why rap music is terrible now
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I’m an engineer and this is 100% the reason the art has gone to trash
Has it tho?
@@stepans2167 you lack perspective if this statement is difficult to understand.
@@stepans2167Yes. Yes it has.
Explain yourselves. There's plenty of good music nowadays. Plenty of crap as well, but who cares about that
@@fleshtonegolem I don't lack perspective. I'm a nerd, I listen to so much stuff, old and new.
beat makers complaining about low effort generic repetitive music while flooding the internet with identical trap beats using VST presets, loop packs, midi packs, and drum samples 😭 the audacity
The interesting part about that notion is those same rappers ask for what u describe. If it's not within that set parameter u're suddenly weird or borderline ass in their opinion.
"Beat makers" and then proceeds to describe one type of beat maker (DAW users), and then one genre of beats, and then smaller and smaller minorities of beat makers who use certain tools. This isn't a own you just described the people who don't complain about this.
being lazy is the new not being lazy
I was wondering why modern flows be straight up garbage. Now I know.
This is what they used to call a "Scratch" track
as a rapper who has pre-written 95% of my released music, i can say there is something about catching a vibe while you're recording which can lead to on the cuff changes. different vocal inflections, improv lines etc... but having the written material to reference is really helpful. I always respect the hell out of another rapper when i see that they write their songs out, its sadly rare nowadays.
Nuances and subject matter is totally different.. if u already got your subject matter in tact you can "what if I dribble this way.. or what if I bounce the ball off his head." Cuz your foundation is there... and that's the problem.. in a world of content creation... people lack content and wing it.. or worst steal content... hence the insert new face nature of todat...but the audience made it not matter so there's that... people are starting to demand better tho.
I’ve been saying this and no one listens to me
It's because you wrote it down and no one knows how to read anymore as well
Bro who are you
who the hell told these guys that punch-in recording had anything to do with lyrical skill?
when u gone talk about that kyle beats video where someone "stole" a loop from a free sample pack.
😂😂😂
Kyle beats also wanted a check from ishowspeed(streamer) because he was making a beat on fl studio....what a clown
Bro i hate when mothafuckaz show up unprepared and "freestyle" a verse/song cuz they think they got it like lil Wayne 😂😂 and we gotta sit there like " ya bro that was dope" 😂😂😂
The mumbling in the studio is intentional. A lot of rappers will lay down a flow or pattern while mumbling and use that as a blueprint for lyrics and timing.
exactly
They aren't making them look dumb they filmed what they we're doing & it just so happened they looked foolish in the process 😂😂😂
Seeing Just Blaze and Killa Mike on the co-sign is ill. The way to not waste studio time writing a song, is to not write the song in the studio. Email an artist a track, they can listen to it and write to it anywhere in the world. Have that shit worked out before you go to the booth. But, punch in? I suppose, though. I can remember at the height of smartphones and blackberrys, there were artists that said “I use my phone. I don’t use paper and pen. Nobody does that anymore”. That was wack too, though😂😂
The rappers that kids think are great today would've been considered garbage in the 90's. Intelligence, creativity & innovation is now frowned upon. All followers. No leaders. People are afraid to be original because they won't be accepted unless they are carbon copy clones. These kids know nothing about hip hop. It's embarrassing.
I believe it got pigeonholed for the attempt we're living through. Millions of people give u a decade of rapping the same way is a algorithm in itself. .. one voice so to speak.
I can still listen to Wu Tang albums to this day and pick up on clever phrases or lyrics that I never noticed before - the gift that keeps on giving. I'm convinced they put in some planning and effort - I think the writing is self evident. Fast forward to today's artists, and I just hear dumb shit repeated. Rap didn't evolve - it died and began to decay. Let me know who the intelligent artists are these days, because I don't want to just hear a big beat and twerk my ass in a strip club, I'm actually interested in hearing an interesting message or story. Even Eminem had funny stories back in the Slim Shady days. Who am I missing out on these days by not listening to rap anymore, according to the rest of you?
joeyy
Not many good writers apart from Em and Kendrick, they really get metaphorical with it..I listen to older rap like Mac Dre/Andre Nikatina tale of two Andres great trax on that album
Ghetts
Coast Contra - Never free style - when Jamal comes in at 3:08
@@xanderlurks OK I enjoyed that, though mostly Boast .. Contra :P
If any young kids want to know what real rap is, watch Black Thought's 11 min freestyle on Hot 97.
Yall yt ppl love saying hip hop trash this rapper trash that but tune in and listen everyday.
I'm a black man saying it's trash.
@@jbizz80 tf is your point? Explain genius
@@saucebyte3196 My point is, what does his race have to do with the video topic?
juice is the only one who could do this right, arguably
You must be smoking sherm
3:08 benefit of the doubt, he may be scatting to get a feel for the track before laying down anything.
The funniest thing as an engineer recording people that don’t write, was when they would try to do doubles, it was horrible and different. Maybe that’s why less rappers nowadays even do dubs. I also think studio time has gotten so cheap, people book a session just to maybe come up with something cool.
The best was when artist came prepared and rehearsed.
put the fries in the bag oldman😂😂😂
Punching in absolutely existed when they were using tape.
Not in the wing it fashion of today. The music speaks for itself either way.
@@freshestinclass763 No your right, I'm just saying you could still punch in using tape. I think today's issue is more laziness than anything else.
@@chubbyboy2242 yes its disgusting.. like I seriously wanna chalk it up to getting older but the shit is legit trash.
@@freshestinclass763 💯
Exactly. One of my engineering teachers loved talking about how good he was at punching in back in the day, how hard it was because there was a slight delay between pressing the button and the recording.
The last grade post hip-hop album was really Edans beauty and the beat. The lyricism on that albums off the hook.
Like almost anything else, it comes down to how it’s used. Some people do this to capture spontaneous ideas and flesh out songs (that first take can be magic), while some do one lazy ass run thru and expect the producer or engineer to make a song out of it
Same thing happens in design/art industry with all this AI getting romanization of refusing to put it effort. They call laziness: “Work smarter not harder” they call it now when generating shit instead of trying creating your own
I write every single day. I'll go through 5-10 different beats in the process of writing one song. By the time it's all said and done I have the whole song memorized, I've gotten time to play with different deliveries and different voicing. It really allows me to mold the song into exactly what I want it to be. To each their own, but blood sweat and tears will always be my method. Anything else just feels a bit soulless.
Can we talk about how this has led to the engineers having to be Superman while recording while the rapper spits shitty freestyles yelling “go back and punch me in there” every 4 bars and getting pissed when it’s not done fast enough while they smoke their shitty weed
I mean this is how i write... i fo back and forward in the song buy i end up writing it down instead of recprding bit by bit. I find it difficult to write in the studio like everybody else... they have the beat playing in the backround while sitting in the couch for 20 min and boom to the mic both they go... without my ears bleeding if im not tweaking it.
I cant do that.
Really should write tho because you'll have multiple takes of scratch and never go back to listen to the previous to learn what to take away and add to the final piece vs if you would've wrote it down and came to record you would've knocked it out immediately. The only thing that's improved is the groove of the flow to where it sounds as natural as talking but you can also talk a lot about nothing which is most of it.
I love Veeze fr 💀 crazy to watch how he does it
you need to find god , or something
@@billysanchez-eh6nn fk that😈
I stopped listening to hip hop in 2008/09.
Glad some rap trends didn't reach Russia
We don't need to eat that s**t, we just eat kasha
Mumbling the words is not my cup of tea
Let me download another thousand VST
lol, cyka v chom dela... ayyy. I got my Russian rap playlist, I enjoy it, even if I only understand 10% of the words. Rhyme flow/rhythm is more obvious when the words mean nothing :P Peace
I'm an engineer also and this is a major problem when it comes to be ever ready they are not
I'm modern. I write bars. Well. Just saying. 😎
Let's agree on "a different typ of art form"
Jay-Z always has and always will be one of the most trash over hyped rappers of all time. I might even say the greatest to ever do it. Dumpster fire.
Fr
He minding his business. Mind yours and you too can be successful.
He has a few good songs and A LOT of really bad songs.
The biggest facts. Been arguing this same point for 20 years. Jay is just an okay rapper fr. His marketing and business acumen is what’s genius if we being fr.
@@ArkaydeTheSage agreed
writing lyrics is the way i can connect my thoughts to the universe i truly don't understand why people don't find the joy in writing+memorizing+reciting smfh
Rap music is still great, you just have to know where to look....It's harder to find.
Lloyd Banks' last album (2023) was a masterpiece.
ChatGPT rappers
ChatGPT would actually give them bars. Good ones too. This is brainless shoesize IQ shit these guys are doing on the mic.
i didn't even write this comment
Lol I could use a ghostwriter for YT comments
They just don't understand
I can tell ya Denzel Curry probably doesn't do this
No rapper with good bars does this, that's the thing.
he actually talked a lot about going off the dome on Unlocked and Zuu on some interviews, but yeah, most of his stuff is definitely written
This explains SO MUCH.
3:05 - I see a lot of people ignorant of the recording process (People whom never been in contact with music production/recording side of things) confused and dismissive when they see these rapper's studio sessions come out, They're mumbling to come up with a flow and to get the tone of their voice proper for the line they're about to record, The same way a singer will Hum a melody or whistle before writing it down or performing a take. of course old-heads from other genre's will take any chance they can get to show their hate for rap & rappers alike, When they dont even consume it. Rap has taken over America and just like punching in its here to stay sort of how like mixing in the box has been for the new generation of mixing and mastering engineers which we all know also angers the old gear-heads on gear-space.
And also punching-in is perfectly fine. If lil-wayne which is arguably one of the best lyricists of our generation made it work and made multiple platinum+ records, then who cares whether its written down or not, and if it lowers the barrier of entry for non-lyrical rapper then who cares its just more selection for the listeners.
I just don't compare the commercial clubby rap to the more roots style hip-hop we do. I don't hate on it either, because at the end of the day hate isn't productive. And even some of the more commercial shit I like, I liked a decent bit of We Still Don't Trust You, Metro being a super dope producer helps... But if mfs really feel so strongly about the state of the music/culture, do something about it, don't sit around and whine about it.
you are wrong, but we all have the right to be wrong.
The mumbling to get the flow part is actually true tho. But people used to do that at home before the studio was a a place to hang out and come up with your stuff.
I think the issue comes in the shift of responsibility for the creation of the thing, if a rapper comes to the studio, does the flow thing to get the sense of it, with someone else producing the track, them does add lyrics or fix the take of them mumbling a vague tone, why are they the to begin with, I think it's a reason why producers started actually getting tagged in songs like "prod. Joe" or something which I think is actually an improvement over the past, if the rapper is also making the beat I don't really have a problem with it
But in the end you can complain about trends day or try to actually find and support the people who are doing what you respect in music, plenty of people put effort into their shit, make your goal to find it, like I learned about $ilkmoney not long ago, insane lyrics
This is why a lot of modern day rappers suck 😂😂
It's like Rick Beato is haunting this comment section
I think like writing isn't the only way to do lyrics, there is always just doing multiple takes
Based Weaver. Writing is the key, you can use the trashiest snare and still sound fire AF if the writing is good.
Stopped free styling. I mean originally hip-hop was late 70s early 80s Funk music with the MC tie lyricist and singer and then post hip-hop became this sampled thing that has the same elements of the MC with the kind of same lyrics and then you have the mid-80s post hip-hop they got more intricate sampling and started to introduced to lyricism thing and then you got the whole 90s thing where the freestyle in the turntable list and all that stuff evolved.
Thanks Weaves, this is motivational, good to see the bar is lower than I thought lol
It's depressing.
3:17 he founding his flow u headahj
nga’s fingers didn’t know how to type on a keyboard
Rapping or not, making music or not - everyone should write. Document your thoughts. Let it spill out. You never know, you might have a book in you - or some epic bars
The avarage quality of rap lyrics went down the drain as this became normal for rappers. But some will say "you just don't get it". Yeah, right.
I bet most of this people wouldn't be able to write something good anyways, so no real difference for them.
These are people who were born in 2010.
Thats where the learning disabilty kids ran off too..
The method is not bad it's just a bunch of people who are bad forcing it because you can get through the song.
Shit is tragic.
Do the rap-to-country grift next.
Amazing thing to see people claim the the best way to do something is to not do what the best people to ever do the thing have done. And do it all from a place of ignorance while being maximally confident that they're right. Humanity is fucked.
I hate punch in recording and writing ...
I write ALL THE TIME
rick beato so vindicated
Thanks Weaver.
As someone who grew up on hip hop, this is so sad. Fortunately, Kendrick was in none of those clips.
Busy Weaver Blaming
weaver, you girl is spittin bars
She did say "RATTLESNAKE"
Nah I disagree. None of you guys is sitting down at a desk with feather and ink writing down your tracks on sheet music before you go creating tracks, that would be insane. You just sit behind the computer and do whatever comes to mind.
I mean.. look at BTS.. or BLACKPINK.. or any Pop group or artist that ever made it BIG.. like REALLY BIG.
rappers see that and be like "so.. I work my azz off trying to create art.. and yall making these people who dont even write their own music, famous?"
why would anyone respect an audience that made BTS famous.. why would any rapper not treat their audience like shiz after that.
during the best era of rap which is the 90s.. pop singers used to sing WITHOUT autotune.. even if they didn't write their own lyrics.
at least there was something left to respect them.. but the moment T-pain introduced this god awful tool to everyone. it was over.
the LAST THING that rappers actually respected POP singers for.. was gone.. there was nothing left to respect.
so why would a rapper keep being at the top of his artistically creative game.. when his audience is giving world wide fame..
to pop singers and pop groups who do not have anything respectable about them anymore.
no writing is excusable in pop but autotune is too far.
ella fitzgerald, nat king cole and billie holiday also rarely wrote their own lyrics
but they were such vocal talents that it was perfectly fine.. cause there is something to RESPECT about them
that NO RAPPER CAN DO.. but if the pop singer using autotune.. what is the difference between Travis Scott and Camila Cabello anymore? nothing
so why write.. just be another pop artist under the pseudo-umbrella of RAP and make your money and go home to watch the next episode of whatever
with a belly full of popcorn and coca cola.. F it. life is over. art is ded.
Editing punch in recordings is so ass. Babytron's engineer's gotta be rich with the amount of time he's putting in
I don’t get it lmao area ya’ll saying that when you pre-write something you aren’t doing it to a beat? Cuz if so of course that will cause problems 😂 unless you just doing a Soulja boy flow or something lmao my faith in humanity and hip hop dwindling big time
Dr. Evil: "Art".
makes sense, might be flex if it was ever coherent.
yeah we can tell but it doesn’t matter to me they playing with their money i don’t listen to trash music and don’t buy it
that's not a lot of compression at all
The comments make me sick... you can lazily write just like you can punch-in/not write with complexity, Plenty examples of both and everything in between. Rap music is "terrible" now because people lack creativity and mindfulness; it doesn't matter how you record.
Nah we stopped writing, - Rap turns to shit
edit: How about standing up when you record
Thats why Mainstream hip hop is kinda a$$
You can thank Lil Wayne for that.
You don't write, your soul isn't in it. There's a lot less care and therefore lazy
Way to solidify your oldhead demographic 😐
I not trying to mean but I think a lot of these rapper’s probably can’t read or write.
wtf doechii you were supposed to represent the rap game😭
The clip of Veeze LOOOOL terrible lmndjdonejjfjdosmdnndjsbdjdjdjdb
Call it what it is, which is Mumble Rap, We reached Rap heights with Eminem and 2Pac and its basically been downhill ever since.
I would say the heights of rapping just came with the 80s, 90s and early 2000s in general
(MF doom is, when it comes to technical ability, a better writer than both of them btw)
@@Sergio-nb4hj Ofcourse however I can only talk on My perspective, the favourite rap I listened to was Nas, Eminem, Dr Dre, K West, Timbaland, 2pac, Outkast, Ice cube and several others but by 2006 I stepped listening to USA rap and switched entirely to UK Rap which at the time had way more tallented and unique rappers then what I was hearing from USA. This was also the same time I started making beats.
Yea,U can go ahead and call me old man Beato now I guess coz I'm hating this. Although I was never down with what was in the mainstream I guess.
Lalararraonemoretimeyeahloo
It’s always been shit
Yeah people aint using pens that must be why rap is shit 😂😂😂 thalking the same nonsense sins the 80s we poor we hustle we catch bodies we shot yo ass! Bla bla bla I’m so creative 📚💤💪🪩 bars !! 🤦♂️
I really do not buy this idea that the reason why rap "sucks" is because they don't write their raps as much as they used to. As much as lyrical content matters in regards to hip hop, most of you who think it sucks now aren't even into the sonic aesthetics anyway, but I'm supposed to believe that if they wrote down their raps they'd be better to y'all??? Not buying it.
Lupe
Black thought
Rapsody
Kidd Kidd
Rakim
Kendrick
NAS
Common
We got some legends in the game, holding jt down
The rest are trash.
Future
Gucci
Central Cee
Nicki Minaj
Megan
Yachty
All trash
The black community didn’t even celebrate NF doom when he died. Even if you just want to associate this kind of music with them, I mean they didn’t even celebrate him and I don’t even consider him anything. DUMILE
Why try harder when the audience accepts all this bullshit anyway
Face it - it's clowns for clowns. Hopeless culture, hopeless people. You can learn more from watching paint dry.
We like the beats..... nobody cares wtf they actually say
this is why yte bois shouldn’t talk abt rap music lol u a #outsider
This video and comment section is the reason why we need to stop handing out invitations to the “cookout”
BROTHER IM SAYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT MAKES ME SICK.