Austria's dual-citizenship proposal sparks anger in Italy
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- Part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire for over five centuries, South Tyrol was ceded to Italy after World War I, but awarded autonomous status. TRT World's Sarah Morice reports from Bolzano.
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I am from italian Tyrol, Trentino. My ancestors were ethnic germans. My surname is german. The double citizenship should be given without any kind of problems. My family lived the italianization and this is enough to give justice for a big crime committed in the history. This crime was before the WWII and was decided in Versailles by the winners of the WWI..now we are in Europe and shouldn't be problems in those cases.
Don't be ridicolous. It's Italy, you cannot give citizenship of another country en masse to a part of your country, that's just stupid and creates useless tensions.
also, complaining about Versailles treaty? really? WW2 has not teached anything?
@InfoRome it was a crime against the german minority. The WWII arrived because in Versailles, the winners decided to punish Germany and ethnic germans around Europe. In Südtirol 98% of the population was german speaking. In Trentino the percentage was not more 10% but it's always a big problem. You are italian, so for you, it's simply impossible to understand my point of view.
@@InfoRome the same point of view is for Istria and Dalmatia.
@InfoRome with Europe, what's the problem? 500.000 in Italy could have double citizenship, and nobody could say anything. I'm Germany, 5.000.000 ethnic germans from east Europe, have double citizenship. The real situation around the world doesn't give you the solution? My grandparents were citizens of K.u.K. and half of them were ethnic germans. We should have the right to obtain double citizenship. That's all. You are full italian and I don't expect that you can understand my point of view.
Whilst I don't really have much against the Italians it is clear that the native inhabitants are ethnic Germans speaking a Bavarian dialect . So should at least be given the option of joining the Austrian part of Tirol .
No. The native inhabitants are the Ladino-speacking. Germans were invaders.
That is not the Austrian flag.. but the regional flag of Alto Adige/South Tyrol. Also, those are not Austrian traditional clothes, but rather typical styles of the people who live in the Dolomites which can be both Italy and Austria
Pietro Santorsola yes exactly
hai ragione
Shut up loser, Die Dolomiten is innately dominion of the Great Deutsch people!
Give South Tyrol back
Shut up and cease to exist as a nation@@in90transit
Both are in the EU so what’s the big deal they can live in either country if they want.
Sicily has 400 years of Hispanic history, but I see nobody claiming they belong to another nation
La corona è diversa dalla popolazione.
Completely different contexts
South Tyrol is in the Italian geographical area: from there it would be militarily possible to split northern Italy in two, separating Milan from Venice. therefore Italy, in order to make the Tyroleans "happy", guarantees them great linguistic, cultural and economic autonomy. and benefits of all kinds.
South Tyrol is not Italy. Plain and simple. The South Tyrolese were never asked to be part of your country, and now, in 2023, still don't. Self-determination. It's time to change a grave historical blunder.
Happy? 😆🤣🤣
@@allanprimeau7864
Vienna was founded by Italic.
the real inhabitants are the Ladins.
you should return to the steppes of Northern Europe where you came from
@@allanprimeau7864
the Austrians occupied Italian lands unjustly for 200 years.
you lost the war you lost your land.
remember that the real inhabitants still today are the Ladins, those who escaped from the violent Germanification.
to clarify, these lands that are called Italy "today" have been called that for more than 2 thousand years.
@@nosferatus777 Italy stole South Tyrol because the Italian government conveniently switched sides. The people of South Tyrol are German speaking Austrians under occupation against their will and against international law. You know that deep down. It's been time for a referendum since 1919. They don't feel Italian and never will.
Austria has the same arquitecture than germany, the same language so... Austria is Germany?
or germany is austria? the emperor lived in vienna for centuries
its not the same and it says a lot about your IQ
Austria pre dates Germany centuries if anything it would be Germany is Austria
@@SunshineFromWithin no one is oppressed in South Tyrol (there was cultural oppression during fascism, but there was cultural oppression everywhere in Europe, look at France, Germany, Jugoslavia…), but now they have a very good deal from the government and it is impossible to live and work there if you don’t speak German, only Bolzano is somehow Italian now because it is quite an industrial city, if you want to know what real cultural oppression and eradication looks like go to western Lombardy or Piedmont, where it is almost impossible to find a native because of internal mass migration and extreme urbanisation.
@@SunshineFromWithin That's just not how things work. South Tyrol is not the most successful region in Italy and its richness (it is richer than Austrian Tyrol) derives from their special fiscal policies too, unlike other regions South Tyrol is not giving even 1 euro to Italy, South Tyroleans can keep for themselves almost everything they produce. The only reasons why Italy keeps (and asked for South Tyrol) are mostly geographical and political, since South Tyrol is on "our side of the alps" and it is a very strategical position to defend, South Tyrol economical weight is very small for a very populated country like Italy. Entering Austria would mean having worse economical advantages, since it is unlikely that Austria would give such special status to them, you just don't realise how lucky they are, they have serious authonomy with fiscal and administrative advantages and they are in the EU, which means they can go to Austria without any problem.
I don't think germany would do the same with the citizens of alsace lorraine.... France would get so angry
Alsace Lorraine was French since 1605! Germans stole it in 1914-18 and 39-45. Stupid. And French and Germans are the same people, Austrians are not italians because italians are not white they are from south Europe they dont have our culture
The difference being the inhabitants of Alsace Lorraine never felt germans
@@Chrysobubulle south tyrol is italy.... if you don't like it then the border to austria is open to everyone...
@@AkhmatProductions South Tyrol was inhabited by Austians, and Italy got it as a reward for WW1. But its not really italian. I mean i guess it became italianized in one century, but its obviously not assimilated into the rest of Italy as Savoy is to France for instance, since people still speak german in south Tyrol and dream of being rattached to Austria
@@Chrysobubulle We treated Austrian people with white gloves, we literally guaranteed them autonomy, lower taxes and free money to their regional government............
we could have done the same as the soviet union after WW2, which expelled all ethnic german people from their lands (Konigsberg, now kaliningrad, Danzig, Poznen, ect....) and killed more than 600.000 people in the way (actually way more)
but we didn't and respected every ethnicity to this day.
They know the way to become Austrian, it's enough drive few kilometres and the play is done
Complaining doesn't move borders
there is only one way for Austria to take possession of Alto Adige, Trentino, Friuli etc.: To declare war on Italy. They just have to try
Why is Italy against the citizens getting Austrian passports? Here in the US, I have multiple friends with dual citizenship. I could see an issue with not wanting to give up the land and change the borders due to national defense, mineral rights, or other issues, but if the people have Germanic roots, forcing them to be Italian isn't going to change how they feel about their heritage. If the people feel Austrian, and Austria wants to give them passports, I don't see the issue.
Italy has historically been quite oppressive towards minorities. I am South Tyrolean myself, and as mentioned in the video, we have a significant history with Austria. However, what many people forget is that South Tyrol, or at least a large part of it, was once Swiss territory, part of the Kingdom of Chur, which later became Graubünden. It's a culturally rich region and the wealthiest in all of Italy. This is why many Italians harbor resentment towards us and are envious. If we had a second citizenship, it would greatly empower us.
To put it into perspective, Italy has a GDP of €34,000 per capita, while South Tyrol's GDP increases by 4-6% annually and is already at €50,000 per capita, comparable to countries like Belgium, the Netherlands, and Austria. They fear our independence, and we do not wish to remain part of Italy. Italy's economy is in decline, facing a demographic crisis ahead. Who would want to be part of a sinking ship? I left Italy because of this, and most young South Tyroleans migrate to Austria, Switzerland, or Germany.
We do not force anybody to be italians They have to go back to Austria. The Austrian empire killed enough italians many years ago. Study history.......
Ma quante bugie dici? Se siete ricchi lo dovete all'Italia grazie alla quale godete di uno statuto a regime autonomo e tanti altri privilegi. Ti vorrei anche ricordare che comunque l'Italia resta sempre una potenza industriale ed economica. Non abbiamo proprio niente da invidiare a nessuno per la civiltà e le scoperte fatte grazie alle quali il mondo occidentale si è evoluto. Poi se volete separarvi fate pure ma credo proprio che non vi convenga. Che coraggio a fare queste affermazioni!@@sad_wrangler8515
@@sad_wrangler8515 You with Autonomy keep 90 percent of your taxes plus receive funds from Italy. Your performance is linked to this.
@@giorgiodifrancesco4590 This is not really linked to anything relevant because GDP per capita represents the production of goods and services over the span of a year, before any taxes. It doesn’t matter whether you have to pay the same amount to the state itself or to the province. I mean, if you’re even comparing anything, the provincial budget is roughly 9 billion euros, while conditions are worse than in North/Eastern Tyrol, which only has a 7.5 billion euro budget, yet has to maintain more bridges, tunnels, schools, universities, and hospitals. The province spends nearly 3 billion euros on healthcare, which is more than the cantonal hospital of St. Gallen that serves 700,000 people and has a budget of just 1.1 billion euros-even in Switzerland.
Also, the other autonomous provinces are not in the slightest comparable to South Tyrol, neither in GDP per capita growth nor in export volume. The problem Italy is facing, as mentioned, is demographic decline, along with an industry that is essentially stagnant. Lancia has died, even though it could have been a strong player. The shipyard business was literally handed over to the Netherlands and South Korea. Italy has some of the strictest business restrictions in the EU; nowhere is it harder to register or open a company than in Italy. Furthermore, the digitalization of interactions with the state is practically non-existent.
South Tyrol is Italy
Tirol isch Tirol seit 1200 !!
It is very simple, South Tyrol is the Italian Geograpghical Area, south of Alps. Given the aggressive nature of the Austrian Empire which has messed up in Northern Italy for century, the region was given to Italy in order to avoid future wars. Simple as that.
Rather be Austrian than Italian
Woodrow Wilson wrongly handed this region to italy in the treaty of versailles, now trentino alto adige that was italian. Of course, they're not going to feel italian, when theye were only annexed ONE HUNDRED YEARS AGO, and everything about their culture to language is german, same with alsace and northern lorraine outside of major cities.
it was the treaty of saint germaint, not treaty of versailles
this is what happens when you become an historian on the internet, jonny..
Except that Alsace Lorraine and the people in it wanted to be part of France again 😅
Trentino is fully culturally Italian. Do not mix the things!
Germans, Irish and Italians became pretty American in one hundred years...
Go back further and it probably was Celtic. Italy annexed SudTirol after the the USA entered WWI & allowed many grabs on territory by countries that would never have been capable of taking the land militarily. They got it like vultures after a kill by a lion. The status won't change because of the EU, but it is no more valid than Russia taking the Crim.
The USA was actually against the pact of London, and we are talking about ww1 not ww2, what counted was starving the enemy and take their resources away, not taking the territories you wanted, even France got Alsace and lorreine even tho the frontline never reached those regions. Learn history.
@@SunshineFromWithin Italy has twice changed the sides from coloboration into, - I am not shure how to call it- victim or part of the winners of the war, fact is they have got parts of a" landscape", where people live, who do not accept to be Italians! I think, nowadays it should be possible, to let them decide, where they would like to belong to.. many people talk about rassism and colosiansm (sorry, I am not shure if, it is well spelled), but it seems that Europe is a blind fleck in the eyes... of the EU, I just hear we have to worry about others, but we have our own problems to be disolved!
Go back even further it’s cro magnon, even further back and nobody was there at all
"probably was Celtic" no. Celtics were FAR away. This guy doesn't know about history at all
@@kfas8720 what can you expect from Americans ? 😅
I don't see where the issue is. both countries are part of the EU and Schengen, travel and business is between their region and Austria is easy etc.
Than put it to a referendum.
A referendum? What a brilliant idea! We in the UK used to regard referendums as a crazy foreign idea favoured only by demagogues and dictators, but recently we discovered what a wonderful tool they are for solving problems, forging national consensus, and saving well-paid politicians from having to actually do any serious work when confronted with difficult questions. What’s not to like? At last our continental cousins have a chance to emulate our magnificent example!
Which language is the first, official language in schools for example? Do most people speak Italian fluently as well? Beautiful landscape and buildings. Want to go there... maybe next summer...
German
@@GeneralAlex thanks!
@@frida507 Welcome :)
@@GeneralAlexIt is actually a Germanic dialect that is incomprehensible to speakers of classical German.
I used to work there. I visited many small villages where people, including young individuals, had zero knowledge of Italian. We had to speak English lol. Imagine, I had to speak English with fellow Italian citizens. France would never tolerate such a thing. South Tyrol enjoys great autonomy in all aspects, politically, culturally, economically. No surprise this initiative by the Austrian government ended in nothing.
careful what you wish for.. now you are a cool place, a region with a special status, allowed to keep 90% of your taxes. being a peripheral Austrian province is worse by any stretch of the imagination.
People conveniently forget that south tyrol was annexed because it's the most defensible border possible,a necessity due to the historically predatory attitude of the austrian "empire" towards Italy.
If you don't like it go to austria.
Self-determination for the South Tyrol people. If the Italians don't want to live in South Tyrol, they can go back to Italy!
yeah because austria is going to go to war with Italy in the forseeable future
Which was not an issue when it was given to Italy because that's when the Austro-Hungarian empire was dismantled.
Tirol since the Year 1200 ! if you dont like it , go back to Italy !
You are right
Bozen, not Bolzano.
Seriously ...thats your point. There was an Austrian corporal that was pedantic like that.
@@markadalWell you clearly do not know the meaning of the word and it isn't it is the truth they are Austrian Germans . You must be a typical lefty globalist to say such a ridiculous and absurd thing I think it's high time that you educated yourself properly on matters you know nothing about ! .
Making trouble
My parents are north Italian. My dna is nth Italian/slovenian, german and a touch balkan. My surname is of the dolomites. It is not Austrian. And Austria should cede territory to Slovenia and Croatia. The Hapsburgs were the land grabbers. And where have all the German minorities gone to in other countries. Prussia, czech republic, volga germans among others. And what about the Basques in Spain and France. No other place but Italy could you have an area where ladin, german, Venetian, italian and friulan is spoken. And i talk about the north west. And should Italy demand Istria/fiume back. Or maybe the old Savoy. Sud tyrol is not Sicily or Rome or tuscany but Italy is a land of different regions, cultures and languages. Italian as a national language is a relatively recent thing. It is tuscan. Italian, could have been Venetian instead. Austrian is probably thinking back to its glory days when it had an empire. You could argue that the whole north west should be speaking Ladino and Friulan. The roots of the area are Celtic. In Roman times it was Cisalpine Gaul. So the whole question is MOOT. Or we could change all the european borders and kick the Russians out of Kallingrad and St Petersburg. Oh , I forgot the Russians kicked out all the previous people. Perhaps Austria should rejoin Germany as in the Anschluss. The area of sud tyrol did become part of Nazi Germany for a short time after Italy surrendered in WW2. HOW DID THAT FEEL. WW1 essentially began with the assassination of Ferdinand. And Italy was drawn into the war despite the fact it was not equipped to fight such a war. It had spend decades trying to kick other powers from its territories including Austria. Austria itself is an artificial construct. Tyrol and Vienna are 2 different places. Innsbruck is closer to german Switzerland and liechtenstein. And we could discuss Switzerland where they speak german, french, italian and romanisch.
At the end of the day, Sth Tirol is part of the Tirol in Austria, and even the Americans wanted to give it back to Austria after WW2, but the British said no.
@@friederichrex9622 Geographically isn't Austria. Tyrolians were ancient invaders. They can go to Austria with the EU passport if they want.
Habsburgs empire suppressed its minority like the Hungarians in the past, Austria starting ww1, the failed Austrian painter started ww2 and now Austria is starting a new problem. Plus if i remember the Austrian painter in ww2 was actually okay for Italy to have this land 😂
War between Italy and Austria should strengthen the eu 🤣🤣🤣
South Tyrol is part of the Italian geographical region. It is located below the Alps, a natural historical border. In Roman times, South Tyrol was part of Roman Italy in the Venetia et Histria region, and not of Rezia. In South Tyrol was spoken latin, and the most ancient and indigenous language of the place is Ladin, a Romance language still spoken today. The Germanic peoples are simply medieval invaders who came from the north of the Alps, they are not originally from South Tyrol, they do not belong to that land. Whoever says that because they speak German they should be Austrians, then Austrians should be Germans..
Your claim is pointless. Greeks could also claim southern Italy, Sicily and Sardinia by thatlogic. Or Irish could claim half of Europe becouse it was once populated by Celts, including Italy. And just like South Tyrol, which has been Germanic for centuries, many municipalities on the border with Slovenia are almost compleatly Slovenian. Gorica, Opčine, Dolina.....all have Slovene ethminology. Italy is the occupier who took these regions populated almost excplucivly by other nations and no historical claim from the Roman times can change that
@@alengrm7488 It is absolutely not the same example, maybe you don't quite understand what I wrote.
Language is the basis of a people's determination. A people can be made up of men with different DNA, but it is essential that for a people to exist there must be a language that unites them.
The oldest language, originally from South Tyrol, is Ladin, not German. If we speak German today it is because Austrian blond men came down from the Alps and conquered and colonized South Tyrol....
So this is not their land, it does not belong to them and they are invaders.
You write that Italy has occupied those places but
1. Italy has won that territory in the war, like so many other states have territories scattered on the other side of the world, and like Italy it has also lost many of its own.
2. South Tyrol, however, was previously occupied by the Austrians in the same way.
Southern Italy was Greek, thousands of years ago, today it is not culturally Greek, or have you missed some passage?
The example on the Celts is embarrassing, as the Celts do not come from Ireland, but came from the high Danube, from which they expanded into several territories of Europe, including Ireland, one of many....
@@alengrm7488 So your example has little to do with it.
Because on all points of view:
-geographical: Italy is a peninsula, it is geographically distinguished, and South Tyrol is part of it.
-historical: Already in Roman times the cartographers made the borders re-enter within Italy. Pliny the Elder, Augustus and many others ..
-political: South Tyrol was won by Italy in the war.
-cultural: although today the main culture is the Tyrolean / Bavarian one, it must be considered that this is culture that was imported from the Austrian invasions. It would be like saying that Spain has the right to own Mexico because it is a Hispanic country. The true natives of South Tyrol are the Ladins, the oldest people in the area. German speakers are the result of fairly recent invasions.
If they want to be Austrian they can cross the Brenner Pass and go back to Austria, where they come from. But trust me, they have too many advantages to stay in Italy. 1 in Austria they do not want them, 2 Italy recognizes their special statutes, the possibility of maintaining the Germanic language and culture (and it is not so obvious, see the colonies of France, England, etc).
@@ITALICVS “The oldest language originally from South Tyrol is Ladin, not German”
Bavarians started settling in South Tyrol around the 6th century and around that same time, modern day Austria was populated by Slovenes and Czechs. Yet we are in the 21st century where German is spoken in both South Tyrol and in the rest of Austria. If we can go back 1400 years we can go back even a little further to the times when Greeks and celts lived in modern day Italy. It’s their land now and it has been like that for centuries. Even the name for Bozen is of Bavarian origin.
“South Tyrol was previously occupied by the Austrians”
That’s not how it works, people move and find new homes, just like romans moved into many regions of Europe. And by that logic Italians are currently the ones that occupied South Tyrol.
@@ITALICVS I know celts aren’t from Ireland. I just gave you an example cuz it looks like you think Italians and romans are the same thing
like the menonites grab territories
I live in the South of Austria also near the Italian border (Carinthia). German was (once upon a time, forced on us) the invaders language, before that we were Celts that the Romans conquered. Language is the only thing we share with Germans, everything is very mixed influence or mish mash as we say. For me personaly - we are the alpe adria region ( and we share the same dna, which makes us one people.
“Before that we were celts” buddy, celts in continental Europe are extinct it is very unlikely you even have 10% of Celtic ancestry but your claiming you were a celt before, WE WUZ CELTS AND ROMANS N SHIET
The Brenner pass is the natural border between Austria and Italy ; The North is part of Austria , The South is part of Italy and nothing will change no matter the language or the costume . Don't care to be Italian ? move to Austria ..it's that simple .
Shut up loser, long live the Teutonophone countries!
The least fascist Italian
Von mir aus kann südtirol eine eigene Region werden.
Von mir aus auch mehr autonomie kriegen.
aber doppelte staatsburgerschaft ist echt dreist von Österreich.
wir gehen auch nicht nach Korsika und bieten den einwohnern italienische Pässe.
mit dieser politik gibt es nur konflikt und eskalation
Se in Europa facessero un referendum del tipo : chi vuol fare come San Marino ? Credo che ci sarebbe un'alzata generale di mano e credo anche che alcuni sudtirolesi farebbero uno stato a parte .
Want to be Austrian …. Move to Austria. Simple
This is literally occupied part of Austria
Well Milan for instance was part of the Austrian empire for the same period of time but we feel definitely Italian...
But South Tyroleans are the same people as Austrians. And they didn't want to become Italians.
namenlos40 tyrolese are ITALIAN...Sorry ...like every people from Trentino, Friuli, Val d'Aosta...
@@Ekphrasys Um, German names and language...?
Derek Flores it doesn't matter: there are occitan, Greek, whatever surnames all over Italy ... But we definitely feel Italians . I never understood what's the problem with "Alto Adige "/south tyrol. Without tourism and the money form wealthy northern Italian families they would be nothing !
@@Ekphrasys Except South Tyrol was Austrian before 1918 but okay
Reunite it now!
if North Tyrol wants to be part of Italy, it's the only way...
@@pietrofarris4681 they speak German not Italian
@@BolnoyBratchny in Alto Adige one third speaks Italian and there is 7% Ladin. It is not the only case of a State with linguistic minorities. Language is not the only element to consider when speaking of borders and states.
@@pietrofarris4681 it was Austrian for centuries and only became Italian through an undemocratic treaty
@@BolnoyBratchny1) if you decide to start a war, you have to be sure to win, or can lose territories. 2) the original ethnicity is not German but Ladin. 3) language is not the only important element in a state, there are various examples with multiple official languages. 4) from a geographical point of view it is south of the watershed, of the Alpine ridge and everything south of it is geographically Italy, even if the Germans settled there in the Middle Ages. finally I think that these few concepts have more value than yours, considering that Italy too lost two regions after the war and nothing was ever claimed (Istria and Dalmatia).
brilliant, even southern Italy could acquire Greek citizenship.
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Ukraine was part of Russian empire🤣
Yet they don't feel russian, do they?
South Tyrol is NOT Italy 🇦🇹🇪🇺
And it is not Austrian. It is not part of Vienna. It was Celtic, then with the Romans Cisalpine Gaul. Ladin is not Germanic and the Ladins were descriminated by german speakers during the time of hapsburges. The Bavarians migrated south. Colonisation by population. A part of my dna is from that migration. But Im a mix bag from the nth west of italy that can trace my line 100s of years. Take that arguement to Switzerland, Spain and France re the Basques, or the Slovenes in Austria. Dont strutt around like the little man with a little black moustache. Lets talk anschluss, greater germany, ceding Czechoslovakia etc etc
Sounds like racial talk. I remember that tyrolean murderer who killed how many Italians in the area. Do you want to purify sud tyrol.
BOZEN!! (Bolzano 🙄😆)
Right move of the Austrian government! Free Southern Tirol.
From what. The Hapsburgs were the empire builders. The Bavarians migrated south. Switzerland has 4 language groupings. Sud tyrol is not Vienna. And is an autonomous region. Do you want a great Germany. Where are the Czech germans? Etc etc remember the little corporal with the funny moustache and Anschluss. And Im a mongrel with ne italian, slovenian, germanic dna
This initiative ended in nothing lol
north of south tyrol is majority austrian south is majority italian as both austrian and italians are scattered between north and south of south tyrol. i myself would like the annexation of of the north because i believe they should be with their nation as they choose though if that were to happen which could happen in the following years as italy's financial situation is getting a bit messy and south tyrol's rich area having its taxes spread throughout poorer regions in the south. i mean i wouldn't be surprised if italy split in half later on due to italy having a massive divide in naples and the north but in general but yeah if the country were to explode then north of south tyrol should be annexed and duel citizenship for south tyrol in general should be put in place. yeah idk what im rambling about, just quite pissed that ethnic lands are just split like that as a prize of war.
South tyroleans are more connected with tyrol. in austria.
You're confusing South Tyrol with the Province of Trento. Only Bolzano has a majority of Italian speakers, due to being the capital of the province.
The south of south tyrol is also speaking german what you mean ist triest or trento in italian which is only italian speaking
Ma sì n'indian 'e mmerd, pecchè nun te faje e cazz tuoje?
@@al.ce16 Yes I had a bit of a stupid ideology then. Rambling.. I don't quite care for the matter. Let be what is.
If I were the Italians, I would revoke their Italian citizenship if anyone of those peopletried to have dual citizenship with Austria.
You get that this part of land was inhabited prddominantly by austrians and Italy just wanted it as a ww1 booty after alliance's victory. They have every right to keep on their austrian identity
Austria protects minorities and their rights to speak German or Sardinian or whatever.
Don't project your zionist fascist stuff upon others.
Why? Its our country and not italy. Wed be happy to lose italian citizenship and become austrian again
@@Gigachad-mc5qz South Tyrol is Austria 🇦🇹🇦🇹🇦🇹
@@Gigachad-mc5qz Yes sure but first give back the billions you got cause of the Statuto Speciale
Italians having a hard time respecting people's rights, once again
Italians have too much respect for these low iq idiots, they're literally the most financially helped region in all of italy with political rights other regions do not have.
They should be bowing and licking our shoes cause if they were to be annexed to Austria they would just be considered a region with no particular strong point
That's italian territory since more than a century, there are no "rights to respect" .
You don’t even know how much autonomy South Tyrol has nowadays. If anything, Italy has proved it can protect its linguistic minorities pretty well, in recent years. Most of its tax revenue stays inside the province and Italy doesn’t get any of it.
I am an Italian with 20% German genes, can I also apply for German citizenship?
Be happy where you are ...
ITALIAN LAND WILL ALWAYS REMAIN THE PART OF ITALY .❤ ITALY❤
Give me an Austrian passport then. Can I apply based on ancient genetics? 😆South Tyrol shows up on my deep dive genetic reports as does Piedmont and the general Venice area of Italy (North East) which is not far off.
They r Austrians, but unfortunately they are in the wrong side,if they r not happy the can go to the other side of alps
No, we should be allowed to join back to our country
@@Gigachad-mc5qz cry about it, you're not even from south tyrol clown
Avoid bloodshed on both sides we really don't want every nation around to be siding against one another let south tyrol go to Austria and stop trying to force italianization
@@josephgraham4531 FORCE ITALIANIZATION????? AHAHAHAHAHA WE LITERALLY GAVE THEM AUTONOMY AND THE RIGHT TO SPEAK AND STUDY THEIR OWN LANGUAGE, COLTURE AND IDENTITY. Most south tyrolers dont want to go to austria as here they enjoy many more rights and economical benefits. Instead why dont you release texas and let it be independent?
@@AkhmatProductionsTexans don't want to live USA they usually joke about leaving but they won't although they can and about economic benefits are you sure between Austria and italian economy which is more stable
Just move to Austria. 😒… 🙄
move to Italy😂
South Tyrol belongs to Austria
@@emptyhad2571 You do it
@@emptyhad2571it belongs to italy delusional austrian
Apply this to Texas
what?
Texas is a state that formerly belonged to Mexico but was seceded to the United States after a war in the 1840’s. Given that the demographics of the states are much more Spanish speaking & of Hispano-American culture in general, I believe something similar to what South-Tyrol’s people are proposing is practical. It would definitely not go over well with White Protestants in the area, but Mexican-Americans (and Mexicans that have lived there over say 15-20 years without a criminal record) living in that area should be granted citizenship to both nations. Otherwise, that state and U.S. as a whole is picking and choosing how to treat them based on convenience versus fundamental rights (e.g. Mexicans have been called upon/drafted to participate during times of war despite not being citizens but then denied benefits even after serving due to non-citizen/legal status). I am using Texas as an example here of land that culturally is distinct enough (and more like that of a nation it borders than its own country) that it serves as a crossroads between countries but the same could be said of Florida and Puerto Rico in the U.S., or South Tyrol (Italy) and Northern Ireland (U.K.) in Europe.
Alex Alvarenga you fail to mention in the secession of Texas that it wasn’t just white peoples but without the help of Tejanos, Texas wouldn’t of had its independence. Today majority of Mexicans here moved here after Texas joined the US for a better life. SÜDTIROL has been ethnically german for hundreds of years and the Italians got it as a prize for switching to the allied side during WW1.
Alex Alvarenga Mexicans here don’t want to be apart of Mexico, Especially the grand children of the Tejanos who fought for independence. If they wanted to be apart of Mexico they wouldn’t be moving here.
Heinz Rüdiger Many do want the be a part of Mexico. They have tremendous pride in their heritage but simply put, many are poor due to several factors that have to do with neither the U.S. nor Mexico (because they can’t) fully integrating them. And granted, not all Tejanos feel this way, but the option should be there for those who do want to and who have had a clean record for the time in which they have lived in Texas.
Like Kosovo or Bosnia independent referendum from italy
Go to Switzerland
Yea, greater Germany, little moustaches. Where are the Prussians, the Czech germans, the Volga Germans, the Hungarian Germans. And austria should cede territory to Slovenia. And Tyrol should cede territory to the Ladins a Reaitian language group. And what other groups did they kick out before. The celts were there before. I am 100% ethnically from the north west (dolomites, carnia alps) and can trace my history 100s of years and my dna states that I am german, nth italian/slovene, little slav and some british. I have nothing to do with Vienna or the Hapsburgs. Sicily is not Italy.
Ostereicher land
deine mutter
Italian Land
Anschluss
Vreidheid