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1:28 Which Models I got?
2:06 M2 vs M2 Pro Design Difference
2:29 How We're testing them & setup!
2:59 TB4 vs HDMI wattage
3:38 Which Mac is which?
4:07 Geekbench 5 testing
5:13 Speedometer 2.0 testing
6:12 Cinebench R23 Multi-core
7:11 Cinebench R23 10-minute Torture & Cooling
10:04 Cinebench R23 Single-Core Test
10:50 WEIRD RAM Usage...
11:20 Cinebench R23 Single Core RESULTS
11:37 Blender CPU & Bugs
12:43 Blender GPU & Bugs
13:51 M2 vs RTX from Nvidia
14:32 Geekbench 5 GPU Metal
15:14 Geekbench 5 GPU OpenCL
16:04 GFX Bench for M2 & M2 Pro
17:28 Black Magic Disk Speed Test
18:10 Why 256GB SSD is slow!
19:15 LPDDR5 RAM speed test
20:16 Premiere Pro
21:47 The PRICE!?!?!
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24:09 Is the M2 Pro Worth 2x the price??
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i love apple so much because they always sell cheap product
If you dont pay 2x price at first pace, then you'll have to renew your computer in a shorter time. I had a Mid 2010 mac pro, which means i'd used it more than 12 years, until buying my new full spec M2 pro Mac Mini.
I always buy any computer for futureproof. i think this is the best ratio of money/long time usage
When comparing M2 and M2 Pro, I think it is best to keep the RAM and the SSD the same.
In a general sense you are right. But the point here is not to compare two processors but to compare two similar machines at different price point.
Because if you upgrade them to the base M2 Pro. You're at $999.00 now.. Without all the other features the M2 Pro bus you for an extra $300.00.. It's no contest which to get. As the M2 Pro buys you way more for the money..
@@WizzRacing So you're saying the base M2 pro is better than the M2 with 512 SSD and 16 RAM upgrades? I'm almost certain I want the base M2 pro because of this but I'd really like to see a comparison in performance between those two before making any decisions. Edit: Typo
@@juanpablocervantes-gz9dt You're paying that extra cost for the CPU/GPU..The HD, Ram, 4 Type C ports and 244hz support..
So Performance will be based on if you need those. As most monitors today can support 244hz anyways. Which makes for better viewing..The 4 Types C ports are worth it. If you have to use a hub to support all your devices. that use type C connectors. Which is an extra cost if you had to buy one.
So cost is up to the buyer on what they need.
@@maiba02 Not if he is constant comparing and using processor performance tests.
Great video :) would be very interesting to see the differences between an M2 Mac Mini that has been upgraded to 16GB and 512GB. One other notable difference is that the HDMI port on the M2 Pro is HDMI 2.1 and on the M2 it is HDMI 2.0. This may be an important factor depending on use case
Great video ! Thanks !
I am glad you made the comment of the relative enclosure speed to internal. I have Mac and PC and many times I have pointed out how rediculous it is that on any machine you can have external speed that is quicker than the internal. I bought 3 enclosures and 3 2tb NVMEs to go with them and have 2 in a RAID 0 with one on its lonesome and it cost me £750. I know there are risks with the 0 but they are backed up every hour so hopefully I wouldn't lose that much and I have resolve auto back ups set. The speeds are over 4000 read and write which is slower than my macstudio but its more than fine and the stand alone is over 2500 which again, is more than fine (luckily for me my 24" ultrafine has a 2nd TB port otherwise this would be a struggle without a hub), so 6tb for less than half the price. But see what Apple have done to me, they have made me think that set up is a reasonable price as if that is the only option!!
Great video, thanks for helping me choose!
Excellent comparison video!
Very helpful video - and yes please, more Mini content: I'd love to see a similarly detailed comparison between the two M2 Pro versions, 10 and 12 core, especially in terms of whether the 12 core version will finally make the Mini's fan spin up if pushed long enough. Also, is the 1TB storage option faster than the 512GB one?
Noted!
Yes, according to Apple Podcast „bitsundso“ the M2 Pro with 1 TB SSD is faster than with base configuration 512 GB SSD.
@@paulhorn24 cheers!
Well done! This is truly an amazing video! Very well detailed and thorough comparison with actual technical test. I don't understand how it's possible that you don't get nearly the views and subscribers you deserve!
16:55 The on-screen tests in GFXBench (anything that doesn't have Offscreen written next to it) is limited by the display refresh rate. You were getting 60fps on both machines because the recording device they were plugged into was set to 60Hz. This test is primarily designed for smartphones and tablets, where the different display resolution makes a difference. For computers you are only supposed to use the offscreen test.
Thanks for that addition!
Thanks so much for including the power draw. Very eye opening and an important metric to include when looking at the performance between these chips.
Objective and informative comparison! Thank you!
My pleasure!
So if you don’t need extra thunderbolt with three displays then opt for m2 with 24gb ram instead of 16 or save 200.00 bottom line if the above is not needed. It’s a trade off. What do you need?
Love love love the intro, hoped you kept the streetfighter theme up throughout❤❤❤❤ I’m Mac mini and streetfighter fan ❤
So far the best review I've seen!
great stuff. Strange how M2 Pro draws so much more power and yet performs about the same in many tasks.
Really great review.
I'm planning on getting a base mini as a dedicated Docker Host hide in the closet, no keyboard/mouse, no display.
At idle, it already consumes less power (2W) than my mini ARM PC (4.7W).
Can you do a video testing power consumption of base mini running a few Docker containers (e.g. OpenWRT, HomeAssistant, NodeRED, MQTT...) without keyboard/mouse, without display?
What app do you for measuring the temperature?
Are you running configurations which populate both NAND slots on both machines?
Only the M2 Pro allows use of 3 monitors....I'm certain Apple didn't do that by accident or an oversight. For me, 3 monitors is a must...my current setup is with iMac Retina 4K, 21.5-inch, 2017, a 34" LG Ultrawide, and a LG 32" wide screen (LG's stock one on top the other). Then I have my old Mac from 2009 as a standalone (has music library and photos).
Its also HDMI 2.1 on the Pro.
Same here
Too many screens just to watch pormo
Is there a way to connect 2 Mac Minis base model to run in parallel?
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thunderbolt has to actively be converted to HDMI so it will draw power to do that. If you did thunderbolt to displayport you likely wouldn't see this additional power consumption.
Use external storage as OS/Boot Drive - Thunderbolt NVME - Can you test speed with that config ?
Thank you for the comprehensive test. I'd like to add that Apple have deliberately put in the lowest specs on the base M2 to keep the price low - IMO it's somewhat churlish to say "why didn't they put in more....." etc; if they did then they'd have to charge more . For some customers the base model at that price and spec is totally appropriate and for others they can order extra Ram / storage (albeit at high prices.) if they need that.
Cheers, Ross
Great! video by the way!
Love the video! I’m just curious of how an IPad Pro M2 would fare against a Mac mini M2 for video editing. Only because I got the IPad a few weeks ago lol
I saw your channel at 40k sub & stuck for long time but accidently found your channel now with 130k subscribers wow 🔥
Welcome back!
would u suggest m2 mac mini for music production?
Thanks for the content! Could you tell us what apps those are that you're using to view cpu, gpu & ram utilization in the menu bar? I've always wanted them to be displayed that way.
iStatistica Pro :)
neat intro! How did you make that?
Good review. You helped me a lot. Now I know what I should go for. The M2 definitely is the winner.
Love your videos ❤.
Graet video, I'm Italian and i'am a new subscriber
Excellent! I just need to know those. I booked a m2 basic, ssd 256g, ... but 24g ram(keep rooms for runs windows games for future),
Yes, please review Final Cut Pro on a MAC OS. With Davinci and Premiere Pro not really supporting ProRes RAW, non Apple users may (myself) want to know what is a good price point and requirements to edit ProRes RAW HQ in a MAC environment.
The temp is normal between 50 and 90 f according to tech specs on Apple’s website.
would you suggest getting the 24gb of ram?
M2 pro has more ports so you don't need to buy USB hub... M2 pro also came with HDMI 2.1... Has more GPU cores so better for Video Editing
Definitely want to see speeds for Final Cut Pro please!
Which one is better on weight?
Is there any way to get m1 or m2 to do distributed network computing.
For instance when rendering etc it can use the gpu and cpu cores media engine of both or more machines to improve performance instead of only each machine being limited by only what’s in it.
I like how we can raid ssds for more performance or duplicate for security.
Why bam we do it through thunderbolt usb 4 or Ethernet or 10g Ethernet.
Does the RAM double of you go Pro? If so then it’s worth it. I’ve done Apple silicon with 8GB and it’s was pretty bad. It gets very laggy if you do actual work on it. 8GB Apple silicon is just for web browsing.
Will Adobe illustrator and Photoshop will work smoothly on M2 Base model?
3:44 @theTechNotice How do I get to see the CPU, RAM, GPU usage in the menu bar?
Wow, awesome videoI literally just ordered and haven't received yet:
• Apple M2 Pro with 12 core CPU, 19-core GPU, 16 core Neural Engine
• 1TB SSD storage
• 10 Gigabit Ethernet
• Four Thunderbolt 4 ports, HDMI port, two USB A ports, headphone jack
• 32GB unified memory
It will be used not only for development but extensive use of windows vm (via Parallels), so power user for sure.
Thanks for the info and any advice would be much appreciated.
Regards
Marc
I bought the M2 base model, then I used USD 88 to get a WERO Thunderbolt 3/USB4 enclosure (JMS583A3+JHL7440 chipset) and USD 100 to buy a low-end GEIL P4L 2TB Nvme SSD (Gen 4). I can use the 2TB external SSD as the Boot Up disk. The Blackmagic test shows the the write speed of the GEIL 2TB SSD is about 2700MB/s. Very happy about the base model M2 with just USD 188 for upgrading to 2TB storage. Apple's upgrade option is just a rip-off.
I got mine today. M2 with 256SSD and 16GB RAM. External 1TB so everything is fine… my first Mac ever, just for video editing for my small channel. My Windows is for my music studio, so there is my money 😊
how do you like it? are you editing 4k footage?
I have a m2 macbook pro, the new mini, and a work macbook. They all seem to always be using at least 5.8 gigs of memory no matter how much memory I have. Maybe swapping back and forth with the ssd?
Any chance you can do a Logic Pro benchmark?
Would love to see a wall mounted, open case , wall mounted pc on a nice wooden slab, hidden wires behind the wooden slab, copper liquid cooling pipe work, an old whiskey bottle for a reservoir. Something rustic looking but also clean. So... when can we expect this build ? Lol
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12:13 this layout of stats is confusing, instead of putting computers in rows you put scenes and then the other columns I dont know what they are
cant wait for photoshop/lightroom performance test!
Fun to watch electrician at work on technology benchmarking job. fantastic.
Great comparison video. I'm looking for a media center to replace my old 2012 mini's. Looks like the base M2 w/16gb and external storage would work great. Only question if you know, would I be able to drive 4k-120Hz out of the thunderbolt 3 to HDMI converter? Thanks!
I would like to know the same :) Over HDMI it is just 60 Hz
Unfortunately apple limits by software M2 macs for HDMI 2.0 even going from TB. So 60hz at 4k it is. Only the M2 Pro have HDMI 2.1(with TB also) so i t would be possible. For me it kills the M2 potential.
Hello; I hope you are well, man
What is your suggestion for buying Mac Mini?
I am a graphic designer, and part of my work is 3D space, but not too heavy
Chip M2Pro or M1Pro?
Basic model or...
Thank you if you help me
awesome job :)
Hey, what's the app called you are using in the video to show cpu load etc. in the menu bar? Thanks in advance!! Great Video, made me buy the M2 Mac mini with 16gb of ram. :)
It's iStatistica, costs about 5 in APP store :)
I will wait 4 Mac mini M3.
Awesome test 👍
HDMI 2.1 is only in the Pro right?
Studio vs Mini? I am not sure which one to get
Did you swap your power sockets just to see whether they are not unfriendly to M2Pro
very detailed review ... i have a question.. do you think m2 16GB ram variant can handle 4k video editing in premiere pro without much issues ?
Well, let's see :)
Prores
How can the base model handle two displays with 6k and 5k with 60Hz and not one with 4K and 120Hz?
What utils were you running to show cpu, gpu usage, etc. on MacOS in the menu bar and in the video with what look like widgets? Good comparison review! I Have to decide if worth upgrading from my 2020 M1 16GB/512GB Mini to a M2 PRO or maybe the Studio or wait for M3 :)
Wait for m3 or m2 max or m2 ultra :)
Best Pc for Lightroom in windows? i have Ryzen 5 1600 and 2070 now.
Great video and I like the added wattage testing at the same time just to know how much it will cost to operate. I picked up the M2 base with 16GB. If you have a video on thunderbolt enclosures, that would be a help.
It's coming! :)
Power testing, not wattage.
Can anyone describe the thunderbolt to hdmi 2.1 cable....is this how one can connect a monitor or TV?
Nice video. I opted for a M2 Mac Mini with max ram (24 gb). Hope it serves me well.
After seen 50 Videos about M2.... This is for me the Best & True Video! THX
Wow, thanks!
is the 16gig ram version of the m2 pro worth the price difference between it and the m2 (not pro) with 16gigs? I don't care about hard drive speed/capacity.
But for audio production and video de M2 is not short?
Good comparison between the two. What I'm really interested in is a comparison between the M2 with 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD upgrades vs the base M2 Pro. I'm guessing that the results would be still be pretty similar to the results you got here, but would be nice to know for sure.
Same! Looking for this comparison everywhere 😅
Yeah, and the difference, once upgraded, is 300. Personally, if i was going for the ssd upgrade and ram upgrade, I think the m2 pro might be worth it.
This assumes that the m2 pro has TWO nand chips for ram, which I'm guessing it does, given the benchmarks.
@@batmanonabike3119 I heard mac mini m2 pro 512gb doesnt have 2 nand chips and you should increase ssd in order. Really I would like to have full information about nand chips in all configurations of this computer. Im gonna buy it
@BiLLie WiLLie well, that doesn't explain the ssd benchmarks, not that I'm discounting you. Do you have a link?
@@batmanonabike3119 You can look for the SSD speed of a 512GB M1 Pro. It's around 5GB/s. On M2 Pro you have to upgrade to 1TB to get that speed.
Can we see some After Effects and Resolve tests/benchmarks?
Complete newbie to Apple. I use Adobe Photoshop and Lightroom. Would the M2 be a good choice for this with your suggested upgrade? Thank you📷
Yeah
Hey hi…… I might pick up an external drive 2TB and tb4 enclosure, what would you recommend please?
Wait for the video guide :)
mac mini m2 pro 16 gb 1 tb
mac mini m2 24 gb 1 tb
which is better for final cut pro editing please suggest me asap.
Thank you. 😃 Thank you. 😃 Thank you. 😃
I’m trying to put together a music recording workstation. I’m leaning towards the regular M2 chip, 16 gigs of RAM, and 512 SSD.
Yep :)
Love your work! This excellent review was cute and had to be done. But now will you please do an in-depth review on the ProArt Z790-CREATOR WIFI board for professionals? Is it stable with 128 Gigs of RAM as the 13900k has stability issues at 128 Gig of RAM; does this board's new ram control tech solve this issue? Many serious VFX professionals and motion designers need 128 GIGs of ram, especially for After Effects. Example: Can we get stability on 128 gigs of ram if we lower the speed and turn off some of the silly over clock marketing ram features that make 0.0000001% speed difference in real world professional usage? Thank you! YOU SIR, ROCK!
👍thank
You have to also keep in mind, that you can NEVER EVER upgrade this hardware again.
So what is your average usage time of a computer? 8 years? Since 2010 the computers got good enough for the average user to never need another one. I still use a 2014 Mac Mini and a 2007 MacBook Pro. My values would be:
- At least 16G RAM (8G was good 10 years ago). Better more (you can't upgrade, so 24G/32G).
- Disk size I find 1T SSD is enough for most people (but you can't upgrade: so 2T). But I also have a external NAS for backup and backup needs time.
- 10G Ethernet for 100$ is great and is future proof and you can't upgrade.
If you want more disk that 2T you do video stuff or raw photography and you better have a good backup plan to not lose more than you can afford.
Because if the mini fails you loose all data. And the mini can't be easy repaired.
In case of a failed mini, Apple will only replace the complete motherboard and all your data is lost. And that may even be a repaired board from somewhere else. You will never know.
More SSD size on such a system that doesn't allow you upgrade/replace anything is dangerous and useless for doing RAID 1 like mirroring. Even if it's possible it makes no sense if you can't replace a failed mirror. You need an external NAS for backup or risk losing everything.
Sir i think you have put wrong scores of m1 ultra geekbench 5 multicore.
It should be very high but you put same as m2 pro
Someone shuold create an enclosure for multiple NVME with the same shape and size of the M2 Mac mini so it would look good when place at the top of the Mac Mini.
Running 95degrees day in day out (rendering), will that shorten the life of the chip considering everything that matters is on that SoC?
The dongle on the M2 should also draw some wattage.
When all your current programs (and those within the foreseeable future) will fit **easily** on the 256GB internal SSD, you can **move** your entire Mac's Home folder to an external SSD. Then, from its new location, synchronise your entire Home folder (or parts of it) to a cloud service **at regular intervals** .
And do not forget to make a new **additional** user account on the **internal SSD** before you start. So that you can always log in to your Mac without the external SSD attached, or in case the external SSD gets faulty.
What about music production. Any advice on which machine to choose. Thanks.
At least 16GB of RAM and double the base storage :)
@@theTechNotice Got it. M2 Mac Mini or M2 Pro Mac Mini.
M2 Pro SSD 2TB Speed ist 5300.
Overall power consumption in surf-mode M2 Pro constantly lower as M2, like about 50% less (4 weeks measurement).
I am worried about different aspect - how fast should I upgrade M2 or M2 Pro? I suppose if I get M2 Pro, I will have a few more years before an upgrade will be really needed.
Yes, I am looking to M2 24ram,1TB vs M2 Pro 32ram,1TB now it's ~70000 yen difference in Japan.
The good thing with these is you probably have 5+ years with them. Only really need to upgrade when your workflow requires it. M2 Pro would probably give you longer usage with your workflows.
The basic m2 does not seem worth it once you upgrade the ssd and ram. Its only an extra 300 at that point for the m2 pro.
I would definitely go with the pro if I considered longevity and I had the budget for it.
How can it be that fans @1700rpm are silent?
You just have to try a 4K timeline, with clips of Arri Raw, with a node with node reduction on BETTER and, 50% both , and a grain . if you can play on real time, is a perfect machine. this number are cool but in the working camp is nothing
When you upgrade the M2 to make it equivalent to the M2 Pro (so both have 512GB SSD and 16GB RAM) the price difference becomes much smaller, and there is a strong case for the M2 Pro base model.
That's what I'm thinking. It becomes a matter of do you want better silicon with more cpu and gpu power or more ram
You’ve got fashist flag in your nik. I can only hope it’s by mistake.
I just got the base Mini M2 pro after tons of TH-cam reviews and consideration. As you said the difference is worth the upgrade to the Pro. It's a desktop setup, I don't mind to pay a bit more for additional features (three monitors set up and another 2 thunderbolt 4 ports) and cores. My set up now with 3 monitors and it runs very smoothly. Happy with the Mini Pro M2!
@@juanpablocervantes-gz9dt Both. and more ports . Hence my preference for the M2 Pro TB / 16GB. Maybe 24GB for future proofing.
That’s the Apple way.
Very good video, thank you! But even after watching it and many others, I still can't choose my Mac Mini. I do professional photo (Lightroom, Photoshop), home studio (Logic Pro + a lot of instruments and sample banks), and 4K video, especially timelapse (Final Cut Pro, LRTimelapse, quickly some After Effects). I have the budget either for a Mac Mini M2 with 24 GB of RAM and 1 TB of SSD, or for the Mac Mini M2 Pro with 16 GB of RAM and 1 TB SSD. What do you advise me? Thank you.
I'm in the same budget situation. I work with Adobe's After Effects, Photoshop, Illustrator and premiere. Also want to learn 3D Motion design. My current setup is the base 2015 MBP (8 GB RAM / 128 SSD / INTEL I7 And I'm sure either would be a hell of an upgrade for me, but I want to be sure if it's worth investing in silicon or RAM basically. Let me know what you decide.
@@juanpablocervantes-gz9dt Maybe I will take the M2 Pro 16 GB RAM.
Please test davinci on the m2 ,, thanks :)
more m2 content for premiere users please
I use DaVinci resolve. Could you please run a comparison between the M2 and M2 Pro
let's do it!
How silent is the M2 Pro Mac Mini? Can you capture the fan noise with a microphone?
It's completely silent
So is the 24Gb M2 mac mini good enough for basic 4K editing with light colour grading with few animations????
yes, but depends on your definition of 'light' :)
I think the M2 Pro is better for music production