It’s been almost two years and not once have I learned anything from this judges so called 50 experience. Other than, 50 years of rudeness, 50 years of short temperedness, 50 years of unprofessionalism, 50 years of disrespect, 50 years of manipulation, 50 years experience of being biased, 50 years experience of corruption. His 50 years means absolute nothing if this is how he conducted all his cases!!!
The police officer that "Ramosepidi" said he made a statement saying he witnessed "Manganye" doing his work, when did they say he made the statement? Because if the statement was made in 2014, then I don't see any reason why that officer would make things up, meaning "Manganye" is lying. If the statement was made recently, then I would have second thoughts about it. Much like all the current state witnesses making recent statements, only to later make more changes when things aren't going their way
But I can see Ratha is starting to see the cooking here. Col. Mangena said he did not pick anything from the crime scene, but there is another witness said he took some exhibits. That alone is making his investigation very porous.
@AugustineKasivila Ratha is ready for sentencing he knows now and has enough evidence and writes different versions tailored by the accused in light of new findings as the case proceeds
And his funny laughter was just an act of embarassment😂😅! These liers are exposed evry now & then but obviuosly the biased judg wil alway accept their LiES!
@user-ev1zg5ty6g if you go look at the videos after the incident, you'd see Longwe walking kamnandi not limping and no any other blood was found in the house besides igazi like Senzo. So these allegations have to be substantiated by evidence until then, it's just lies .The truth is Kelly hired these guys to kill senzo .Allegedly
Yes it is, yet the reason why I referred to Oscar's case was simply the interest that the judge took into the ballistics evidence. The question around the position of the toilet door in relation to the bedroom. The quantity of safety when he is on prosthetics and when he is not on prosthetics.
Lol, I'm glad you understand 😂😂😂and these are the right people ,but law had to be followed, but they know deep down that they killed Senzo even Ntanzi is no longer smiling he looks like a real nkabi now .Mngo /mshololo slid in 375 in order to save their clients,but 375 is all hearsay from head to toe.Allegedly
I interpret that laugh as a signal to the advocate that the line of questioning is either unconvincing or irrelevant in the judge's view. It suggests that the advocate being addressed should perhaps reconsider their approach or attitude.
Today I am convinced that Mangena is lying. Yesterday when asked about the gun license he didn't know whose it was. Today he "was not surprised when they brought Chico Twala's gun because there were allegations." Which clearly shows he knew the owner of the gun.
@@gladysmkhize4085 maybe according to many people as you say. But I didn't say anything about the hitmen. What I am saying is about the evidence of the witness currently in the stand and his evidence straight from his own mouth. Are you disputing what I am saying that he lied?
I just don't understand the level of disrespect that the judge has for the defense lawyers, like he literally shuts them out, like he did to Ramusepere😮
So what Mr. Ratha must we follow your mindset now, just so we can surrender to the evidence of the state? You can quote so many cases who presided on during your Apartheid days, you are not helping us, but you are disturbing the cross examination, yet you do not do that when Baloying is leading the witness's evidence in chief. Kahle kahle, you are really not helping. At some point you had to be asked by Adv Mshololo if she cannot be disturbed as you are also disturbing her line of questioning and flow of thoughts and ideas, wavele waswacwa kwamnyama ebusweni benkawu.
@lindabenedictmdlalose8530 finally I get someone one the same wavelength. These 5 accused will get sentenced no matter how much noise their attorney makes and vele they are are guilty bona vele.Allegedly
@@chad4898 The judge also sharply reprimands Baloyi whenever Baloyi steps out of line, prompting Baloyi to quickly fall back in place. Meanwhile, the defense often continues naively, risking the consequences of their actions.
@@gladysmkhize4085 nah Gladys if you check this case clearly, the cover up was done and they didn't think this case will end up where it is today. the case is no longer about finding justice but police trying to hide their corruption.
@musabaloyi7776 Three people from the 7 knew what was planned against senzo .He was leaving with his friends and kelly pulled him back to go say goodbye to her mom .She further delayed them until Nkabis arrived. Mthoko and Tumelo blamed Longwe for pushing the nkabi which resulted in scuffle but there was only one casualty and it was all a script from Kelly he told nkabis what was going to happen and only Senzo must die .Kelly organized these 5 nkabis to kill Senzo .Allegedly
For the Longwe-shot-Senzo version to hold, Mngo must agree that the weapon was a 9mm, not a .38 Special, and accept there were no intruders, implying someone picked up the 9mm cartridges. Yet, he also cites witnesses who claim it was a .38 Special, contradicting the Longwe version. Mngo seems uncertain which narrative to support, and it will be interesting to see which version aligns with the other defence advocates' strategies.
Adv Mngomezulu has dealt with issue of 9mm by asking if the bullet cartridge stacked inside a gun, can that gun fire another bullet and the answer there were NO therefore only revover can shoot all rounds while the empty cartridges are still inside a cylinder and left only bullet heads while going away with cartridges. He is heading towards the correct direction as am listening.
@@kingphoka-uf5tk Your conclusion is less plausible. Mgo stated that he will present a witness who would testify that Longwe shot himself and was attended to by medics. This testimony aligns with the use of the 9mm, not the .38 revolver. Considering this, someone will need to explain how the cartridges vanished, as they were not recovered by the LCRC's evidence collectors. Secondly, that aligns with the idea that there were no intruders.
It's clear that this judge will stand by Mangena's "findings "....he won't accept the defence expert findings....he will not have anything but Mangena's results. 😮😮😮😮
Sadly it will be nothing new. It has been like that with every state witness. If he feels the witness messed he has always jumped in to add things to make them seem credible and answering questions for them. How many times have we heard him say: "According to this witness..."?
@nkanyisontuli714 yeah ...the behavior of the judge is so irritating, l wonder what that body called THE JUDICIAL SERVICES COMMISSION is thinking of this runaway judge .
@@thandicindi6413 the trick they played on us was bringing a retired judge. He doesn't care what he does anymore becuase what disciplinary action can they take against him?
@@nkanyisontuli714he is brilliant I remember how the defence broke Maumela,but this judge is invincible like you can't catch him out on anything even when jumping into the arena he quotes the law R Vs hepworth 😅
Rams is making a strong effort to convey his point, but he rushes through some aspects, leaving the court behind. He needs to proceed with his cross-examination step by step. He might be onto something, but he needs to give himself the time to fully develop his argument. The objective being thst of trying to confuse the judge, not really about disproving Mangena's report.
This case is gon take forever shuuu! All the people that were in the Khumalo house are like this 🙈🙉🙊🙆♀️ Senzo o bolaile ke mang and a mmolaya ka eng? 9mm or 38 revolver
Forensic ballistics is grounded in science, meaning that the results of a study are reproducible regardless of who conducts it. Consequently, the objective aspects of the study are typically beyond dispute. The subjective elements are minimal and can vary between individuals. I find it difficult to understand the attitude of the defence to Mangena.
A witness saw mangena taking a bullet from the damaged door frame... It makes sense because Mthethwa who arrived first in the scene did not see any bullet. It was stuck in the door...
Please next adv to cross examine mangena, must tell mangena that he is lying he told the court that he is the 1 who saw the damage on the tile but the statement of captain Bentley says something the damaged was seen by other police officer bfr mangena arrived
So the Judge brought up that people are taught by different people when the Defense Expert was passing a note to Adv. Ramosepele. I can promise you, he's gonna discredit the Defense Expert by all means
The judge is right. The scientific aspects of forensic ballistics remain consistent when taught by accredited entities, as these are objective tools. However, the subjective elements may vary depending on who is teaching it.
The defence expert arrived to the same conclusion as Mangena😂,but for the money they paid the defence expert still needs to give the defence immunity to cast doubt in Mangena's findings mara deep down bayaz.Allegedly
@@chad4898 There is still much progress to be made by the state in proving the guilt of the accused. So far, no one has been proven to be holding a smoking gun!
Cnl. Mangena was the state's ballistic expert in the Oscar Pistorius case which saw him being sent to prison for a very long time. Undermine him at your own risk.
Naaa remember he was useles in that case . Oscar only got 1 year sentence in Prison Barry Roux chewed his testimony😂😂😂😂😂 oscar was only sentenced to more years after the NPA appealed and then Oscar had a different legal team which wasn’t Barry Roux
However, some analysts believed the defense raised enough doubt to support a lesser charge, which initially resulted in the conviction of culpable homicide before it was overturned on appeal.
You are getting it wrong.In Oscar's case the question was whether Oscar fired the bullet knowing that the person inside the bathroom was River.Osca was saying he thot it was an intruder.According to Osca.Riva was sleeping.Judge Masipa agreed with osca .The SCA did not agree with 5his nonsence and gave Osca 6 more year.
rich where? Can't u see that's exactly what this scammers are trying to block. I once came across a case of Mafifi vs State around early 2000s years it's a Pretoria High Court case "same building we are watching here" in that case the late Judge Els as he was. He said state has no money to get Mafifi a kidney transplant, therefore he should go to prison and die there. After he was mistakenly shot by police. 😢
Our judge must stop interfering it looks like he has no confidence towards his team of advocates but infavour of high profile crooks something is well hidden in this case we can all see baloyi knows something and he also must stop correcting and interfering during cross examination so that we can see and learn the truth about senzo as too what happened why was he killed and the reason 😭😡
3 confessions made + pointing out .We know exactly who killed senzo as a nation,for what reason ,who sent them ,but we don't want to admit it.We are stuck in choosing sides between 2014 as 636 or 2019 cas 375 and the defence is defending their case using 375 .Yolanda ,Nthabiseng saw intruders exiting the house after gunshots were heard so 375 doesn't hold water when the king of 375 says they were ni intruders but eye witnesses saw intruders there were able to describe running out of the house 😮.Allegedly
3.8 special is a small revolver gun 9mm pistol is bigger and more powerful than 3.8 special, therefore they can't do similar damages on the body apparently to kill a person.
Ratha is the one derailing this trial. He is continuously interrpting proceedings and putting up explainations that have no basis. Pls let the expert explain his way out, do not put wrong words in his mouth. You are now confusing everyone.
@@ThembalihleMariaMkhize-yd7zqsomething serious happened here, we should remember that senzo has a daughter with Kelly and chicco produced and recorded music for Kelly 🤔 on the other side longwe masters the made and colours of zandi penties 😳 who else do the same to Kelly and have a beef with senzo 🙆🏿
@@Adjudicator246 he’s pulling the same stunt that he pulled when the DNA expert said he couldn’t read any of the accused DNA on the crime scene. Now he’s trying to debunk the defence’s ballistic expert findings cause he’s findings go against Mangena’s foolishness 🤡
It’s been almost two years and not once have I learned anything from this judges so called 50 experience. Other than, 50 years of rudeness, 50 years of short temperedness, 50 years of unprofessionalism, 50 years of disrespect, 50 years of manipulation, 50 years experience of being biased, 50 years experience of corruption. His 50 years means absolute nothing if this is how he conducted all his cases!!!
Only 50 years of manupulation through quoting ancient /apartheid case laws
Well said
Can someone please tell this judge to keep quiet he's not an expect in ballistic nxahh sis this judge is full of nonsense Mos
R vs hepworth 😂😂😂
That's my grandfather 👴 please stop it😂😂😂😂😊
The police officer that "Ramosepidi" said he made a statement saying he witnessed "Manganye" doing his work, when did they say he made the statement? Because if the statement was made in 2014, then I don't see any reason why that officer would make things up, meaning "Manganye" is lying. If the statement was made recently, then I would have second thoughts about it. Much like all the current state witnesses making recent statements, only to later make more changes when things aren't going their way
And their BiASED judg accepting all their fabricationz,allegedly
But I can see Ratha is starting to see the cooking here. Col. Mangena said he did not pick anything from the crime scene, but there is another witness said he took some exhibits. That alone is making his investigation very porous.
😂😂
@AugustineKasivila Ratha is ready for sentencing he knows now and has enough evidence and writes different versions tailored by the accused in light of new findings as the case proceeds
And his funny laughter was just an act of embarassment😂😅! These liers are exposed evry now & then but obviuosly the biased judg wil alway accept their LiES!
Mhlahlo found leyo Exhibit emvakwe jar😂
So Longwe left the house but they called his father after Senzo was shot for what reason though?
To bring the balance in cash to pay off the 5 nkabis for a job well done planned by Kelly .That's was when Senzo was declared dead .Allegedly
@@Sqhamuka_Jozi_NkomaneAmanga lawo they was want to let him know that his son longwe has shot senzo
Thats Blacklabel@Sqhamuka_Jozi_Nkomane
@user-ev1zg5ty6g if you go look at the videos after the incident, you'd see Longwe walking kamnandi not limping and no any other blood was found in the house besides igazi like Senzo. So these allegations have to be substantiated by evidence until then, it's just lies .The truth is Kelly hired these guys to kill senzo .Allegedly
@baloyicraig339 lol you wana buy black label🤣🤣🤣🤣
This case is very complicated...I feel for everyone who is involved, the state and defense...even the judge shame.
I also think this case is far more complex than Oscar's one.
Yes it is, yet the reason why I referred to Oscar's case was simply the interest that the judge took into the ballistics evidence. The question around the position of the toilet door in relation to the bedroom. The quantity of safety when he is on prosthetics and when he is not on prosthetics.
Not at all my friend. If they can bring the doctor who treated Longwe then it's game over for state.
That devilish laugh from the judge after being put in his place by Ramasepele is almost like saying, " Go on, but my judgment is ready"
It was a devilish laughter indeed
Lol, I'm glad you understand 😂😂😂and these are the right people ,but law had to be followed, but they know deep down that they killed Senzo even Ntanzi is no longer smiling he looks like a real nkabi now .Mngo /mshololo slid in 375 in order to save their clients,but 375 is all hearsay from head to toe.Allegedly
I interpret that laugh as a signal to the advocate that the line of questioning is either unconvincing or irrelevant in the judge's view. It suggests that the advocate being addressed should perhaps reconsider their approach or attitude.
Exactly, this judge already has a judgement written and stashed somewhere in his locker. He is just awaiting all protocols.
Today I am convinced that Mangena is lying. Yesterday when asked about the gun license he didn't know whose it was. Today he "was not surprised when they brought Chico Twala's gun because there were allegations." Which clearly shows he knew the owner of the gun.
According to many ppl everyone is lying except the hit men wow
@@gladysmkhize4085 state witnesses don't make sense at all even a person who is not an investigating office can tell that this case is cooked.
@@gladysmkhize4085 and according to you state witnesses are not lying... wow. Go and drink a monster drink maybe you will wake up energized 😂😂😂😂😂
@@gladysmkhize4085 maybe according to many people as you say. But I didn't say anything about the hitmen. What I am saying is about the evidence of the witness currently in the stand and his evidence straight from his own mouth. Are you disputing what I am saying that he lied?
His inconsistency and inability to read English is alarming.... for a Colonel 😂
Dr Modise will come and testify too
Why they want to know that witness ijoo if they'll know that witness it's over about this case and that witness is our last hope on this case
The biggest problem in this case is the judge. He does not listen.
😂😂😂
I just don't understand the level of disrespect that the judge has for the defense lawyers, like he literally shuts them out, like he did to Ramusepere😮
What I don't understand is the level of impatience from the judge
Even worse Chicco was seen at hospital and no one knows the reason why he went there because he was not a friend of Senzo
Remember he was Kelly 's manager,he was there to support his musician.
@@godfreymonama4833he was there to see his son's job
@@godfreymonama4833😳
There is no smoke without fire 🤞
So what Mr. Ratha must we follow your mindset now, just so we can surrender to the evidence of the state? You can quote so many cases who presided on during your Apartheid days, you are not helping us, but you are disturbing the cross examination, yet you do not do that when Baloying is leading the witness's evidence in chief. Kahle kahle, you are really not helping. At some point you had to be asked by Adv Mshololo if she cannot be disturbed as you are also disturbing her line of questioning and flow of thoughts and ideas, wavele waswacwa kwamnyama ebusweni benkawu.
@lindabenedictmdlalose8530 finally I get someone one the same wavelength. These 5 accused will get sentenced no matter how much noise their attorney makes and vele they are are guilty bona vele.Allegedly
🙆♂️ warrant Makhubo please take extra care because your name today is exposing fabrications in Senzo Meyiwa case
Who told them that 2 bullets were shot. Becwuse the people in the house said 3 bullets were shot
JUDGE LOOKS FOR AND USES CASE LAW THAT MADE MISTAKES IN THE PAST TO JUSTIFY INJUSTICE IN THE FUTURE
One of the ways in which the law evolves is by case law. Mistakes in the past are corrected by appeal or review.
And to show his biasnes,, he alway use those stupid case laws against defens,,
He HAS NEVER used evin 1 case law of such against Baloi
@@chad4898 The judge also sharply reprimands Baloyi whenever Baloyi steps out of line, prompting Baloyi to quickly fall back in place. Meanwhile, the defense often continues naively, risking the consequences of their actions.
@@chad4898 How is case law stupid?!
I had respect for this man when he was giving evidence on the oscar trail.....now it is obvious the man has accepted the brown envelope. #corruption
Brown envelope from who? Who is paying all these ppl he is a billioner
@@gladysmkhize4085 yeah sure, we talking about high profile people who are involved in this case... crime scene evidence has been compromised.
@@gladysmkhize4085 nah Gladys if you check this case clearly, the cover up was done and they didn't think this case will end up where it is today.
the case is no longer about finding justice but police trying to hide their corruption.
In oscar pistorious case, he was a captain but now he is a colonel. Most police in senzo meyiwa were promoted to the higher ranks.
You will doubt anybody who testifys for the state
This ballistic report is just an opinion... Any expert can come to a different conclusion...
Cry more 😂😂😂😂
You correct
Correct me ratha is a state witness now, he is giving evidence in Chief🤔
Very true, that oldman has been planted there by purpose,,,like mhlahlos planted bullet head,allegedly
Wa irritator lo ma lord. So impatient and rushing because he always wants to be seen as the guy who knows it all. Ayi Sir man give the expert a chance
So if accuse no3 was in Jhb at the time of shooting, who then used this gun?
Maybe his phone as with the girlfriend since he was doing a huge job. He did not want yo be disturbed
@@NtombikayiseDanisaspeculation lol
Which gun ??because Longwe had a gun but police planted their own bullet..it's been said.
@@NtombikayiseDanisa izithombe ababezishutha nge phone yayibashutha kanjan isentombini yakhe???
@@thusoramakobya7054 uyagula Malawi maspeculations akhe are mad
Nthabiseng said there were 3 shots fired vele
All the ppl in the house cited three shots fired not two
I cant wait for the defense case
We here because if one person called Longwe phara twala what is special about him jail him
I dnt think Soo, de people who were in de house are de problem here if they could have said longwe killed Senzo we shouldn't b here
@musabaloyi7776 Three people from the 7 knew what was planned against senzo .He was leaving with his friends and kelly pulled him back to go say goodbye to her mom .She further delayed them until Nkabis arrived. Mthoko and Tumelo blamed Longwe for pushing the nkabi which resulted in scuffle but there was only one casualty and it was all a script from Kelly he told nkabis what was going to happen and only Senzo must die .Kelly organized these 5 nkabis to kill Senzo .Allegedly
Adjourn for 2 weeks or forever 😢😢😢😢😢😢cry the beloved SA
For the Longwe-shot-Senzo version to hold, Mngo must agree that the weapon was a 9mm, not a .38 Special, and accept there were no intruders, implying someone picked up the 9mm cartridges. Yet, he also cites witnesses who claim it was a .38 Special, contradicting the Longwe version. Mngo seems uncertain which narrative to support, and it will be interesting to see which version aligns with the other defence advocates' strategies.
Seems like you have inside infor
@Confused-yv6jz just simple logic based on what is recorded in court. There is nothing magical about this observation.
What is the state narrative as per the charge sheet 🤔 🙄
Adv Mngomezulu has dealt with issue of 9mm by asking if the bullet cartridge stacked inside a gun, can that gun fire another bullet and the answer there were NO therefore only revover can shoot all rounds while the empty cartridges are still inside a cylinder and left only bullet heads while going away with cartridges. He is heading towards the correct direction as am listening.
@@kingphoka-uf5tk Your conclusion is less plausible. Mgo stated that he will present a witness who would testify that Longwe shot himself and was attended to by medics. This testimony aligns with the use of the 9mm, not the .38 revolver. Considering this, someone will need to explain how the cartridges vanished, as they were not recovered by the LCRC's evidence collectors. Secondly, that aligns with the idea that there were no intruders.
Aaaaaa this Judge, 😢😢😢😢 i really feel for these 5 guys
Indeed there is no smoke without fire🗣📢🔊🆙️le 78 is always jumping the gun and its annoying o itirile pheke mo banêng ha swabe a le motona
😂😂😂😂😂 pheke neee 😂😂😂😂😂 ka Sesotho pheke ke ntja ya monna "e tona or male" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@kingphoka-uf5tk hahaha le rona ke yone ka setswana sa botswana hahahaha
Who is this gentleman sitting between Ramosipedi nd Mnisi.Lawyer?
Day 87 in court and no sign for solution.
Kushukuthi kade bedutshulwa abantu kuleyandlu lezinhlamvu ezatholakala kwakushaywa abanye not usenzo ngoba yena washaywange 38
This guy he defending he forget that he is ballistic expert not an IO himself
It's clear that this judge will stand by Mangena's "findings "....he won't accept the defence expert findings....he will not have anything but Mangena's results. 😮😮😮😮
Sadly it will be nothing new. It has been like that with every state witness. If he feels the witness messed he has always jumped in to add things to make them seem credible and answering questions for them. How many times have we heard him say: "According to this witness..."?
@nkanyisontuli714 yeah ...the behavior of the judge is so irritating, l wonder what that body called THE JUDICIAL SERVICES COMMISSION is thinking of this runaway judge .
@@teyazmy question exactly. Is he above the law? How is it that no one is able to stop this judge ‘carry on!’ ?
@@thandicindi6413 the trick they played on us was bringing a retired judge. He doesn't care what he does anymore becuase what disciplinary action can they take against him?
@@nkanyisontuli714he is brilliant I remember how the defence broke Maumela,but this judge is invincible like you can't catch him out on anything even when jumping into the arena he quotes the law R Vs hepworth 😅
The behavior of the judge says it all tha S.A is a lawless country he knows nothing will happen to him
😂😂😂😂...Y u didn't tyk de foto as u wer present...Aaaooowwww Madodaaa...
Correct me ratha is a state witness now? and is giving evidence in chief🤔
Where is advocate Mshololo kante
doing exactly what Adv Mngomezulu were doing "own investigations"
busy representing other innocent framed individuals
But the question is when did they collect the gun of accuse no 3
This judge mara
He is so biased .😢
Why this expert chose to speak this language 😢😢😢😢😢
Ratha uyadina hle
Rams is making a strong effort to convey his point, but he rushes through some aspects, leaving the court behind. He needs to proceed with his cross-examination step by step. He might be onto something, but he needs to give himself the time to fully develop his argument. The objective being thst of trying to confuse the judge, not really about disproving Mangena's report.
Judge / witness he’s annoying me this old man when he’s saying I know I know mr know Ratha Mogokleng witness rude I can’t stand him
This Colonel is defending what the defense is trying to prove instead of bringing his evidence and dissappear in court, Ginyinja will answer the rest
Ziyakhala manje. 😅
😂😂😂😂 eeee ibulete lesithathu aliphume 😂😂😂😂😂 x-repo to Baloyi and crew
Ratha, shame on you.
This case is gon take forever shuuu! All the people that were in the Khumalo house are like this 🙈🙉🙊🙆♀️ Senzo o bolaile ke mang and a mmolaya ka eng? 9mm or 38 revolver
Baloyi and crew sikhathele yina amanga
Chicco's gun was examined but Longwe was not arrested
then Dimpho a question is WHY
All people was there they no what happened in house
Defence counsel lacking basics but i believe adter this trial they will thank judge Ratha for the education he gave them
How many fire arms Chico owning?
Aybo Ratha wants to know the identity of witness before he takes the stand 😂😂😂so they could approach him and turn him
Forensic ballistics is grounded in science, meaning that the results of a study are reproducible regardless of who conducts it. Consequently, the objective aspects of the study are typically beyond dispute. The subjective elements are minimal and can vary between individuals. I find it difficult to understand the attitude of the defence to Mangena.
Col Mangena is an expert beyond doubt. All high profile cases across the contintent he has conducted resulted in conviction
How many cases has he conducted in Angola
dont lie on the Oscar Pistorius case his evidence was thrown out by Judge Masipa, go watch again.
Even if he did which we know but with this one case... he has made a blunder to collude with the state and team gininda
So he just waste his hard work with cooked evidence instead of growing it waii
@@jejeyaqub😂😂😂😂😅😅 and Burundi😂😂😂😂
Ratha what do you want kahle kahle
Judge Fakazile
Why can’t the alleged firearm that kill Senzo be used in testing what ballistics are trying to prove?🤷♀️
Judge libala go and do your homework again
A witness saw mangena taking a bullet from the damaged door frame... It makes sense because Mthethwa who arrived first in the scene did not see any bullet. It was stuck in the door...
But he said he didnt take anything from the crime scene.
Please next adv to cross examine mangena, must tell mangena that he is lying he told the court that he is the 1 who saw the damage on the tile but the statement of captain Bentley says something the damaged was seen by other police officer bfr mangena arrived
@@AugustineKasivilaHE S LYING BIG TIME, a warrant officer SAW HIM😂😂😂😂,
I bet he will also tell th court who took photos of that bullet,,,
To be honest I like Ramosepele’s style ..👌🏽not this wind blown kinda approaches
So the Judge brought up that people are taught by different people when the Defense Expert was passing a note to Adv. Ramosepele. I can promise you, he's gonna discredit the Defense Expert by all means
The judge is right. The scientific aspects of forensic ballistics remain consistent when taught by accredited entities, as these are objective tools. However, the subjective elements may vary depending on who is teaching it.
The defence expert arrived to the same conclusion as Mangena😂,but for the money they paid the defence expert still needs to give the defence immunity to cast doubt in Mangena's findings mara deep down bayaz.Allegedly
@Sqhamuka_Jozi_Nkomane that is very true. The idea is to cast as much doubt as possible.
😅😅😅😅😅but he knows his verdict doesnt hold any water,, th SCA gonna embarass him,,,,state hasnt prooved their case beyond any reasonable DOUBT!
@@chad4898 There is still much progress to be made by the state in proving the guilt of the accused. So far, no one has been proven to be holding a smoking gun!
Cornell Mangena I salute you
baboshwa abantu even baloi cant say anything on tht
Ziyakhala manje Longwe
Cnl. Mangena was the state's ballistic expert in the Oscar Pistorius case which saw him being sent to prison for a very long time. Undermine him at your own risk.
Naaa remember he was useles in that case . Oscar only got 1 year sentence in Prison Barry Roux chewed his testimony😂😂😂😂😂
oscar was only sentenced to more years after the NPA appealed and then Oscar had a different legal team which wasn’t Barry Roux
However, some analysts believed the defense raised enough doubt to support a lesser charge, which initially resulted in the conviction of culpable homicide before it was overturned on appeal.
It wasnt ths complex..
Oscar case was simple coz there was no cooking, the gun used was not in despute,
You are getting it wrong.In Oscar's case the question was whether Oscar fired the bullet knowing that the person inside the bathroom was River.Osca was saying he thot it was an intruder.According to Osca.Riva was sleeping.Judge Masipa agreed with osca .The SCA did not agree with 5his nonsence and gave Osca 6 more year.
Jonas nedrama boo😅
his also weary to interpret this long maaka
After this case is completly done the five accussed will be rich n the defense team will retire very rich also
rich where? Can't u see that's exactly what this scammers are trying to block. I once came across a case of Mafifi vs State around early 2000s years it's a Pretoria High Court case "same building we are watching here" in that case the late Judge Els as he was. He said state has no money to get Mafifi a kidney transplant, therefore he should go to prison and die there. After he was mistakenly shot by police. 😢
Our judge must stop interfering it looks like he has no confidence towards his team of advocates but infavour of high profile crooks something is well hidden in this case we can all see baloyi knows something and he also must stop correcting and interfering during cross examination so that we can see and learn the truth about senzo as too what happened why was he killed and the reason 😭😡
3 confessions made + pointing out .We know exactly who killed senzo as a nation,for what reason ,who sent them ,but we don't want to admit it.We are stuck in choosing sides between 2014 as 636 or 2019 cas 375 and the defence is defending their case using 375 .Yolanda ,Nthabiseng saw intruders exiting the house after gunshots were heard so 375 doesn't hold water when the king of 375 says they were ni intruders but eye witnesses saw intruders there were able to describe running out of the house 😮.Allegedly
@@Sqhamuka_Jozi_Nkomaneso why ddnt they CALL th police???
38 bullet and 9mm bullet if enters the body are there holes the same ?
3.8 special is a small revolver gun
9mm pistol is bigger and more powerful than 3.8 special, therefore they can't do similar damages on the body apparently to kill a person.
they both do holes that are not the same, since the bullets are not same size.
Defense Ballistic expect is loadimh
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Sonke leskhathi besazi ukuthi kwasetshenziswa i 38 special ....manje sekuthiwa i 9mm pistol kusekude lakuyiwa khona
judge Ratha ,is He the judge state-defence witness an expert or what bathong 🙉🙉 I smell something about Ratha?
Dud chico had one gun
Ratha is impartial
Ratha is the one derailing this trial. He is continuously interrpting proceedings and putting up explainations that have no basis. Pls let the expert explain his way out, do not put wrong words in his mouth. You are now confusing everyone.
Makhubo will be the best witness with the help of eyewitness
Makhubo last time they asked him only two questions he fail dismally to answer them
What questions??? Don't lie
Ihlanganaphi yonke lendavundavu lee nxagga man
This Ratha is confusing the Witness and at the same time he's pushing the Witness to answer the way he like it
375
Everytime they shout 375, you must know the state is winning 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
This sin happens by mistake
Ratha’s stupid reasoning irks me.
What in his reasoning irks you. Please give an example based on the proceedings today? Please inform me, maybe I am missing something.
So Longwe.had his dads cellphone. nd firearm.
@@ThembalihleMariaMkhize-yd7zqsomething serious happened here, we should remember that senzo has a daughter with Kelly and chicco produced and recorded music for Kelly 🤔 on the other side longwe masters the made and colours of zandi penties 😳 who else do the same to Kelly and have a beef with senzo 🙆🏿
@@ThembalihleMariaMkhize-yd7zq wait for the Drs testimony
@@Adjudicator246 he’s pulling the same stunt that he pulled when the DNA expert said he couldn’t read any of the accused DNA on the crime scene. Now he’s trying to debunk the defence’s ballistic expert findings cause he’s findings go against Mangena’s foolishness 🤡
So mangena is saying he knows its Longwe who shot Senzo if he didn't know who was saying those allegations
IZINKABI ZIQAMBA AMAN.A,ZI T.EN.IWE.T.EY BOU..T BUY T.EM.
There is no way that you fire a shot on a pistol and cartridge does not eject aaykhona mangena
someone said yesterday "that it seems like Adv Mngomezulu knows much about this case" and i said he did his own investigation ✓✓✓ bathathe weZulu
And th way hes confident😅😅😅,,,he might be having tangible evidens n thats WHY rata s panicking,allegedly
Mangena is failure
You wish
Col Mangena 🔥🔥🔥
Mangena is corrupt he lied to say he was the first to see tile damage tile, but the statement of Bentley says the damage was seen n thy showed mangena
Sekucacele ngisho ingane esakhasa ukuth makhulu kakhulu lamabhodwe okuohekwe ngawo lobufakazi ogalaza.
Kwakhishwa izizumbulu zezimali ukuth kucindezelwe abantu abanganacala kuvikelwe ingane ka Chico Thwala
UChicco unemali yokukhokhela abantu abaningi kangaka
Ohh sana check Chicco's wealth on google. Kukhona nezooBrenda Fassie alok iimali pha
Mina ngoku bona kwami ama Witness abawenzanga umsebenzi wabo kahle@@gladysmkhize4085
Aaaaaa this Judge, 😢😢😢😢 i really feel for these 5 guys