The TRUTH about New Mac Mini after 1 Month - M2 vs M2 Pro!
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I regularly, edit music in Logic Pro, video in Final Cut, photos in Lightroom,…… I settled on the M2 Pro Mini with a bump up to 1 TB of storage just to have a little breathing room. No other upgrades. This machine has sailed through everything I’ve thrown at it so far.
I am thinking the same since I gonna do a lot of track for background sings myself, I guess m2 pro 16gb with 512 is even enough for me
@@stephaniehansen1071 Went back the the Apple store today and played with a 14" Macbook Pro configured with a the same specs as the MP2 Pro Mini with 16GB of memory with the 10-core CPU and 16-Core GPU SOC. Exporting in FCP one of their loaded videos I copied to be 15-mins long and exported it as a 4k Apple Devices video. I had about every app on the machine launched. That's the most I stress my current Mac. I watched the memory pressure in Activity Monitor and never saw it get out of the green zone. For my needs I've concluded 32GB of RAM would be a waste of money.
I did something similar: I got the M2 Pro 10 core with 16GB and a 1TB drive. It's a killer dev box especially if you are doing cross-platform development with Microsoft MAUI.
@@rmurphy440m I was wondering what your typical RAM memory usage is? I'm having trouble here deciding if 16GB is really enough these days, especially for tasks like development where there might be a need to run VMs or have lots of browser tabs open. What's your experience with it?
Would a external ssd work or do you need to use system storage for some reason? Trying to switch from windows to Mac, just for video editing and Final Cut Pro
Such a thorough comparison. Really helped me to decide on the right spec. and I feel much better about upgrading to the higher memory knowing it has multiple benefits. Thank you!
As a developer, I bought the M2 with 16GB RAM and 256GB SSD. I recommend this to those that requires active multitasking. In a future, if I need more storage, I'll buy an external SSD (which btw has better read/write speed) and problem solved.
Is 16GB really enough for you these days?
@@svyat3181 Yes, at least with my current workflow: two Jetbrains Rider medium React TS projects running, VPN, Discord and Slack in the background, like 15 chrome tabs open... still flying!
@@svyat3181 on MAC definitely.
Thanks for the insight I was wondering, and scared to upgrade. Currently im running on an upgraded iMac 2015 32gb RAM + 512 SSD.. and I do all the above, with plus TWO iPhone, iPad simulator are open + Canva + Figma.
My workflow is really complicated since I do everything at the same time.
Backend running with its Chrome tabs, ReactJS running with its own Chrome tabs, and frontend Metro Running with its own tabs.. Slack and all.
And I am surprised how this is all running almost as smooth as I want it to be.
But with this hardcore workflow, I am always scared my Mac will crash and I might lose my work.. so Thats why I thought its time to upgrade. Also I want the iPhone 14 simulator as its not compatible with my Mac's xCode.
It seems like that’s what I’ll be doing as well. External SSD with much faster write/read speeds. I’m not sure if I should get the 8 or 16 ram, although it’s better to be safe than sorry imo
After watching your video, I purchased the m2,16gb, 256ssd, with the Satechi USB C Hub. I already had a 32” Acer Monitor and a 4TB Ext hard drive. I couldn’t be more pleased. Finally upgraded from a 2012 iMac that had 8gb ram. The M2 does the basic stuff I need it to do and does it very fast.
Your comparison videos are brilliant. I'm sure they save viewers a lot of money by helping them make the best choices for their situations. Very useful information for real-life practical stuff.
Our Mac desktop lasted for years but the problem wasn't the specs lasting it was the apple no longer supported updates for the older model even though it could handle it.
I got the M2 Pro Mac Mini and it’s been performing great, love this machine! 🎉
I ended up buying that sweet-spot M2 Mac Pro mini and I'm satisfied. 512gb is not a lot or storage but it's easy to add external. I also don't have FOMO with the Pro chip, which I kept feeling every time I looked at the base model.
Is the current satechi mac mini hub good for these current m2/m2 pro Mac mini ? Should I wait for satechi’s future upgrad Mac mini hub if they plan to have one ?
Got the Mac Mini base M2 pro . I love it. Super smooth with 3 displays set up. If you need 3 displays set up , it’s best bang for the buck, plus it runs super silent.
how much RAm have you ordered? Let me ask do you use ASD?
The review i waited for!! Now i can really decide what to buy
Thank you guys!
I wish you guys would have done a 799.00 mini with either the RAM upgrade or storage upgrade. Some of the tests are unclear if the improvement over the base model is due to the increased RAM or the increased storage (speed) such as exporting files from lightroom. Is it RAM or faster storage that makes that most difference. I woulnd up choosing storage over RAM mainly due to the price that Microcenter had on the 512GB model. If it has to use virtual memory, at least it will be faster virtual memory. I watched videos by other TH-camrs that showed 8GB didn't slow them down even with Chrom Tabs open, etc. I need storage, so I got that version plus 2TB of external SSD storage using a MacMIni hub with integrated M.2 slot.
i had similar questions and i was leaning towards getting 16gb RAM instead of 512gb storage until i saw this video saying the file export took like 5 minutes longer with the 256gb ssd lol. any update on your decision?
@@MELOWARMACHINE I went with storage over RAM. It's a difficult decision but MicroCenter had the 512GB model on sale for 699.99. I went for it. Extra RAM would be nice. CleanMyMacX tells me I'm running out but I don't see it. I added a 1TB external drive as well....
I have a choice either 16 / 1tb or 32/ 512 i used simulator and zcode a lot
Great advice yet again and really clearly explained.
Hey is the top M2 Pro 12 core you reviewed 16 or 32gb RAM? At the start your specs say 16 but the later tests you are showing it's 32, please clarify. Which top M2 was used for the logic audio tests?
This was a great breakdown, thank you
Awesome. Very well done. Thanks!
between refurbished base m1 mac mini and base m2 mac mini, what would you recommend?
Great video! Watched it a couple of times already!!!
Thanks a lot for this video!
Thanks Max. Good comparison and in time as my iMac bought the farm. Quick suggestion: use another colour for the specs; the red is too muted and doesn’t come thru properly.
Thank you for this! appreciate all the work you did to help provide this information! Stay blessed 🤍🙏🏼🪽
Thanks for the comparison!
Please what do you use as thermal camera and what iPhone do you use it with? Seek thermal does not seem to work on our iPhone 14 Pro. The app states: We cannot find a device.
Well Done, thanks a lot!
I use photoshop, lightroom and Capture one. Is better Mac Mini M2 Pro with 32gb ram or Mac Studio M1? Thanks
Great video. Thanks!
Thanks man, the Logic Pro test tells me what I really need to know, the sweet spot is the 16gb M2 Pro model, better by a long shot than the normal M2. I will have to save a liitle more to take that jump but I think it'll be worth it.
I see so many 8gb/256GB M1 Minis on sale, I think too many fell for the initial M1 hype and got into an underpowered machine for content production and had to step up for a more powerful model when they realized it didn't cut it.
They ended with lack of RAM.
I just bought the base mac mini M2, 8/256. And while I understand that it’s not the best, it should be enough for an average user. It may be outdated and not future proof, but for the price 8/256 is what the M1 entry level laptops were running. I think it’s fine for the price and what I’m expecting from it (hopefully). I’m totally fine with needing to update on a few years.
I’m on the fence buying M2 8gb/256gb base spec…everyone scares me off into buying higher specced models, but I’m just looking to learn SwiftUI and not on a big budget…most likely will go for it haha
@@AutomotiveConcepts Yeah, honestly I think you should go for it. I've had zero issues with my Mac Mini, it's running fantastic and the M2 chip is very fast. I ended up getting mine for an insanely good deal (around $430) and it does everything I need it too. Granted I don't know how SwiftUI will work on it, but the base Mac Mini with M2 is the same speed/storage as an entry level Macbook Air, so don't let others scare you away from it. Upgrade Ram if you can afford it and use external drives to save space, but you really don't need to. For the price I paid, I'll be happy if I get more than 3 years out of it, and if it ever slows down, I'll get get a new entry level machine. No need to break the bank if you already have a monitor/keyboard/mouse set up and don't need the portability of a laptop.
@@matthewscott3689 I've bit the bullet and just ordered the base model, but with a 512GB SSD, because apparently, from what I've read/saw online, the 512 unit is different and has faster I/O than the 256. We'll see when it arrives on Wednesday :)
@@AutomotiveConcepts Nice! That’s a smart upgrade too! 😄
You’re (Apple) only creating waste with these base models.
Nice work - helped me make a decision
Mac mini needs a battery pack option especially with these efficient chips
1:31 THIS made me cancel my MacMini order right away and start a new one with 512GB storage!! Granted, the 256GB is still faster than the Samsung 870 EVO that I put in the old 2014 intel MacMini - the NVME storage I put in was 512GB. But holy cow. What a difference.
I would like to see an M2/M1 Macbook base spec lineup through the same benchmark as in this video (Air,Pro13-14-16). I think others may appreciate this as well, as choosing a new Mac is not straight forward these days. Thank you.
Check artisright channel for this type of tests.
Interesting finds Max.
I'll watch you Mac Studio vs Mac mini pro video.
It came recommended. 😉
Just got the base M2 Pro but upgraded to 1TB for space and, of course, speed. So far it's exactly what I need.
That is a really good choice and what I have gone for. The ssd should be twice as fast as the 512Gb although that is already fast some people say.
smart to get some external ssd too for the long term
@@Zoruachi I also got a 4TB Crucial SATA drive I stuck in a spare USB-C enclosure for my entire Music, Video, and Photo libraries.
Is 16GB enough for your use case? I'm having a real trouble deciding if 16GB is enough these days, especially for tasks like development. What's your experience with it?
Enjoyed your video. 👍just curious who is helping you film this video?
What I was waiting for before I buy. Thx!
Hi Max - what model would you say would be best for running virtual desktops? While i am sure the base model is fine, wondering if more GPU is better for smoothnesses. Thanks for the video! 👍🏻
I have the same question. I do know that Parallels 18 runs very well with Windows 11 on my M2 MacBook Air with 8GB and the 512GB SSD upgrade from 256GB. I keep other apps closed when running it to avoid too much swap use. I probably should of upgraded to 16GB but that started to put the price into the 14” Pro territory, so I did 512GB since I needed more storage and I didn’t want to use and external SSD with a laptop. I was thinking of getting a M2 Mini with 512GB / 16GB but wasn’t sure if the M2 Pro Mini would be a better idea for $300 more, given it adds 2 more thunderbolt ports and 2 more CPU cores and 6 more GPU cores. I’m thinking that would provide a bit of a boost over the base model. Another option is to get the M2 Mini base model and only upgrade to 16GB RAM and use external SSD storage, since this is a desktop unit. You’d still spend $200 for external storage, but you could add 2TB for the price of Apple’s 512GB upgrade. Decisions, decisions… :)
Question? Can a Mac Mini boot and operate from an external hub with an NVME sdd drive?
This is the video of TRUTH no exaggeration and blowing things out of proportion. I know you have to do what you need to for views and this video might not get the views the SSd “scandal” gets but it’s facts and reality. Love that you did this this would be beneficial on the MacBook airs if they come out with a variety of chips on the 15inch to be released.
Would a Gen4 NVME External drive make any difference than a Gen3 with the thunderbolt ports on the M2 MacMini?
I know this is kinda unrelated. I have a new Mac Book Pro. What would you recommend, as far as storage, for my pictures and videos. Transfer all of them off computer and iPhone. Sorry for asking. Thank you
At the beginning of your video, the high end Mac Mini is listed as the $1800 model with 16GB of RAM. In most of your graphs, you label the high end m2 pro Mac mini as having 32GB of RAM, This model costs $2200. The extra RAM could account for its better performance in some of your tests. Are the graphs labeled accurately?
I noticed the same since I am trying to figure out which add-ons will be most cost effective for the M2 Pro while still staying under $2k
Don't believe what these youtubers say. Don't pay premium for HD. Just buy external TB encosures and SSD HDs and you'll be good to go. And 16GB isn't enough. Get 32GB.
Hello MaxTech, I saw a wireless charging power bank ad from one of you videos but couldn’t remember which one. Please tell me name of brand or product link to B&H
Great video!
What triple monitor setup are you using?
I LOVE your monitor setup. Can you tell. me what monitors you are using?
Hi can you share your monitor setup. Looks pretty near , what kind of stands are being used ? Appreciate your response
I spoke with a rep at the Apple Store in Riverfront Park and he seemed confused about what I was asking. Basically, I have a 2019 MacBook Pro 16" that I use for music production. 16GB ram, 1TB ssd. Would a Mac Mini with 16GB unified ram make a significant difference? I am not having any issues at the moment, just being a bit proactive for upgrading. (PreSonus is the daw I use most, but also Pro Tools)
Is there any difference regarding fan noise between these ? Which is the quietest?
Thanks awesome video and I agree fully that the moment the mini becomes too expensive then you start to think maybe Studio or Laptops instead.
What is the "multiple screen set up" that you are using in this video? Thanks.
GeekBench 6 for my M1 16GB/512GB Manc Minin Config: SC 2359/MC 8313 - Yeah - I'm happy with what I got - No need to upgrade !!!
Your video reinforces what I bought: M2 Mac Mini w/24G RAM and 512GB SSD. While watching your video, I opened Activity Monitor and noticed 17.9GB RAM being used and 0GB swap being used. With 512GB of SSD, I get the same performance that you showed, and I've never seen any swap being used. I speculate that folks who purchase the M2 Mac Mini w/8GB RAM & 256GB SSD will see even poorer performance when swapping due to lesser SSD performance. Maybe you could do a future video on performance when you experience sapping due to insufficient RAM and 256GB SSD versus 512GB SSD configurations.
That's an interesting spec upgrade route 24GB ram wise. I wonder in some extreme memory multitasking scenarios you would use a tiny bit of swap even so. Even the Mac Pro Cheese grater with hundreds of Gb of ram used some swap. It seems the apple system nearly always uses some swap file. I went for the M2 pro Mac mini route with 16gb ram and 1TB ssd. Will let you know how it goes when I get it.
Which portable extra screens are you using with your MBP in the video?
will my Apple M2 mini mac work with fiber optics connection? Thanks
Thank you Max. You have just saved me a lot of money.
great video. can you post a link of your triple monitor please? looks amazing
Yasss finally a video tailored to me✨🤩 I’m currently a designer so I use almost everything in Adobe & I want to get into blender 💯
Hi what spec would you recommend for cad design like fusion 360 and sketchup?
what type of extender monitors are you using? Is this for your MBP?
I wish the 24GB M2 was in this test line up against the 16GB M2 Pro
I really wanted to see Parallels compared between the 32gb 10c and 12c. The reason is Parallels uses performance cores and the unbinned 12c has 8. Sure, the Mac Studio M1 Max has 8 performance cores and 2 efficiency cores, but also comes with a very loud blower fan. I am between 32/1tb/10c and 32/1tb/12c for Mini M2 Pro unless running Parallels for a long time triggers the Mini M2 Pro fan which brings me to the Mac Studio anyway.
Mac mini with M2 Pro is quieter than Mac Studio.
Finally the test I was looking for 🎉
"You don't want it to slow down when you are multi-tasking"... once in a while i come across people who are concern that they their resources are at 70%-90% usage... thinking they bought the wrong specs... while in fact, high usage percent is a good thing, it means you haven't paid for what you dont use.
I got 134 tracks with the M2 Pro base model instead of 159 in Logic Pro. Can you post a screen of the settings in Logic please? There shouldn´t be such a difference.
Hi Great video, what sort of difference is there between 16 core and 19 core GPU for some video editing with premier pro
If my work flow is multiple excel sheet, email, website with around 10 tabs. Basic photo editing and games.
Should I get M2 or m2 pro
Which ram should I get both cpu to prevent spinning wheel as I get spinning wheel on multiple excel when I use m1 with 16gb ram
But I had budget which unable to get 32gb
where do you get these prices at? cheapest one in the uk is 647gpb which is around 800usd
Would like to see a 1TB and 2TB comparison. Is that one chip compared to two?
Great video. Hope u can do one like this for m2 max 14. Thanks
I enjoyed your video, with real world examples. I have seen many other videos, and your video is the first one I feel confident of my decision. 😊
I am not watching any more videos on which Mac mini to choose🎉🥂
What model you end up getting?
Amazing explanation Sir, in detailed everything clear related to Mac Mini M2
What are the voltage and current tolerances for the logic board of the Mac Mini M2 Pro?
Very interesting. Thank you for comparing. Well, I think I‘ve chosen the right model, the full model with 1 TB SSD, 32 GB RAM and 19c. I use it mainly for Logic Pro, with often lots of plugins!
Did you buy the mini or the pro?
@@Th3Dave The MacMini M2 Pro
Hello! Is the mac mini pro 16gb 512 considered a base version?
Hi, I am not a video editor but I appreciate good picture quality as it allows me to work long periods without getting tired. So it is the difference in graphics between the MacMini M2 and the M2 Pro worth it? Will I see a real improvement in picture quality, even with an average monitor? Thx
What's your monitor setup? Looks great!
Thank for the comparison. One thing I noticed is that unlike older generation of macs, with these M series macs doubling how much you spend will get you less than double the performance, so the base model might actually have the best bang for buck ratio.
I do not think it is new thing: the more you spend, the more marginal is the performance gain. Even on Intel, it was very common to get 10% better performance while spending 50% more. And in a few cases, the upgrade was even be worse. The old 2018 MacBook pro Intel Core i9 on some longer workflow were slower than the core i7 due to severe thermal limitation. I would agree however that with Apple silicon, the base model these days are already quite fast, making the upgrade unnecessary for many users.
@@jeanjasinczuk7543 I need it for office and browsing, email, etc. Would 8GB /256 + Portable SSD be enough?
There is a sweet spot as they say around the base M2 pro because of the extra ports and ram but the 512gb ssd I think could be faster so went for the 1Tb
Yeah, I don’t think it’s a new thing. Even with the Intel Macs, I would buy upper midrange instead of top of the line, because the extra expense did not buy proportionally more performance, so that 5 years later buying the top model would not have made much difference in future-proofing. This got much worse with the last Intel Mac laptops because as MaxTech often showed, the theoretical additional performance would be cut back as soon as thermal throttling kicked in, so under extended load the extra money didn’t make it much faster than the next model down.
That's the same even with PC building, check out how f*cked Nvidia prices are. People are paying for a few frames more. Nothing wrong with that, what I'm saying is that enthusiasts will always pay more.
I use MS Office, chrome, and safari and iWork suite. in this case 16GB, 512 GB model is okay for me? Also on the apple websites there are 3 models shown. First, Base model 8gb, 256gb (where one can add ram and sdd capacity), second, 8 gb, 512 gb and third is with 10 core cpu and 16 core gpu. So, my question is what is the difference between first and second model? Because, if want to upgrade to 16gb and 512gb, I have to select both the variables in first model and in second model, I only have to choose ram. so why apple has given 3 models, when 2 had been enough.
Hello; I hope you are well, man
What is your suggestion for buying Mac Mini?
I am a graphic designer, and part of my work is 3D space, but not too heavy
Chip M2Pro or M1Pro?
Basic model or...
Thank you if you help me
The bottom line is that if you are approaching the price of the Max Studio then get the Mac Studio and not the mini. Great video as there is something for everyone here.
So around similar price, Mac Studio is still better bang for buck?
I've heard the M1 Max in the Mac Studio is not as high performing in single core nor multi core performance than the M2 Pro in the Mac Mini
My question is, can you use 4k 144hz with a thunderbolt cable too ?
I would like to see a test for Handbrake encoding 1080p, 4K etc... (software/hardware) between all these machines and Apple Studio (Max/Ultra)
mac mini m2 pro 16 gb 1 tb
mac mini m2 24 gb 1 tb
which is better for final cut pro editing please suggest me asap.
Seems previously this channel supported upgrading SSD to at least 512 before RAM. Seems t have changed. Should We first upgrade RAM instead of the SSD on the M2 Mini. - 16GB & 256GB I the new minimum reach? Thank you
I have to say your comparison videos was totally awesome. Unlike some others out there that do not fully cover the topic of their videos.. I decided to go with the M2 Pro 16 gig with the 512 SSD because I already have two separate one terabyte SSD external. By the way, I wanted to just put something out there for all the consumers to be aware of.. rumor has it that Apple has been using leftover inventory parts towards the new M3 units so beware of what you’re buying and do the research and ask yourself is it really worth it to spend all that money and give all that money to Apple for older inventory parts?. remember, it’s just a rumor that I read and thought that I just passed it on.
By the way, excellent video again . Great job kudos to you.
is there any way to merge 2 of the base mac minis? or is that only in servers
Novice to Apple... just upgraded to a M2 base model laptop computer. TH-cam videos with Gary at MacMost is a awesome helper.
My M2 works Great for my applications. Fans spun up once W/extremely low amount of noise, I have never heard them again. Boots up fast and is ready with no delay. The experience has been positive. I was very concerned about spending ..$$$...so much but I'm past Buyers Remorse and feel good about the purchase. My last Windows computer lasted 10 years and I expect the same on my M2....maybe upgrade to a M12 then. Has 500G SSDrive with External Hard drive connected 3TB, 2.88TB free performing Time Machine only. This thing really works well.........upside.....use a dongle for docking.
Hi, I have around £2k budget and need a new desktop mac to create movie posters and album artwork. Running Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign simultaneously and working with files that could range up to 6GB. Can someone please advise if I should go for the M2 Pro Mini (What GPU/CPU/Ram) or Studio? I have external Storage. Many thanks in advance. ❤
For M2 Mac Mini -
16 GB RAM & 256 GB SSD? Or
8 GB RAM & 512 GB SSD?
Thanks!
In the beginning of the test the 12core 19gpu MM Pro has 1Tb HD and 16Gb unified memory, but later in the test the graph says 32Gb unified memory?
Can you compare with "Minisforum UM773 Lite" + 64GB RAM + Samsung 990 Pro SSD?
Well I am thinking if the base model is already good enough for people like me usually working with external drive.
Just to know if there is big difference when processing stuff on the external drive.
The additional $200 for upgrading the storage to 512gb can now afford a separate 4TB SSD drive with an USB-C enclosure….
The 256GB is slower than the 512GB as seen in MacBook Air and Pro M2. Macs use storage as swap memory. If you don't mind your Mac being a bit slower, then go for 256GB
You may want to upgrade RAM to 16GB and use an external SSD. That will help to avoid swap and minimize the effect of the slower 256GB SSD.
@@guycortesi I agree
Still trying to find a good USB-C enclosure as most are slow or seem to cause issues with the WiFi when connected. So far Orico is a no go
This comparison made me realize how much the MacBook Pro suffers from thermal throttling, and where I noticed this most was in the CineBench test, where the Mac Mini with the M2 Pro 12-core CPU scored around 14700 points and the MacBook Pro with the same chip scored about 13700!
Mac Mini is irrelevant.
Why is it irrelevant?
@@bivensrk not A chip
@@alysdexia Mac mini is it relevant because not a chip? I’m missing the connection, sorry.
@@bivensrk learn how to read and write; that’ll answer your question.
I've just bought a Mac Mini M2 and plan to run Logic on it. Having 70+ tracks to play with will be more than enough capacity for me. It'll be heaps faster than my 2017 Intel iMac I'm sure.
I have the base M2 Mac mini and for everyday use, it has been amazing.
Good to know, I now someone who might need to watch this, thanks as always. Still waiting for the Mac Pro if worth the jump.
This may sound dumb but I’m just discovering Xcode, which would be best if I’m just looking to create apps to customize my iPhone/iwatch? I don’t do video editing, I usually just watch TH-cam.
Unless these Minis are running side by side, I wouldn't even see the difference. Neither productive, editing or in a hurry - so base model is perfect. Thanks for saving me mucho bucks.
I wonder how fast is the ssd speed of a M2 1TB ? Is it also crippled ?