There is a LOT of Love for Kingdom Hearts in Super Smash Bros Ultimate, lets check out the references in Sora's Classic Route! Lets get past 1000 likes!
I think the referrences to Master Hand & Crazy Hand is like the gloves of Master Xehanort esp in wriggling his fingers in the BBS trailer & summoning the X-Blade in KH3.
Both Cloud and Sora should have they're classic mode last battle against Sephiroth, one on Final Destination (which has a transmission similar to the Safer Sephiroth battle) and the other on the Fire Emblem coliseum with One-Winged Angel for obvious reasons.
probably due to Disney, heck Sakurai only acknowledges Maleficent during his presentation, and Mickey Donald and Goofy weren't mentioned, and also when you fight Terra's spirit there's Ashley is to represent Maleficent
I think that the ganondorf fight is supposed to be a darkisde because of his size and also the music that plays is the music that always plays when you fight a darkside. Plus the stage could be referencing destiny island getting destroyed but I also see it being the keyblade graveyard. Other than that I completely agree with everything else
I don't see it being anything else, tbh My thought was that it was a Re:CoM or Re:Coded reference, though, since in both those Darkside fights, the field is a small island instead of the larger area in KH1
It could be that, however i like to believe it is vs ansem, like at the end of kh1. Ganondorf is ansem and the floating island is supposed to be the destroyed island.
With Sakurai making Sora floaty and having his KH3 artwork at the end of classic mode leads me to believe that Sakurai is not only saying " Stan Osaka!" But he's also saying "Kingdom Hearts 3 is actually good and fun!"
At first I thought the fight against metal Sora was a reference to the fight with Sora's Heartless in Re:Coded, but I could also see it being the Ventus fight in DDD
I still think the giant Ganondorf fight is a reference to the battle against Darkside. The cobbled floor from the "Find Mii" Stage could be the broken piece of Destiny Islands Sora is fighting Darkside on.
I was really hoping that Sephiroth would be the final boss, but they can't really use DLC fighters except for the one you're playing as. It would have been really cool though. That armored Ventus reference was genius imo
Indeed. The fact that people keep forgetting is that until the corresponding pack is bought, the fighter in question _does not actually exist_ in the game's data; and one can't exactly implement something that doesn't exist, now can they?
The way I understood stage 4 is that you're fighting Ventus, Aqua, and Terra in Land of Departure since little male Robin is small (like Ventus), medium female Robin is normal sized (like Aqua), and big male Robin represents Terra. The stained glass of Kalos league is very reminiscent of Land of Departure too, and their mix between sword and magic attacks makes me think this is what it was alluding to.
I think they're more so non-specific Organization XIII members(Due to Robin's coat). Because Axel and Roxas are represented by Roy and Ultimate Sora, respectively.
I think it's more Vexen (normal m!Robin, because people _looks down on him_ despite his rank, thus a visual cue), Marluxia (large Robin, because tol people in charge is a common visual trope) and Larxene (female Robin, obviously). Also, Kalos Pokémon League represents Castle Oblivion, which is not really associated with Xion and _especially_ Roxas (the kid only entered the place once, and he barely went past the entrance door before blacking out at that). Also, I don't really Sakurai and co. would be recycling the same reference twice for the same pack
Don’t forget that we got the gummi ship music for the credits, which is pretty perfect too, also definitely think that ganon is darkside, he’s a bit too big to be Xehanort in my opinion, plus the song and stage further compliment the darkside thing
It's a long stretch, but I like to believe the Master and Crazy Hands are a reference to the Master of Masters. A figure whose been pulling the strings from the background this whole time, and the hands names "Master" and "Crazy" both are descriptors that could apply to the MoM. With this in mind, it gets me hype for when the future arrives for us to face down against the Master in person
Valid af In every instance we see of MoM, his thought process is always out there and extremely unconventional, so its not out of the realm of possibility. We do know that he has his reasons for it, but they're hella crazy and unfathomable
Honestly, it kind of scares me when I remember that we haven't actually SEEN the Master of Masters fight anyone and he's supposedly the strongest Keyblade Master of all time. Considering some of the stuff that some other Keyblade Masters are able to do (mainly Xehanort and the Foretellers) it's honestly terrifying when you think of what's gonna happen when he DOES end up fighting someone. (Also, kinda hoping that in the next KH game where we play as Sora, there's a secret fight against MoM where you just find him, no words are spoken and he just summons a Keyblade and starts fighting with his theme playing in the background. He honestly doesn't need a unique battle theme, his own theme would work just as well for him in a boss fight)
My first thought was also that Giant Ganondorf was Master Xehanort but I actually think it's supposed to be Darkside. The platform does look like the Keyblade Graveyard, but given Ganondorf's size, the fact that Destiny's Force plays, and the fact that the stage ALSO looks very similar to the floating "island" thingy with the giant ball of darkness floating overhead from the Darkside fight when Destiny Islands is being destroyed, my conclusion was it's a reference to Darkside. I also wonder if the fight against Metal Sora could be Sora's Heartless from Coded, or even his "shadow" from KH1 that appeared in the intro (and turns into Darkside) and in Neverland.
I think the master and crazy hands at the end of the classic route are in reference to the way master Xehanort moves his hands when casting spells. They're also white like his gloves!
the bigger G&W reminded me of Mega/Giga Shadow Heartless, and then the Giant Ganondorf reminded me of a Darkside more than Xehanort (tho I did think it was Xehanort at first lol) and then the Master/Crazy fight just fits that overall fight for balance between Light and Darkness (both hands being mass produced by Galeem and Dharkon in World of Light) And of course, the credits are the gummi ship sections of KH1
I wish it wasn't Master and Crazy Hand as the final boss for Sora's classic route. They are just so repetitive to fight against over and over again, but his classic mode picture is just awesome.
My opinion on what they are Fight 1: I agree Fight 2: should be a reference to the Heartless before you fight Fight 3: Cloud and I agree Fight 4: I actually think they are Roxas, Axel and Xion as the big Robin does more fire moves and the boy and girl Robin’s who are smaller try to replicate Sora’s moveset with the magic and sword moves Fight 5: I agree Fight 6: kinda true cause if it really is then how come it isn’t the DDD Sora alt? Fight 7: hmm still mad they couldn’t chose anything else
The Hands could actually be a reference to the Dark Figure guardian that stays behind Ansem during your fight at the End of the World’s Destiny Islands in Kingdom Hearts! The arena looks like a broken up Destiny Islands. Dark Figure has huge hands that constantly grab at you and hit you, and it shoots out dark rings that hurt you (like how Master and Crazy Hands shoot gold rings at you). I feel confident that this is what that is a reference to, it’s just meant to be less obvious to get you really thinking.
I like to jokingly think that the master hand and crazy hand represent Xehanort's gloves. Long story short, the final boss of Sora's route is a pair of gloves who just so happen to be owned by the main villain of Kingdom Hearts.
Fighting both Master & Crazy Hands could be referring to how Sora can defy the hand(s) of fate... Both within his own series, and the whole making it into Smash thing he did...
You know, thats the kind of thigns I Love of Nintendo and Smash bros, they focus on all details. Games like MVC3 by Capcom has this details for their characters, for example: Dante´s double jump has the iconic sound, either Vergil Judgment cut has its characteristic sound, but Smash Bros focus a lot in this kind of things. That´s why many people got amused with Sora valor form pose. Greetings Pal from Mexico.
The last fight against metal sora is also an awesome callback to smash 64s classic route end where you would fight metal mario in a similar aesthetic stage. Awesome that they brought it back for the last smash fighter.
I think that having Master and Crazy hand as the boss fight is kinda justified this time. I find poetic that the LAST smash fighter has to defeat the FIRST boss fight in smash history
I believe that in the 2nd fight, the stage SkyWorld is a reference to the gates of Olympus where when trailers for kingdom hearts 3 first seen show this place a lot for fighting hordes of heartless
i thought the 3 robins were like the nobodies that you fight as roxas in dive to heart in kh2 I mean he is sora's nobody so it would make sense to be in sora's classic mode but could be anything else
I'm not sure if you already know this, but one last thing about Classic Mode I thought was cool is that when Sora is going through the credit shooter sequence, they use the Gummy Ship theme, as opposed to one of the more iconic songs like Simple and Clean, or Hollow Bastion.
I almost wondered if they decided to use the Master Hand fight, not as a reference to Kingdom Hearts, but more for a reference to the Sora Smash reveal trailer. Where when darkness came, everybody was changed back to the Figurines, but the light of Sora making them active again.
At first I thought giant ganon was meant to represent darkside, but then I realized that if it were darkside they probably would’ve used a giant dark incineroar instead.
Pretty sure the 3 robin fight is supposed to be ventus, roxas and xion which are all part of his own heart at some point, and the area looks like the dive to the heart area from kindom hearts which could connect it to all characters with sora
I feel like Dark Link and Dark Young Link could also be a nod to how Sora was turned into Heartless (a Shadow) and eventually developed his Dark or Anti form. Since it takes place in Hollow Bastion, Dark Young Link/Shadow Sora makes some sense.
I honestly think the fight against a metal sora is a bit more symbolic. It’s Sora fighting the darkness within his own heart, hence you fighting in Dive into the Heart.
Dude I think you’re wrong about the nort court there’s 2 males and one female robin one of the males is bigger representing terra the smaller males is representing ven and the female is representing aqua the stage is the land of departure
I didnt consider that, not gonna lie Although there are alt colors that could have better suited all three of them if that were the case. My though is that the female is Larxene, since she uses Thunder magic, and since one of the males uses Fire, that could be Axel. Leading me to believe its either a Re: Chain of Memories reference, and the stage is Castle Oblivion, or that it could be either Garden of Assemblage
I don't think I ever knew Nightmare Armor was Sora. And now thanks to you, I have the perfect idea for a super mode for KH3DS Sora. When thinking of a super mode system for smash, I was thinking Final form would be Sora's super mode. But some might say Final form is weaker than Ultimate form even though the former is a fusion. Thanks this revelation, I was thinking that Sora would have a different super mode depending on the costume. KH1/Timeless River: Shadow Sora KH2/Valor Form: Final form (or Master form for diversity) KH3DS/Wisdom Form: Nightmare armor KH3/Ultimate form: Double Form
3:10 i believe its not about the Xehanort/Xemnas fight. look again at the Mosaique looking stage, it looks like the intro where you choose your Class and also it reminds of the 3 hearts like Sora/Ventus/Roxas , this fight more likeli represents the heart of Sora itself
I honestly think the multiple Mr Game and Watches are a nod to Shadow's and Giga Shadow's found in Wonderland of KH1. True Giga Shadow's only show up there but I think it works.
@HMK The Robins being Org13 at Castle Oblivion makes sense to me since there's 1 female Robin. And giant Ganondorf in the wasteland-looking level is definitely Darkside at Destiny Islands since the ground all broken up looks nearly the same.
I'm pretty sure round 4 is a fight against Xion, Roxas, and Axel, seeing as how female Robin and the male Robin next to her are both small and the other Robin next to them is bigger. I believe this combination of Robin is also in Xion's spirit battle. Even if it isn't that, I don't think it's a reference to the Keyblade War of KH3 especially because I imagine you would fight all 13 Org members and it would be on the Find Mii stage instead. Also that Ganondorf fight is definitely a reference to Darkside on the destroyed floating remains of Destiny Islands.
I'm going to take the Master and Crazy Hand fight as a nod to Guard Armor and Opposite Armor. They had other enemies at the end of the classic route they could have used like the giant robot or the dragon to be similar to Kurt Zisa or Maleficient. I mean they fit pretty well together in terms of bosses and as much as I would adore having the dragon to represent Maleficent, it's more fitting to have a boss who represents the heartless who are the mascot enemy of the franchise.
Firstly, it could be argued that the Link and Young Link fight could reference the two Dark Riku fights. With Young Link being Dark Riku, and Link being Ansem-Riku, respectively. In Hollow Bastion, it makes sense as a KH1 reference. The three Robins, in my opinion, is actually meant to be the Garden of Assemblage. Either from KH2 or KH3. True, it could be Nort Court, but there's evidence to suggest otherwise. Female Robin is Thunder version, making me think of Larxene. And one of the Male Robins is Fire, hence an Axel data fight reference. The other one could be Xemnas, Young Xehanort or Xigbar, if were sticking with that idea. The Kalos Pokemon League area is churchlike, so it could be referencing KH2's Castle Oblivion hallway leading to the Garden of Assemblage itself. If its a KH3 reference, the KH3 Data Garden still makes sense. The Giant Ganondorf fight is meant to be a Darkside fight (citing Re: Chain of Memories and Re:Coded for this one, where in both Sora is on a floating island while Darkside tries to wreck him). Continuing with Re:Coded being cited, fighting metal Sora is the Mirror Match in Re:Coded, at the end of the game, where Sora's Heartless becomes a Sora clone. Could also be a KH1 ref of Sora fighting Riku's Manifested Sora Shadow, as well. Either way, both of those are "vs. self" fights, where you have to be creative and outwit the opponent to win. Im not opposed to the Armored Nightmare Ventus theory though. Also of note, while messing with Sora in vs fights in solo Smash mode, i came across a reference they could have used but likely might have gotten in trouble for. Giant Ridley with the purple alt could have been a neat KH1 vs Dragon Maleficent fight reference. Purple and green is a very obvious color similarity 😏
I kinda saw fighting master hand and crazy hand as Sora fighting 'the hands of fate' Like the time traveling, bringing people back in exchange for his own life. So fighting fate. XD I dun know
Definitely leaning towards the giant Ganondorf fight being a reference to the Darkside fight in KH1. Also, the Game & Watch invasion, to me personally, should've taken place on the Tortimer Island stage. They even show it in Sora's final screenshot so it's obvious that the stage is a stand-in for Destiny Islands. Not sure why they chose Skyworld but I do have a theory; Maybe Skyworld was chosen to further reference how Olympus was portrayed in the more recent KH3 since you don't go to the coliseum at all in that one. Cloud really should've been in his OG FF7 outfit but I suppose I kinda get it from Sakurai's perspective... He's clearly an Advent Children fanboy so I think he really just wanted to use that Cloud out of preference rather than trying to be faithful to the original KH. Either way, the reference still hits home and works. It's Sora Vs. Cloud in a Totally-Not-Olympus stage in Smash Bros. I'd say that's as good as it can really get, and it's all you could ever really ask for. Let Sakurai have his preferences. :P
I’ve found a handful of references with Sora outside of classic mode. Sora P4 in stamina battle 1v1 against LV 9 Male Byleth on Fourside’s omega form (you’ll want to turn the volume down and play Nachtflügel for this one).
I do like your ideas of what the references could be, if you want my honest opinion I see Sora’s classic mode as his journey to KH3. Starting from the first in Hallow Bastion, the music is Fragments of Sorrow which plays in the Dive to the Heart which is also in the smash stage so it’s at the tutorial of Kingdom Hearts 1, the Links can be interpreted as Sora's shadow as Young Link and Darkside as BOTW Link. Second is definitely Destiny Islands of fighting Shadows with the music giving it away Round Three is obvious with fighting Cloud in Olympus, however Four and Five is confusing with having Organization 13 members and lasted a giant Gannondorf, the music in Four definitely tells me it’s Castle Oblivion (plus one of the Robins is female) but is Gannon Xemnas? It’s difficult to tell with the music and stage is a Behemoth. But another part of me thinks it could be Lingering Will due to the stage, so I’ll leave it up to anyone’s guess. And finally Armoured Nightmare, a great final fight before we get to the title screen art of Kingdom Hearts 3 (oh and Master Hand and Crazy Hand are there for possibly Sakurai trying to get him into smash maybe.)
I'm pretty sure it's not the nort court and actually just a fight against organization 13, giant Gannon was definitely a darkside reference, and metal Sora is more like the dark Sora's that Riku summons in Neverland in kh1 or dark mode reference in kh2 and kh3
I feel like if the Mr. G&W's were meant to represent the Heartless attacking Destiny Island, the stage would actually be one of the actual island stages and not Skyworld. Maybe the scene may actually be a reference to the Olympus Colosseum? I don't know what goes on there, though, nor do I know any other worlds that take place in the sky, since I don't know KH in general aside from the beginning in Destiny Island and a little bit afterward in Traverse Town.
Nothing will stop Sora from crossing to other worlds here's hoping that playstation all stars gets a remake he'd fit perfectly in there to and maybe a DreamWorks world in a future kh game
sadly seph is dlc so everyone would need to have him, but I for one would want seph to be the penultimate fight and master and crazy hand be for the final boss since he's travelled to the "smash world" and sealed it's keyhole, this isn't about sora or smash but sora IN smash, so it's fitting he's fighting them both, would have been cooler if it was in the dive to the heart but then would make less sense in terms of referencing canon, final destination is the embodiment of smash in terms of location, with both hands and final destination being all about light and darkness, and "fiction", the embodiment of the realms represented in KH, like the between of all realms
I won’t lie, until you noted the face it was a metal Sora, my first thought was that it was referencing the Roxas fight near the end of KH2 in The World That Never Was.
The Ganondorf is darkside and I think the three Robin's are roxas axel and xion though you don't fight all three in any of the games it could be more of a reference than an actual moment.
I know this sound stupid but I think master hand and crazy hand are xehanort because he’s the only character that does crazy movement with his hands that I can think of.
Around 5:00 you mentioned the fight was a reference to Riku fighting the unversed armored Ventus looking Sora. I beg to differ. I would wager it's more in reference to Sora's fight against Yozora in Kingdom Hearts 3. First, the order in which the battles are done wouldn't line up with Riku fighting unversed armored Sora, but Yozora would fit the bill since you fight him AFTER you defeat old man Xehanort. Secondly, Sora's name means day-lite sky, and Yozora means night. The creators have mentioned the characters are mirror reflections of each other from an opposing spectrum, Sora is more lite hearted, childish, and always down for fun, while Yozora is a brooding depressing sad sack who may smirk at dark humor and given the fact he is more hardened in his heart than Sora that would hint to the metallic sheen of the final character Sora faces in Smash, or to simply make it more difficult than it should be since Yozora is arguably the toughest boss in the game. Lastly, Sora never fought unversed armored Sora, RIKU fought that battle. However, since Sora is the FINAL character reveal in smash and not YOZORA, the best they could do without creating more work and legal juggling licenses was to create the dark looking metal Sora... Thank you for reading my ted talk.
As an add on, I believe the master hand may be a wink to something that has yet to come. Such as a fight with the "Masters of masters", the man or entity that has been "pulling the strings" of this entire ordeal from the FAR beginning... or could just be Smash's ultimate challenge for Sora.
There is a LOT of Love for Kingdom Hearts in Super Smash Bros Ultimate, lets check out the references in Sora's Classic Route! Lets get past 1000 likes!
Just to show the love that Sakurai and his team put into the franchises involved in Smash Ultimate.
I think the referrences to Master Hand & Crazy Hand is like the gloves of Master Xehanort esp in wriggling his fingers in the BBS trailer & summoning the X-Blade in KH3.
Both Cloud and Sora should have they're classic mode last battle against Sephiroth, one on Final Destination (which has a transmission similar to the Safer Sephiroth battle) and the other on the Fire Emblem coliseum with One-Winged Angel for obvious reasons.
I think the Dark Link fights might be anti form Sora’s, I know the map is wrong, but it could be Kh1 (dark clone) and Kh2 anti form.
Disappointed they didn’t give us Duck Hunt as allies through his route
ye missed opportunity
probably due to Disney, heck Sakurai only acknowledges Maleficent during his presentation, and Mickey Donald and Goofy weren't mentioned, and also when you fight Terra's spirit there's Ashley is to represent Maleficent
i got EMOTIONAL seeing Sora’s KH3 artwork in the end of his classic route. One of the best screenshots ive seen for Smash.
I think that the ganondorf fight is supposed to be a darkisde because of his size and also the music that plays is the music that always plays when you fight a darkside. Plus the stage could be referencing destiny island getting destroyed but I also see it being the keyblade graveyard. Other than that I completely agree with everything else
That's exactly what the reference is. I agree
I don't see it being anything else, tbh
My thought was that it was a Re:CoM or Re:Coded reference, though, since in both those Darkside fights, the field is a small island instead of the larger area in KH1
Well, why can't it be both? Leaving the imagination to each individual player?
Darkside was definitely where my mind went first
It could be that, however i like to believe it is vs ansem, like at the end of kh1. Ganondorf is ansem and the floating island is supposed to be the destroyed island.
Seeing Sora doing his KH3 Artwork pose at the end of Classic Mode warmed my heart so much
With Sakurai making Sora floaty and having his KH3 artwork at the end of classic mode leads me to believe that Sakurai is not only saying " Stan Osaka!" But he's also saying "Kingdom Hearts 3 is actually good and fun!"
At first I thought the fight against metal Sora was a reference to the fight with Sora's Heartless in Re:Coded, but I could also see it being the Ventus fight in DDD
I think it might be the roxas fight from kh2
@@Maidenrouge nah it ain’t
I still think the giant Ganondorf fight is a reference to the battle against Darkside. The cobbled floor from the "Find Mii" Stage could be the broken piece of Destiny Islands Sora is fighting Darkside on.
Watch out for his *MEGA DESTRUCTION DARK BALL OF DARKNESS!… AND KNUCKLES!*
@@Silent_Fool Actually it's; MEGA DESTRUCTION DARK BALL OF DARKNESS AND DESTRUCTION... AND KNUCKLES!
I was really hoping that Sephiroth would be the final boss, but they can't really use DLC fighters except for the one you're playing as. It would have been really cool though. That armored Ventus reference was genius imo
Kinda wished they updated Cloud's to have Sephiroth as the last boss but they won't do it as not every player owns Sephiroth's DLC. Shame really.
Indeed. The fact that people keep forgetting is that until the corresponding pack is bought, the fighter in question _does not actually exist_ in the game's data; and one can't exactly implement something that doesn't exist, now can they?
A big Sephiroth against Sora teamwork with Duck Hunt and Cloud
Don’t they have code for certain spirit battles that change based on what dlc you have?
@@maxspecs Yes, but that's only for Spirits and Mii costumes. And as far as I know, it only applies towards the Cuphead and Mugman battles.
The way I understood stage 4 is that you're fighting Ventus, Aqua, and Terra in Land of Departure since little male Robin is small (like Ventus), medium female Robin is normal sized (like Aqua), and big male Robin represents Terra. The stained glass of Kalos league is very reminiscent of Land of Departure too, and their mix between sword and magic attacks makes me think this is what it was alluding to.
Makes sense and sora has fought all 3 (ventus armor nightmare, anti aqua and terranort)
@@mastertyler8971 Sora didn't fight the Ventus Armour, Riku did.
@@mastertyler8971 The Armored Ventus Nightmare is _Sora himself,_ though
As much as I want the Kalos fight to be the Norts, it’s pretty much confirmed to be Xion, Roxas, and Axel due to Xion”s spirit battle.
I think they're more so non-specific Organization XIII members(Due to Robin's coat). Because Axel and Roxas are represented by Roy and Ultimate Sora, respectively.
@@JLuisJoni Not in Xion’s fight they aren’t. They have specific fighting patterns like the big one only using arch flame.
I think it's more Vexen (normal m!Robin, because people _looks down on him_ despite his rank, thus a visual cue), Marluxia (large Robin, because tol people in charge is a common visual trope) and Larxene (female Robin, obviously). Also, Kalos Pokémon League represents Castle Oblivion, which is not really associated with Xion and _especially_ Roxas (the kid only entered the place once, and he barely went past the entrance door before blacking out at that). Also, I don't really Sakurai and co. would be recycling the same reference twice for the same pack
Don’t forget that we got the gummi ship music for the credits, which is pretty perfect too, also definitely think that ganon is darkside, he’s a bit too big to be Xehanort in my opinion, plus the song and stage further compliment the darkside thing
You should of added the spirit Bored References, that would of made my day :)
That video is coming!
It's a long stretch, but I like to believe the Master and Crazy Hands are a reference to the Master of Masters.
A figure whose been pulling the strings from the background this whole time, and the hands names "Master" and "Crazy" both are descriptors that could apply to the MoM. With this in mind, it gets me hype for when the future arrives for us to face down against the Master in person
Valid af
In every instance we see of MoM, his thought process is always out there and extremely unconventional, so its not out of the realm of possibility. We do know that he has his reasons for it, but they're hella crazy and unfathomable
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Honestly, it kind of scares me when I remember that we haven't actually SEEN the Master of Masters fight anyone and he's supposedly the strongest Keyblade Master of all time. Considering some of the stuff that some other Keyblade Masters are able to do (mainly Xehanort and the Foretellers) it's honestly terrifying when you think of what's gonna happen when he DOES end up fighting someone.
(Also, kinda hoping that in the next KH game where we play as Sora, there's a secret fight against MoM where you just find him, no words are spoken and he just summons a Keyblade and starts fighting with his theme playing in the background. He honestly doesn't need a unique battle theme, his own theme would work just as well for him in a boss fight)
It would’ve been funny that Duck Hunt should be your team mate during this route.
My first thought was also that Giant Ganondorf was Master Xehanort but I actually think it's supposed to be Darkside. The platform does look like the Keyblade Graveyard, but given Ganondorf's size, the fact that Destiny's Force plays, and the fact that the stage ALSO looks very similar to the floating "island" thingy with the giant ball of darkness floating overhead from the Darkside fight when Destiny Islands is being destroyed, my conclusion was it's a reference to Darkside.
I also wonder if the fight against Metal Sora could be Sora's Heartless from Coded, or even his "shadow" from KH1 that appeared in the intro (and turns into Darkside) and in Neverland.
I think the master and crazy hands at the end of the classic route are in reference to the way master Xehanort moves his hands when casting spells. They're also white like his gloves!
the bigger G&W reminded me of Mega/Giga Shadow Heartless, and then the Giant Ganondorf reminded me of a Darkside more than Xehanort (tho I did think it was Xehanort at first lol) and then the Master/Crazy fight just fits that overall fight for balance between Light and Darkness (both hands being mass produced by Galeem and Dharkon in World of Light) And of course, the credits are the gummi ship sections of KH1
I thought that for the larger game & watch as well
I wish it wasn't Master and Crazy Hand as the final boss for Sora's classic route. They are just so repetitive to fight against over and over again, but his classic mode picture is just awesome.
My opinion on what they are
Fight 1: I agree
Fight 2: should be a reference to the Heartless before you fight
Fight 3: Cloud and I agree
Fight 4: I actually think they are Roxas, Axel and Xion as the big Robin does more fire moves and the boy and girl Robin’s who are smaller try to replicate Sora’s moveset with the magic and sword moves
Fight 5: I agree
Fight 6: kinda true cause if it really is then how come it isn’t the DDD Sora alt?
Fight 7: hmm still mad they couldn’t chose anything else
The last fight should've been that giant Ganondorf since Darkside is a recurring boss fight throughout the games.
The Hands could actually be a reference to the Dark Figure guardian that stays behind Ansem during your fight at the End of the World’s Destiny Islands in Kingdom Hearts! The arena looks like a broken up Destiny Islands. Dark Figure has huge hands that constantly grab at you and hit you, and it shoots out dark rings that hurt you (like how Master and Crazy Hands shoot gold rings at you). I feel confident that this is what that is a reference to, it’s just meant to be less obvious to get you really thinking.
Sora is basically world of light summed up as a character but with a touch
I like to jokingly think that the master hand and crazy hand represent Xehanort's gloves.
Long story short, the final boss of Sora's route is a pair of gloves who just so happen to be owned by the main villain of Kingdom Hearts.
Fighting both Master & Crazy Hands could be referring to how Sora can defy the hand(s) of fate...
Both within his own series, and the whole making it into Smash thing he did...
It's crazy how much love went into this!
5:32 this is actually a reference to Mickey mouse's gloves and how Sora is finally escaping the clutches of Disney and is now joining smash bros
You know, thats the kind of thigns I Love of Nintendo and Smash bros, they focus on all details. Games like MVC3 by Capcom has this details for their characters, for example: Dante´s double jump has the iconic sound, either Vergil Judgment cut has its characteristic sound, but Smash Bros focus a lot in this kind of things. That´s why many people got amused with Sora valor form pose. Greetings Pal from Mexico.
I still feel like I'm dreaming!! Sora is actually in Smash! Damn!! 🤗
There is so many references and they are great.
Sakurai is a true fan. Thank you sir
I love how excited HMK is (I mean I am as well but he’s more excited than me I can tell 😊)
The last fight against metal sora is also an awesome callback to smash 64s classic route end where you would fight metal mario in a similar aesthetic stage. Awesome that they brought it back for the last smash fighter.
I think that having Master and Crazy hand as the boss fight is kinda justified this time. I find poetic that the LAST smash fighter has to defeat the FIRST boss fight in smash history
I joked that Master Hand and Crazy Hand were Mickey Mouse’s gloves for Sora’s classic mode
3:12 in my opinion I feel like this is a reference to Organization 13 and Castle Oblivion from Re:CoM
I believe that in the 2nd fight, the stage SkyWorld is a reference to the gates of Olympus where when trailers for kingdom hearts 3 first seen show this place a lot for fighting hordes of heartless
i thought the 3 robins were like the nobodies that you fight as roxas in dive to heart in kh2 I mean he is sora's nobody so it would make sense to be in sora's classic mode but could be anything else
I'm not sure if you already know this, but one last thing about Classic Mode I thought was cool is that when Sora is going through the credit shooter sequence, they use the Gummy Ship theme, as opposed to one of the more iconic songs like Simple and Clean, or Hollow Bastion.
It warms my heart to see so many references in Kingdom Hearts into SMASH
Theory on the master hand boss could be a reference on a future fight against Masters of Masters (MoM) in one of the upcoming KH series.
The thing that bothers me is that Sora’s classic mode route doesn’t have Duck Hunt as an ally
The Master Hand and Crazy Hand is probably a reference to old man Xenahort's wiggly fingers habit. lol
I almost wondered if they decided to use the Master Hand fight, not as a reference to Kingdom Hearts, but more for a reference to the Sora Smash reveal trailer. Where when darkness came, everybody was changed back to the Figurines, but the light of Sora making them active again.
i think the robin refrenceis to roxas , ventus ,and xion since all of them share soras heart
Duckhunt duo as a teammember would also be a good reference
At first I thought giant ganon was meant to represent darkside, but then I realized that if it were darkside they probably would’ve used a giant dark incineroar instead.
the armored Sora could also be a reference to Sora fighting Ventus in his mind in KH2.
Pretty sure the 3 robin fight is supposed to be ventus, roxas and xion which are all part of his own heart at some point, and the area looks like the dive to the heart area from kindom hearts which could connect it to all characters with sora
I feel like Dark Link and Dark Young Link could also be a nod to how Sora was turned into Heartless (a Shadow) and eventually developed his Dark or Anti form. Since it takes place in Hollow Bastion, Dark Young Link/Shadow Sora makes some sense.
Sakurai did a recreation of the dearly beloved 3 main menu artwork drawing at the final moment in the end credits
I honestly think the fight against a metal sora is a bit more symbolic. It’s Sora fighting the darkness within his own heart, hence you fighting in Dive into the Heart.
I was hoping you’d do this video!
Dude I think you’re wrong about the nort court there’s 2 males and one female robin one of the males is bigger representing terra the smaller males is representing ven and the female is representing aqua the stage is the land of departure
I didnt consider that, not gonna lie
Although there are alt colors that could have better suited all three of them if that were the case.
My though is that the female is Larxene, since she uses Thunder magic, and since one of the males uses Fire, that could be Axel.
Leading me to believe its either a Re: Chain of Memories reference, and the stage is Castle Oblivion, or that it could be either Garden of Assemblage
And I thought the three Robins were the nobodies.
The master hand is xehanort wiggling his hands all the time
The hands at the end of the route are a reference to Disney and Square Enix fighting for keeping Sora out of smash c:
I don't think I ever knew Nightmare Armor was Sora. And now thanks to you, I have the perfect idea for a super mode for KH3DS Sora.
When thinking of a super mode system for smash, I was thinking Final form would be Sora's super mode. But some might say Final form is weaker than Ultimate form even though the former is a fusion. Thanks this revelation, I was thinking that Sora would have a different super mode depending on the costume.
KH1/Timeless River: Shadow Sora
KH2/Valor Form: Final form (or Master form for diversity)
KH3DS/Wisdom Form: Nightmare armor
KH3/Ultimate form: Double Form
3:10 i believe its not about the Xehanort/Xemnas fight.
look again at the Mosaique looking stage, it looks like the intro where you choose your Class and also it reminds of the 3 hearts like Sora/Ventus/Roxas , this fight more likeli represents the heart of Sora itself
Round 2 is probably just all shadows from a bunch of different sizes. Shadows come in like 2-3 sizes
I think the first fight is actually supposed to be Ansem and Riku, Riku being young Link, and Ansem being Adult Link
I honestly think the multiple Mr Game and Watches are a nod to Shadow's and Giga Shadow's found in Wonderland of KH1.
True Giga Shadow's only show up there but I think it works.
@HMK The Robins being Org13 at Castle Oblivion makes sense to me since there's 1 female Robin. And giant Ganondorf in the wasteland-looking level is definitely Darkside at Destiny Islands since the ground all broken up looks nearly the same.
I'm pretty sure round 4 is a fight against Xion, Roxas, and Axel, seeing as how female Robin and the male Robin next to her are both small and the other Robin next to them is bigger. I believe this combination of Robin is also in Xion's spirit battle. Even if it isn't that, I don't think it's a reference to the Keyblade War of KH3 especially because I imagine you would fight all 13 Org members and it would be on the Find Mii stage instead. Also that Ganondorf fight is definitely a reference to Darkside on the destroyed floating remains of Destiny Islands.
Dark Link and Dark Yink might actually be a reference to Ansem controlling Riku at Hollow Bastion. Not my idea but I feel like it should be said.
Master and Crazy hand are Mickey's gloves but thats all we get from the copyright mouse
I'm going to take the Master and Crazy Hand fight as a nod to Guard Armor and Opposite Armor. They had other enemies at the end of the classic route they could have used like the giant robot or the dragon to be similar to Kurt Zisa or Maleficient. I mean they fit pretty well together in terms of bosses and as much as I would adore having the dragon to represent Maleficent, it's more fitting to have a boss who represents the heartless who are the mascot enemy of the franchise.
Firstly, it could be argued that the Link and Young Link fight could reference the two Dark Riku fights. With Young Link being Dark Riku, and Link being Ansem-Riku, respectively. In Hollow Bastion, it makes sense as a KH1 reference.
The three Robins, in my opinion, is actually meant to be the Garden of Assemblage. Either from KH2 or KH3. True, it could be Nort Court, but there's evidence to suggest otherwise.
Female Robin is Thunder version, making me think of Larxene. And one of the Male Robins is Fire, hence an Axel data fight reference. The other one could be Xemnas, Young Xehanort or Xigbar, if were sticking with that idea. The Kalos Pokemon League area is churchlike, so it could be referencing KH2's Castle Oblivion hallway leading to the Garden of Assemblage itself. If its a KH3 reference, the KH3 Data Garden still makes sense.
The Giant Ganondorf fight is meant to be a Darkside fight (citing Re: Chain of Memories and Re:Coded for this one, where in both Sora is on a floating island while Darkside tries to wreck him).
Continuing with Re:Coded being cited, fighting metal Sora is the Mirror Match in Re:Coded, at the end of the game, where Sora's Heartless becomes a Sora clone.
Could also be a KH1 ref of Sora fighting Riku's Manifested Sora Shadow, as well. Either way, both of those are "vs. self" fights, where you have to be creative and outwit the opponent to win. Im not opposed to the Armored Nightmare Ventus theory though.
Also of note, while messing with Sora in vs fights in solo Smash mode, i came across a reference they could have used but likely might have gotten in trouble for. Giant Ridley with the purple alt could have been a neat KH1 vs Dragon Maleficent fight reference. Purple and green is a very obvious color similarity 😏
I think the nort court ref would be more accurate if sora had two allies during that stage of the run
I kinda saw fighting master hand and crazy hand as Sora fighting 'the hands of fate'
Like the time traveling, bringing people back in exchange for his own life. So fighting fate. XD I dun know
The medal sora I think it references anti-sora
I think the three Robins in the 4th stage are Roxas, Axel and Xion, if I remember correctly Xion's spirit battle is very similar to this stage
So second theory behind the game and watch, he was a direct creation from shadow bugs, in smash bros brawl
Hear me out... Master hand and crazy hand are a reference to the chess game that we see play out in KH3
Honestly I think his boss fights should've been Galleom because he kinda looks like one of those big armored heartless.
Definitely leaning towards the giant Ganondorf fight being a reference to the Darkside fight in KH1. Also, the Game & Watch invasion, to me personally, should've taken place on the Tortimer Island stage. They even show it in Sora's final screenshot so it's obvious that the stage is a stand-in for Destiny Islands. Not sure why they chose Skyworld but I do have a theory; Maybe Skyworld was chosen to further reference how Olympus was portrayed in the more recent KH3 since you don't go to the coliseum at all in that one.
Cloud really should've been in his OG FF7 outfit but I suppose I kinda get it from Sakurai's perspective... He's clearly an Advent Children fanboy so I think he really just wanted to use that Cloud out of preference rather than trying to be faithful to the original KH. Either way, the reference still hits home and works. It's Sora Vs. Cloud in a Totally-Not-Olympus stage in Smash Bros. I'd say that's as good as it can really get, and it's all you could ever really ask for. Let Sakurai have his preferences. :P
Some folks believe the metal Sora is a reference to the Roxas boss fight in II
That make sense 100%
I’ve found a handful of references with Sora outside of classic mode. Sora P4 in stamina battle 1v1 against LV 9 Male Byleth on Fourside’s omega form (you’ll want to turn the volume down and play Nachtflügel for this one).
I do like your ideas of what the references could be, if you want my honest opinion I see Sora’s classic mode as his journey to KH3.
Starting from the first in Hallow Bastion, the music is Fragments of Sorrow which plays in the Dive to the Heart which is also in the smash stage so it’s at the tutorial of Kingdom Hearts 1, the Links can be interpreted as Sora's shadow as Young Link and Darkside as BOTW Link.
Second is definitely Destiny Islands of fighting Shadows with the music giving it away
Round Three is obvious with fighting Cloud in Olympus, however Four and Five is confusing with having Organization 13 members and lasted a giant Gannondorf, the music in Four definitely tells me it’s Castle Oblivion (plus one of the Robins is female) but is Gannon Xemnas? It’s difficult to tell with the music and stage is a Behemoth. But another part of me thinks it could be Lingering Will due to the stage, so I’ll leave it up to anyone’s guess.
And finally Armoured Nightmare, a great final fight before we get to the title screen art of Kingdom Hearts 3 (oh and Master Hand and Crazy Hand are there for possibly Sakurai trying to get him into smash maybe.)
I'm pretty sure it's not the nort court and actually just a fight against organization 13, giant Gannon was definitely a darkside reference, and metal Sora is more like the dark Sora's that Riku summons in Neverland in kh1 or dark mode reference in kh2 and kh3
The Hands reminds me of Xheanorts Hands with his strang gueser in BBS or DDD.
I feel like if the Mr. G&W's were meant to represent the Heartless attacking Destiny Island, the stage would actually be one of the actual island stages and not Skyworld. Maybe the scene may actually be a reference to the Olympus Colosseum? I don't know what goes on there, though, nor do I know any other worlds that take place in the sky, since I don't know KH in general aside from the beginning in Destiny Island and a little bit afterward in Traverse Town.
Nothing will stop Sora from crossing to other worlds here's hoping that playstation all stars gets a remake he'd fit perfectly in there to and maybe a DreamWorks world in a future kh game
I'd rather have Sora's last round in classic route be a beefed up Sephiroth, but meh Master and Crazy Hand for the 1,000th time I guess.
sadly seph is dlc so everyone would need to have him, but I for one would want seph to be the penultimate fight and master and crazy hand be for the final boss since he's travelled to the "smash world" and sealed it's keyhole, this isn't about sora or smash but sora IN smash, so it's fitting he's fighting them both, would have been cooler if it was in the dive to the heart but then would make less sense in terms of referencing canon, final destination is the embodiment of smash in terms of location, with both hands and final destination being all about light and darkness, and "fiction", the embodiment of the realms represented in KH, like the between of all realms
I won’t lie, until you noted the face it was a metal Sora, my first thought was that it was referencing the Roxas fight near the end of KH2 in The World That Never Was.
I think Giant Ganon is indeed Master Xehanort, but it's not KH3 Nort, it's BBS Nort.
I say the Metal Sora fight as the Armored Nightmare is correct.
But I also can see it as the fight against Sora's Heartless from Re:Coded.
The Ganondorf is darkside and I think the three Robin's are roxas axel and xion though you don't fight all three in any of the games it could be more of a reference than an actual moment.
IMO, The Dark Links represent the two fights against Dark Riku in Hollow Bastion.
I always assumed Robin's fight was Roxas,Axel,And Xion
I was kinda hoping that Ganon and Dracula would be bosses in his Campaign mode. You know, light vs dark?
I know this sound stupid but I think master hand and crazy hand are xehanort because he’s the only character that does crazy movement with his hands that I can think of.
Obviously the MH and CH fight is Sora fighting Mickey for the right to appear in Smash.
04:15 dude all I see is the darkside on a destroyed destiny island
I think the dark links is supposed to be the organization XIII Nobodies
Now for the Robin's I lead you to the spirit battle for xion and its the exact same
Around 5:00 you mentioned the fight was a reference to Riku fighting the unversed armored Ventus looking Sora. I beg to differ. I would wager it's more in reference to Sora's fight against Yozora in Kingdom Hearts 3. First, the order in which the battles are done wouldn't line up with Riku fighting unversed armored Sora, but Yozora would fit the bill since you fight him AFTER you defeat old man Xehanort. Secondly, Sora's name means day-lite sky, and Yozora means night. The creators have mentioned the characters are mirror reflections of each other from an opposing spectrum, Sora is more lite hearted, childish, and always down for fun, while Yozora is a brooding depressing sad sack who may smirk at dark humor and given the fact he is more hardened in his heart than Sora that would hint to the metallic sheen of the final character Sora faces in Smash, or to simply make it more difficult than it should be since Yozora is arguably the toughest boss in the game. Lastly, Sora never fought unversed armored Sora, RIKU fought that battle. However, since Sora is the FINAL character reveal in smash and not YOZORA, the best they could do without creating more work and legal juggling licenses was to create the dark looking metal Sora... Thank you for reading my ted talk.
As an add on, I believe the master hand may be a wink to something that has yet to come. Such as a fight with the "Masters of masters", the man or entity that has been "pulling the strings" of this entire ordeal from the FAR beginning... or could just be Smash's ultimate challenge for Sora.
Could the 3 Robins be a nod to the trio from advent children that brought Sephiroth back?
I think sky world is where xehanort lives
Love the reference video
I thought Sky World was supposed to represent Hercule’s world