Elon Musk: "The End of 4680! This ALL NEW Batteries Material Tech Change Everything 2024!" (MIX)
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Elon Musk: "The End of 4680! This ALL NEW Batteries Material Tech Change Everything 2024!" (MIX)
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In fact, we don't really know that we are taking this much amount of energy in an hour.
But if we had to think about it, one guess would be that it would take about 50 years or so to produce this amount of energy. So storage solutions should be prioritized in this urgent problem.
Good to hear narration by an actual human, mistakes and all 👏
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For ICE cars I don't see anybody going much over 150k or 200k miles before ditching there car . I got 320k once with a motor change.
I begin to doubt the story when the battery is praised for enabling some unspecified car to travel 1000km on a single charge with no reference of energy to weight, volume and cost.
Exactly, I gave thumbs down
It says 240wh\kg wich means that 1000 km is a lie.
Range is dependent on the battery size and the car, not just battery chemistry, so how can these comparisons these comparisons be meaningful?
THÔNG TIN RẤT HỮU ÍCH, XIN CẢM ƠN!
I've been hearing about new battery types every month it seems. There's about a dozen different types out there all claiming to supplant the lithium-ion. While I welcome that, I have yet to see any of them hit the market.
Very interesting and informative and I think it's absolutely awesome 😎😎🤩🤩
Zu meinem Wissensstand bis September 2021 besitzt Volkswagen (VW) einen Minderheitsanteil von etwa 26% an der chinesischen Batterieherstellerin Gotion High-Tech Co., Ltd. (auch bekannt als Guoxuan High-Tech Co., Ltd.). Dies wurde als Teil von Volkswagens Bemühungen um den Zugang zu Batterietechnologie für seine Elektrofahrzeuge bekanntgegeben.
So Battery packs out today it’s difficult to choose? Even more difficult is finding them, they don’t exist as yet, if they do could you tell me where to buy them???
You have no idea how refreshing and encouraging your leaving in the verbal stumbling around "electro-chemical" is for me. For months now I've been unsettled watching TH-cam and detecting obvious AI content creation. Maybe it's an anachronistic mentality of mine, but I LIKE to know you're a person putting this together and creating these videos with your own...or a human voice. It sounds petty, but for some reason it matters to me. Got my sub, son!
I think this is AI voice actually. The tech is getting pretty good.
Nope, I'm wrong. 54:06
JUST one thing. Energy storage not involving BEV, so a home unit or grid storage needs to be made using two different technologies. The technology here is fine for home storage units.
NO lithium solution is good for grid storage regardless of the fact it's being used already. The amount of grid storage needs is much too large to use any of these elements.
The only GOOD solution I've seen for grid storage is iron REDOX flow batteries, where the main two ingredients is water and iron. There ARE no rare earth materials in it. And while lithium isn't rare earth, the demand based on BEV will already be great so using lithium for grid storage too just doesn't work well. It would take too long to get to the amount of grid storage needed.
Simply the BEST!
Elon Musk for King 👑✨👑 King of the World
That might be even worse than Trump.
Musk is not the inventor of any of these technologies. He uses his money (and therefore influence) top get others to create what he wants. He is simply someone willing to step outside the box when it comes to technological thinking. Something we could get just as much of if we stopped worrying about being profitable and focused on what is good for society.....sorry marketeers, there are other ways of thinking of people being motivated than money.
Never. Kings are a realy bad idea.
Lithium is dangerous so Elon is great to develop these new batteries.
And once I heard a U.S. automaker with good credit or exceptional credit, there is only one. TSLA
The best solution is to use redux flow batteries for grid storage and lithium based batteries for automotive.
Flow batteries have 30+ year lifespans without degradation. But lower energy density.
This allows higher energy density batteries to focus on mobile applications. Allows for faster scaling of storage solutions and less resource competition.
A 4000 cycle life for a battery is only a 10 year life if charged daily. Not great for grid storage. Ok for a car.
Actually 4000 charge cycles is 4000 full charge cycles. Daily charging will only rarely be a full charge. Suppose a car has 300 miles range and the battery lasts 4000 full charge cycles. The expected number of miles that the car can cover in the battery lifetime is 4000x300 = 1,200,000 miles. This means that the battery will outlast the car. I believe current lithium ion batteries are good for 1000 full charge cycles; that still gives 300,000 miles lifetime range and very few cars are going to get anywhere near that.
People are dumb.
EV batteries need to have very high specific energy and power density, both on a volume and mass basis. They need to withstand vibration and be extremely tough, they need to charge or discharge fully at very high rates of just a few minutes. They can be quite expensive on a kwh/charge cycle lifetime.
Grid storage batteries have no energy or power density requirements. They can be extremely fragile and not handle vibrations at all, and are fixed in place by rigid installation. They only need to charge over hours or days and discharge the same way. They need to be extremely cost effective on a kwh/charge cycle lifetime.
They couldn’t be more different design requirements yet dumb people go duhhhhh um lithium! Maybe on a minutes to hour they can be short term cost effective in niche locations but the reality is we need better grid storage solutions that aren’t lithium based.
Old EV batteries that will be very cheap can fulfil grid storage requirements because they are over specified.@@hugegamer5988
solid state wins all factors
Batteries makeup and sales to me would be smart based on area climates.
???
Impossible dreams of a clean transition to these dreams.
1,800 times recharge at high temperatures comes out to 4.9 years of daily charge battery life for 1,000KM or 630mile range. I’m sure those kilometers/miles won’t be consumed within a day but perhaps a week of extensive use. If battery is recharged weekly it would give a life expectancy of about 34 years which is more reasonable. If Tesla develops an easy swappable battery pack to renew batteries after “X” amount of time to extend the life of vehicles for a reasonable maintainable price, this would be an indefinite game changer.
Yeah sure…. Every week there’s an announcement of a revolutionary new battery.
In the tech world marketing/sales drives technical innovation. There are a lot of people/companies working to one up the others on battery technology.
@@msomething3579 My son has a Masters in chemical engineering, did his thesis on battery technology and he says there is only 10 to 15% improvement left in the further development of these large EV batteries. And it will take many years of R&D and vast amounts of money to extract those improvements.
We better figure it out I don’t think it will be impossible we are making huge strides in technology every day. The plants and trees figured out how to get all they need from the sun . We should be able to figure out how to do it we are smarter than a tree .
This one’s a M3P goin into project highland Einstein ….100% LEGIT!!!
I, as one, for sure, do not think that I'm smarter than a tree.
We and them....(us and the trees dummy) may have almost all of the same DNA.....but the trees have been making a living with their DNA considerably longer than we have. Lol. So stop going around claiming that we are smarter than a tree. Ha ha.
If it provides 240 Wh/kg and a Tesla model Y gets 3.26 miles per kWh, then to have a 326 mile range, it will require 100 kWh, but since only about 80% of charge should be used, it'll actually need about 125 kWh which will require about 520 kg of battery (excluding the weight of the battery charging and monitoring system, the inverter, the battery case, and the associated cabling).
An ICE car that gets 32.6 mpg can achieve that same range with 10 gallons of gasoline, but let's similarly expect you want that range with 20% reserve, so the tank will need to hold 12 gallons and 12 gallons of gasoline weighs about 34 kg. That's 484.5 kg less than the EV battery. The gasoline only weighs 6.7% of what a battery weighs.
How long to charge and how long will this battery pack last
so much new battery tech!!! I wonder what the real endgame is??
Well this is my Observation: The Electric Motors they have Created are out of this 🌍. ( maby backwards engendered from alien Tec ) The Energy Supply is not there yet by a long shot. Batteries that can Hold & Supply what is need for the long haul Weak at best. Some even Dangerous. Guessing No Alien Blue Prints to design them from. Sooo the Mad race is on to perfect & Energy Supply= To these electric motors of superior Design. The one who comes up with it wins the Prize 🏆. TRILLIONS on open market !!!
For Musk a severe boost for his Get to Mars & Build a city or whatever. These Batteries or Energy Supply will be a Huge Leap in Technology. Waiting but not holding my Breath !!!
Ride a Bike😅
I stopped when you missed the truth, the Italian gigapresses are for injection molded aluminum subframes
Cybertruck’s stainless steel body panels are folded like origami
It's incredibly difficult to repair dented stainless steel sheeting. The Cybertruck is a joke.
I was watching a video where they dented a stainless fridge and then slammed the sledge hammer into the door on a Cybertruck and it left no mark. You are not going to be getting little dings in a Cybertruck. Anything seriously damaging a Cybertruck's skin for it to need repair will have totally destroyed a common vehicle.
185 to 240 would mean a 20+ percent in cost given equal cost to manufacture. More if they're cheaper to produce.
Why don't companies realize that Customers want QUALITY they don't want to have to change batteries and deal with constant service!!! Build a better battery and the public will buy it LONG LIFE AND RELIABILITY!!!
What do you mean tested at room temperature. I live in Texas does that mean toasted at 80 degrees during summer, which means it's 103 out side?
It stores 26% more energy per unit of volume, but makes the range 3x to 4x larger and the battery will be smaller (smaller volume).
Does not make sense. 26% more energy per unit volume should increase range by .26 for a 1.26 range over existing battery.
It not a linear climb to 300 terrawatts hours. The battery packs have a 10 year life so in 15 -20 years they will struggle to add more packs into the system cause they start needing replacemrent packs almost as fast as they are adding capacity. Maybe by then they willl doing batteries the size of a swimming pool and it will not be a problem.
A monopoly house with eves, I like it. And you’ll be super tight when you do the vacuum test.
Nilcola Tesla’s Patten of 1893 zero point electric and electric car no batteries 😎✌️👀
If sodium is used (salt) the largest source is salt from the sea? If salt is extracted wouldn’t the byproducts be water? Couldn’t that water be used for other things? For example replenish our dwindling freshwater supply?!
Mined salt is cheaper.
@@nunya___ Great! Go start digging!
@@lkendrix7782 It's already dug.
@@nunya___ No! Don’t stop till you get to China! There’s a joke here. See if you get it?!
Not really. Salt is produced by evaporation of brine in sunlight, among other methods. The water just enters the air as vapour.
Go Green? What about those free energy devices like the crystal genreator, the Rodin coil, and other devices that have been cut down by the profit machine?
Tesla is not going away from 4680 cell. They might change the chemistry over time, however many other EV are going to 4680 due to the the superior manufacturing process & scalling the production.
LMFP was an anounce of Tesla , scalling production need to be effective before ..
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Correct, plus the 4680 has the shortest wire distance electricity has to travel making its design 3% more efficient regardless of chemistry and this also reduces heat generated while charging and discharging making it easier to cool and should make batteries last longer.
It doesn't matter how short is the distance electricity has to travel, if it can't beat CATL in safety, range, and/or other metrics, it means nothing.@@johnlehew8192
Superior manufacturing process and scale is secondary. The very important thing is chemistry. Lithium ion batteries are nit capable of using superior cathodes due to limitations. Only Solid State batteries can and they are prismatic not cylindrical.
The question is, is this LFP manganese batteries flamable? Is it safe?
BYD refuse to help Tesla on their 4680 battery problems!😂 Only Ford was interested in taking a look at it!😮
Then there is the SSSB(Sodium Solid State Batteries)currently tested in the TESLA One. Those could change everything once dialed in. Low energy density = store less energy. Once dialed in and chemistry tweaked. No more liquid, or fires. Disposability much safer. Its coming!!!
just becase its a solid electrolyte doesnt mean fires go away. Worse, solid electrolyte tend to get hotter than liquid in the short-circuit case.
That is Taylor Wilson
I don’t understand why the price of cobalt was at three different prices per tonnage during the talk, and I wonder if most of this was generated by GPT?
Actually, that was because of a collage of dated videos. As one other comment has stated, about 3 minutes of non-dated material in the entire video.
At 32.36 in the video is that a Cyber truck or a Rivian?
Any battery can travel 1000km if you just put it in your pocket when you get on a plane.
Starting to get to the mileage you need to provide longer time to recharge
For years now we have been promised 400 kilowatts and up per kilo for solid state batteries and other types also and instead it seems to be going down. 190 kw/kg Really?
It's great that an electric car has a good battery.
How many ground breaking earth shattering batteries will it take to stop all the hype. The only batteries that matter are the ones in a car that is running down a highway that was purchased and is in the real world.
Don't mean to be specific but how much can a person stand.
I think it's Ram that is the US auto maker. They're 2 years out from their RAM REV. And are claiming a 500+ mile range.
people forget on average 60 to 80% of their energy requirement is heat. heat storage is far cheaper and easily installed then batteries. and even then in most cases simple upgrade to their conventional infrastructure will give them a great benefit. easily 1/2ing their yearly energy requirement and in the relation to heat requirement drop it by 80 to 90% . then the cost of batteries and solar is quite cheap after that
For domestic or industrial heating it could be awesome. We could heat whole deserts and mountains from excess electricity generation and solve the curtailing issue. Here's hoping.
And all that heat has to dissipate somewhere, and the oceans are already at their safe absorption limits. The basic nurseries of our oceans, the reefs, are already bleaching and dying because of excess heat. It is all a system, kill one piece of it and it all dies...and us with it. The Earth can reach a new stasis without us.
lemme know when you exceed Amprius Batts power density 450 Wh/Kg,,
GM is the leader in battery technology. Tesla is 20 years behind!😂
Unless LFP battery variants solved cold weather charging discharging problem any LFP batteries are only good for temperature conditioned energy storage applications. LFP doesn’t charge in freezing temperature, and any variants that does do so at very low C rate. Unless LMFP matches cold weather charging performance similar to MNC this video is advertisement for Gotion.
4680 is just the form factor.... it could contain magic jelly beans and still be a 4680. if the LiFePSiCHAu... ninja turtle battery is the next big thing, they will just put their big brains together and change the formula.
Yes no real construction facts given . Testing is not mentioned .
I agree with choiceblade. This entire video is a mismosh of information. Contrary to real data
Tesla is a company concerned about doin th right thing…… TERES AN UNDERSTATEMENT
2010 LA Nissan iv concept car.. power in the wheels. Then go look at John bedini ssg motor
CATL & BYD blade will be the winner.
LFP is aourn 180 watts per kilogram the LMFP is around 220 to 240 the 2170 NMC is around 270
Great comment
Series Parallel and Parallel Series
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How realistic are the milages given? Are they a very carefully driven car in ideal conditions on a route with no hills with as much weight as possible removed from the car? Or are they what an ordinary person would get with a passenger driving in normal conditions?
Lab conditions benchmarking. Ask voltswagon about that.
I actually get about 10% higher range than that specified for my Skoda Enyaq. I don't go mad but I do not drive particularly carefully either.
The 4680 cell is optimized for thermal performance, and the package can take a range of chemistries. I predict they will stay with it in the US.....but The Blade concept is very attractive.
Elon Musk here it UTAH is the great salt lake would make a great bate for a new company. Elon Musk i would life to meat you sue day.
The county landfill recycle center pays $24.50 an hour to start. Then they take anything they can fix and sell home with them for free. They fight amongst themselves for big ticket items.
Poor Panasonic they've only started laying groundwork on their 4680 factory
Ev party jus started
So what? All it is is a somewhat larger can to put the stuff into. Apparently energy density is not all that special anyway.
AND COLD WEATHER TESTING!!!!!!!!!!!
Home energy batteries needed in Hawaii. When will it be?
Good content, but Weird pacing on the audio speed edit or AI text to speech with this video
Bla bla bla !! What about the cost for this battries !!?? Are they eco for the planet !? Are they cheap !?? Are only for rich people !! 😮 So !? What about the people of our planet !!?? Green means for all people !!
Try listening bro, they started with how it will be cheaper
What is being said at this time is because the components are less rare and less expensive that battery costs will also drop for the same range.
Lol. Like you’re the only one that thinks about these things genius. Blah blah blah yourself
Listen all the way and maybe, just maybe keep your mind open - things are improving rather fast
A good book on how to frugally colonize our solar system is Second Exodus Colony. Located at the Internet Archives. Read and learn. Free to pass along. 😊😊😊
When I was a fireman I learned that magnesium is highly valuable cannot be extinguished with water or that matter if you put water on it it will explode how do they solve that problem
Manganese, not magnesium. Different animal.
I wonder how much weight does it add to the car ,
Not manganese but instead
Sodium ion
Tesla has several battery factories. I don't think they'll start buying batteries from a company in China. Tesla may be planning to produce their own LMFP batteries. The USA will be the top lithium producer in a year or two. Tesla has a patent on a new lithium extraction process. They drill a well kind of like an oil well. Exxon Mobile has already announced that they are drilling for lithium in south Arkansas. The new lithium refinery in South Texas should go into production in 2024. This will end the lithium rock ore mines in the USA.
Wie schwer & Belasten Batterien Füllungen haben...............?
You didn't get Elon when he spoke about Lithium refinement not the content of the batteries
So how does this spell the end of the 4780battery,
51:57 I study double usage of words and this is the first time ive found one that is spoken and not written, intriguing!
4680 is a form factor that has not even hit any kind of big production levels. The current one from Tesla is not as good as the 2170 for energy density.
As tesla regard, there might be more important factors, like power handling, battery heating anad battery chraging speed that might make 4680 far more superior to 2170.
54:01 wth hell dude it sounded like you stroked out saying "transitioning" lol
Toyota, since 2011: " WE have the Solution"....Toyota since them: producing NOTHING.
Toyota Stock since 2011: Dooooown!
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Waaay Over My Head!
52:12 That's 2 million km longegevity, not capacity. Please try not to conflate these. This will confuse people.
Anyway, sodium batteries are not suitable for vehicles anyway, so km is not the relevant unit. Great potential for grid storage though, where energy density is less crucial.
pil konusunda nereden nereye gelindi.
At the absolute end of their life,how much of the 'decomposed'battery material can be re-used/re-processed and re-cycled into new batteries ? or is that too expensive compared to mining new minerals ?
It’s already being done with 90% efficiency. Biggest problem so far is that there is not enough old batteries to feed existing reprocessors.
It is already happening. Tesla has a battery recycling plant. In many countries it is mandated that all parts of a car are recycled. Manufacturers face big penalties if they do not comply. That means that recycling is happening anyway.
Google "Redwood Industries" and "JB Strauble". Strauble was a founder of Tesla and Redwood is his company, which recycles batteries with over 90% of the materials recovered.
4680 production at Hawthorne ramping, new 4680 production in China, and Berlin back in Tesla's battery plans. Tesla is not committed to any single battery chemistry, as long as it's safe, reliable, efficient, and can scale with Tesla's production needs. Tesla still needs a large US battery supplier because Panasonic has not scaled its US operations to meet Tesla's demand, which is why Musk decided to do the lithium refinery himself, ..."like printing money". Who doesn't want to supply batteries for Tesla? [WATCH OUT ...] if Tesla gets the 'dry' anode/cathode chemistry working, because that will be a game-changer. Tesla doesn't care who supplies the batteries as long as they fit in Tesla's packs.
Why don’t Tesla install that on the big truck???
most charger support only 60 kwh, it make no different , Car Manufacturer and Government should focus in Charger with high KWH and built more charger , but they throw most of the shitt to Tesla
Use egg shells in batteries!
What about the Aluminium Ion Graphene Battery? 3 times the energy density of Li-ion and 60 times the recharge speed.
Prototypes are easy
60 times the recharge speed may be OK in theory but I doubt you will ever see charging power in excess of 500kw. The cables are too heavy, requiring active cooling and disposing of the waste heat is also a problem.
@@rogerphelps9939 You won’t see that in home changing but when you can do those recharge speeds you won’t need home charging. The same “refueling” infrastructure model we have with ICE vehicles will work.
Home recharging is slow but is always cheaper so it will continue. As I have said, charging at more than 500kw is going to be extremely unlikely for cars. Maybe that will change if room temperature superconductors become a reality.@@richardhoulton4016
@@rogerphelps9939 So At Walmart (Electrify America /By VW) We already have several 350kW stations using actively cooled wires & CCS. I see no reason why megaWatt stations could not be used where needed. Just turn up the cooling pumps! We already have a megaWatt transformer here. You might need a new charging standard though.
Muskovite should join his 4680.
I'd love to recycle my batteries, but don't have any known recycling drop off point.
4680 etc are a form factor, not a chemistry.
way too many commercials!!!
The Chinese are so intelligent to invent these batteries.
so in the first 4 minutes this battery is 240 wh/kg.... and comparinga against lfp at 190.... but telsa is already at 280-300... and doesnt get half the range... so yeah.... sounds like grade a bs.
I thought all these Chinese batteries where all catching fire in China?
Fire works different in the U.S.
All??
FUD alert!😮
When are they going to discuss real recycling costs, what causes most electronics going to the landfill.
Sending electronics to landfill is stupid. It contains a lot of useful materials.
Why is'nt Taylor Swift's spent uranium nuclear power units not being used??
Gotion high tech not US base
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with all that energy its gonna turn your car into a firework ,,,,,,,,, judging by your country`s past record with electric cars and bikes .........