I bought an M1 mac mini almost 2 months before the M2 was announced, and I took it into the apple store expecting them to laugh me out of the buildings because their return window is 14 days. Even the first guy I talked to sympathized with me but told me to expect a no. Apparently there was a sympathetic manager cause he approved the swap. Ended up getting refunded a hundred dollars by the end of the encounter because of the price drop between the M1 and M2. The guy processing the trade went back to the manager like 3 times probably trying to cover his own ass to make sure he was cool with it, and he just kept shrugging "sometimes it ends up like that". Actually a pretty cool experience at an apple store. I'm not really a big apple guy but that encounter was pretty great.
I don’t think the store would really end up caring because it’s Apples policies problem at that point and worth more to the store that you have a good experience
I've had a pretty cool experience too, pretty long ago now but i wanted to buy an iPod and was 10€ short and they still sold it to me, it was probably because i was like 12 at the time but still very nice of them
they never tout the internal speaker that I have seen. I think it's really just there to make the "bong" sound on boot-up and just happens to be a better speaker than the one in old desktops that served the same function of bios/troubleshooting beeps.
The International Court of Justice is punishing Jake for breaking Geneva's convention when putting the Apple sticker on the mac. That's how brutal it is.
I just purchased 10 of these for a rehearsal studio at a major cruise line for running QLab. For the first time, it was actually a realistic option to go with the baseline Mac without any upgrades. I didn't, but I totally could have. I don't trust that they won't decide to do more with these things later on. I also personally have a Mac Studio that I use daily and it's been an incredible computer. Totally silent, powerful as hell, and the power consumption is super low. I'm driving two 4K Displays right now and it doesn't break a sweat. I still get 60-80fps if I decide to game a bit... even at 4k. My actual Windows desktop is definitely better for gaming, but Apple is really killing it.
@@krazymeanie Yeah it's really stupid. Then Linus will spend 30 minutes on the WAN show saying how he really doesn't have a bias against Apple and to prove it he will go on a tangent about whatever it is he doesn't like about the latest Apple product. The new M2 Mac mini is a really good value proposition. Reviewers can and should wail on Apple when they demand a kidney to go above 512GB of storage, but similarly I feel it should be acknowledged when they are selling a shockingly good PC for $600
Suggestion: if two devices have a really noticeable difference in volume, lower the volume of the louder one to match the quieter one; our brains recognize louder sources as clearer/better sounding, which can make a difference in the appraisal of sound quality, particularly in person.
@@diamondrel5190 Generally the opposite occurs. Distortion happens when a device tries to output more volume than it's physically capable of producing cleanly. So if the tester only has time to test one volume setting, then max is the best way to get a sense of speaker quality. Ideally tho, you would want the tester to test the entire volume range of the device, then give us some charts showing at what dB levels the speakers become unstable and lose the "flatness" of their frequency response. Some good speakers just sound like crap at max volume because the engineers simply set the "max" level too high. But ultimately that is a job for LTT labs.
@@pirojfmifhghek566That's true, too loud causes distortion, lowering means it won't have enough power to effectively drive the speakers, there's a reason that amps and dacs are required for higher power speakers and headphones
If that's the max volume one source hits why would you, then it wouldn't be as "apples to apples" as max to max comparison. If what you're getting sounds quiet, suffocated, and tinny compared to something everyone else is used to you that should probably be shown... which is what was done. Otherwise people might have other expectations of this device's on-board speaker, thinking it sounds just as loud as iPhone speakers which wouldn't be entirely true. Then they'd still have to mention that and compare it to the phone's max volume anyways, unless you're basically asking them to *handicap* something that's audibly perceived as better. Either way, that'd be more work for the same outcome. They'd still come to the conclusion that it's quiet, suffocated, and tinny.
was always telling myself i was gonna upgrade from my i9 16 inch once they announced the m2 pro 16 inch, that was until the mac mini m2 pro came. gonna be going with that now since i’m always doing my work at the desk with my macbook in clamshell mode anyway and save a solid ~$1.4k
it's means to incentivise people to buy the base model - there's a huuuuuge market there and its a nice opportunity fo apple for additional revenue in recession. I'd say a really good move
Yup. It was a savvy move, though. The M2 Mac Mini is pretty much impossible to beat in the price bracket now. The Mac Mini now costs as much as an iPad Mini. I can't imagine this not going well for Apple We might even see Apple desktops gain popularity in new markets abroad at this price point. $600 is still pricey, but there's a big difference between $600 and $800
Its the classic drug dealer first taste free thing. They want people to buy a cheaper mac and get hooked onto the ecosystem and later invest more into the ecosystem.
The Mac Studio never came with the M* Pro SoC. The M2 Pro Mac mini is the first M* Pro class Mac desktop, which is why it stands out as being such an interesting product.
I'm still using a 2014 Mac Mini with a gut-wrenching 4 gigs of RAM, but I love it. I also still use a ton of older iMacs and Mac Pros (with the Catalina patcher on them) with much more RAM. I love using them all. I keep wanting to pull the trigger on a purchase of one of these with the 16 gig option, but I can't justify it at the moment. I think as soon as Windows 10 goes EOL, I'll get something then. I've been a PC guy my entire life (at least after the CoCo2), going back to DOS 3.2, seen a lot of junk come and go from Microsoft, but Windows 11 is where I finally have elected to jump ship completely over to Apple.
Why with Win11 specifically? I like my Macbook, but I really don't mind Win11 on my desktop. It's just a more polished Windows 10. Also, why haven't you upgraded your 2014 Mac Mini? RAM is dirt cheap.
@@ivanmalinovski7807 I am sick of rewarding MS for changing things just for the sake of changing things. I can sit down at one of the vintage Macs I collect, look at 6.0.8, and still feel more or less familiar with any release up to Ventura even. My last favorite version of Windows was 7. As far as the RAM, this is one of the models (late 2014) that's not able to have its RAM upgraded. That's the problem I have with Apple. I like the ability to build and customize and upgrade in the x86 world, but I like the Apple ecosystem better so, pick your poison I suppose LOL
Apple's M line of chips are absolute beasts. I would recommend these things constantly to people if not.... for their prices. They're absolutely outrageous, and you cant upgrade/expand.
Bought the M2 mini w the 16/256 config since I have external storage and I needed some extra ram for light coding and web development, and I'm loving it! Coming from an i7 4720HQ (2015), the greatest thing was no longer hearing an helicopter in the room XD
I am not happy with the serviceability of the Mac computers as a whole. They solder almost all of the components onto the motherboards now and all of the extra components are very fragile and easy to break/tear. Apple has basically refused people the ability to maintain their own devices outside of just blowing the dust out of them. Very shameful tactics from such a well known company.
they have been that way for awhile - the more modern tactic is the software based locks where even if you did have the proper parts it still won't accept them.
If you're focusing on Android/iOS mobile development you should main an apple computer anyway since it can do both, and the Android toolchain is much faster on MacOS/Linux.
@@jonathanvannier9797 No thanks. Windows is easier to develop on for everything else but iOS. And no to Linux because my boss is not paying me to fiddle around with my OS when things don't work.
@@derickwiebe The tooling you'll be facing for (mobile) development is exactly the same on all platforms, and for all intents and purposes Windows corporate machines "hardened" by IT often fight against you. As for the "My boss is not paying me to fiddle around with my OS when things don't work" if that does not reek of armchair developer I don't know what does lol.
The USD$600 price point is wild. Putting a cheap Windows system together with the same RAM, a DRAMless NVMe SSD of the same capacity and a retail Windows license, I can only put a 12400 in that thing before it goes over budget. It's just a shame that every little spec bump is highway robbery.
@@Vancha112 yes, well in beta. OpenGL 1.2 I think is solid they are working on OpenGL 3 and 4 and VK support will come a lot later as that requires compute that is quite a bit more complex. Also the VK support support will be along the lines of a TBDR gpu so will require some big changes for VK games (and DX games through translation) to be able to make effective use.
I just tried a simple real-world test with my M2 Mini 512GB (non-pro): It runs/plays at least 7 duplicate TH-cam videos simultaneously without any hesitation! (all 7 in 4K!) along with a dozen other windows open.
@@TetraSky but I'm not looking at those options? I'll get an external SSD over thunderbolt and that will do me fine. I'll be using it for very light Dev work mostly
But... why? You can get a sweet Ryzen 5625U laptop for this price with 16GB ram, 512gb ssd and ofcourse it includes IPS display, keyboard, battery. Even performance and power efficiency is very comparable. And laptop is just so much more versatile.
@@Glotttis if he wanted a laptop he'd be looking at a macbook prolly, this device is something completely entirely different. so much that i'm not even sure how you even possibly thought of comparing it to a laptop
I would like to see a curling shootout with different devices. Maybe try the Pixel phones which are slippery enough to fall off a perfectly horizontal surface.
$200 price increase from 256GB to 512GB storage is hilarious. It's like $25 for a 256GB NVMe drive, and $50 for a 512GB version of it. Literally 8x cost increase from apple tax
It's made like this on purpose, even on iPhones(sadly trend also moved to some Android phones) sell phone swithout microSD slot, then you are forced to spit them more money if you want/need more storage, similar story here. But the worst part is storage in here is soldered... RAM wasn't enough, has to be storage as well... currently almost everything there is non-serviceable/unrepairable, apparently you can replace memory chips, but then you need to reprogram it in some way so it works and only apple has program to do it for now. Like apparently its great buy from how everyone is praising them, but damn its impossible to repair if something goes wrong, you can send it to apple repair, but repair will probably cost $400 for machine that costs $600. I really hope other PC/laptop manufacturers don't follow them on this. I know some have soldered RAM, but usually there is another slot to upgrade it, also extremely rarely have I seen soldered storage chips, that just sucks balls. As great as it maybe is I really couldn't recommend this to anyone. Only thing that I can accept that is unrepairable as this is a phone and like a smart watch(which I don't even have).
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu The problem is Apple is always marketing this stuff for "creatives" and how nice it would be to work on your "projects". As a "creative" I literally couldnt store a single project of mine on a 256 drive, and after you´ve installed all of the programs you need and stuff there will be basically no space left. Not everyone is just using excel in their browser all day or watches YT videos. Why would you need a powerful chip like a M2 for 600 when you cant use it or just dont use it?
@@anohippo They wish for you to spec it up to something like 1-2TB and then upsell you to the m2 pro model with 1-2TB of storage so that you will end up spending over $2000 on one of their devices, instead of going for a proper workstation pc that can be used and upgraded for generations to come
Agree. That's how they became a trilion dollar company. The base model is pretty reasonable but then the add-ons to actually make it usable are priced insanely
What would hold me back from trying something like a Mac Mini is the just small size of the base models storage, the fact that you can't add storage and the fact that the upgrades to more storage are frankly insane. The 512 GB version is €230,- more (€719,- vs €949,-) and the ONLY difference is the amount of storage. I can get a blazing fast 2TB SSD for that amount of money. Want 2TB from Apple in your Mac Mini? + €920,- please. NINEHUNDRED AND TWENTY BUCKS.
You can use an external drive with it to expand the storage, you can even run the OS from the external drive without any issues. So I wouldn't let the storage thing hold you back.
Thunderbolt4 to M.2 bridge: ~$170. M.2 2TiB NVME SSD ~$170. Still very fast, quite reliable. Get a Command Strip and stick the enclosure to the top/side/whatever of your Mini, problem solved, and is also upgradable later.
@@richardhunter9779 Watch some videos on the base Richard. Because they are ARM, they are much more capable than you think on that spec. For example editing 4K video or programming.
I don't really like that HDMI 2.1 is exclusive to the Pro version. There is no good reason for that, it's just Apple being money grubbers like usual. I mean, HDMI 2.1 has been around for several years now. I wonder if they're even saving money, considering they have to split the stock between the two HDMI SKUs.
Slight correction to your correction: only the M1 Ultra Studio has six Thunderbolt ports; all the other models support only USB 4 on the front USB-C ports.
These are amazingly powerful for the power draw they use. If we can make a SANE version of these sort of things instead of such massively "brand tax" expensive ARM machines from Apple, I honestly think ARM could be the future and end the x86 run- PARTICULARLY with the lower power draw and how insane electrical prices will be getting as more and more demand and need for it is coming (think EV's and ending natural gas and using less powerful renewable generation sources).
I don't think Apple's prices are too bad here, the whole Apple tax thing is a bit of a myth in most cases these days. This is definitely a great little machine for the money.
Watching this for the first time in 2023, i thought this is a movie about space Explorer thing. It turns the space is just a tools... This movie is a message, that LOVE is so powerful, it can reach a damn black hole even going through 5th dimension to reach your loved one! I expected to be a amused by some action, but then i cried due to father daughter emotional connection that last through decades..
Cool and all but they only give you 8GB of ram for a computer you can't upgrade? That's brutal, yes, yes Apple's integration and software does better use of the ram so you don't need as much as in a Windows PC but that's still very little if you want to keep it for more than 2 years. The worst part is that this situation is probably by design.
Would be cool if LTT could approach Apple products a bit more open minded and objectively. It's great when the call out Apple for all the bad things they do, but I always feel like they overdo it.
I think they're selling the version you have there for $499 in late 2023. You really can't beat it for the form factor, upgrade ease, and what it can do out of the box. You might not bother if your internal storage needs are minimal, and you just want light duty like browsing etc. Not little option to get into the Apple ecosystem if your doing Windows or Linux.
the bigger pro chip has a bigger mother board and cooler, so the base model is indeed undersized. But the same could be said of any prebuilt with a microatx mobo
Apple hasn't changed the way the mouse charges because they are worried if you can use the mouse while charging it people will just always leave it plugged in and it won't be "wireless" (Yeah I know it's super dumb lol) Also the speaker is only integrated on the mini for accessibility features. Like if you need voice over because you are visually impaired but aren't able to connect external speakers.
They don't do it that way because people will leave it in and use it non wirelessly, they worry because since the batteries of the magic mouse are essentially glued inside of it, if the batteries wear down (THEY WILL IN CONSTANT USAGE), then the device becomes unusable unless its plugged in 24/7, however thankfully they made the mouse useless when plugged in too!! meaning that if your mouse battery stops working then you have to fork out another $130, which is incredibly profitable for apple.
I like deeply evaluating a speaker that only really exists for two things. The return of that famous Apple startup chime, and for blind / sight impaired people that need to setup their system and haven't bought speakers/headphones yet.
I just bought this, it's fantastic for my needs..Id developers and creative folk whine about a Mac mini, it's NOT designed for those purposes. It's a GREAT device for most of the planet...
Boy the upgrade to M2 Mac Mini pro is appealing. With edu pricing I bought a M2 Mini with 16 gb for $699, but for another $400, you get more ports, the ability to run 3 monitors, more and faster SSD memory plus the M2 pro processor. Maybe it is just that the non-pro is intentionally limited. :(
Gotta be and early adapter to win that race. The only time I got in late and didn't have that happen was with the Switch. Nintendo has never upgraded mid system so that was an easy guess. Ha ha ha!! Switch Pro let's gooooo!! On the downside I hope your M1 lasts as long and my Macintosh 9.2.2 did. I honestly have never owned an OS X machine for more than a few months cause the old Mac kept going and then Yellow Dog Linux (mac) give me another 5 years on the ancient hardware. Too bad you cant easily upgrade storage after purchase.
Really enjoyed this video. You are a fantastic reviewer, who is effortless funny and informative at the same time. I have subscribed and will revert to your videos before i purchase any Apple product. I did purchase the Mac Mini M2 base model and I absolutely LOVE it.
This is an excellent Apple product because of its low starting price. However, when you try to upgrade to 16 GB of ram or 512 GB of storage, as you should, it's insanely expensive. Another 8 GB of ram costs $200! Why? No one should be using only 8 GB of ram in 2022, same with 256 GB but no one should be cashing $200 for 8 GB of ram, just buy the pro version. This is only for college students who can only afford this much until they can get a job and buy a more premium one.
I've been looking at getting an older used mac mini. my dad got one for free when someone got locked out of it i found a way with using commands to make a mew admin account and reset it. ended up selling it but man i had fun playing with it.
(1) "I suspect that this will not throttle easily, It's still at the minimum 1700 RPM speed doesn't really seem like it's getting any hotter which is great so you're at least getting the full fat performance out of this M2 Chip." (2) "There's like nothing in here. Why don't they make this thing smaller? It's like half empty." Answer to (2): See (1).
I wish there was a mini pc this size with comparable gpu power that DOESN'T have an external power brich and isn't twice the size when the power brich IS internal...
That “Look!” At the beginning of the video nearly deafened me, so much louder that the rest of the video. Please try to not have the loudest part of the video at 0.02s playtime.
men 2,5 or 5 Gbit Ethernet should be standard nowadays starting at mid tier 700 bucks + devices. Also gosh darned some network gear manufacturer - release a 2,5 Gbit Switch thats not 100 bucks, thank you It looks so much like a juiced up Raspberry PI :D
I wonder if someone at Apple hates using a mouse and loves the trackpad, and they forced that charging design on everyone to make us rage quit into using the trackpad ...
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I bought an M1 mac mini almost 2 months before the M2 was announced, and I took it into the apple store expecting them to laugh me out of the buildings because their return window is 14 days. Even the first guy I talked to sympathized with me but told me to expect a no. Apparently there was a sympathetic manager cause he approved the swap. Ended up getting refunded a hundred dollars by the end of the encounter because of the price drop between the M1 and M2. The guy processing the trade went back to the manager like 3 times probably trying to cover his own ass to make sure he was cool with it, and he just kept shrugging "sometimes it ends up like that". Actually a pretty cool experience at an apple store. I'm not really a big apple guy but that encounter was pretty great.
I don’t think the store would really end up caring because it’s Apples policies problem at that point and worth more to the store that you have a good experience
I've had a pretty cool experience too, pretty long ago now but i wanted to buy an iPod and was 10€ short and they still sold it to me, it was probably because i was like 12 at the time but still very nice of them
You're not supposed to tell the internet when they do things like that... it'll reduce your chance of it ever happening again.
Maybe it is because you are a cute little femboy heh
@@kakashi99908 wtf
they never tout the internal speaker that I have seen. I think it's really just there to make the "bong" sound on boot-up and just happens to be a better speaker than the one in old desktops that served the same function of bios/troubleshooting beeps.
Yer that internal speaker is just for diagnostic sounds (yes the Mac has a few if you start to play around deep in the system).
The International Court of Justice is punishing Jake for breaking Geneva's convention when putting the Apple sticker on the mac. That's how brutal it is.
😂😂
yeah, you're not supposed to torture, and that was right up against that line haha
Unfortunately the horde of demons unsealed by that cursed act will make it hard to catch him.
@@iddi5309 he's on the run it seems
add the fact Jake's networking abilities are prominent he'll be masking his ip address all day
Praise gaben the sticker was removed!
I just purchased 10 of these for a rehearsal studio at a major cruise line for running QLab. For the first time, it was actually a realistic option to go with the baseline Mac without any upgrades. I didn't, but I totally could have. I don't trust that they won't decide to do more with these things later on.
I also personally have a Mac Studio that I use daily and it's been an incredible computer. Totally silent, powerful as hell, and the power consumption is super low. I'm driving two 4K Displays right now and it doesn't break a sweat. I still get 60-80fps if I decide to game a bit... even at 4k. My actual Windows desktop is definitely better for gaming, but Apple is really killing it.
Why does everyone from LTT, when unboxing, have to act like they really hate whatever is inside the box?
I feel this is only with apple products .
This is only with apple products
Well. They are tech reviewers. Many of them have a deeply rooted hatred for anything apple related. But fair reviews bring revenue.
@@krazymeanie Yeah it's really stupid. Then Linus will spend 30 minutes on the WAN show saying how he really doesn't have a bias against Apple and to prove it he will go on a tangent about whatever it is he doesn't like about the latest Apple product.
The new M2 Mac mini is a really good value proposition. Reviewers can and should wail on Apple when they demand a kidney to go above 512GB of storage, but similarly I feel it should be acknowledged when they are selling a shockingly good PC for $600
They are very informed about tech and know that Apple only produces mediocre products at a high price. hard to be happy about it!
Suggestion: if two devices have a really noticeable difference in volume, lower the volume of the louder one to match the quieter one; our brains recognize louder sources as clearer/better sounding, which can make a difference in the appraisal of sound quality, particularly in person.
Maybe lower the mic/audio track levels, but not the device levels. You want the device to be put through its paces.
Lowering the volume also lowers the quality
@@diamondrel5190 Generally the opposite occurs. Distortion happens when a device tries to output more volume than it's physically capable of producing cleanly.
So if the tester only has time to test one volume setting, then max is the best way to get a sense of speaker quality.
Ideally tho, you would want the tester to test the entire volume range of the device, then give us some charts showing at what dB levels the speakers become unstable and lose the "flatness" of their frequency response. Some good speakers just sound like crap at max volume because the engineers simply set the "max" level too high. But ultimately that is a job for LTT labs.
@@pirojfmifhghek566That's true, too loud causes distortion, lowering means it won't have enough power to effectively drive the speakers, there's a reason that amps and dacs are required for higher power speakers and headphones
If that's the max volume one source hits why would you, then it wouldn't be as "apples to apples" as max to max comparison. If what you're getting sounds quiet, suffocated, and tinny compared to something everyone else is used to you that should probably be shown... which is what was done. Otherwise people might have other expectations of this device's on-board speaker, thinking it sounds just as loud as iPhone speakers which wouldn't be entirely true. Then they'd still have to mention that and compare it to the phone's max volume anyways, unless you're basically asking them to *handicap* something that's audibly perceived as better. Either way, that'd be more work for the same outcome. They'd still come to the conclusion that it's quiet, suffocated, and tinny.
was always telling myself i was gonna upgrade from my i9 16 inch once they announced the m2 pro 16 inch, that was until the mac mini m2 pro came. gonna be going with that now since i’m always doing my work at the desk with my macbook in clamshell mode anyway and save a solid ~$1.4k
Surprising part of the Apple actually lowered the price of one of their new devices compared to the previous one.
I was surprised that it wasn't like 900 bucks when I looked it up.
I mean they're probably still making money at this price point but also gaining market share and probably also collecting more data because of that
it's means to incentivise people to buy the base model - there's a huuuuuge market there and its a nice opportunity fo apple for additional revenue in recession. I'd say a really good move
Yup. It was a savvy move, though. The M2 Mac Mini is pretty much impossible to beat in the price bracket now. The Mac Mini now costs as much as an iPad Mini. I can't imagine this not going well for Apple
We might even see Apple desktops gain popularity in new markets abroad at this price point. $600 is still pricey, but there's a big difference between $600 and $800
Its the classic drug dealer first taste free thing. They want people to buy a cheaper mac and get hooked onto the ecosystem and later invest more into the ecosystem.
The Mac Studio never came with the M* Pro SoC. The M2 Pro Mac mini is the first M* Pro class Mac desktop, which is why it stands out as being such an interesting product.
I love Mac mini :) but I wish ram upgrade didn’t cost £200 for an extra 8GB 😂
what stinks is that 8gb (which is what the base model has) is not a lot of ram anymore except for web browsing and using microsoft office
@@Bukki13 actually, macOS is incredibly optimized and uses way less ram than windows
@@Bukki13 It's not ideal but 8gb on a Mac is not the same as 8gb on a Windows machine. For $600 this thing is pretty good.
@@Bukki13 8GB on Mac is kinda okay, you can do everything pretty nicely. but 16GB is more future proof.
@@bjvink0130 yeah but 8gb is still 8gb
I'd try curling with a Mac Mini. Sounds like a fun time.
They make interesting hockey pucks too.
Nearly as much fun as growing a beard so you can use Linux.
@@DansModelBench As a bearded Linux guy myself, I suspect curling with a Mac Mini would be much more fun 🥌
Definitely an interesting machine, makes me wanna give MacOS a try lol
I'm still using a 2014 Mac Mini with a gut-wrenching 4 gigs of RAM, but I love it. I also still use a ton of older iMacs and Mac Pros (with the Catalina patcher on them) with much more RAM. I love using them all. I keep wanting to pull the trigger on a purchase of one of these with the 16 gig option, but I can't justify it at the moment. I think as soon as Windows 10 goes EOL, I'll get something then. I've been a PC guy my entire life (at least after the CoCo2), going back to DOS 3.2, seen a lot of junk come and go from Microsoft, but Windows 11 is where I finally have elected to jump ship completely over to Apple.
Why with Win11 specifically? I like my Macbook, but I really don't mind Win11 on my desktop. It's just a more polished Windows 10. Also, why haven't you upgraded your 2014 Mac Mini? RAM is dirt cheap.
@@ivanmalinovski7807 I am sick of rewarding MS for changing things just for the sake of changing things. I can sit down at one of the vintage Macs I collect, look at 6.0.8, and still feel more or less familiar with any release up to Ventura even. My last favorite version of Windows was 7. As far as the RAM, this is one of the models (late 2014) that's not able to have its RAM upgraded. That's the problem I have with Apple. I like the ability to build and customize and upgrade in the x86 world, but I like the Apple ecosystem better so, pick your poison I suppose LOL
I would to see an LTT video where you guys try to make a smaller Mac mini case
Check out SnazzyLab, I can't think it could get any smaller than that!
I've never wanted one, but tech content continues to appease my brain. I shall watch anyway
I think it would make a good emulation box if it had better I/O
Sam! 😂 It’s interesting content regardless.
@@pedro4205 m1 pro version has 4 thunderbolts
@@norkshit But emulation box is supposed to be cheap
@@pedro4205 this can easily emulate switch. Can’t expect something that capable to be super cheap
Apple's M line of chips are absolute beasts. I would recommend these things constantly to people if not.... for their prices. They're absolutely outrageous, and you cant upgrade/expand.
Bought the M2 mini w the 16/256 config since I have external storage and I needed some extra ram for light coding and web development, and I'm loving it!
Coming from an i7 4720HQ (2015), the greatest thing was no longer hearing an helicopter in the room XD
Thanks to this, M1 minis are even cheaper; even though they were cheap as is. Under $500 on apple refurbished right now for the M1
3:42 Well well well... looks like we've got a time traveler here
Please do a video with the m2 pro Mac mini 🫶
I actually chuckled at "Whats this, propaganda" as you just tossed the booklet away
As if that’s the only company that does that. It’s legal documents so they don’t get sued 😂
7:03 this image is what I imagined when I first heard about Mac Address
This is such a good deal that for a second I was considering getting this with student discount + a monitor but I def need a portable setup.
use an ipad (as display) or a lil portable monitor :)
I use my ipad as my main computer and if you’re not coding it suffices
I am not happy with the serviceability of the Mac computers as a whole. They solder almost all of the components onto the motherboards now and all of the extra components are very fragile and easy to break/tear. Apple has basically refused people the ability to maintain their own devices outside of just blowing the dust out of them. Very shameful tactics from such a well known company.
they have been that way for awhile - the more modern tactic is the software based locks where even if you did have the proper parts it still won't accept them.
That low end one is the "I need to develop iOS apps for Apple's walled garden, but refuse to use it for anything else" version.
If you're focusing on Android/iOS mobile development you should main an apple computer anyway since it can do both, and the Android toolchain is much faster on MacOS/Linux.
@@jonathanvannier9797 No thanks. Windows is easier to develop on for everything else but iOS.
And no to Linux because my boss is not paying me to fiddle around with my OS when things don't work.
@@derickwiebe The tooling you'll be facing for (mobile) development is exactly the same on all platforms, and for all intents and purposes Windows corporate machines "hardened" by IT often fight against you. As for the "My boss is not paying me to fiddle around with my OS when things don't work" if that does not reek of armchair developer I don't know what does lol.
The USD$600 price point is wild. Putting a cheap Windows system together with the same RAM, a DRAMless NVMe SSD of the same capacity and a retail Windows license, I can only put a 12400 in that thing before it goes over budget. It's just a shame that every little spec bump is highway robbery.
2:20 you just threw a $100 iSticker
I'm not a mac person, but asahi linux development makes me kinda want one...
Yeah, that sounds like a cool combo :o
I've been using Asahi on my M1 Mac Mini, which I use as a server. It's great for most purposes, but it has its limits.
@@ivanmalinovski7807 like what?
@@ivanmalinovski7807 does it have hardware acceleration yet? :O
@@Vancha112 yes, well in beta. OpenGL 1.2 I think is solid they are working on OpenGL 3 and 4 and VK support will come a lot later as that requires compute that is quite a bit more complex. Also the VK support support will be along the lines of a TBDR gpu so will require some big changes for VK games (and DX games through translation) to be able to make effective use.
I think the plastic is only on the device to pull it easier from the box.
I'm pretty sure there's a solution to that problem which doesn't require a plastic sticker.
Of course, I was just responding to his question. It’s useless in my opinion
I just tried a simple real-world test with my M2 Mini 512GB (non-pro): It runs/plays at least 7 duplicate TH-cam videos simultaneously without any hesitation! (all 7 in 4K!) along with a dozen other windows open.
on a 43" Samsung M7 monitor in split screen mode as well.
So tempted to get one. Really well priced (especially education pricing at £539 👀)
But then you look at getting 512GB of storage instead of 256GB and that's £200. Want 16GB instead of 8GB of RAM ? Another £200.
@@TetraSky a great low/ medium load computer for students tho
@@TetraSky but I'm not looking at those options? I'll get an external SSD over thunderbolt and that will do me fine. I'll be using it for very light Dev work mostly
But... why? You can get a sweet Ryzen 5625U laptop for this price with 16GB ram, 512gb ssd and ofcourse it includes IPS display, keyboard, battery. Even performance and power efficiency is very comparable. And laptop is just so much more versatile.
@@Glotttis if he wanted a laptop he'd be looking at a macbook prolly, this device is something completely entirely different. so much that i'm not even sure how you even possibly thought of comparing it to a laptop
I can never unsee the way you put that sticker on that beautiful metal box.
I would like to see a curling shootout with different devices. Maybe try the Pixel phones which are slippery enough to fall off a perfectly horizontal surface.
$200 price increase from 256GB to 512GB storage is hilarious.
It's like $25 for a 256GB NVMe drive, and $50 for a 512GB version of it.
Literally 8x cost increase from apple tax
It's made like this on purpose, even on iPhones(sadly trend also moved to some Android phones) sell phone swithout microSD slot, then you are forced to spit them more money if you want/need more storage, similar story here. But the worst part is storage in here is soldered... RAM wasn't enough, has to be storage as well... currently almost everything there is non-serviceable/unrepairable, apparently you can replace memory chips, but then you need to reprogram it in some way so it works and only apple has program to do it for now.
Like apparently its great buy from how everyone is praising them, but damn its impossible to repair if something goes wrong, you can send it to apple repair, but repair will probably cost $400 for machine that costs $600. I really hope other PC/laptop manufacturers don't follow them on this. I know some have soldered RAM, but usually there is another slot to upgrade it, also extremely rarely have I seen soldered storage chips, that just sucks balls. As great as it maybe is I really couldn't recommend this to anyone. Only thing that I can accept that is unrepairable as this is a phone and like a smart watch(which I don't even have).
Then don’t get it. stick with base model. What’s the problem?
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu The problem is Apple is always marketing this stuff for "creatives" and how nice it would be to work on your "projects". As a "creative" I literally couldnt store a single project of mine on a 256 drive, and after you´ve installed all of the programs you need and stuff there will be basically no space left. Not everyone is just using excel in their browser all day or watches YT videos. Why would you need a powerful chip like a M2 for 600 when you cant use it or just dont use it?
@@anohippo They wish for you to spec it up to something like 1-2TB and then upsell you to the m2 pro model with 1-2TB of storage so that you will end up spending over $2000 on one of their devices, instead of going for a proper workstation pc that can be used and upgraded for generations to come
Agree. That's how they became a trilion dollar company. The base model is pretty reasonable but then the add-ons to actually make it usable are priced insanely
What would hold me back from trying something like a Mac Mini is the just small size of the base models storage, the fact that you can't add storage and the fact that the upgrades to more storage are frankly insane. The 512 GB version is €230,- more (€719,- vs €949,-) and the ONLY difference is the amount of storage. I can get a blazing fast 2TB SSD for that amount of money.
Want 2TB from Apple in your Mac Mini? + €920,- please. NINEHUNDRED AND TWENTY BUCKS.
The base spec is supposed to be unacceptable and the real price is 2x advertised. Welcome to luxury products!
You can use an external drive with it to expand the storage, you can even run the OS from the external drive without any issues. So I wouldn't let the storage thing hold you back.
Connecting an external ssd through thunderbolt is very usable for most cases where the base model is sufficient otherwise.
Thunderbolt4 to M.2 bridge: ~$170. M.2 2TiB NVME SSD ~$170. Still very fast, quite reliable. Get a Command Strip and stick the enclosure to the top/side/whatever of your Mini, problem solved, and is also upgradable later.
@@richardhunter9779 Watch some videos on the base Richard. Because they are ARM, they are much more capable than you think on that spec. For example editing 4K video or programming.
why were they concerned about showing Linus in shortcircuit? like the guy actually seemed genuinely concerned when Jake was pulling up the video.
I don't really like that HDMI 2.1 is exclusive to the Pro version. There is no good reason for that, it's just Apple being money grubbers like usual. I mean, HDMI 2.1 has been around for several years now. I wonder if they're even saving money, considering they have to split the stock between the two HDMI SKUs.
$599… over here it’s €719, roughly $772.
Slight correction to your correction: only the M1 Ultra Studio has six Thunderbolt ports; all the other models support only USB 4 on the front USB-C ports.
I wonder if LTT is just getting tired? It definitely shows in every video. Especially with this guy!
So glad they finally put HDMI 2.1 on one of these models.
Bought it yesterday, love it today.
Man, I want to meet the editor v2FINALFINAL from the credits, he looks so nice !
These are amazingly powerful for the power draw they use. If we can make a SANE version of these sort of things instead of such massively "brand tax" expensive ARM machines from Apple, I honestly think ARM could be the future and end the x86 run- PARTICULARLY with the lower power draw and how insane electrical prices will be getting as more and more demand and need for it is coming (think EV's and ending natural gas and using less powerful renewable generation sources).
I don't think Apple's prices are too bad here, the whole Apple tax thing is a bit of a myth in most cases these days. This is definitely a great little machine for the money.
@@Skullet Base model yes but the upgrades costing $200 each is a rip off.
Jake, mate, that comb over!!!
Watching this for the first time in 2023, i thought this is a movie about space Explorer thing. It turns the space is just a tools...
This movie is a message, that LOVE is so powerful, it can reach a damn black hole even going through 5th dimension to reach your loved one!
I expected to be a amused by some action, but then i cried due to father daughter emotional connection that last through decades..
Cool and all but they only give you 8GB of ram for a computer you can't upgrade? That's brutal, yes, yes Apple's integration and software does better use of the ram so you don't need as much as in a Windows PC but that's still very little if you want to keep it for more than 2 years. The worst part is that this situation is probably by design.
e-waste after two years will be a nice flowers pot stand 🤣
I want one… damn. Looks good
That sticker placement hurt me inside. 😂
Would be cool if LTT could approach Apple products a bit more open minded and objectively. It's great when the call out Apple for all the bad things they do, but I always feel like they overdo it.
I'm convinced the Mac mini packaging hasn't changed since it was released
I think Jake is not Jake , he said it's okey to charge 200$ for 256gb Storage O_O
The injury on Jake's finger says to me that we should see some SPICY Jake + Jake and his father videos on the main LTT channel soon...
I think they're selling the version you have there for $499 in late 2023. You really can't beat it for the form factor, upgrade ease, and what it can do out of the box. You might not bother if your internal storage needs are minimal, and you just want light duty like browsing etc. Not little option to get into the Apple ecosystem if your doing Windows or Linux.
the bigger pro chip has a bigger mother board and cooler, so the base model is indeed undersized. But the same could be said of any prebuilt with a microatx mobo
"you can curl with this thing" very Canadian, I love it!
Linus would have slid it off the table on the curling demonstration.
They should do a video where they mod the speaker to be back-firing out the rear vent.
the headphone port is in the back. That is the most annoying thing.
"You could Curl with this thing" is the most Canadian thing ever. Nice.
Bro hating a speaker in a desktop 😭. How do the speakers inside of your desktop sound
Was "Vibing" on Jake's word of the day calendar today or something?
The robot that wraps those cables is laughing at us 😂
Apple hasn't changed the way the mouse charges because they are worried if you can use the mouse while charging it people will just always leave it plugged in and it won't be "wireless" (Yeah I know it's super dumb lol) Also the speaker is only integrated on the mini for accessibility features. Like if you need voice over because you are visually impaired but aren't able to connect external speakers.
They don't do it that way because people will leave it in and use it non wirelessly, they worry because since the batteries of the magic mouse are essentially glued inside of it, if the batteries wear down (THEY WILL IN CONSTANT USAGE), then the device becomes unusable unless its plugged in 24/7, however thankfully they made the mouse useless when plugged in too!! meaning that if your mouse battery stops working then you have to fork out another $130, which is incredibly profitable for apple.
I like deeply evaluating a speaker that only really exists for two things.
The return of that famous Apple startup chime, and for blind / sight impaired people that need to setup their system and haven't bought speakers/headphones yet.
In a classroom or an office that is often the only speaker most of the time.
“You can Curl with this thing!” Let’s all salute the Maple Leaf.
This dude reaallllyy loves the word ''serviceable''
Thank you for reminding me to charge my mouse!
Watching this video with my Mac mini m1 base model.
It's fun to see Jake and Linus mind melding with the "Leetle Tiny Processor"
I just bought this, it's fantastic for my needs..Id developers and creative folk whine about a Mac mini, it's NOT designed for those purposes. It's a GREAT device for most of the planet...
I think 8/256 seems so limiting in 2023. At least you can add an external hdd/ssd for storage.
But it kind of defeats the purpose of compact pc.
Agree 👍 e-waste
would be nice if they made it taller for better speakers
Boy the upgrade to M2 Mac Mini pro is appealing. With edu pricing I bought a M2 Mini with 16 gb for $699, but for another $400, you get more ports, the ability to run 3 monitors, more and faster SSD memory plus the M2 pro processor. Maybe it is just that the non-pro is intentionally limited. :(
No I really want a Mac without paying.😊
It's a guarantee that as soon as I buy something THE NEW ONE RELEASES. I literally just got my M1!
Gotta be and early adapter to win that race. The only time I got in late and didn't have that happen was with the Switch. Nintendo has never upgraded mid system so that was an easy guess. Ha ha ha!! Switch Pro let's gooooo!!
On the downside I hope your M1 lasts as long and my Macintosh 9.2.2 did. I honestly have never owned an OS X machine for more than a few months cause the old Mac kept going and then Yellow Dog Linux (mac) give me another 5 years on the ancient hardware.
Too bad you cant easily upgrade storage after purchase.
Jokes aside the Mac mini has insane value , and has the same processing power as some higher end pcs
I replaced my MacBook docking station with a 499 for education Mac mini and I love it.
Upside down looks like portable stove
Really enjoyed this video. You are a fantastic reviewer, who is effortless funny and informative at the same time. I have subscribed and will revert to your videos before i purchase any Apple product. I did purchase the Mac Mini M2 base model and I absolutely LOVE it.
This is an excellent Apple product because of its low starting price. However, when you try to upgrade to 16 GB of ram or 512 GB of storage, as you should, it's insanely expensive. Another 8 GB of ram costs $200! Why? No one should be using only 8 GB of ram in 2022, same with 256 GB but no one should be cashing $200 for 8 GB of ram, just buy the pro version. This is only for college students who can only afford this much until they can get a job and buy a more premium one.
Happy to see someone not treating an Apple product like it is a baby 😂
I wish macbooks would be priced like this. I want a mac to carry around to customers, but the macbook air is too expensive for me :/
I did 256GB storage, 16GB ram, and 10GBe on the M2 regular for like $700 on sale with a $100 apple gift card included.
Jake is vibing today.
I've been looking at getting an older used mac mini. my dad got one for free when someone got locked out of it i found a way with using commands to make a mew admin account and reset it. ended up selling it but man i had fun playing with it.
Hey what do you guys think if you guys try to Shun mod the M1 or M2 chips and see how much power can it draw and boost? Should be quite cool.
"Hey laser lips, your momma was a snowblower!"
"Does this get searched easily?"
My sweet summer child. He has no idea.
(1) "I suspect that this will not throttle easily, It's still at the minimum 1700 RPM speed doesn't really seem like it's getting any hotter which is great so
you're at least getting the full fat performance out of this M2 Chip." (2) "There's like nothing in here. Why don't they make this thing smaller? It's like half empty."
Answer to (2): See (1).
I wish there was a mini pc this size with comparable gpu power that DOESN'T have an external power brich and isn't twice the size when the power brich IS internal...
This thing is actually pretty incredible
TH-cam randomly disallowing option to change video quality. This is the third LMG video in the span of two months.
That “Look!” At the beginning of the video nearly deafened me, so much louder that the rest of the video. Please try to not have the loudest part of the video at 0.02s playtime.
Impressive. Very Nice. Now let's see Mac OS Toggle off mouse acceleration. (it doesn't do this without third party apps that don't always work)
someone get Jake his own video series!!!
Jake : "Why don't they make it smaller, there's so much space in here"
Me: "Why don't they fill it with a speaker?"
men 2,5 or 5 Gbit Ethernet should be standard nowadays starting at mid tier 700 bucks + devices.
Also gosh darned some network gear manufacturer - release a 2,5 Gbit Switch thats not 100 bucks, thank you
It looks so much like a juiced up Raspberry PI :D
I wonder if someone at Apple hates using a mouse and loves the trackpad, and they forced that charging design on everyone to make us rage quit into using the trackpad ...
He really nailed, this review