven't removed the valve cover yet yo inspect. Thanks
My 06 2.2L Saturn ion is having the same problem with going limp while driving and at low idle. It’s at 180,000 miles and I can almost guarantee that it’s never had the timing chain kit replaced, is it worth a shot to try to replace? Would it even help?
I have a 2011 buick regal 250,000 miles. At 247,000 miles it needed a timing chain replacement with all hardware. I have a warranty for the work. Now I think I have the same problem with timing. What do you recommend since I have a warranty from the mechanic shop?
@@lakeithwashum6497 with those many miles they should have change the camshaft gear/phaser also. those are definitely out of time codes caused by either the bad cam phaser or faulty timing components
@@lakeithwashum6497 I’m in Atlanta George near the airport. I visit Tennessee often to take my kids to camp up there where in Tennessee are you,the camp is near The Ocoee river
Hi I'm about to do a head gasket job on this motor 2.5 eco. I am curious if I could pull the intake manifold with the cylinder head or if I will have to remove the bottom bolt before I can remove it, thanks In advance
@Dev JB I don't have a manual, and I have been trying to find any type of information on the procedure but have had no luck mostly just removal of cam tower guard ( valve cover ) and timing chain replacement videos everything else is about the 2.4l eco tec motor which are different. It does have the 5 bolts on top and one underneath. I was wondering if I could pull it out with the head and remove it after. I'm a big guy and I was told I would have to get under the car to remove bottom bolts which wouldnt be a problem if I could fit lol. I have it jacked up now but barely fit to remove the oil from the oil pan
Hi , can you tell me if this problem still exist on newer models 2019 and 2020 where the 2.0 gasoline turbo engine puts out 260hp and some more torqe ( this motor exist in opel insignia 2017 to 2020) i guess it is also in the same model year at buick regal . Thank you very much
With your experience with these 2.4l eco tech motors and dealing with timing issues, how often have you ran into the problem being the reluctor shifting on the cam shaft?
@@AlexTheCarDoctor I’m trying to determine if that is the issue I have now. I have a copy of the bulletin from gm regarding it, I just don’t know how to add a copy/pic on here to send it to you.
i had the chain munch thru the top guide and valve cover.. pulled the cover off.. chain was taught at the top.. loose down by the crank sprocket to intake sprocket. broken forward guide.. . replaced forward and top guides.. patched valve cover hole from munch thru,, munched thru top guide AGAIN.. chain was still taught at top side.. what caused the munch thru of top guide and then valve cover? thanx!
I have a 2014 Chevy equinox. The timing chain guide on top broke and my timing chain ate a hole in my valve cover. Long story short replaced everything except the sprockets in a timing chain replacement and now I have a loud timing chain rattle on a cold start with rough idle after about 20-30 minutes of driving. If I pop it in to neutral it idles a little better but it idles much better if I just touch the gas a little. Any ideas? Edit: forgot to mention that if I let it continue to idle roughly it throws the code p228d which is a high fuel pressure regulator reading high fuel pressure it then goes in to limp mode and the stabilitrack turns off. It’s the only code that appears and I’ve replaced the fuel pressure regulator but with no difference in symptoms. The code will go away after a few starts and the check engine light disappears. I pulled the valve cover off and the timing chain is taught. I changed the vvt solenoids as well. I’m at a loss and I’m running out of money to throw at it!
I have the 2.2 it jumped time but it didn't mess the lifters it jumped while I was cranking it do u think it's worth fixing cuz I really like sorta like the car it's an olds alero
Great video what a young man these engines are garbage my friend has equinox with 98,000 miles has p0301 other mechanic said rebuild the motor so he took it to the machine shop and done it still has the same noise ticking at idle and exhaust popping and check engine light on and flashing even after the machine shop did it
I have a 05 cobalt with 113000 miles. I replaced the OEM tensioner on the timing chain but my chain and slack were all like new. I think it has a bad lifter though. It ticks at 2000 RPM ever so slightly. Does it sound like lifters to you? The motor sounds like new. It idles quiet as a mouse after the new tensioner especially. The alternator is new the belt is new. I think it's a lifter tick
got a 17 1.5 malibu did whole headgasket on it , made sure timing was lined up i put the cam at 12 o clock but when i did my first start engine would just crank and crank no start only start with brake cleaner . everytime i remove valve cover the reluctor moved . i got fuel pressure to low when cranking camshaft postion sensor code and mass air flow out of range . any ideas? i replaced those parts and still nothing same code
My wife’s 2013 Equinox has that noise coming from the timing chain I believe. It has 120k miles. Is it worth fixing it or getting a new engine? How much would it cost to fix the timing chain? How much estimate of putting a new motor? Let me know please 👍🏼
With 120K, just get the chain replaced. Will be alot cheaper. However, I have heard horror stories about Ecotecs in Equinoxs and the oil consumption rate.
Hey there you have to take it to a Machine shop to have the heads redone that’s the proper way, if you have the skills and the tools you can just simply change out the valves and the valve seals yourself
this problem happened to my truck (2010) equinox just this week truck died at a stop sign was told its timing chain i cranked it over but wont start obviously how can i tell if theres damage to t he engine trying to figure out if its worth putting a chain on it
Hey I need your help ok my timing is on time but when I turn the crankshaft the timing chain dangles a little bit and my 3rd spark plug was drowned wit oil how can u help me on that need advise thanks
Hey Alex thanks for all you work, you helped me save some money on my 2005 magnum with replacing the water pump, now i am working on my daughter 2011 buick regal with the eco tec 2.0 engine. My problem is that her bank 2 camshaft sensor was bad and broke out the block and was pouring oil, i replaced the sensor but now the car only starts when that sensor is disconnected. When connected tge check engine light comes on but has no code, do you know whats causing this and if so how can i fix it? I did some research and have an idea but i want to know from a real expert of what it may b. Thanks for all that u do to help us all.
Liked your vid and subbed, I appreciate your chill personality. Just bought 2015 equinox 2.4, the seller said it ran when he parked it but rattled. He had a shop put a chain kit at 116k now at 140k , I just looked at his last bill, it said in for no start, i never didn't try to start I pulled off VC and bottom chain cover. The right side black guide bottom broken.Upper most guide gone. Timing marks at the VVT look to be off. All the roller followers seem to be in place. About to go look to see if the bolt has come out. Any advice I would appreciate. Thank you.
Hi Alex - have a solstice turbo 2.0l and pulled valve cover and chain drooping between sprockets. This after replacing solinoids and cam sensors with this not correcting problems. Car only 70,000 miles. Is idling ok but still getting message “power reduced” on dash message unit and getting code p0016 for issue of intake timing. Could maybe just be failed tensioner spring and dont need to remover cylinder head to put in new chain and tensioner? Can put in new tensioner spring unit from side to take up slack? If not what would you charge for replacement of chain? Would need to replace to the tensioner pad and other parts? Thanks for any update here?
Hey there, wow only 70k,the head doesn’t have to come off for this job.i recommend replacing everything that’s the tensioner‘s in the chain anytime it slacks up like that it puts stress on the components and it’s best to replace them all. I have a video showing how to do the job if I remember correctly it’s not a bad job on your model, my labor for something like this should be around 350 to 450, had to give a range because I don’t really deal with pricing anymore
hey thanks man, i have 135k on mine. i feel like going out to check it this weekend. thanks for the good info. if the guide is ok can i just replace the tensioner?
It’s a certain way you can check them better shown than told type situation. To be on the safe side I normally recommend changing the phasers if it’s in the Customer budget
If it’s a Ford Triton 3V, yes you do but most shops will only do engine replacements these days because they have comebacks for just timing chain replacements.
Working on a 2009 cobalt with a p0016 replaced timing chain and tensioner did not replace vvt sprockets, car idles shoppy, same code and runs the same after repair, Help! 2.2 vvt ecotec
Your explanation of the issues with these motors is DA SH_T !!!!!! I wish I would have seen this video 5000 miles ago. I’m literally going to show this video to my mechanic. Im also going to watch it about 3 or 4 or 5 more times myself also. Have you ever run into the issue of the camshaft gear jumping time? I have replaced the timing chain, and the other chain ( that I can’t think of the name of right now) camshaft sensors, and crankshaft sensor, and both crankshaft position solenoids. My mechanic ( who had never done a timing chain on one of these engines) says that there was some release from gm saying that it’s possible that the gear on the camshaft has become loose and gotten out of position. I also go to search to see if you have any more videos regarding the 2.4L motor and timing chain issues. Feel free to send me a link if you do.
Hey there buddy I’m glad you enjoyed the vid man I have like 3 off those engine in the shop with timing chain problem this week SMH 🤦🏽♂️ I’m going to do a video of me changing one.the only way the cam gear can come loose is if you did not torque it down properly or made a mistake and left it loose, I never seen an issue with them just coming apart by themselves and I see a lot of this engines on the daily. In my opinion he should’ve never been experimenting with your vehicle unless he warned you something can go wrong because I’ve never done this before. Lots of people don’t know these engines are interference engines and if the timing chain is not put on properly or if it jumps timing you will damage internal engine components. Thanks for watching I really appreciate your support
@@AlexTheCarDoctor so when the mechanic says, “ he has a bulletin put out by gm regarding the the chain sprocket for the timing chain that is located on the camshaft moving) is he blowing smoke up my butt because he’s out of his league or does that really happen sometimes?
Are the marks on the sprockets matching up with the chain at the proper positions the main way to tell if the engine has jumped time? If the engine has jumped time does it run great sometimes and then other times won’t start?
@@cliffp2490 most likely. I always say show me what you are looking at.on that engine you have a cam phasers/cam gear they will go out and have movement he may be talking about that but as far as the cam gear bolt that holds it to the camshaft coming loose is not likely unless stated before
People will make up anything to get out of something not saying that about your mechanic, I’m just taking in general I’m pretty sure he is a good mechanic
I did a repair on a grand am where that bolt walked out, I put it back in and about a year later we did the timing chain assembly and that bolt stayed in. The threads are not damaged, the bolt just vibrated out from factory torq being to low, thats my guess. If I were you I would repair that engine for your customer. Helicoil is a great product, I have used them for years, dont be afraid of thread repair.
I have a 2011 Malibu. The timing chain went bad at 85,000 miles. The black guide was in several pieces when I took it out. The top guide was sheered off like the one you showed.
i just did this about 4 months ago for my girl and she let the oil get low and now she got the p0016 and 17 codes and i just took it apart and i do not see anything out of time. the crank is at 12 o clock and the cams are 10 and 2 o clock so i;m not sure what to do. i changed the crank sensor the other day and the code returned, do you have any ideas?
@@AlexTheCarDoctor i got on off ebay that matched the numbers from rock auto, and i compared the new chain the old chain to make sure the marks were even. they were this engine takes 2 exhaust phasers i found out the hard way. i moved the exhaust cam counterclockwise to cause the tensioner to get slack to see if the tensioner was actually putting tension on the guide and it was i could see it move, i did the same to the intake going clockwise and the tensioner moved the same so i'm stumped. tomorrow i'm going to take it all back apart and redo it after i check the chain against the old chain again and to make sure the guides did not break off. and the tensioner is not actually broken. it was a 300$ kit plus the phasers. i will also take the phasers apart to make sure they are not busted inside. the old ones were all busted up inside. i do not believe the cam sensor both failed when it ran low on oil. the codes i found out indicate more then 16 deg out of time. that sounds like a jumped tooth. tell me if you can when i turn the crank keyway to 12 o clock is the 12 o clock to the ground or to the bottom of the block? or will the timing be relative to the marks so if the crank is a bit off the cams will be a bit off relative to their marks? so do you have any suggestions for me? thanks
@@bobpalmer4740 I learned the hard way messing around with timing parts of eBay now I only use Cloyes or other top brands. When I time up timing chains I always match up the color chain link with the mark on the ⚙️ of course it helps to know what General area they supposed to be which you have it correct 10 to 12 o’clock for cams and 12 o clock key way on crank
@@AlexTheCarDoctor ok thanks i figure if the marks aligned to the sprockets then it is timed. if the crank is a bit off then the cam phasers would be just a bit off. but they still should be relative to each other. so i guess it is possible that when it ran low on oil it may have busted the phasers. so i guess i will have to take it all apart and take the phasers apart to make sure the fingers dd not break. i have had good luck getting car parts off ebay maybe i'm lucky. i thought maybe it jumped time on the crank when it ran low on oil as the codes showed up at that time. but like i say i took the crank bolt off and set the key to 12 o clock and then checked the phasers and they were still 10 and 2 o clock. i changed out the crank sensor and i do not think that low oil pressure would make the cam sensors fail. so what i will do is take it all apart and reset it all back and get 2 new cam sensors and see how it goes. providing that nothing has broken thanks
Hey Alex, please help me. I changed timing chain, both phasers (intake had a little play), solenoids, oil, oil filter, I cleaned the oil pan blocked with plastics. Now it sounds nice, but I continue having p0016 code. It disappears and goes back after 30 min of using. Please guide me.
I have done everything I can, to find the misfire, ECM, Coil pack , plugs, leak down test . My timing chain has slack, can that cause the misfire? before I replace the timing chain with a whole kit. the timing has not jumped time yet.
Yup, drill a hole and add a threaded insert. New timing kit and back on the road. That’s how we do. Heck we’ve even spot welded the bolt for good measure.
I'm wondering if you have come across and 2.4 engines that are stuck and if you have.....what was wrong when you tore them apart? ty and keep up the good work!!!!
What a lovely young man. taking time out to help others. Need more like him. God bless you Alex. Thank you.
Thanks so much for kind words 🙏🏽
I agree, I'm a mechanic myself, and this dude seems very genuine and knowledgeable.. I'd take advice and work with him anytime
Hi alex do you speak spanish @@AlexTheCarDoctor
Got 222,000 on my 2.4 in my 09 Pontiac G6. I Change oil every 5k with regular conventional. No issues. Amazing engine
There is no more "conventional" oil unless you mean not labeled synthetic? Any brand name oil that is API GF-6 or GF-6b has synthetic esters as additives which would make them "semi-synthetic" this would explain at least some of the longevity, the rest is the 5k intervals.
My 2010 g6 just got the dreaded timing chain rattle at 243k miles, aside from that it’s been bulletproof
@@02glx my 2.4 G6 got the rattle between 150k and 160k miles. just got timing chain replacement done and i get a discount since im friends with the owner, and all in the timing chain replacement was $800.
i needed a timing chain replacement at 160k miles. i change oil every 3k miles and even negative degree cold temperatures i still heard a rattle once. not too concerned since oil was probably thick, but doesn’t burn any oil. have you experienced any problems with yours?
I was reading about this. Apparently, the newer engines are Direct Injection engines. When the engine is cold, and you run it for only short periods of time (less than 30 minutes) excess fuel is injected into the engine so it can run. That excess fuel does not always fully burn with the less time to combust. It leaves carbon which mixed into the oil. Lots of short trips in cold weather, more carbon. More carbon, the timing chain gets stretched as the distance between the pins on the chain is extended. Over 100,000 miles, that is a lot of stretching. Advice - mix in trips longer than 30 minutes every week. Also, oil you use should be API-SP certified or ILSC GF-6 oil as it can contain the carbon better (not perfectly, but enough to potentially reduce the timing chain stretch). I am hoping doing these things will allow my Buick Envison with a 2.0L Ecotec make it to at least 150,000 miles. However, I appreciate the tip to change the chain at 100,000 miles. I will do that as well.
Good advice as well buddy that may help a few people whoever comes across this thanks
Since April 2020, with an engine replacement, I've kept my oil changes at ~3K+/-, using diesel oil: SAE 30 CF-2 and/or 15w40 on my 2011 Chevy HHR.
Though last Friday, August 29, lost compression, as determined a few days later, though plenty of spark, and fuel pressure.
With Gig delivery, hard use, and ~134K miles of travel on an engine that was labeled as ~190K from the wrecking yard. 🤔😬
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Dropped off my 2014 Equinox at the dealership for check engine light issues, they found that the timing chain was starting to make noise. It’s got 108,000 miles on the odometer has had oil changes with correct Dexos certified oil at 5,000 mile intervals. We had no oil consumption issues until it reached 100,000 miles,now we use about a quart of oil ever thousand miles. Since we plan to keep the car we’re having it repaired.
I have s 2012 equinox that went 73,000 miles before it jumped. Thank God it did, in the mechanics service bay at he turned the key. Minor damage to the valves was all that it did. Replaced the timing chain, guides and complete head. Running smooth.
Wow 70k, I’m glad you are back up and running
Great video. He's a great instructor...very patient and explains things clearly!
I have used Heli-Coil kits onto many vehicle parts including body, engine mounts and internal engine parts as well. I have even used Heli-Coils on the Cadilac 4100 engine which was popular in the 1980's. Since the block was aluminum, I used double 1/2" inserts on the main bearing journals. I never had one of them come back for that problem again. I did work on other issues with the same cars over the following several years. So I can safely say that the Heli-Coils work well providing you install them correctly.
hey Alex, do not be afraid of thread inserts, the repair makes the part stronger than a new part, the best ones are from Howmet aerospace ( an Australian company), napa auto parts has them, helicoil is ok too, no big deal to install and nothing to worry about
You are absolutely right, I work at a machine shop, we use inserts all the time for repairs, they are better than the original thread..
Alex had some great advice on the ecotech engine, as a semi retired mechanic with lots of experience( I just cant give up my shop) the best advice I can give is do not wait until it stops running, a timing chain replacement is under 1,000, can be done in 2 or 3 days not the end of the world but bent valves could total your car
Thanks so much for your advice! I’m always open to learn! Definitely gonna use your experience and wisdom. Thanks again 👨🏽🔧
At how many miles should they be changed?.
Ray it really depends on the oil, a car that gets a fast lube job every 7,000 could need a chain at 80K, if it is a neglected engine, like going over miles or cheap oil they can fail at 50K, use good synthetic 5w30 every 5K and it will last 200K, yes I said 5w30, the thin 5w20 is for fuel economy, not good for the engine, gas is cheaper than timing chains@@raypalermo1603
@@raypalermo1603base line is 100,000 miles, which seems to have become a good ballpark figure.
For those of us driving 25-30K per year, with too much idle time, may only be 3-4 years. Compared to someone that may drive 12-15K per year, or 6-9 years. 🤔
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Mr Alex you are GOOD Thank you, I have 2 Sunfire GT Convertibles, 1 Ive always driven, other I just bought but it is making that rattling sound but Running Perfectly, you just taught me ALOT I bet the tensioner is bad and the chain having slack probably slapped into the top guide breaking it off and it is flying around like a Pinball in a Pinball machine, I just hope the tensioner bolt did'nt strip like that engine you showed, Thank you Very Much.
To replace that guide and the support bolt does the timing cover have to come off?
Had a customer come in for an A/C top off today. Needed a VC gasket and I thought I heard some rattle so I sold him a tune up and V/C gasket. (Almost to the 97500mi spark plug interval and I was already gonna be in there) I pulled the V/C and there was about a centimeter and a half of clearance between the chain and the top guide. He'll be in monday for a timing chain, he's very happy I caught the chain before it trashed his engine.
I’m glad to hear you saved a customer that’s what it’s all about man
@@AlexTheCarDoctor just got the new chain kits in. The crank sprocket had been chainsawed in the plastic sections of it. Rotate the crank to the good half and chain was tight ish, bad half and it was the rope bridge from fionas castle in shrek 1.
@@archangel3237oh my 😮
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I heli-coiled one for a customer with a waiver due to financial constraints. I used a coil with red loctite and let it cure for a few hours before reassembly. Has gone over 60k since and no issues (yet). Not the right way by any means but this was explained to the customer and agreed was a good solution considering her financial situation at the time.
Oh absolutely, but I always seem to get the knucklehead customers where I try to help them, I explain all the risks and they still get mad if and when it doesn’t work out as if I didn’t explain everything to them 😔
I get it, it's happened to me before. I've come to understand that the customer is not mad at me per se, they are just upset that their car is broken and costs a lot to fix. Always put yourself in their shoes, empathize with them and tell them you will do what you can. They already knew they were taking a chance so there is no need to point it out. Just de-escalate and take care of them. They will get over it.@@AlexTheCarDoctor
Dorman part 917-954 is a special bolt that threads into the access plug hole for the chain guide bolt. No need to repair the damaged threads on the inside. Saves a ton of time and money.
Thanks so much buddy that will save my customers a ton $
Dorman 🤔 of everything, I’m about to buy 10 of them thanks again
@ALEXTHECARDOTOR I’m a GM technician newly!!! I started from the bottom and worked my way up but I have a 2005 Chevy classic looks like a Malibu but I think the timing chain maybe my problem I heard rattling one time few days later bam no start and sounds like no compression I have another motor but I wanna be sure if a motor swap is needed
@@AlexTheCarDoctor where’s your shop bro
@@lamarcusbennett4738 1850 Joy Lake Road 30260
yea man i did 2 of these engine.. gmc terrain and chevy equanox.. both timing chain guides broke off.. my question is parts of that black plastic guide i guess went down thru into the oil pan.. would it be safe or ok.. to go about it and let it be or should i take oil pan off
Theres a dorman solution plug made specifically for that. Instead of the bolt that plug you take out acts as the bolts. Look up dorman solutions 2.4l timing chain guide plug
Nice.
2024-09-06 1347 PT
I have an '05 Chevy Classic with the 2.2L. It has a 150K. I bought it used with 92K. So I guess I will remove the valve cover and inspect the chain. Thanks for posting the video Alex!
Thanks for watching 😎
Thank you. I have learned from you that my 2011 HHR at 131K miles is shot. Saved me a bunch of useless effort.
Lots of great information here. I didn't know some timing chain driven cars were so problematic. I wonder why Chevy went with the chain and not a belt on those cars. Thanks for sharing!
I was wondering the same thing! I actually got one in the shop now, with a broken timing chain that I’m going to do a video on soon. Stay tuned! And thanks for watching and interacting in the comments 🤗
Unfortunately belts have pros and cons as well. They're more likely to stretch, teeth round off, or break then a chain is.
Generally the problem isn't the chain itself it's usually the guides or the hydraulic tensioners. Low oil or lack of oil changes will cause these issues prematurely as well.
I also see and deal with alot of ecotecs, most of the time I fix them unless too much damage has been done.
Because GM had major issues with the timing belt engines. They failed before the interval for replacement.
I think Gm should replace it this for free since it’s a big problem with those cars, I have a GMC Terrain, 90 thousand miles and already have to replace a timing Chain it cost me $1400, that’s sucks …
@@Maria-hm4gc is that with parts and labor ?
My wife has a Holden Malibu 2013(Australian rebadge) with the 2.4L engine that had timing chain failure first at 40000 miles(2018) and now again at 60000 miles(2024). Full service history, regular driving conditions. First one was covered under warranty, this one the dealership is being quite painful about it.
I have 353,000 miles on my 2004 saturn and have absolute zero issues. I have always ran synthetic and change it at 8k-9k miles
So would staying on top of oil changes prevent this problem?
My 08 hhr ran great I go out in the morning and the sound it made I thought it was the starter not engaging (just a wind no compression but the belt was turning) would that be timing do you thank?
I don’t think I pretty much know unfortunately you may have jump time and bent valves if it sounds like a sewing machine when turning over
@@AlexTheCarDoctor Not a Sewing Machine just a motor, one steady sound. But thank you anyway
@@richardvandall3336 can you send me a video of it starting on Instagram I can better determine what’s going on
My 2011 buick regal is doing the same thing. How do I go about fixing it
How long do you have to drive it before the damage is catastrophic?
Would you change the watter pump timing chain as well ?? If so what brand would you use??
Hey there yes I recommend the water pump.I use the Cloyes brand timing kit
I’m in the process of replacing my head gasket on my 2.0L Malibu ltz turbo because it had coolant in the oil. Is there a tool to keep it from jumping time and getting it TDC! Before removing the cylinder block. Do you have any videos on this particular job on how to replace the head gaskets and timing chain. My car has 87,600 k so would changing the time while would be beneficial long term. I’m just not sure how to prevent it from jumping
HELP DOCTOR! I have a 2002 Sunfire 2.2L. NO COMPRESSION ON ALL 4 CYLINDERS! Timing chain has a little slack, but not as much as the last one in this video. Some roller rockers are loose, but not all. Will bad timing cause ZERO compression? Thanks Doc.
Hey there buddy yes bad timing will cause low compression on all cylinders. If you have loose rockers you potentially have engine damage, valve to piston contact has occurred.
@@AlexTheCarDoctor Thanks Doc, but will bad timing cause ZERO compression on all 4 cyl's? Also, many of the rocker-rollers just fell off (when touched) where they span the spring and rod. Is this still an indication of "Catostrophic damage"? Appreciate the quick response brother. Last question. Thanks from the Kansas City Shade Tree Mechanics!
I have a Chevy Malibu it recently stopped on the road today . A few months ago my mechanic said I needed a new timing chain. Do you think my car is finished or do I still got hop fixing it ?
Hey there I can’t really make that call without seeing it for myself. follow my instructions in this video and you should be able to diagnose it yourself if the valves are met you would need another motor/Head job and at that point yes if the car is not sentimental and have very high miles you may wanna depart with it
Hi Alex, thanks for the video. I have a 2007 2.2 with a broken chain. Is it reasonable to purchase a cylinder head from salvage then put on with new chain and guides?
I would recommend that.
I've compared every chain I've removed to the new chain .. never once have I seen a stretched chain.. it's always the front guide broke and or phasers / solenoid problems .. I usually replace everything all at once .. chain , phasers , solenoids , guides , squirter , tensioner .. 🎉🎉
I'm starting to see some problems with my 2.4L in my Buick Verano at 83K. When oil is low, it has symptoms. Filling the oil to top seems to quiet things down. But I suspect I'm due soon for a timing system replacement job.
Man they quoted me $3,200
im changing the timng chain and sprockets on a 1.5 ecotech 2016-2023 malibu. do i also need to install a new oil pump chain since it will also ride on the new crankshaft sprocket?
Hey quick question was the car you showed in the end was that car making a rattling sound when you take off well acceleration higher rpm
Hi Alex
I am in that situation like the last car you show. The car made a big rattle noise before shut down then try to started and did not.
Finally I pull the engine out but how do I know if valves are damage ?
Or is a fact if time chain is loose then the valves were damaged.
I am trying to conclude if need engine swap or new time chain to current but don’t know how to check valves are damaged or not?
Hey there buddy One quick way is to remove the valve cover And if the rockers are falling out like I mentioned in the video you have bent valve’s
@@AlexTheCarDoctor I did that after watching your video and they solid and well seated, no movement or wiggly. Today I removed the time chain cover I found a large black guide broken in 3 pieces, I turn the engine and try to align the marks on the chain and they are off by 3 links forward. Is that enough to damage the valves?
or just new guides will be enough?
Also a big click when turning the engine from harmonic balancer, after lube from piston 1 turn complete, I am assuming this noise is normal right?
Thanks Doc.
Daniel C.
@@danielc8037 You may be all right but you will never know until you do a cylinder leak test that’s the proper way to test it out if the valves are leaking in any kind of way without taking anything apart or you can just put the timing chain on aligned everything properly and cross your fingers. it will make noise when turning it because of broken components if no components are broken it’s not normal for it to make any noise
@@AlexTheCarDoctor Alex,
Just want to thank you I did the engine swap and went smooth, I put 2000 miles already in the swapped engine, it was worth.
I removed the time components from old engine because of the sound that I describe to you and put it in the swapped engine.
As I mention is working great just one engine code with the Evap System from the car being sitting 6 month on the driveway, change the evac valve from the canister, I notice stayed always open t all times, and fixed. I got nervous that it was a misfired or something like that.
It feels so good recover the car from junkyard that you think it was lost, I am taking better care of the swapped engine. oil change filters, etc.
The interiors are great shape, ac, trans, etc.
It gave me a lot of confidence on cars.
Thanks so much for your knowledge sharing.
Have a great Christmas
@@danielc8037 that’s awesome buddy and I’m glad you was able to to get something from my video
hey, have 2011 chevy equinox 2.4,heard noise, like loose chain, or something broke off, opened up and chain seems tight, nothing broken, but metal in vvt valves
A very pleasant fellow. Thanks for making the video.
I have a 2015 Chevy Malibu 2.5 eco code p0016 now to do the timing chain replacement can I just do a partial kit which is just one chain and the tensioners and stuff like that what do I have to do that secondary chain thank you shout out from New Hampshire 603 thanks for all the great knowledge
Hey ive got a 16 equinox 2.4 auto awd. Its showing 3 codes i think, p219a, p0420, p0014, p0013 which is mostly timing stuff, fuel air mix, exhaust. it runs great one trip next time splutters everywere with lose of power until get plugs burning hot or something. Ive definatly gotta get a new hose that goes to use to be a pcv on Valve cover. But can you tell me what i need to do the timing completeley. lifetime warranty parts i dont like when their cheap because it means ill still have to do it again. If you have time id like to know what to buy and a fair brand something to actually last. Also my engine had the tube stopped offf on engine so lots seals and gaskets leak. What seals and gaskets that wont come in a kit can i replace while tearing into that part of the engine and any other things you would suggest changing instead of what i said? Any seals i can get to def needs done. it has abt 200000. people complains abt the 2.4 but ive not had to do anything until now with a lil over 200. ours has been great and we live in the WV mountians so its been used well. I hope you can find the time, Thanks !!!
I strongly think that using a tread insert would fix and resolve the problem because once fixed the hole diameter in the aluminum is larger and stronger than when it was made. I kinda feel that all threaded holes in aluminum should have steel inserts from the factory since they would be stronger and reduce the seizing that steel bolts do in aluminum. of course I dont expect the factory to add all that work and expense just to save us trouble.
so, are those motors pretty good other than that issue ?
I totally agree! They make a Dorman plug that works great! I’ve been using them and they’ve been working out. Yes, other than that these motors are pretty good!
What about using blue or orange loctite on that guide bolt? Or is the problem, the length of theeads?
So I have a 2002 Saturn l200. 2.2 ecotec. My car cranks but doesn't start. I feel it may be the fuel pump but not sure. It just shut off on me one day while driving. I've replaced the crank sensor checked spark plugs so that's all good. If it jumped time would I heat a noise or feel something. My motor doesn't act crazy still really quite but again it hasn't been able to start. I noticed that there isn't a lot of pressure when checking the gas pressure in the front of motor. From what I've sáid do you have an idea?? Thanks
How do you verify timing is correct if you are getting p0016 & p0017, with only the valve cover off?
If you have a good scanner you can look at the data otherwise you will have to tear it down and check that way. In my experience your timing is off
@@AlexTheCarDoctor Cant remember which part I turned to rotate the chain, but the lines only line up at certain number of rotations, so trying to check was useless.
The upper guide was intact, chain was fairly tight, the chain guide looked intact, and the car drove like there were no problems.
So, we ended up just putting a new timing chain tensioner and it fixed the codes.
Alex I have a 2015 Chevy Malibu I replace the mass airflow sensor, O2 sensor, the foot pedal the throttlebody. So when I’m driving, it still has the stable track light come on. and the auto stop doesn’t come on no more.
Hey there buddy that can be a number of things let’s start with the code it’s throwing that will point us in the right direction
The bad thing is it only has 93,000 miles
Abs sensor faulty or broken/loose wire
How long does it take to change the sprocket s and timing chain kit on a eco malibu 2.4
It takes me about 2hr if I take my time
Alex, 2011 Malibu LE5 question. The car idles rough in drive and reverse. Smooth in park or neutral. Changed plugs, cleaned throttle body and MAF and is still happening. Have you seen this before.
Hey there buddy you may have bad engine mounts. If there is no check engine light on it’s a high chance it’s the engine mounts
It’s funny. I ran across your video today just out of pure luck. I’m currently replacing a timing chain in a 2013 GMC terrain 2.4. This vehicle came in running horrible with a tremendous amount of codes as you can imagine. Everything from reduce power, cam correlation codes and so on. When I removed the valve cover, I noticed the top chain guide was snapped off. I found it lodge down in the timing chain. That’s what was making so much racket while running. Anyhow, once I realized how loose the chain was. I immediately did a leak down test to make sure none of the valves made contact with the Pistons. I stuck a baroscope in cylinder one at top dead center and found the intake valves were open just barely missing the piston. Clearly it jumped time. The customer got extremely lucky. I would have to say in 35 years. I’ve seen a lot of things. But I can’t say that I’ve seen a valve possibly being one tooth away from catastrophic failure. I wish I knew how to send a photo. I did take a picture of it because it was absolutely amazing.
On a sidenote. When you do the timing chains on these, you should go ahead and change the balance shaft crank chain as well being you’re already right there. Just my thoughts, Ron.
Are the 2.2 ecotecs better then the 2.4 because I have a 2009 Chevy cobalt with the 2.2 vvt ecotec engine?
Quick question do all the 2.4 ecotec engine have the same engine block???
Would this also rattle lightly when you first start to press on the gas easy ?when dry revving no noises and and it’s has 79,xxx miles
Hey there you normally hear a rattle on first start up you may have an exhaust heat Shield making noise. What type of car do you have
@@AlexTheCarDoctor gmc terrain 2015 2.4 ecotec yea rattles on start up and when pulling out slowly real lightly on the gas, if you in neutral or park and Rev it easily you can't hear it
@@paulcherry1520 Can you send me a video on Instagram
My 2.2L ecotec has a exhaust leak. It ticks pretty loudly if I start the car below 45-50F ambient temperature. Sometimes it is not detectable unless you press the gas and you can hear a very slight tick. It goes away like a light switch in a minute or 2. Either a cracked manifold or a broken bolt I think.
The only reason I know it is not a timing chain is I stuck my head all the way back near the manifold and donut and it is clear as day its coming from there. Also, the old screwdriver to the ear trick yielded no funny noises coming from the valve cover/timing chain area.
What codes usually pop up for the timing chain if it broke on a 2014 chevy equinox
P0016 - Timing Correlation is the most common one if the timing chain has jumped.
I just did a 2.2 Ecotec timing chain tensioner replacement. And I was able to get rid of that looseness by turning the cam gear in the direction of the new timing chains tensioner then activate. Problem solved. Rattle gone (after the first start )
Hello Bondo - read your comment. Sounds interesting. I have a turbo 2.0l ecotec solstice gxp and getting code p0016 for intake timing issue. Car with only 70,000 miles. One min car engine ok next on restart 5 min later engine running poor. Replace solinoids and sensors still with problem. Pulled off cover and chain is drooping between cam sprockets. U think could be just tensioner issue. Looks like on this engine tensioner is on left side. Could this tensioner be issue and could just unbolt current tensioner stud/spring unit and put in new one to take up slack? So then dont need to remove cylinder head and put in new chain?
Do you see the same problems with the 2.5 ecotech out of the Malibu? Mine sounds like a valve train noise but I haven't removed the valve cover yet yo inspect. Thanks
My 06 2.2L Saturn ion is having the same problem with going limp while driving and at low idle. It’s at 180,000 miles and I can almost guarantee that it’s never had the timing chain kit replaced, is it worth a shot to try to replace? Would it even help?
Did you get it changed and did it help ?
I have a 2011 buick regal 250,000 miles. At 247,000 miles it needed a timing chain replacement with all hardware. I have a warranty for the work. Now I think I have the same problem with timing. What do you recommend since I have a warranty from the mechanic shop?
Hey there tell them to show you the timing kit that’s being installed, they may be using cheap parts
@@AlexTheCarDoctor ok great I will. The code was p0016 p0017. I have the eco tech engine I wonder if the checked the intake cam shaft actuator?
@@lakeithwashum6497 with those many miles they should have change the camshaft gear/phaser also. those are definitely out of time codes caused by either the bad cam phaser or faulty timing components
@@AlexTheCarDoctor thanks so much. What city do you live in ? I'm in Tennessee.
@@lakeithwashum6497 I’m in Atlanta George near the airport. I visit Tennessee often to take my kids to camp up there where in Tennessee are you,the camp is near The Ocoee river
Great Job Alex, very informative. Take Care Buddy
Hi I'm about to do a head gasket job on this motor 2.5 eco. I am curious if I could pull the intake manifold with the cylinder head or if I will have to remove the bottom bolt before I can remove it, thanks In advance
@Dev JB I don't have a manual, and I have been trying to find any type of information on the procedure but have had no luck mostly just removal of cam tower guard ( valve cover ) and timing chain replacement videos everything else is about the 2.4l eco tec motor which are different. It does have the 5 bolts on top and one underneath. I was wondering if I could pull it out with the head and remove it after. I'm a big guy and I was told I would have to get under the car to remove bottom bolts which wouldnt be a problem if I could fit lol. I have it jacked up now but barely fit to remove the oil from the oil pan
Are there warning signs. Does it rattle a lot or does it rattle a little on cold starts? My 2010 Chevy HHR 2.4L rattles a little on cold starts.
Hi , can you tell me if this problem still exist on newer models 2019 and 2020 where the 2.0 gasoline turbo engine puts out 260hp and some more torqe ( this motor exist in opel insignia 2017 to 2020) i guess it is also in the same model year at buick regal .
Thank you very much
With your experience with these 2.4l eco tech motors and dealing with timing issues, how often have you ran into the problem being the reluctor shifting on the cam shaft?
I have not ran into that issue yet,I work on a lot of these engines and can say they keep me in business just like the Chrysler 3.6 Penta star
@@AlexTheCarDoctor I’m trying to determine if that is the issue I have now. I have a copy of the bulletin from gm regarding it, I just don’t know how to add a copy/pic on here to send it to you.
So working on 2.4 engine. Could this cause bent lifters also?
I’ve seen broken lifters
@@AlexTheCarDoctor damn. Thanks
loss of proper timing on an interference engine like this is extremely likely to cause bent valves
@@OtherDalfite yes 95% of the time
Car Dr. , does this happen all at once or gradually . What sounds to look for ?
My cam gear marks don't line up when on TDC. How do I remedy that without damaging anything. I'm doing a complete timing chain replacement
can you replace tensioner from the outside of equinox without going into engine
i had the chain munch thru the top guide and valve cover.. pulled the cover off.. chain was taught at the top.. loose down by the crank sprocket to intake sprocket. broken forward guide.. . replaced forward and top guides.. patched valve cover hole from munch thru,,
munched thru top guide AGAIN.. chain was still taught at top side.. what caused the munch thru of top guide and then valve cover?
thanx!
I have a 2014 Chevy equinox. The timing chain guide on top broke and my timing chain ate a hole in my valve cover. Long story short replaced everything except the sprockets in a timing chain replacement and now I have a loud timing chain rattle on a cold start with rough idle after about 20-30 minutes of driving. If I pop it in to neutral it idles a little better but it idles much better if I just touch the gas a little. Any ideas?
Edit: forgot to mention that if I let it continue to idle roughly it throws the code p228d which is a high fuel pressure regulator reading high fuel pressure it then goes in to limp mode and the stabilitrack turns off. It’s the only code that appears and I’ve replaced the fuel pressure regulator but with no difference in symptoms. The code will go away after a few starts and the check engine light disappears. I pulled the valve cover off and the timing chain is taught. I changed the vvt solenoids as well. I’m at a loss and I’m running out of money to throw at it!
I have the 2.2 it jumped time but it didn't mess the lifters it jumped while I was cranking it do u think it's worth fixing cuz I really like sorta like the car it's an olds alero
Great video what a young man these engines are garbage my friend has equinox with 98,000 miles has p0301 other mechanic said rebuild the motor so he took it to the machine shop and done it still has the same noise ticking at idle and exhaust popping and check engine light on and flashing even after the machine shop did it
I have a 05 cobalt with 113000 miles. I replaced the OEM tensioner on the timing chain but my chain and slack were all like new. I think it has a bad lifter though. It ticks at 2000 RPM ever so slightly. Does it sound like lifters to you? The motor sounds like new. It idles quiet as a mouse after the new tensioner especially. The alternator is new the belt is new. I think it's a lifter tick
Can you look me up on Instagram and send me a video of it Making the noise
Could be an exhaust leak. These do get cracks in the exhaust manifold. Usually goes away though when warmed.
What could cause a tapping/clicking noise only when it's in reverse? I have this problem currently. Thanks.
Can i replace the same timing belt they put it a year ago but the Guy got off so a jumped time can i readjusted with the same timing chain
By the way this video that got me off the fence to subscribe great video and talk that talk
got a 17 1.5 malibu did whole headgasket on it , made sure timing was lined up i put the cam at 12 o clock but when i did my first start engine would just crank and crank no start only start with brake cleaner . everytime i remove valve cover the reluctor moved . i got fuel pressure to low when cranking camshaft postion sensor code and mass air flow out of range . any ideas? i replaced those parts and still nothing same code
My wife’s 2013 Equinox has that noise coming from the timing chain I believe. It has 120k miles. Is it worth fixing it or getting a new engine? How much would it cost to fix the timing chain? How much estimate of putting a new motor? Let me know please 👍🏼
With 120K, just get the chain replaced. Will be alot cheaper. However, I have heard horror stories about Ecotecs in Equinoxs and the oil consumption rate.
Very well explained sir. Nice job!
Thanks brother
I have that same problem right now that I'm working on what you did to fix the loose valves
Hey there you have to take it to a Machine shop to have the heads redone that’s the proper way, if you have the skills and the tools you can just simply change out the valves and the valve seals yourself
@@AlexTheCarDoctor thank you very much bro
@@garyfrancis1246 My pleasure brother
this problem happened to my truck (2010) equinox just this week truck died at a stop sign was told its timing chain i cranked it over but wont start obviously how can i tell if theres damage to t he engine trying to figure out if its worth putting a chain on it
Should we change the second chain also just to play it safe?
If timing chain needs to be replaced do you need to lift the engine or body?
Hey I need your help ok my timing is on time but when I turn the crankshaft the timing chain dangles a little bit and my 3rd spark plug was drowned wit oil how can u help me on that need advise thanks
Hey Alex thanks for all you work, you helped me save some money on my 2005 magnum with replacing the water pump, now i am working on my daughter 2011 buick regal with the eco tec 2.0 engine. My problem is that her bank 2 camshaft sensor was bad and broke out the block and was pouring oil, i replaced the sensor but now the car only starts when that sensor is disconnected. When connected tge check engine light comes on but has no code, do you know whats causing this and if so how can i fix it? I did some research and have an idea but i want to know from a real expert of what it may b. Thanks for all that u do to help us all.
thanks Alex, keep up the good work!!! David, i'm in Fl. wheere are you?
Hey there buddy thanks for the encouragement, i’m from Atlanta Georgia my shop is located in Forest Park GA
Great job Alex. Really helped me out!
Thanks buddy, I’m glad my video was Able to help you out man
Liked your vid and subbed, I appreciate your chill personality. Just bought 2015 equinox 2.4, the seller said it ran when he parked it but rattled. He had a shop put a chain kit at 116k now at 140k , I just looked at his last bill, it said in for no start, i never didn't try to start I pulled off VC and bottom chain cover. The right side black guide bottom broken.Upper most guide gone. Timing marks at the VVT look to be off. All the roller followers seem to be in place. About to go look to see if the bolt has come out. Any advice I would appreciate. Thank you.
Hi Alex - have a solstice turbo 2.0l and pulled valve cover and chain drooping between sprockets. This after replacing solinoids and cam sensors with this not correcting problems. Car only 70,000 miles. Is idling ok but still getting message “power reduced” on dash message unit and getting code p0016 for issue of intake timing. Could maybe just be failed tensioner spring and dont need to remover cylinder head to put in new chain and tensioner? Can put in new tensioner spring unit from side to take up slack? If not what would you charge for replacement of chain? Would need to replace to the tensioner pad and other parts? Thanks for any update here?
Hey there, wow only 70k,the head doesn’t have to come off for this job.i recommend replacing everything that’s the tensioner‘s in the chain anytime it slacks up like that it puts stress on the components and it’s best to replace them all. I have a video showing how to do the job if I remember correctly it’s not a bad job on your model, my labor for something like this should be around 350 to 450, had to give a range because I don’t really deal with pricing anymore
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It’s a different vehicle but it is the same process
hey thanks man, i have 135k on mine. i feel like going out to check it this weekend. thanks for the good info. if the guide is ok can i just replace the tensioner?
I recommend replacing them together always.
Is it necessary to replace the cam phasers when you do a new timing chain? If not, how would you know when you do need to replace them?
It’s a certain way you can check them better shown than told type situation. To be on the safe side I normally recommend changing the phasers if it’s in the Customer budget
@@AlexTheCarDoctor ok, how often is it that you actually have to replace interior engine pairs do to issues with timing chain? Like lifters,
@@cliffp2490 on that engine the timing components normally fail between 100k to 150k
If it’s a Ford Triton 3V, yes you do but most shops will only do engine replacements these days because they have comebacks for just timing chain replacements.
Working on a 2009 cobalt with a p0016 replaced timing chain and tensioner did not replace vvt sprockets, car idles shoppy, same code and runs the same after repair, Help!
2.2 vvt ecotec
Your explanation of the issues with these motors is DA SH_T !!!!!! I wish I would have seen this video 5000 miles ago. I’m literally going to show this video to my mechanic. Im also going to watch it about 3 or 4 or 5 more times myself also. Have you ever run into the issue of the camshaft gear jumping time? I have replaced the timing chain, and the other chain ( that I can’t think of the name of right now) camshaft sensors, and crankshaft sensor, and both crankshaft position solenoids. My mechanic ( who had never done a timing chain on one of these engines) says that there was some release from gm saying that it’s possible that the gear on the camshaft has become loose and gotten out of position. I also go to search to see if you have any more videos regarding the 2.4L motor and timing chain issues. Feel free to send me a link if you do.
Hey there buddy I’m glad you enjoyed the vid man I have like 3 off those engine in the shop with timing chain problem this week SMH 🤦🏽♂️ I’m going to do a video of me changing one.the only way the cam gear can come loose is if you did not torque it down properly or made a mistake and left it loose, I never seen an issue with them just coming apart by themselves and I see a lot of this engines on the daily. In my opinion he should’ve never been experimenting with your vehicle unless he warned you something can go wrong because I’ve never done this before. Lots of people don’t know these engines are interference engines and if the timing chain is not put on properly or if it jumps timing you will damage internal engine components. Thanks for watching I really appreciate your support
@@AlexTheCarDoctor so when the mechanic says, “ he has a bulletin put out by gm regarding the the chain sprocket for the timing chain that is located on the camshaft moving) is he blowing smoke up my butt because he’s out of his league or does that really happen sometimes?
Are the marks on the sprockets matching up with the chain at the proper positions the main way to tell if the engine has jumped time? If the engine has jumped time does it run great sometimes and then other times won’t start?
@@cliffp2490 most likely. I always say show me what you are looking at.on that engine you have a cam phasers/cam gear they will go out and have movement he may be talking about that but as far as the cam gear bolt that holds it to the camshaft coming loose is not likely unless stated before
People will make up anything to get out of something not saying that about your mechanic, I’m just taking in general I’m pretty sure he is a good mechanic
I remember reading it was an issue with how the timing chain steel was heat-treated that's causing the chain-stretching problem.
How can I get the camshaft to the low spot for a high pressure fuel pump? Manually
Is there a pattern for re-installing the bolts on the valve cover to prevent warping?
There is, but it won’t make a difference.
I did a repair on a grand am where that bolt walked out, I put it back in and about a year later we did the timing chain assembly and that bolt stayed in. The threads are not damaged, the bolt just vibrated out from factory torq being to low, thats my guess. If I were you I would repair that engine for your customer. Helicoil is a great product, I have used them for years, dont be afraid of thread repair.
I have a 2011 Malibu. The timing chain went bad at 85,000 miles. The black guide was in several pieces when I took it out. The top guide was sheered off like the one you showed.
That’s a Chevy for you
i just did this about 4 months ago for my girl and she let the oil get low and now she got the p0016 and 17 codes and i just took it apart and i do not see anything out of time. the crank is at 12 o clock and the cams are 10 and 2 o clock so i;m not sure what to do. i changed the crank sensor the other day and the code returned, do you have any ideas?
What Brand timing chain set did you buy
@@AlexTheCarDoctor i got on off ebay that matched the numbers from rock auto, and i compared the new chain the old chain to make sure the marks were even. they were this engine takes 2 exhaust phasers i found out the hard way. i moved the exhaust cam counterclockwise to cause the tensioner to get slack to see if the tensioner was actually putting tension on the guide and it was i could see it move, i did the same to the intake going clockwise and the tensioner moved the same so i'm stumped. tomorrow i'm going to take it all back apart and redo it after i check the chain against the old chain again and to make sure the guides did not break off. and the tensioner is not actually broken. it was a 300$ kit plus the phasers. i will also take the phasers apart to make sure they are not busted inside. the old ones were all busted up inside. i do not believe the cam sensor both failed when it ran low on oil. the codes i found out indicate more then 16 deg out of time. that sounds like a jumped tooth. tell me if you can when i turn the crank keyway to 12 o clock is the 12 o clock to the ground or to the bottom of the block? or will the timing be relative to the marks so if the crank is a bit off the cams will be a bit off relative to their marks? so do you have any suggestions for me? thanks
@@bobpalmer4740 I learned the hard way messing around with timing parts of eBay now I only use Cloyes or other top brands. When I time up timing chains I always match up the color chain link with the mark on the ⚙️ of course it helps to know what General area they supposed to be which you have it correct 10 to 12 o’clock for cams and 12 o clock key way on crank
@@bobpalmer4740 it should be some dots on the sprockets to line up the chain links
@@AlexTheCarDoctor ok thanks i figure if the marks aligned to the sprockets then it is timed. if the crank is a bit off then the cam phasers would be just a bit off. but they still should be relative to each other. so i guess it is possible that when it ran low on oil it may have busted the phasers. so i guess i will have to take it all apart and take the phasers apart to make sure the fingers dd not break. i have had good luck getting car parts off ebay maybe i'm lucky. i thought maybe it jumped time on the crank when it ran low on oil as the codes showed up at that time. but like i say i took the crank bolt off and set the key to 12 o clock and then checked the phasers and they were still 10 and 2 o clock. i changed out the crank sensor and i do not think that low oil pressure would make the cam sensors fail. so what i will do is take it all apart and reset it all back and get 2 new cam sensors and see how it goes. providing that nothing has broken thanks
Hey Alex, please help me. I changed timing chain, both phasers (intake had a little play), solenoids, oil, oil filter, I cleaned the oil pan blocked with plastics. Now it sounds nice, but I continue having p0016 code. It disappears and goes back after 30 min of using. Please guide me.
Plus, I installed the improved bolt for the black tensioner guide.
sounds like its a tooth out of time
I fixed p0016 cleaning camshaft sensors and the part of the camshaft that the sensor detect. Also I cleaned the crankshaft sensor.
How can you tell if the car has jumped timing and or check the timing of the car?
I have done everything I can, to find the misfire, ECM, Coil pack , plugs, leak down test .
My timing chain has slack, can that cause the misfire?
before I replace the timing chain with a whole kit. the timing has not jumped time yet.
Yup, drill a hole and add a threaded insert. New timing kit and back on the road. That’s how we do. Heck we’ve even spot welded the bolt for good measure.
Good video thanks for sharing👍🏼
I'm wondering if you have come across and 2.4 engines that are stuck and if you have.....what was wrong when you tore them apart? ty and keep up the good work!!!!