I always theorize that Sora's time in Smash took place between the ending of 0.2 BBS and beginning of 3, when Sora returned to Yen Sid's tower and Donald and Goofy asked what was Sora doing that took him forever, and Sora said "Hehe, secret!"
The prospect of Smash Ultimate being canon to Kingdom Hearts is so unironically fitting and perfect as it is the biggest crossover event in gaming history and bound to somewhat possibly happen to any of the other franchises in the game
Xenoblade might be totally Canon with Super Smash Bros.™️ Ultimate every franchise like: Super Mario, Sonic The Hedgehog, Kirby, Legend Of Zelda, Donkey Kong, Fire Emblem, TEKKEN, Castlevania & other franchise are totally lore to interested the Smash Fans what do they think about the Franchise Lore that totally connects with Nintendo & Smash Bros.™️ Ultimate.
Sora: “My Friends, they are my Power!” Kazuya Mishima: “Friends are not power, only people. Power is the way it is, and I don’t need friends😈” Donald Duck: “That is so pathetic of you.”
It's possible that Sora in Smash could just be Data Sora. Given his default outfit is KH1, it makes sense. Plus, he used abilities that all somewhat line up with his abilities in Re:Coded. In addition, Data Sora appears in Limit Cut, explaining his use of KH3 abilities and attire. Since Data Sora would have the least impact in the story, it would be the most sensible.
@@HMK Another thing to consider is that both Cloud and Sephiroth are in Smash, and last anyone saw of them in KH was just before they seemingly vanished from existence, never seen since. Perhaps this is why Sora went to Smash to begin with, regardless of his origin? Food for thought.
@HMK So If He's Really The Real One: How Come He Had His 14 Years Old Body To Though Time(Yet Again) Like Dream Drop Distance And KH3 Re-Mind, Was That Really Part Of The Canon?
My theory is that the Sora in Smash is Post-Remind/Pre KH4 Sora, instead of going straight to Quadratum Sora was drifting through various fictional worlds with the Smashverse being one of them
i still laugh when i think about how picky nomura was being about Sora's inclusion in smash, everyone else just see's it as a fun crossover game to allow there favorite video game characters to do battle and then we have Nomura who would only include Sora if he could think of a way to make it canon to Kingdom Hearts, we all made jokes that nomura would make Sora's inclusion part of the Lore but the fact that was actually the case it took so long to get Sora in is Something else lol :)
I was shocked that Nomura was picky with Sora's inclusion in smash due to "lore". Everyone thought Disney was the big issue until that latest interview of Game Informer with Nomura answered that question.
They really should've given Sora different keyblades to go with each costume. Oathkeeper or Star Seeker for KH2 costume, Shooting Star for KH3 costume, KH3 Ultima for Ultimate Form, Monochrome for Toon Sora costume, etc.
I think after Sora use the power of waking and meets Yorzora, he lost after their fight and Sora’s body becomes crystallized and shattered to a thousand pieces that also damaging his heart and it takes time for all the lost pieces of himself to become whole. When Mario summon Sora to the Smash world, Sora doesn’t have all the pieces of himself which explains why he looks like his KH 1 counterpart. During his time at Super Smash Brothers, he was able to find the pieces together with the help of his new friends. However after he got the all pieces of heart together he got transported to some where else and lost his memory of the time he spent at the smash world, In the KH4 trailer, Sora looks much older and it looks like he is in a place similar to Tokyo Shibuya in a Final Fantasy style. If Super Smash Brothers is part of the kingdom hearts story, I want to see Sora interacting and teaming up with iconic video games characters and travel to different worlds from video games while fighting monsters along side with Mario, Link, Fox, Ness, Kirby, Samus, Pikachu, Pit, and Cloud
Would like to add that in the beginning of Kingdom Hearts 3, Sora appears as his Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2 self. The segment that Nomura stated as after Sora's disappearance in Kingdom Hearts 3's ending
WAIT A MINUTE!!! I just realized something! If Nomura was the one who hesitated for putting Sora in Smash, then how does it explain for the lack of songs in the Hollow Bastion stage? Disney was 100% okay with this, so I doubt they were the ones who were holding back the musics. Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful that Sora made it into Smash and I'm happy with what we got, but it feels weird that there's so little songs and no remixes for the stage.
@@windowsos4029 Oh FFS, I knew TH-cam would silence my reply. Here's hoping you'll get it. I don't think so. Because remember that Sora was at the top of the wanted list from the Smash 4 ballot.
@@MrYee-xf6ze The hell? That doesn't make any sense at all. If Square didn't compose the soundtrack, then who has the right to the music? And last I heard, Square was really stingy with the music when Cloud came to the roster.
I agree that Sora being in Smash could be Cannon from the end of Remind before Kingdom hearts 4 that Sora’s Heart time traveled to his younger Self sleeping in 358/2 days and even if his memory of being in Smash had been erased looking back to Young Xehanort who said that when he returns to his Own time and have not memories of anything he seen His Destiny will be imbedded in his Hearts so Sora’s Experience from being in Smash and connection to the other fighters will still be imbedded in his Heart forever.
Honestly, It could even take place around the end of kh dream drop distance. Sora goes back into traverse town to see all the dream eaters and in the end of 2.8, Donald and goofy ask sora where did he go and Sora in his cryptic way replied "hehe...'secret'!"
I was thinking that maybe this could just be Data-Sora and him being placed in what seems like the data version of "world of fantasy." Though perhaps the KH3 Sora Data got lost so they used the next best thing and used the Data from Re:coded. (Which can be why in the trailer Sora was asleep as he came from the keyhole.) order to find clues on where Sora might have gone to or perhaps a lead to his whereabouts. It was also a mystery on where Cloud and Sethphroth went in KH2. Which could be why Data-Sora meets them in game. Also also add Quadratum is a "fantasy version" of real life Shibuya and we have New Donk City which is the "fantasy version" of New York City. We also have Data-Sora attempting to go Valor, Wisdom and Ultimate form in the game but is unable to complete the transformation due to not having any party support. Data-Sora re-learns Sonic Blade from Cloud. Aerial Sweep though this time could be from Link. Then you have counter which could be from numerous fighters *cough* fire emblem mostly. As Data-Sora learns these moves he levels up while obtaining memories of his real life counterpart perhaps through fights with characters that are most similar to his battles in his adventures in the KH series which is what gives him his outfits from later games but never "ages" since Data-Sora isn't complete and is heavily derived from KH1 data.
Mario touched the keyblade sooo.....is he a keyblade wielder? But then again, Leon also touched the keyblade in Kingdom Hearts1 and he isn't a keyblade wielder so I guess no I suppose.😐
@@raheemaslam7363 So what you're telling me is Sora has to be deemed a keyblade master or whatever to make someone else a keyblade wielder?🤔 And here I am thinking to be a keyblade wielder all you have to do is touch the keybalde or touch it with the original owner touching it and you're automatically a keyblader wielder too. But I was going off what happened with Riku and Terra and Kairi and Aqua in KH:BBS. Lol.😆
It also explains the hearts that show up in the background Nomina wanted him to save the bbs trio so they show up and that time frame explained bf roxas and Xion show up
Let's just say Smash ultimate is set between kh3 and 4 seeing how smash is like the kh worlds. Worlds of fiction. Even smash 64's intro was based on a child's imagination and toys come to life.
I’ll go with after Re:Mind’s secret episode. As a side note relating to KH4, I believe Strelitzia could have gotten the idea about Quadratum being an afterlife from someone willing to use lies and deceit to keep her and Sora trapped there forever. So the sooner I get the full picture, the better.
One thing is sure: it's after Kingdom Hearts 2: remember what happend after Cloud and Sephy battled? "Where did they go?" "In a place where they can keep fight" WINK WINK!
I can definitely see a Good Possibilities when it comes to KH Sora From Disney’s Kingdom Hearts Franchise it might be very interesting and super awesome to see some connections and relationship with Super Smash Bros.™️ Ultimate but I think it might be lore but I think it’s very most likely we will see in the future with other Archetypal franchises in Smash Ultimate somewhere that might happening to connect with the Nintendo Characters & 3rd Party Guest Fighters during down in the timeline with their own Foreseeable future.
@HMK I feel like that you’re correct and totally accurate with the agreement with Smash Bros.™️ Ultimate I think it was After KH3: “Kingdom Hearts Ⅲ” Remind DLC it might be a huge possibility chance it happen before when other KH Protagonist characters like: Sora, Kairi, Roxas, Riku & More Past familiar faces can exactly time travel with other past events happening with these Characters in Smash Bros.™️ Ultimate.
Okay all i want is a cutscene where they vaguely talk about sora in smash and when/where/how that happened in the timeline And afterwards you obtain a smash keyblade
I kinda hope Sora does mention it in KH4 it would be funny if there were Italian plumbers who looked like Mario and Luigi who came to his apartment to fix something and he's like "whoa Mario!? Luigi!?" And they're all like "nah we're Tony and Vinny we're here to fix your bathtub"
I personally Think The events of SSBU has Way too High stakes for it to just be a Minor Pass by adventure for Sora or even just a dream! Considering that Galeem basically destroys the ENTIRETY of all Reality and the multiverse! Not to mention the Spirits of all of Sora's friends also appear in the game. I think It would have to take Place during some sort of Finale within the KH universe, Like the end of an Arch or something!
I said this before, saying it again. I want Sega to give the OK for Sonic to be in a Wreck-It Ralph world in Kingdom Hearts and be the only one who is aware of Sora and Smash. (Sonic has cheeky 4th wall-breaking and iteration awareness to pull this off)
Or maybe when right after destiny island fell to darkness Sora must have met Prya and Mythra in Elysium which sent them both to smash where Sora ended bring seal up for final character for game. No wait can't not be right.
If it’s canon would he ever vaguely reference those events like maybe one day he jokes about the time he had to fight a plumber and a gorilla with a tie and an electric rodent
It's simple really. Sora's Keyblade recognized Mario as being a parallel to that of Mickey Mouse; and as a result, used whatever remaining power it had to bring Mario out of his trophy trance; and was calling on Mario through the flame to unlock Sora, so he could unlock the light back into the characters of Smash! Thus freeing them from their trophy state of mind!
Since Sora's inclusion was a wish came true, my personal wish would be a Nintendo crossover with Kingdom Hearts, or at the very least get reference in Kingdom Hearts 4.
Imagine all of this will be easily explainable if smash ultimate had a adventure mode sequel where it also showed how all dlc characters got chosen in the game.
interesting...so if Super Smash Bros Ultimate (and the rest of the Smash series for that matter) were to be canon to Kingdom Hearts, the timeline would go something like this Kingdom Hearts Back Cover Kingdom Hearts X Kingdom Hearts Union X Kingdom Hearts Missing Link Kingdom Hearts Dark Road Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep Kingdom Hearts Fragmentary Passage (Before Mickey Shows Up) Kingdom Hearts 1 And Fragmentary Passage After Mickey Shows Up Kingdom Hearts Chain Of Memories Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days Kingdom Hearts 2 Kingdom Hearts Recoded Kingdom Hearts Dream Drop Distance Kingdom Hearts 3 Kingdom Hearts 3's Remind DLC Kingdom Hearts Melody Of Memory Super Smash Bros Super Smash Bros Melee Super Smash Bros Brawl Super Smash Bros 3ds/Wii U Super Smash Bros Ultimate Kingdom Hearts 4
Sora's reveal in smash is without a question be very best reveal of all time. The love and tender care they put into his grand intro and character himself is amazing at the least 🙏🎮🕹️💜💯 That being said, his inclusion to the lore is the most surprising of all. Just for the sheer fact that literally none of the other characters have any inclusion into their own series, literally makes Sora a one-of-a-kind unique character within the entire roster. And with how crazy convoluted and twisted Kingdom Hearts own lore is, makes it the very best setup I've ever seen. It's literally a perfect roadmap for its own little spin-off like 358 and re:coded. Which makes me absolutely tickled of the idea of the first smash spinoff to be with Kingdom Hearts. Excellent ideas and theories you gave to us HMK, thank you for this, I needed it today LOL 💻☕🎮🕹️🙏💜💯
the reason why sora looked like he did in kh3D is because in order to access the sleeping worlds he had to travel back to when the destiny islands were being destroyed which was a younger body for sora not from the dream aspect of that point In the series that caused sora to look younger. yen sid said so himself in the same game iirc
Sorry, sorry if anyone highly criticizes for posting a comment like this, but I wish there could and would be a Kingdom Hearts like series. Basically another role playing series titled Multiversal Journeys. I imagine the series featuring human characters similar to the humans in Kingdom Hearts such as Sora, Riku, and Kairi. In this series similar to Kingdom Hearts, the humans meet Mario, his friends, and others and have such an awesome adventure with them. Sorry, sorry if no one thinks of this comment as a good one.
Why not just Data Sora? The data realm is often shown to be similar to the realm of sleep. And wreck it Ralph exists within this universe, with passages to other game worlds and everything. Data sora just packed his bags and made his way to the Game Central Station. Maybe he was drawn there to help all these virtual worlds fight against the overwhelming darkness of the master hands
So you're saying in the KH timeline Smash happened in two points in time and to Sora all of the events in Smash happened and did not happen? Only in Kingdom Hearts would this make any remote sense
Obviously from sora’s pov he’s gonna stay in the game forever but from KH pov he’s gotta get sent back at some point so here’s a theory: so what if sora created a clone of himself before he’s sent back without his memories that way the clone can fight in smash in sora’s place and sore gets to go back home I’m not that knowledgeable on KH but what are ur thoughts on this theory
Why would Sora travel back in time? I think it's more likely that Sora's younger appearance is a World Form, similar to how both Timeless River and Halloween Town make Sora resemble his KH1 design. I think that it takes place between Remind and the Secret Episode. Smash has broken the forth wall and continuity before(see Shulk wielding the base form manado even though Palutena says the events of XC already finished), I think some force like Master Hand plucked Sora from his universe before the Price could fully take effect, and thus gave him a... violent vacation. The change in appearance is likely a world form to make Sora more 'iconic,' just as Sakurai prefers depicting earlier versions of characters, like Mega Man. As for the reveal trailer, which I don't consider canon, but whatever let's do this. The Kingdom Key would've fallen through reality before Sora. As the Smash Tournament begins to close and the fighters return to their worlds(going on the assumption that trophies are like replicas as vessels), Mario takes hold of the Keyblade and summons Sora, interrupting the transition to Unreality, and into a separate universe entirely; that of Smash.
The way i see it there are 2 possibilities... but first we need to know what universe does Smash bros take place in? If its in the world of fiction (aka Quadratum) then its just a video game much like Verum Rex and it could possibly just be Data Sora entering into Smash bros along with all the other video game characters. But if Smash takes place in the world of reality (aka kh universe) then Smash is just the imagination of a child playing with toys so it could possibly be Dream Sora from Kairis dreams in melody of memory, thats the one that enters the world of Smash... So in theory this would make Kairi the child that has been playing with toys this whole time and shes the one who created the Smash universe... in other words, KAIRIS RIGHT HAND IS MASTER HAND AND HER LEFT HAND IS CRAZY HAND!!! 🤯🤯🤯
If it will or will not happen I would be surprised if all the video game characters from super smash bros ultimate can appear in kingdom hearts 4 or future KH games? P.s. cool video about SSB ultimate and KH timeline
Awesome Speculative Theory between with two franchises are Canon. I’m totally referring to Super Smash Bros.™️ Ultimate and Disney’s *KINGDOM HEARTS* Series to as well that’s why I’m biggest fan to JRPG/KH & Nintendo®.
I figured this out sometime back.... But I feel the time travel to the CoM version of himself in your iteration of the theory convolutes it and feels wholly unnecessary. Trying to put himself when he was asleep during Namine's reconstruction also sounds iffy because his mind would be essentially erratic back then and thus too unstable for Sora to use that version of himself. I feel more that it's Sora while he's asleep after KH3Re going into KH4. No need for the time Travel to a younger form. He's essentially in the World of Trophies/World of Light in a sort of dream form (which isn't beyond the realm of possibility considering what we saw in 3DS) where he takes the appearance of his younger self but retains knowledge of his abilities/moves up-to-date. What I'm more curious about is how Mario managed to call the Kingdom Key.... Trailer or not, that's not just something anyone can do.
Grab a Station of Nightfall Yozora Shirt TODAY! - hmk-shop.fourthwall.com
Be Sure to *Subscribe* and Share For Those Confused!
Galeem is being of light if light use for evil?
Mario is a key blade user he just needs one
I always theorize that Sora's time in Smash took place between the ending of 0.2 BBS and beginning of 3, when Sora returned to Yen Sid's tower and Donald and Goofy asked what was Sora doing that took him forever, and Sora said "Hehe, secret!"
That be cool
Exactly!
Wow, very nice observation there. Maybe that is the right idea both directors we're aiming for? Nice job m8 🙏💻☕🎮🕹️💜💯
The prospect of Smash Ultimate being canon to Kingdom Hearts is so unironically fitting and perfect as it is the biggest crossover event in gaming history and bound to somewhat possibly happen to any of the other franchises in the game
Do you think the other franchises such as Mario or Sonic to be canon in Smash Bros?
@@marcoa6319 yes
Xenoblade might be totally Canon with Super Smash Bros.™️ Ultimate every franchise like: Super Mario, Sonic The Hedgehog, Kirby, Legend Of Zelda, Donkey Kong, Fire Emblem, TEKKEN, Castlevania & other franchise are totally lore to interested the Smash Fans what do they think about the Franchise Lore that totally connects with Nintendo & Smash Bros.™️ Ultimate.
Take that, Avengers Infinity War!
Sora: “My Friends, they are my Power!”
Kazuya Mishima: “Friends are not power, only people. Power is the way it is, and I don’t need friends😈”
Donald Duck: “That is so pathetic of you.”
It's possible that Sora in Smash could just be Data Sora. Given his default outfit is KH1, it makes sense. Plus, he used abilities that all somewhat line up with his abilities in Re:Coded. In addition, Data Sora appears in Limit Cut, explaining his use of KH3 abilities and attire. Since Data Sora would have the least impact in the story, it would be the most sensible.
But remember, he has abilities beyond that of Data Sora in Coded, and the Data Sora we see in ReMind wouldn't be compatible!
@@HMK Another thing to consider is that both Cloud and Sephiroth are in Smash, and last anyone saw of them in KH was just before they seemingly vanished from existence, never seen since. Perhaps this is why Sora went to Smash to begin with, regardless of his origin? Food for thought.
@HMK So If He's Really The Real One: How Come He Had His 14 Years Old Body To Though Time(Yet Again) Like Dream Drop Distance And KH3 Re-Mind, Was That Really Part Of The Canon?
My headcannon that it takes place during his sleep between KH1 to KH2. He was dreaming being into ultimate.
My theory is that the Sora in Smash is Post-Remind/Pre KH4 Sora, instead of going straight to Quadratum Sora was drifting through various fictional worlds with the Smashverse being one of them
Why is he 14 in Smash then?
@@AlexxxMYLSince2013 well sora was in a younger body in dream drop distance
@@LegoReader12345hello Nag its Sora from Chain of memories or at least his body
@@AlexxxMYLSince2013 He’s only KH1 Sora from our perspective
@LuigiRobs14 Yeah, this was my theory too
i still laugh when i think about how picky nomura was being about Sora's inclusion in smash, everyone else just see's it as a fun crossover game to allow there favorite video game characters to do battle and then we have Nomura who would only include Sora if he could think of a way to make it canon to Kingdom Hearts, we all made jokes that nomura would make Sora's inclusion part of the Lore but the fact that was actually the case it took so long to get Sora in is Something else lol :)
I was shocked that Nomura was picky with Sora's inclusion in smash due to "lore". Everyone thought Disney was the big issue until that latest interview of Game Informer with Nomura answered that question.
@@MrYee-xf6ze it goes to show nomura being a writer and wanting everything to fit and make sense.
They really should've given Sora different keyblades to go with each costume. Oathkeeper or Star Seeker for KH2 costume, Shooting Star for KH3 costume, KH3 Ultima for Ultimate Form, Monochrome for Toon Sora costume, etc.
I think after Sora use the power of waking and meets Yorzora, he lost after their fight and Sora’s body becomes crystallized and shattered to a thousand pieces that also damaging his heart and it takes time for all the lost pieces of himself to become whole.
When Mario summon Sora to the Smash world, Sora doesn’t have all the pieces of himself which explains why he looks like his KH 1 counterpart.
During his time at Super Smash Brothers, he was able to find the pieces together with the help of his new friends. However after he got the all pieces of heart together he got transported to some where else and lost his memory of the time he spent at the smash world,
In the KH4 trailer, Sora looks much older and it looks like he is in a place similar to Tokyo Shibuya in a Final Fantasy style.
If Super Smash Brothers is part of the kingdom hearts story, I want to see Sora interacting and teaming up with iconic video games characters and travel to different worlds from video games while fighting monsters along side with Mario, Link, Fox, Ness, Kirby, Samus, Pikachu, Pit, and Cloud
Same
Nah I can't see Sora and Cloud together, it just wouldn't work in a Kingdom Hearts game
@@CoreeTartufo the last time Sora meet cloud is around kh 2.5 after beating Sephiroth
@@andreaparedes1987 is that your way to tell me that you don't get sarcasm?
Would like to add that in the beginning of Kingdom Hearts 3, Sora appears as his Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2 self.
The segment that Nomura stated as after Sora's disappearance in Kingdom Hearts 3's ending
Hope one day nomura makes a kingomhearts style game but just with Nintendo worlds that would be dope
Same. That's been a dream of mine. Sora's inclusion was already a dream came true for many, why not make this wish happen?
WAIT A MINUTE!!!
I just realized something! If Nomura was the one who hesitated for putting Sora in Smash, then how does it explain for the lack of songs in the Hollow Bastion stage? Disney was 100% okay with this, so I doubt they were the ones who were holding back the musics.
Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful that Sora made it into Smash and I'm happy with what we got, but it feels weird that there's so little songs and no remixes for the stage.
I agree
Likely budget reasons as Sora was very last minute
@@windowsos4029 Oh FFS, I knew TH-cam would silence my reply. Here's hoping you'll get it.
I don't think so. Because remember that Sora was at the top of the wanted list from the Smash 4 ballot.
Probably that Square doesn't own the rights to the music much like with Final Fantasy & Dragon Quest.
@@MrYee-xf6ze The hell? That doesn't make any sense at all. If Square didn't compose the soundtrack, then who has the right to the music? And last I heard, Square was really stingy with the music when Cloud came to the roster.
I'm still wondering about how Sora would make a cameo in a new Wreck It Ralph Film
I agree that Sora being in Smash could be Cannon from the end of Remind before Kingdom hearts 4 that Sora’s Heart time traveled to his younger Self sleeping in 358/2 days and even if his memory of being in Smash had been erased looking back to Young Xehanort who said that when he returns to his Own time and have not memories of anything he seen His Destiny will be imbedded in his Hearts so Sora’s Experience from being in Smash and connection to the other fighters will still be imbedded in his Heart forever.
NOO!?! I was already making a series about crossing into others franchise.
Oh shoot I've been wondering where smash takes place in kingdom hearts in the trailer
Honestly, It could even take place around the end of kh dream drop distance. Sora goes back into traverse town to see all the dream eaters and in the end of 2.8, Donald and goofy ask sora where did he go and Sora in his cryptic way replied "hehe...'secret'!"
I like to think it takes place when he goes to sleep in Chain of memories or After KH4
I want nomura to explain why mario was able to touch THE KEYBLADE
In my opinion it takes place after Kingdom Hearts 3: ReMind (DLC).
I'm glad you have merch 🙂
Super Smash Bros. was Sora's strange dream. New Challenger Yozora confirmed!!
I was thinking that maybe this could just be Data-Sora and him being placed in what seems like the data version of "world of fantasy." Though perhaps the KH3 Sora Data got lost so they used the next best thing and used the Data from Re:coded. (Which can be why in the trailer Sora was asleep as he came from the keyhole.) order to find clues on where Sora might have gone to or perhaps a lead to his whereabouts. It was also a mystery on where Cloud and Sethphroth went in KH2. Which could be why Data-Sora meets them in game. Also also add Quadratum is a "fantasy version" of real life Shibuya and we have New Donk City which is the "fantasy version" of New York City. We also have Data-Sora attempting to go Valor, Wisdom and Ultimate form in the game but is unable to complete the transformation due to not having any party support. Data-Sora re-learns Sonic Blade from Cloud. Aerial Sweep though this time could be from Link. Then you have counter which could be from numerous fighters *cough* fire emblem mostly. As Data-Sora learns these moves he levels up while obtaining memories of his real life counterpart perhaps through fights with characters that are most similar to his battles in his adventures in the KH series which is what gives him his outfits from later games but never "ages" since Data-Sora isn't complete and is heavily derived from KH1 data.
Great theory video HMK!
let's hope we get Roxas as an Echo Fighter next game and Riku as a new rep!
Mario touched the keyblade sooo.....is he a keyblade wielder?
But then again, Leon also touched the keyblade in Kingdom Hearts1 and he isn't a keyblade wielder so I guess no I suppose.😐
Well Sora was far from a master in 1
@@raheemaslam7363
So what you're telling me is Sora has to be deemed a keyblade master or whatever to make someone else a keyblade wielder?🤔
And here I am thinking to be a keyblade wielder all you have to do is touch the keybalde or touch it with the original owner touching it and you're automatically a keyblader wielder too. But I was going off what happened with Riku and Terra and Kairi and Aqua in KH:BBS. Lol.😆
@@brickcontroller4553 yeah the thing is that you have to be master level to grant people a keyblade, Sora was not in his first game
I think this takes place when Sora became a heartless in KH1 disregarding what HMK said about the skins he wears in Smash
Then what of the abilities?
It also explains the hearts that show up in the background
Nomina wanted him to save the bbs trio so they show up and that time frame explained bf roxas and Xion show up
Let's just say Smash ultimate is set between kh3 and 4 seeing how smash is like the kh worlds. Worlds of fiction. Even smash 64's intro was based on a child's imagination and toys come to life.
chain of memories was the first nintendo title so post chain as a point return would be ironic
INDEEEEEEEEEEEED
I’ll go with after Re:Mind’s secret episode. As a side note relating to KH4, I believe Strelitzia could have gotten the idea about Quadratum being an afterlife from someone willing to use lies and deceit to keep her and Sora trapped there forever. So the sooner I get the full picture, the better.
HMK MatPat over here, talking bout theories
My theory is when Sora ended up abusing the power of waking which he ended up in quradrum which then send him to smash.
I though it was only Sora from CoM, but Sora's kh3 heart in CoM is even more interesting.
One thing is sure: it's after Kingdom Hearts 2: remember what happend after Cloud and Sephy battled?
"Where did they go?"
"In a place where they can keep fight"
WINK WINK!
I can definitely see a Good Possibilities when it comes to KH Sora From Disney’s Kingdom Hearts Franchise it might be very interesting and super awesome to see some connections and relationship with Super Smash Bros.™️ Ultimate but I think it might be lore but I think it’s very most likely we will see in the future with other Archetypal franchises in Smash Ultimate somewhere that might happening to connect with the Nintendo Characters & 3rd Party Guest Fighters during down in the timeline with their own Foreseeable future.
@HMK I feel like that you’re correct and totally accurate with the agreement with Smash Bros.™️ Ultimate I think it was After KH3: “Kingdom Hearts Ⅲ” Remind DLC it might be a huge possibility chance it happen before when other KH Protagonist characters like: Sora, Kairi, Roxas, Riku & More Past familiar faces can exactly time travel with other past events happening with these Characters in Smash Bros.™️ Ultimate.
Okay all i want is a cutscene where they vaguely talk about sora in smash and when/where/how that happened in the timeline
And afterwards you obtain a smash keyblade
How cool would it be if we get a smash world in a KH game where we get to fight Taboo or The Hands
Man, We canon this those thoughts.
Knowing to save their worlds.
He our only hope.
Good lore about Smash.
I kinda hope Sora does mention it in KH4 it would be funny if there were Italian plumbers who looked like Mario and Luigi who came to his apartment to fix something and he's like "whoa Mario!? Luigi!?" And they're all like "nah we're Tony and Vinny we're here to fix your bathtub"
I’ve had this question for a while but if we consider the UX protag Xehanort does that mean xehanort could travel back to UX times?
I don't think so because his heart dissolved and became a new one
I personally Think The events of SSBU has Way too High stakes for it to just be a Minor Pass by adventure for Sora or even just a dream! Considering that Galeem basically destroys the ENTIRETY of all Reality and the multiverse! Not to mention the Spirits of all of Sora's friends also appear in the game. I think It would have to take Place during some sort of Finale within the KH universe, Like the end of an Arch or something!
Besides, This still isn't even considering the off-chance possibility that Sora might reappear in Future Smash games!
I said this before, saying it again. I want Sega to give the OK for Sonic to be in a Wreck-It Ralph world in Kingdom Hearts and be the only one who is aware of Sora and Smash. (Sonic has cheeky 4th wall-breaking and iteration awareness to pull this off)
Or maybe when right after destiny island fell to darkness Sora must have met Prya and Mythra in Elysium which sent them both to smash where Sora ended bring seal up for final character for game. No wait can't not be right.
If it’s canon would he ever vaguely reference those events like maybe one day he jokes about the time he had to fight a plumber and a gorilla with a tie and an electric rodent
It's simple really. Sora's Keyblade recognized Mario as being a parallel to that of Mickey Mouse; and as a result, used whatever remaining power it had to bring Mario out of his trophy trance; and was calling on Mario through the flame to unlock Sora, so he could unlock the light back into the characters of Smash! Thus freeing them from their trophy state of mind!
Since Sora's inclusion was a wish came true, my personal wish would be a Nintendo crossover with Kingdom Hearts, or at the very least get reference in Kingdom Hearts 4.
Why hello my good Chum :)
After chain of memories
When he is sleeping
If Kingdom Hearts is Canon to Toy Story, and Smash is Canon to Kingdom Hearts....
Smash is a real game or concept in the Toy Story universe!!!!!
Imagine all of this will be easily explainable if smash ultimate had a adventure mode sequel where it also showed how all dlc characters got chosen in the game.
Amazing Video!
interesting...so if Super Smash Bros Ultimate (and the rest of the Smash series for that matter) were to be canon to Kingdom Hearts, the timeline would go something like this
Kingdom Hearts Back Cover
Kingdom Hearts X
Kingdom Hearts Union X
Kingdom Hearts Missing Link
Kingdom Hearts Dark Road
Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep
Kingdom Hearts Fragmentary Passage (Before Mickey Shows Up)
Kingdom Hearts 1 And Fragmentary Passage After Mickey Shows Up
Kingdom Hearts Chain Of Memories
Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days
Kingdom Hearts 2
Kingdom Hearts Recoded
Kingdom Hearts Dream Drop Distance
Kingdom Hearts 3
Kingdom Hearts 3's Remind DLC
Kingdom Hearts Melody Of Memory
Super Smash Bros
Super Smash Bros Melee
Super Smash Bros Brawl
Super Smash Bros 3ds/Wii U
Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Kingdom Hearts 4
I Believe It's Possible For Him To Time Travel, Even As a Canon,
But I'm Gotta Make Sure He's Not Faded Away
What He Predicted...
Sounds like fan fiction
How do you know that Sora sent his heart back in time after re mind? Why would he even do that
Sora's reveal in smash is without a question be very best reveal of all time. The love and tender care they put into his grand intro and character himself is amazing at the least 🙏🎮🕹️💜💯
That being said, his inclusion to the lore is the most surprising of all. Just for the sheer fact that literally none of the other characters have any inclusion into their own series, literally makes Sora a one-of-a-kind unique character within the entire roster. And with how crazy convoluted and twisted Kingdom Hearts own lore is, makes it the very best setup I've ever seen. It's literally a perfect roadmap for its own little spin-off like 358 and re:coded. Which makes me absolutely tickled of the idea of the first smash spinoff to be with Kingdom Hearts. Excellent ideas and theories you gave to us HMK, thank you for this, I needed it today LOL 💻☕🎮🕹️🙏💜💯
Also remember in KHDDD when Sora's look reverted back to his KH1 form due to being in a dream if I recall correctly.
the reason why sora looked like he did in kh3D is because in order to access the sleeping worlds he had to travel back to when the destiny islands were being destroyed which was a younger body for sora not from the dream aspect of that point In the series that caused sora to look younger. yen sid said so himself in the same game iirc
I hope Smash isn't canon to Kingdom Hearts lol but if it is, not a bad theory if it is. I like it!
Sorry, sorry if anyone highly criticizes for posting a comment like this, but I wish there could and would be a Kingdom Hearts like series. Basically another role playing series titled Multiversal Journeys. I imagine the series featuring human characters similar to the humans in Kingdom Hearts such as Sora, Riku, and Kairi. In this series similar to Kingdom Hearts, the humans meet Mario, his friends, and others and have such an awesome adventure with them. Sorry, sorry if no one thinks of this comment as a good one.
Why not just Data Sora?
The data realm is often shown to be similar to the realm of sleep. And wreck it Ralph exists within this universe, with passages to other game worlds and everything. Data sora just packed his bags and made his way to the Game Central Station. Maybe he was drawn there to help all these virtual worlds fight against the overwhelming darkness of the master hands
So you're saying in the KH timeline Smash happened in two points in time and to Sora all of the events in Smash happened and did not happen? Only in Kingdom Hearts would this make any remote sense
Like Master Of Masters Guy And Xehanort Past Self Said Before
oddly enough, this makes a lot of sense for sora to take on the appearance from kh1/com! this is awesome!
Ok.. but if it took place during 358/2 days, then why r the gates in hollow bastion still closed?
I guess he really did meet the Final Fantasy version of Cloud and Sephiroth in Smash Ultimate
lmao that's crazy. I can see that happening. I can also see it as Data Sora since he's in a game.
I love how it makes sense lmfao it's actually scary
Huh... Kingdom Hearts time travel isn't that complex, it's quite similar to X-Men Days of Future Past.
Tbh it could fit anywhere in kingdom hearts especially quadratum
Enjoying it so much and with a little more information between smash and kingdom hearts would explain more details
I love this man hmk my guy is on point
Obviously from sora’s pov he’s gonna stay in the game forever but from KH pov he’s gotta get sent back at some point so here’s a theory: so what if sora created a clone of himself before he’s sent back without his memories that way the clone can fight in smash in sora’s place and sore gets to go back home
I’m not that knowledgeable on KH but what are ur thoughts on this theory
Why would Sora travel back in time? I think it's more likely that Sora's younger appearance is a World Form, similar to how both Timeless River and Halloween Town make Sora resemble his KH1 design.
I think that it takes place between Remind and the Secret Episode. Smash has broken the forth wall and continuity before(see Shulk wielding the base form manado even though Palutena says the events of XC already finished), I think some force like Master Hand plucked Sora from his universe before the Price could fully take effect, and thus gave him a... violent vacation. The change in appearance is likely a world form to make Sora more 'iconic,' just as Sakurai prefers depicting earlier versions of characters, like Mega Man.
As for the reveal trailer, which I don't consider canon, but whatever let's do this.
The Kingdom Key would've fallen through reality before Sora. As the Smash Tournament begins to close and the fighters return to their worlds(going on the assumption that trophies are like replicas as vessels), Mario takes hold of the Keyblade and summons Sora, interrupting the transition to Unreality, and into a separate universe entirely; that of Smash.
I'm kh 3d he became a kid as well maybe it's the dream world of quadradum
Oh noo...
Makes you wonder if Nintendo will let Kingdom Hearts borrow Mario and some of the others.
I think Smash is after losing the fight against Yozora.
Now Sora has to train 😗
The way i see it there are 2 possibilities... but first we need to know what universe does Smash bros take place in? If its in the world of fiction (aka Quadratum) then its just a video game much like Verum Rex and it could possibly just be Data Sora entering into Smash bros along with all the other video game characters. But if Smash takes place in the world of reality (aka kh universe) then Smash is just the imagination of a child playing with toys so it could possibly be Dream Sora from Kairis dreams in melody of memory, thats the one that enters the world of Smash...
So in theory this would make Kairi the child that has been playing with toys this whole time and shes the one who created the Smash universe... in other words, KAIRIS RIGHT HAND IS MASTER HAND AND HER LEFT HAND IS CRAZY HAND!!! 🤯🤯🤯
If it will or will not happen I would be surprised if all the video game characters from super smash bros ultimate can appear in kingdom hearts 4 or future KH games? P.s. cool video about SSB ultimate and KH timeline
I smell Axel having a hand in this…!
I have something important to talk to you about regarding the language of scala where is the best place to contact you
Great 👍🏾 Vid! @HMK
Awesome Speculative Theory between with two franchises are Canon. I’m totally referring to Super Smash Bros.™️ Ultimate and Disney’s *KINGDOM HEARTS* Series to as well that’s why I’m biggest fan to JRPG/KH & Nintendo®.
OK so this is just a theory right what is the master of masters is secretly sora when he’s in adult
I figured this out sometime back.... But I feel the time travel to the CoM version of himself in your iteration of the theory convolutes it and feels wholly unnecessary. Trying to put himself when he was asleep during Namine's reconstruction also sounds iffy because his mind would be essentially erratic back then and thus too unstable for Sora to use that version of himself.
I feel more that it's Sora while he's asleep after KH3Re going into KH4. No need for the time Travel to a younger form. He's essentially in the World of Trophies/World of Light in a sort of dream form (which isn't beyond the realm of possibility considering what we saw in 3DS) where he takes the appearance of his younger self but retains knowledge of his abilities/moves up-to-date.
What I'm more curious about is how Mario managed to call the Kingdom Key.... Trailer or not, that's not just something anyone can do.
nah, it's just another dream world.
Love this
I cannot like this video.
It's at 777. The luckiest of numbers.
Never it is not canon
Someone didn't watch the video
Smash is not canon to kingdom hearts. Stop spreading misinformation.
Someone didn't watch the video