Why Are North & South Italy So Different From Each Other?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 พ.ค. 2024
- ▶ In this video I talk about how North Italy is very different from the South in a number of indicators such as GDP, industry, population, unemployment or foreign residents. Before I do that I take a look at why those differences exist, going back in the history of the Italian Peninsula all the way back to the fall of the Roman Empire up to the point of its unification into the modern country we know today.
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00:00 Intro
00:32 Historical Context
04:26 Current Differences
10:56 Summary
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*Which other countries have significant differences between parts of their territories?*
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Geographically I would have to say Northern and Southern Germany
poland, clearly
Ukraine 🇺🇦
Most of countries actually... maybe the USA, Russia (divided West/Est), China (also West/Est), Japan (with Okaido in the south) maybe even England, or the UK as a whole
US internal divisions: California vs Everybody; the Mountain West vs the Urban East; the Midwest vs the South; the Gulf Coast vs the federal gov't; etc etc
The cities closer to the center of Europe are lucky to grow. That's why London is on the southeast of England or Milano is on the north of Italy or St.Petersburg is at most western part of Russia instead of located in Siberia.
If we go back in time, center was Mediterranean whereas Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Athens got the advantage to grow.
Center has moved to north after Industrial Revolution.
Its that big cities are everywhere around the world and they just need to generate and attract people from large area to grow big. I just think south-italy has got poor with their big immigration, while the cold north-italy has stayed rich with their good bankers from Milano example.
@@jout738 north of Italy stayed rich because of the bankster (gangster) but also because of the massive immigration from the south of Italy
Milano is the ugliest City in Italy.
@@yaylah7314 And foreigners. The South is Beautiful and Traditional
@@yaylah7314 Blah blah blah
I just want to point out one thing: Italy has a lot of dialects, but they're dialects of Italy, not of Italian. Makes a huge difference and that's something a lot of people would agree on, if they didn't regard the term "dialect" as inferior to "language".
Yeah and the languages from the North aren't even in the same sub-family as Italian as they're Gallo-Italic while the Central and South are Italo-Dalmatian. (Sardinian is also in a completely separate category of Romance language)
Moreover, in the North there is a small but not insignificant region where the majority of people (roughly 500.000), speaks austrian german
@@alexs.7915 Tutto ciò te lo sei inventato praticamente tu. In linguistica non esiste ancora una definizione ufficiale di cos'è una lingua o un dialetto, la definizione più supportata al momento è che una lingua sia un modo di parlare e un dialetto una variante di questo specifico modo di parlare.
Nel video viene mostrato una mappa, tutte quelle aree diversamente colorate sono diverse lingue in quanto non discendono dall'italiano, che vengono impropriamente chiamate dialetti per ragioni puramente politiche.
Il napoletano, per esempio, non è italiano. È un dialetto della lingua Napoletana (quella che si parlava nell'antico regno di Napoli), come lo sono i dialetti pugliesi, abruzzesi ecc. Ma non hanno niente a che vedere con l'italiano.
@@nyko921 nessuna lingua regionale italiana "ha a che vedere con l'italiano" (toscano-fiorentino scelto in virtù del suo prestigio letterario e di una presunta maggiore somiglianza con la pronuncia latina), il fatto che siano evoluzioni indipendenti del LATINO VOLGARE sul fondo (substrato) pre-romano (celti, veneti, etruschi, sanniti, greci) ecc. non lo avete studiato a scuola? si vede che a scuola insegnano ancora che i nostri antenati "hanno sempre parlato l'italiano" che "si parlava ugualmente in tutte le parti d'Italia anche prima dell'unità" come vuole la retorica risorgimentale!
@@commenter4190 È quello che ho detto. Hai espresso il mio stesso concetto con parole diverse.
Both of my grandmas were Italian but with ancestors at opposite ends of the country. They each spoke a different dialect and would fight over whose language was the correct one! Ah, good times. My sister and I would call them fric and frac because they were such characters.
Just speak Italian, that's the same for everyone regardless of the region
@@alessiovalentini4401 So tell the people of one region how to properly pronounce in Italian the words pronounced differently in an other region. LOL. We have simila in our Country. But telling the others that our way is superior is just not etiquette, if you know what I mean.
@@MikeGreenwood51 Sorry, but the Italian language is the same for everyone, it's not that a different language is taught or spoken depending on the region. What changes are the regional dialects and languages, but they do not derive from the Italian language
@@MikeGreenwood51 That's very ignorant of you. Italian is a language with rules and grammar, then there are dialects.
From what I see, the original comment was confused too since his/her grandmas were not italians but only had italian ancestors, so they only knew dialect.
But italian is one language and that's it
I lived in Southern Italy for 5 years, the people were great. Very warm and always treated me well. When I would visit the north of Italy, it was beautiful but the people were much more reserved and not as friendly.
Because we must work every days to help our country....did you see the video? In the South people normally are more relaxed because if you don't have a job and you can survive "where is the problem?".
@@memento316 aha😂
@@memento316 ma quando mai, siete fissati con sta cazzata, "noi lavoriamo noi qua noi la", ma per piacere.... fate le stesse ore di qualsiasi lavoratore al sud con la differenza che a noi non le pagano, anzi siccome da voi è meglio regolamentato ne fate anche meno , ho vissuto anni al nord, per esempio in trentino quando staccavano da lavorare (lavoravo in un centro commerciale) li vedevi tutti incazzati che correvano verso la macchina, mai un sorriso o un saluto, nemmeno in germania si atteggiavano così da coglioni che fanno tutto loro, anzi... invece al sud nonostante ci facciano scoppiare di lavoro non pagando un cazzo all ora, sono sempre tutti contenti appena finiscono di lavorare.. a milano per dirne una, è rarissimo ti salutino quando entri in un bar e quando ringrazi dopo aver comprato qualcosa ti dicono prego, mica grazie a te! poi il fatto che tu dica "did you see the video?" come se fosse legge fa proprio ridere,secondo te è giusto fidarsi di un tipo che al posto di Piemonte dice "PIEMO"? tralasciando la mappa dei dialetti che è estremamente ridicola....
@@ilmegliodellhiphopitaliano3589ma che al sud siano più socievoli non si discute. Però non è ubriacandosi di parole che vivi per forza meglio. Poi se parli del Trentino è come il Friuli, sono casi estremi. Milano non fa testo, c’è quasi più gente del sud che del nord…
@@memento316 This has nothing to do with work, your supposed patriotism or your incorrect assumption that friendlier people work less. It's a matter of materialism vs spiritualism oriented mindset due to ethno-historical context. Some people run after money, some people see more than money in life. Like always, a balance between materialism and spiritualism is optimal, going to extremes is detrimental, just like with everything that is a part of nature.
The north is undoubtely polluted because of its concentration of industries but there's also a geographical factor playing. The northern flatlands lie between the Alps and Appenines mountains which really traps air pollution in between. Being trapped between two mountain chains also repair ourselves by strong winds that usually sweep away smog. That said it is unfair to call the south prettier and the north uglier and polluted. The north is equally beautiful to me.
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@@youtubeyoutube936 udio fin che stai sotto le alpi (o come la chiamiamo in aviazione "zona laghi") ti do ragione, ma in mezzo alla pianura il paesaggio diventa rapidamente molto monotono (all'infuori di qualche centro cittadino)
People in England say the exact same things about the north and south of England but the other way round too Italy. That the south is less pretty ,more congested and less friendly than the North. Interesting as it's a similar situation too Italy in that sense.
"Il nord più brutto e inquinato" è ovviamente una stupidaggine. Trovo più accogliente il nord invece...
Saluti da Roma.
Ogni regione ha la sua tipicità,io vivo in provincia di Milano e a parte il triangolo industriale(Milano/Torino/Genova,pieno di industrie), il nord (che per moltissimi comuni cittadini si chiama PADANIA ) è pieno di cose bellissime da vedere per i turisti e viverci.Problema serio è il costo della vita che è doppio in confronto con altre regioni.🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️😑🙁
all of northern Italy is part of the blue banana, the richest and most productive area of all Europe and the world, which starts from the south of England, in the city of London, Paris and a part of north-eastern France, a part of western Germany and ends on all of northern Italy.
Italy is the second largest industrial and exporting power in Europe after Germany
It's the second largest manufacturing power for goods, not industrial in general. France is way bigger than Italy in heavy industry and similar.
@@antoniousai1989 manufacturing also includes large-scale industry, and Italy surpasses France.
Pretty sure northern india has the most fertile soil. It feeds over 1 billion people
Also all of Switzerland, Belgium and the Netherlands.
Blue banana actually goes up through North West England and the Midlands via London. It doesn’t start in London. It includes Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham
Best knowledge❤️thanks for the constant uploads and being the amazing person that you are!
Thanks for keeping the contente so well made visually as informative. Vlw Gajo!
My family is from the south (Salento region) and they're often very stereotypically "Italian" in a lot of ways. I remember my old zio walking into the kitchen of a restaurant and yelling at the staff if the food wasn't good enough 😂😂😂 but when one of my cousins married a northener, he had a massive culture shock to deal with! He and his in-laws sometimes could barely understand each other because of the difference in dialects/swear words/ and so on.
(I myself am Dutch, by the way. I just happen to have Italian family because my dad's aunt married an Italian man. I visit them at least once a year, actually!)
As a matter of fact, I generally understand southern Italian languages/dialects a lot better than the northern equivalents, because I spent my summers in the south as a kid and picked up a lot of their unique linguistics. With northerners I could use subtitles because they sometimes pronounce things in a way that sounds weird af to me lmao
SALENTO REGION? AHAHHA SEI PUGLIESE AL MASSIMO
@@ekal1883 Salerno + Sorrento = Salento!
With a very patriotic Sicilian Francofontese Nonna and late Sanzese Nonno, let‘s just say the Italian stereotypes live along. One of my zio‘s follows this and the other doesn‘t. My mum is as far from Italian-looking, sounding and acting as you could ever think. My dad’s side of the family is Yugoslav Macedonian. This is about as Southern-Italian as you can get, Salermo and Syracuse.
Why do you have a Dutch name then?
Most of the information are right. Some small simplification but in 10 mins is natural.
Very good job.
A small thing.. Italy united in 1861. In 1848 we lost the first independence war..😮
That is correct! My mistake. Thank you :)
Also the previous time italy was united was after justinians gothic wars where he reintegrated it into the roman empire
I think you got mislead by the fact that in 1848 the “Statuto Albertino” got officially approved as a sort of a modern constitution.
Right after unification this constitution was applied to the rest of territories, so in some way in 1848 the “modern” Italian country started to exist, even if more different in terms of territories (southern italy was not included back then).
I have some old coins at home from 1948 mentioning “100th anniversary of Italy”
Congrats! Always learning with this channel.
Italy has so many regional languages its insane
the regional languages also have dialects, basically we have a language for every city
@@InsaneSquiddy indeed, this map doesnt specify that in the same "dialect region" there are completely different dialects, for example in the Neapolitan one there are the Bari's one, the Brindisi one, the Neapolitan one (+ its variants) that are completely different from each other
That almost nobody speaks anymore except few areas
@@toffonardi7037 bhe dipende , io sono Campano( provincia di Napoli) e a volte anche i prof parlano in dialetto😅
@@utente1489 e infatti si vedono i risultati )))
9:57 not regional dialects. Those are actual languages, that developed from Latin separately from italian.
5:28 nope, the main reason is that unlike other high developed and populated regions of Europe, pianura padana is surrounded on 3 sides by mountains so air pollutant get trapped inside, unlike flat open and more windy regions like north western germany or southern England
also there arent many parks unlike in other european cities, of you look at Rome's industrial zones you'll notice that there are lots of parks which reduce pollution
Yes, come diciamo sempre purtroppo viviamo in una conca e il ricambio d'aria è quasi a zero...
Time to get back on that Turchino project?
This has been said to have contributed to the higher death rates from COVID in that area, poorer average respiratory health due to pollution from industry.
Good information. Thanks for making a video.
Excellent video! Can't wait for the next !
A very well done video!!! Cheers to you from northern italy :)
As a turkish student, I had lived in Venice for more than 2.5 years and I didnt know that before I came there. I was so surprised when I saw the different local dialects etc but anyways I like italian people and still remember my fun days there :))
glad u had a good time here
fun how days how, nightlife, drugs and rock roll??
@@FernandoGarcia-nz9el no visiting historical places, swiming in Lido, eating delicious food and spending time with your friends.
I speak Italian and understand it all right, but i understand almost nothing of that Venice dialect. Was so funny when we came there i was ordering food in a restaurant in italian and they started asking me something i was like duuuuuhhhh was that italian. So funny.
@@harunkayacan258 How come you have so much money to travel to Europe when turkey has a failing economy baffles me. Europe allows muslim terrorist like you to go to Europe to destroy their country and convert people but hate us instead when we bring development 🤦🏽♀️
Great video with all relevant details
Nice video. Well done, very informative and interesting
Great video, but Italy unified in 1861, not 1848 as you keep saying! Even the timelapse you show for the unification is mostly about 1860-1861.
Also, i think alpine northern Italy might be considered a third group: it's much less populated, industrialised and polluted. Last time i checked the highest life expectancy was that of Trentino in the alps, it was the second highest in all of europe behind a spanish region if I remember well. Also, these regions tend to have thriving tourism thanks to the mountains and extremely good standards of living and, hdi gdp per capita, in part thanks to the autonomy granted to those regions (because there are many sizeable minorities there, like slovenes, ladins and french. German speakers are even the absolute majority in a province).
I grew up in the alps and now i live in a big flat city in the north and life is very different (although culturally it's still more familiar than the south).
@@YukonGhibli no, it's 1861, that's when the kingdom of Italy was proclaimed and in 2011 Italy celebrated 150 years of national unity. If you consider the unification "done" only when Italy had all of its current land then 1871 is just as wrong since it gained some provinces after ww1.
@@YukonGhibli che carino che sei. Ho una laurea in storia, bello, e ti assicuro che non ha alcun senso dire che nel 1871 l'Italia era unita e nel 1861 no.
Dal punto di vista dell'Italia "moderna" non ha senso parlarne fino a dopo il 1945. Nel 1871 era molto più simile a 10 anni prima che non ad oggigiorno sotto ogni punto di vista.
Dal punto di vista territoriale il 1871 non è uno spartiacque importante visto che non è stata né la prima né l'ultima acquisizione territoriale dopo l'unificazione ufficiale (e questo lo dico da trentino, che nel 1917 sarebbe stato ancora cittadino austriaco).
Cosa più importante l'Italia ha UFFICIALMENTE celebrato i 150 anni d'unità nel 2011, quindi se vuoi dire che non solo io, ma l'intera nazione, comprese tutte le autorità e gli studiosi, non capiscono quando sia stata unificata l'Italia forse devi riflettere un secondo prima di dire agli altri di studiare, somaro arrogante.
Guarda che ha ragione lui, pirla
ETRURIA was unified long ago BC
Also Rromak Empire was unified, and they had built wherever they concored. They were builders.
Their enemies were destroyers.
Destroying is easy, no knowledge needed.
Once the Empire collapsed every republic ruled themselves Until someone came up with a name Italy which means Latini, and the Country with the same people was named with a new name and united.
@@samuele7098 Provinces?
As italian (from Tuscany), I was curious to have a recap on Italy's differences saw from the outside. Good job, most of the infos are corrects and you looked very deep inside the reasons (staying in the 10min time). Congratulations !
Amazing content, thanks
Well done I found that quite interesting
As Italian I can say that the unification of Italy was in 1861, not in 1848.
Quella è solo la data della proclamazione del regno d'Italia (ma come si fa a parlare di unità d'Italia se manco Roma avevamo?) , in effetti la totale "unificazione" è stata raggiunta solo con la Prima Guerra Mondiale, ma l'Italia moderna con i confini che conosciamo esistono stabilmente dal 1954 (quando è stato raggiunto un accordo per disegnare i confini vicino a Trieste ed Istria con gli alleati e la Jugoslavia)
The seeds of unification were planted in 1848.
Its when it began, not completed in 1861
@@jonathanandrew2909 regardless. Italy in 1848 was very much not unified.
@@SaraGrenni what do you mean “regardless”?! 1848 was a pivotal year for the region.
The difference between regions in Italy is noticeable. Not only north v south but each region has a distinct character
Nope.
@@Gianluca- yes
Fantastic video, thanks!
90% of stereotypes about Italians concern southern Italy. We in the north are very different
Yes you are! ❤
You would say that, wouldn't you
correct!
Yes you are! Boring and grey!
Can you explain in what way are we different? I met a tons of southern Italians and they are very similar to Northern Italians both in looks and I the way of thinking
I lived in Rome for eight yeras, and traveled a lot through the country, as well as made friends from several places. It is indeed a country with strong diferences.
Rome is central north, not south, Rome is rich, high salaries, 33 million tourists
North and South Italy really isn’t different from how the North and South of the USA are different from each other. The divide is similar in a lot of ways.
The same exists in the uk 😊
@@thefirm4606 that one is sort of reverse, right?
@@rsj2877 yes, the north traditionally working class, industrial, resources, manufacturing; the south, finance, import/export, better education, better infrastructure, more sought after.
except you are wrong. northern and southern italy really started to diverge culturally since the indo europeans first came to the peninsula 3500 years ago. (they settled more heavily in the north hence why northern dialects are closer to continental celtic and there are generally more "blond - fair haired" individuals in the north event tho there arent that many, the phenotype differences can be found mostly in skin color and facial features, while southern italians are more mediterranean looking). the two regions have had 3500 years to diverge and develop into their own, you would be amazed by how much the south and north differed pre-unification ; you cant really compare it to north and south america who had about 300 years to develop their cultures and had way fewer cultural differences when the colonization of southern america started
@@thefirm4606 The Northern US is traditionally wealthier than the South but you also have the Rust Belt in the North/Midwest region where I’m from and economic and population growth has been stagnant here for decades. The South is actually the fastest growing region of the country too.
Interesting video. Italy has several problems, but do not succed in hating it.
🇮🇹Ti amo, Italia 💚🤍❤️
Here is something else most people don’t realize about Italy today.
Foreigners make up 8.7 percent of the Italy’s population, yet commit over half of all serious crimes. A whopping 89.7 percent of crimes involving exploitation of prostitution, 55.8 percent of cases involving sexual violence, 52.8 percent of robberies, 52.4 percent of thefts, and 43.6 percent of malicious injury cases.
Keep in mind, the data does not include crimes committed by second-generation Italians. In other words, Italians born to immigrant parents are not listed as “foreigners” and are instead seen as Italian citizens. If you add them, it’s over 80% of the seríous crimes in Italy. The data helps dispel the notion that immigrants coming in are all just peaceful people looking for a better life. The data shows that foreigners account for a massively disproportionate share of the overall crime rate.
“the worrying cultural climate in which certain phenomena occur is a sign of a total lack of any kind of values”. - Chief Inspector Omar Di Ronco
After a week of widespread chaos breakout n Italian lakeside towns near Lake Garda involving up to 2,000 migrants. The chaos included widespread violence, stabbings and assaults. The Italian public prosecutor’s office and the Italian Parliament have opened a number of investigations, including into cases where migrant men sexually assaulted teen girls, including 6 on a train from Lake Garda to Milan.
“They are just a culture of criminals who have left a deep wound in my community. We lived a week of war,” said the mayor of Italian lakeside town Peschiera
yes please, I would love some General Knowledge about the unification of Italy...
Great video and love your content! It is important to mention tho that Italy was unified in 1861, not 1848, but great video!
Or in 1870 - when Rome was annexed, or in 1919 - when the last parts of Italy were annexed.
Kingdom of Italy was proclaimed before the south joined, which sounds very silly with contemporary eyes, but the Savoy family was claiming the HRE "Kingdom of Italy" (that is: everything north of the Papal states), and not actual Italy.
Italians over 50 may remember the tv show Portobello and one guest proposing the distruction of part of the alps to help wind circulate and clear the Pianura Padana from fog and pollution.
🤣 an all-time Classic!
Someone suggested to nuke the mount Turchino,near Genua to create a marine air stream from Thyrrenian sea to the northern plains....many people phoned protesting...
grande lavoro. Great job
Most of us (italians) can understand which city a person comes from just hearing him/her speaking, based on his dialect or also from the "sound" of its italian.
E.g. from Udine, from Bologna, from Venice, from Treviso, from Milan, from Trieste, from Parma etc: we all speak ITALIAN but we have different rhythms and musicality in the pronunciation of the phrase
Hello, I really like the complete overview that you gave. Although I have to point out 2 big mistakes: the date of creation on Reign of Italy was 1861 and not 1848. The second one is about the language(s), there are other languages spoken in Italy other than Italian, those are regional languages and not dialects, despite the fact that most of Italians called them dialects, (this might be the reason why you also used that term) but they aren't dialects of Italian language but separate languages as shown in the correct map that you posted. Thanks
Re-Unification was in 1861.
It was unified the first time in 79 BC.
This said, if you are interested in those kind of north-south divisions Mexico has a rather similar situation in terms of wealth disparity.
Yes, cause we are romans. Oh yes. Same mindset, same lifestyle. Why don't we just call the French Gauls then, I can already see Macron with checkered trousers ad a big braided mustache
@@shroomma Well "Italia" existed since the time of Rome and it was several times kingdoms of Italy over time such as with the Ostrogoths, Holy Roman Empire or Napoleon. The current modern state was born in 1861
Bellissimo video 🇮🇹🤍
Great video!!
One other difference I noticed with my (northern) family was what I'd call the "butter line." The farther north, the likelier you are to find butter, rather than olive oil, used as the basis for cooking. My extended family, from Milan/Como used butter almost exclusively. My nuclear family used olive oil, but only because my (Ialian) Dad got his first job during the Depression at an olive company in Southern California. So he could get olive oil for free. He had to buy butter. So we used olive oil.
There is a very famous french movie called "la cuisine au beurre" dealing with that exact subject.
I'm from Milan with family origin all in the north and definitely use more olive oil than butter, maybe 70%. to 30%. Butter is also not great in Italy.
@@Valentina-qy1yx This, Torinese here and I almost always use oil. When i want butter for the taste, i use Irish or German butter. Italian butter tastes like a big ol' scoop of nothing.
anche il grasso di maiale in emilia romagna(strutto)
Olive oil just better
Most Italian-Americans are southern, including me! But barely, apparently our heritage is about as far north as you can go in southern Italy, modern Isernia/Molise, before you hit the other regions. So many other Italian-Americans are Sicilians (which some classify as different than Italians, almost their own ethnic group). Meanwhile 'my' part of Italy apparently was and is the equivalent of Italian West Virginia, very rural and lesser known.
That's partially true, Veneto and Friuli had a huge emigration between 19th and 20th century, but mainly because they were underdeveloped and rural until the 1950es. This is due to the Austro Hungarian domination hindering the industrial revolution there and fortifying those territories as the border of their empire
Damn
I have an Iranian family name because one of my ancestors found themselves in Sicily and eventually the family became northern Italian, but they kept the name
thats interesting
i always thought, as a grandchild of an Italian immigrant, that most came from mid-northern italy.
that’s cool!
every region in italy you can classify as '' different than italians ''
Molise? More like Molisn't
Was quite interesting.. Thanks..
Great video! Thx
Would love to see this kind of analysis of the UK, or more specifically England, I think that has a similarly big divide between the South East and rest of the country.
The difference between north and south of Italy is more like the UK than north and south England. A bunch of states put together by military force. We don’t even understand each other when speaking our local dialects.
@@federicolopezmusic I agree that the difference is bigger, Italy wasn't even unified as a single country that long ago, but you've obviously never been to Newcastle upon Tyne and heard someone speaking in their commercial dialect, of even parts of rural Yorkshire. Anyway my comment wasn't about whether one country had more difference then either, I enjoyed this video and wanted more of them. I'd be quite interested in one on Germany as well, even France which I know had many different languages and dialects, Spain too.
I was just studying history of England, in particular heptarchy, and it is very interesting. It could be interesting to know if the differences between south and north deriving from ancient kingdoms (as Mercia, Kent, Essex, Sussex, Wessex etc.) or not, and the same about language and accents. However England to me as non English person (I am Italian, northern Italy) seems to be pretty similar culturally, is that right? England has a long history and this has maken it more homogeneous than other countries but probably not so homogeneous as foreign people think. It s also interesting knowing about Scotland and Welsh, Ireland and Northern Ireland, which are the main differences? in comparison with English people? I think to understand differences and similarities you have to live or grew up in a country. Me, as northern italian from Milan, a big city where you can find people from various parts of Italy, I probably, as the bulk of people living in big northern italian cities, can understand better the difference. If you never live in Italy it is almost impossible to understand how deep the differences are, not just from north to south or center but also in the same region. For istance About local languages (many times italians called them dialects, but actually they are not) spoken in Italy almost all the northern Italy is gaulish-italian, the southern italy is italian-dalmatian. Italian northern languages are closer to French than to Italian. This is one main difference, but also gaulish italian languages like Lombard has also big difference, for example from east and west dialects. A person from Bergamo who speaks eastern lombard, it is a bit difficult to me understand him as a speaker of western lombard also if we speak the same language (lombard) and we live just 40 km from each other. The differences about language is also from little town to little town, but this is pretty normal in a natutal language. Anyway this was just to show how deep differences are and most of people, italian or foreign people do not know or not consider it.
@@jorge_channel1674 Great comment. Firstly when I made the comment it wasn't because I thought England was more diverse than Italy or possibly any other country in Europe or even anywhere else the world. I think you are right that in England (not the United Kingdom, but England) it is fairly unified in terms of feeling English, understanding people from all over the country, though as I said it you want to parts of the country, Newcastle, Yorkshire, Cumbria, Cornwall, even Birmingham you might find it hard understanding some of the dialects. It isn't like Italy because Italy until I think it was Garriboldi unified the country it was a number of separate kingdoms or city states due to historical events over the centuries.
I know that, and maybe you do from studying the heptarchy, that after the Anglo-Saxons had settled there were a number of Viking invasions that settled the large parts of the North and East of the country that eventually there was an agreement between Alfred the Great and the Danish warlord Guthrum for peaceful coexistence between the two communities. From this there are legacies in the placenames in parts of England, in Yorkshire places that end in thwaite are only found in places ruled by the Danes and from what I've heard certain words used in these areas and a part of their dialect is also due to influence from the Danish population that mixed into the rest of the Anglo Saxon population over the subsequent centuries, even after I think it was the king Edward the Elder reconquered most of England in the early 900s. It is this that greatly have me motivation to make the comment I made. I'm pretty sure the English language has loanwords from these Danes originating from this period in history.
There are still big differences in dialects across England, I think there are videos here on TH-cam showing the huge diversity. I'm not sure it's easy and I'm not qualified to say whether one country's language is more or less diverse than any other, but I've also seen videos that suggest that England and even the UK in general has a huge diversity in dialects in such a small area. It is on the whole interintelligable but I just remember a group of Newcastle United football fans, Geordies, on the tube in London spotting a child and making a comment calling them a bearn (in their dialect meaning a baby or young child), it made me smile because the Londoner had no clue what they were talking about!!! So I'm not sure it's as homogeneous as you think.
The peninsula has not just been unified under the Roman empire, it was also unified under the ostrogoths in the 500s and then by the byzantines soon after (though not for long)
Bel video, bravo!
Thank you so much my friend
Me (a napolitan): ah s**t, here we go again
I thought we were Naboli Daboli
😂😂😂❤
Yesss, do a video about the unification please
Great video 👍
The industry map you have shown is from the 1960, when Italy economy just exploited, and industries were all in piedmont and lombardy. Nowadays is a little bit different, but the north south divide is now as big if not bigger
Little corrections to be made:
-Italy was unified on 1861 not 1848 (this is the year the Risorgimento started)
-After the collapse of Western Roman Empire Italy remained united until the Lombards invasion in 684AD, therefore this should be the date to use for the begining of the split of North and South. Even if this wasn't a complete and omogeneous, i.e.: in the North there was the bizantine esarcate of Ravenna (from which originated the sub-region Romagna, from the latin Romānia) and in the South there was a lombard duchy, which later became Principalty of Benevento, called in the latin medieval sources "Langobardia Minor".
Other thing you forgot to mention is that the industrial infrastructure in the North was helped by the enlighted industrial policies of the Kingdom of Sardinia and the fact that there the use of the alpine water resources used to power the early factories with first water mills and later hydro-electric plants.
Other difference to mention is the frequency of earthquakes: the North is geologically more stable then the Centre and South. Just to make an example, in the last 20 years there was only one earthquake in the North (2012 Emilia-Romagna earthquake), while in the Central and Southern Italy there had been three.
Good point, the famous earthquake of Messina did a lot of damage in Calabria as well.
@@charlottejameson8924 I didn't mention that on purpose and I just talked about the ones occurred in the last 20 years.
Great video
Fabulous thank you ❤
Thank you for watching! :)
As for the "warmer and more hospital character" of the South: it is a prejudice, or rather, a very subjective interpretation. I mean, in the South people do tend to address people in a friendly way and to be more open, whereas in the North they need to know you a bit, but everything is relative. Many southeners, although sincerely trying to be friendly, may appear to be "intrusive" or even "excessively curious" to strangers or foreigners. I remember a young student of mine (I used to teach Italian to foreigners), a German au pair, who said that she did not like Naples because everyone was noise and they were always paying her unsolicited compliments on the street, whereas in Bologna people minded their business, therefore she eventually decided to move there.
So, she was attractive
Awesome video, it would be great if you could do a similar comparison for Germany, perhaps also France, very interesting stuff!
I did one about Germany already! Although it was pretty much only focused on the Cold War divide and how the territories of the old Democratic Republic is still different in many aspects.
@@General.Knowledge The North/South divide in Germany is also very noticable, nobody ever really talks about that though. Might be a good option!
@general knowledge you should do one on France. France is so vaste and different between its region (south west spanish influence, south east Italian influance, north east german / swiss / belgium influence, north west gaelic and british influence). Matter fact France is so vast that when French people do dna test there is no French recognised in DNA just other groups (germanic, english, irish, iberian etc.)
@@General.Knowledge Economically Eastern Germany is still very behind.
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And today it’s probably far more noticeable, especially in culture and language.
Great video, I really enjoyed it!
I think it should be streamed on the telly in Italy so that also italians could learn those things about their own country 🤭
Seriously though, you said it all, no objections there.. bravo 👏
Lovely video! Since you asked for critiques about what you may have gotten wrong, your pronunciation of initial Rs (Righi, Romagna, etc.) sounds Brazilianized (like English H). It should be trilled, like the way Spanish speakers do double R. Also, Lazio is LAT-si-o (the Italian Z conserves a "T" sound; it can be a whistled version of Latin T, which is why Lazio is directly from the same root as "Latin" 😉).
Besides that, I'm glad I finally have a better understanding of the factors that make the north so different from the south. I didn't think about the distance from other countries argument, though I knew about the plains in the north. Thanks for this explanations!
9:01 clarification: Sicily seems to be doing great woth trains but in reality it's so bad that if you live there or you own a car or you rely on bus (which also aren't great)
For comparision, catania (sicily 2nd biggest city) has around 1/2 trains per hour which is basically the same of many small cities in emilia romagna
Not just that: the palermo-catania train route takes about twice as long by train as it does by car
One more factor is the massive depopulation of southern Italy during the end of the 19th century. Over 4 million Italians, mostly from the south, emigrated to the United States at that time. Same with Ireland, which has only just now recovered from their mass migration over 200 years ago.
Definitively not.
it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emigrazione_italiana#/media/File:Emigrazione_italiano_per_regione_1876-1915.svg
Post WW2 to Australia and Canada
@@giorgiodifrancesco4590 Thank you, an interesting article.
@@charlottejameson8924 That emigration was generally from the South of the paeninsula. From the North they went mainly to France and Switzerland, at that time. Between northeners, only the emigrants from the Veneto region went to Germany.
Sourtherners went mainly to Belgium and Germany.
YES PLEASE make a video about the unification of italy 😍, it would be a very interesting thing that nothing is know about outside of Italy 🙏
Muito bom! Que tal um sobre Portugal? Há claramente diferenças entre a distribuição demográfica e o contexto geopolítico no norte e no sul (especialmente Alentejo). Parabéns pelo canal!
the kingdom of 2 sicily wasnt an agricoltural based, it was the most industrialized region of europe yet and also the richest, it became agricoltural after the wars and the garibaldini ( brits in reality) unified Italy
So very true.
You need either a popscreen on your VO microphone, or a highpass filter on the audio track to cut out those low plosives.
very nice thank you
The pollution certainly concentrates in the Po valley, but the microclimate here, with a low-lying depression surrounded by mountains, does lead to a slow movement of air.
Kind of like Las Angeles.
Would love to see a comparison between the North South divide in Italy vs the North South divide in the UK
It's way bigger in Italy.
The average Lombardian makes 40,000 $, while the average Calabrian makes 15,000 $.
I don't think there is a region in the UK(city excluded) where its people make 25.000$ more than the inhabitantants of any other region.
plz make a video about the italian unification, btw love your vids
sure i will downloud it
The unification started in 1848 but the first results arrived only in 1859 with the second indipendence war. With the third one (1866) Veneto was added. Rome was added only on 1870. Trento e Trieste in 1918. It has been a long process.
ironically the three main battles have been: Solferino (French victory over Austrian), Sadowa (Prussian victory against Austria) and Sedan (Prussian victory against French which allowed Italy to enter in Rome not anymore defended by French Army).
My favorite city I visited in Italy is Florence but I really loved south Italy maybe because of the touristy stuff to do/warm climate etc. Also as an African it was nice to see social and more outgoing people in the South compared to the North. But I was there for 2 weeks in each area so I can’t be really certain.
One thing I can add is that, during WW2, the US-ally coalition invaded Italy (who was ruled by Mussolini), from the southern coast, and slowly fought their way up north. America who was concerned of opportunist communists taking over towns that were left in political vacuum after US-allies had fought and made their way, further up north, made a deal with local Italian Mafia groups to take over these towns and keep out the communists. This may have worked at the time, but these Mafia groups managed to consolidate enough power in the town halls, and its municipalities, and so they gained permanent political power there. US-allies only made their way half way up Italy before winning, so this only affected southern Italy, and northern Italy was spared from this situation. After the ww2, northern Italy managed to flourish, where as southern Italy controlled & miss managed by Mafia (e.g corruption & demanding protection money etc), remained relatively poor.
Another thing is, Mussolini actually kicked out many of the Mafia out of Italy (who fled to America), but Americans put them back into Italy during ww2, for the reasons mentioned above. An American Italian mafia boss was allowed to make a deal with US government, and after ww2, he was freed out of US jail for cooperating with the US government & facilitating the contact between US government and Italian Mafias. He was allowed to retire back in Italy after the war. His name was Charles 'Lucky' Luciano, from the Genovese crime family.
Exactly. This is well told in the book written on the subject by an English university historian. Furthermore, it must be underlined that, if the mafia still had bases in Sicily, the Neapolitan Camorra was completely recreated on new bases by the Sicilian mafioso Luciano, choosing common criminals for himself
Logically, in the economic disaster caused by the war, the new Camorra was also able to flourish.
I too have been to various parts of Italy and have noticed these differences.
thanks again
Lived in Napoli as a young kid (6-7), wasn't great but looking bad, I feel like I got truly immersed in Italia. I won't forget our weekly pilgrimage to the local Pizza shop, or the many historical locations (I was obsessed with Pompeii haha). Forutunately I moved to somewhere with a much better quality of life (Australia) but my Aussie mum brought Italian cuisine back with us. Props on her for becoming fluent in Napolian Italian and adopting the culinary dishes and skills within 2 years!
Much better quality of life in Australia? Lol😂
@@dannyesse3043 Australia is in the top 10 in terms of GDP per capita. Italy is barely in the top 30. Denying the fact that people have more opportunities to make a good living in Australia is just willful ignorance.
It depends on how you want to live. Most Italians would not go to live in your country even if very well paid.
@@giorgiodifrancesco4590 alot of southern italians, and southern europe would have Family in Australia. And with Australia having far better education, HDI, Wages, Political climate etc than (southern) Italy. your statement would be incorrect
@@peepeetrain8755 You must say "when" they go there. And Naples is not Italy: is a singular reality of Italy. Just as it makes no sense to say that southern Italy is all the same. I wish you to go for a nice tour, leaving the clichés at home. We too have concerns about the fact that Australians are all descendants of English criminals, deportees and that kangaroos roam free on the streets, wearing boxing gloves.
another difference: in Sports being Football the most popular in Italy, of 119 years of the italian league (Serie A); 111 times league was won by northern team and only 8 times by a southern team
Just because in the North there are Milan, Juventus and Inter and in the south there's only Napoli
@@Sara-fd3dd Bologna-Torino-Genoa-Vercelli won it 30 times combined!!!
@@franco1188 And still in the south there's only Napoli!
What do you mean? It's only 3 times. Naples twice and Cagliari once, if you consider Sardinia part of the south. Can't remember another team from the south that won.
@@Sara-fd3dd Cagliari too, but again, it depends if you consider Sardinia south or not.
To explain the concentration of pollution see also a wind map. During the Cernobyl incident the Padan Planure got some radiation too bringed by the winds. It's the Concave form it has and the fact it's closed on north, west and south by mountains that don't let polluted air escape.
I'm italian and I can confirm all context of your video. Great job!
I can't concentrate on the video because of the world's coolest anthem playing in the background
Spain had also Milan for your information, more time than France. France only had it for 20 years, meanwhile Spain had it for 170 years.
Yeah but french influence really stuck in northern italy, in fact Manzoni's Betrothed was purged of many francesims. While in the south spanish influence was stronger. Neapolitan kept "Teng' " for have and many noble people were mixed with spaniards (Armando Diaz is a neapolitan WW1 general of spanish ancestry)
@@felicepompa938 thanks , very interesting
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And the south had normans and the Anjou for a while... the problem with these videos is that they're simplified.
General I am so sorry if I am late I was shopping and my phone is repaired tomorrow. I'm sorry if I missed your notification I'll try next week
Regarding the dinner time you have to consider how the weather (especially temperatures) impacts culture. In the south not only the sun set a bit later in winter, but if you consider the impact of 40° or more in a pre-AC mostly outside labour based society the siesta suddenly makes sense...
In the south shops (used to) close at lunch and reopen around 16 30 to close again around 20 00, in small town and villages it still happens, to the bafflement of tourists
But seriously, going around under the summer in summer can be dangerous, possibly deadly, so the work and the life is postponed by a few hours
In college I had two Italian professors; One was from Milan, the other one from Sicily. The first one considered the north of the country the true Italy, the middle he compared to the Balkans and the south might as well be Somalia. The second professor said that the north of Italy might as well be part of Switzerland as far as he was concerned.
Your professor is right, I mean culturally northern Italy is much more similar to Switzerland and other mittle european nations, than southern Italy.
Just have to say the Milanese Prof. sure didn't know anything really about Sicily, and that's not so atypical.
Hm
The dialects are lenguage too , many are older that Italian too , they are brother all derivatives from Latin , many "dialect" are too different to understand what they are saying
Unification of Italy happened in 1861 when the kingdom of Italy was proclaimed. There was an attempt of unification in 1848 which failed, but also Rome only became part and capital of Italy in 1871
Italy was unified in 1861 when Victor Emmanuel II declared himself king of Italy. Garibaldi invaded Sicily (Kingdom of the Two Sicilies) in 1860. Your video places both of these in 1848. 1848 was the first war of Italian Unification. The process took another 20 years or so to complete. The final piece of the puzzle, Rome, was not annexed until 1870.
Additionally, most linguistic scholars consider Italian Dialects to full fledged languages. When Florentine was chosen as “standard” Italian by the newly unified Italian state, all other regional languages were classified as dialects for political expediency.
However, overall, a very informative and educational video. BRAVO!
Pollution in the North is also Higher because of Topography. Air often gets trapped (Inversion) in the Winter Months in the Po Valley and pollution accumulates.
You should tear down a part of the Alps so the air can flow
I would also add to the “why do companies prefer the north” the perceived (I’m not qualified enough to say if this is true) relative efficiency of bureaucracy and the lower perceived crime rate. Northern Italian companies themselves often avoid expanding to the south despite the possible economic gain (lower salaries for the same jobs).
Also a big problem is that university in the north tent to be considered better and, statistically, ensures an higher salary, leading the south to lose a lot of talents.
here in the North the territory is fertile and flat, it is easier to build roads and railways. the south is mountainous and far from the Blue Banana.
Please do video on unification ! (Il risorgimento)
What program do you use to edit the videos?
PowerPoint?
One other reason of the differences is that the First measures of the just unified Italy were only concentrated in developing the North. One example is the government of Giolitti between the ninteen and twenty century
pls do the spanish north-south divide
I think that the difference between south and north regions one in chart about the "remotability" of jobs is likely far more due to the prevalence of tourism than it its to agricolture.
As you said, tourism in general is much more prevalent in the south than it is in the north and chefs, hotel receptionists and museum guides can't really work from home.
The "dialects" of Italy had existed for centuries before Italian was created as the literature and cultural language of Italy from the 1300s on, and even then Italian was used mainly in its written form by italian scholars. These dialects kept evolving separately and they were also used as literary and cultural languages.
When Italy was unified, it was obvious that if a cultural identity was not created asap then Italy would fall apart torn by the different cultural identities, especialy because after a political debate between the politicians of the time, it was decided that Italy should have been a unitary country instead of a federation (which is the way that Germany dealt with the cultural differences of its regions after the unification, I suggest you look up the different ways politicians thought Italy should have been as a country, some of them are very interesting).
In order to create this cultural identity it was necessary to use the term "dialects" for the languages of Italy in order to classify them as inferior to Italian, even though the northern languages and southern languages belong to two different language groups, and even then southerners from different areas can't uderstand eachother's dialect and the same goes for notherners, mutual intelligibility is very low, so most linguists think that they should not be categorised as dialects.
Only some of the languages spoken in Italy are recognised today as offial minority languages, I guess because they are more obviously different from Italian and because of political pressure, some of these are for example Sardinian, Ladino and Friulan.
Italian is a language experiment that was created in order to introduce a common language for the cultural elite of the italian peninsula that ended up being the language of a country. Is like if all the spanish, french, italian, romanian and portuguese speaking countries began using Interlingua as their cultural language and then decided to form a union with interlingua as its official common language.
The irony of it is that's exactly what Spanish and French are to those respective countries. An enforced linqua franca. You go to other parts of Spain and they have their own dialects.
@@matro8147 yes, it's such a shame especially in France, how languages are getting lost even more than in Italy. I'm talking about Iccitance for example, which would have been a major Romance language in other circumstances.
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Deleted the other cultures.
It is truly incredible how similar Spain and Italy are in terms of north and south differences: industry/agriculture, unemployment, religiosity/atheism, climate, distribution of immigrants, etc.
Ye, being lazy runs in the south.
i know other like after the end of WW2 Italy did a referendum(1946) where italians needs to decide if still a monarchy or became a rebupplic, here we can see the south votes for monarchy and north repubblic, this mainly because the war has got different level of distraction(we can also see Trieste didn't vote becouse its short indipendent city state and the autonomy of Bolzen).
between 1943 and 1945 Italy was divided in two. The north had already been a republic since 1943, and in the referendum it voted in favor of the republic. The south had remained a monarchy and voted in favor of the monarchy, with high peaks especially in the two temporary capitals, Brindisi and Salerno.
Canada would be interesting anglo vs french or is other factor more important north-south east-west
Peru should have an interesting coast-highland-jungle variation
there should be something in the regions of Spain or the UK
We usually divide Italy in three, North, Center, South & islands. It also makes easier to understand differences. :)
This is very much like Vietnam, where you could say the north, central and southern regions are culturally distinct.
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Germanic *not* Germans.
The Langobards where probably from Sweden actually.
(One of their tribes where the dog tribe, or something to that effect, and they where in a feud with the wolf tribe that ruled the kingdom of the eastern Geates)
yes from sweden but in roman times in 1st century AD according to Tacitus De Germania they lived in lower Elba (Saxony) and later migrated thorugh Bohemia to Pannonia (Hungary)
Proto-Germanic.
@@commenter4190 Perhaps, but they *still* wheren't "Germans".
Germans is the *modern* people of Germany and *arguably* (and thi6may be stretching it a little bit) the people's that they decend from that also lived there.
There's many tribes that at some point or other lived in Germany that didn't stay to contribute much to *todays* German population.
It was a period of a great deal of migration.
Calling them Germans is like Russians calling the Ukrainians for Russians despite their ancestors *always* having been in different tribes.
Or for that matter calling Dutch or Frisians for Germans.
"German" is way too specific a term.
Germanic is a catch all term that applies to all of us and all of the tribes of that time period.
@@MarcoMenozziPro Depends on the time period we're describing.
Eventually east, west and north germanic becomes more appropriate terms.
Or just the catch all term, "germanic".
Also, by the time they arrived in Italy they weren't alone.
Turkic, Iranian, Celtic and Illyrian peoples as well as several other germanic peoples had all joined them in invading the Roman empire and the Italian peninsula.
@@Luredreier The Lombards left Scania 18 centuries ago. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Germanic_language