I would upgrade if Microsoft did not have such a dumb requirement for Windows 11. Windows 11 requirements are purposely made to make more capable PCs end up as E-waste.
I think you can use Rufus to write windows to an empty sd card to install to your pc, make sure you select bypass tpm requirement and possibly not to require online registration. The risk will be with major updates, whether any might detect old hardware and stop the system functioning, but that's just a guess with a worst case scenario
Windows 11 is a dog. After promising that Windows 10 was the last version, MS tried to convince users to buy new hardware to upgrade to.....the same OS with a minor graphical update. They didn't anticipate that users were smart enough to reject this ploy. Now MS is stuck constantly updating a "new" OS hovering at only 26% of the Windows marketshare while constantly fearmongering to Windows 10 users, who make up 70% of their userbase. 10 year old hardware can run Windows 11 just fine, yet MS wants you to increase e-waste and throw out your old PC. MS still thinks they're the only kid on the block with an OS. Times have changed. We don't need MS.
Yeah, 2016 i have bought a i7 6700K that isn't supported on Win 11, even if my Mainboard does software based TPM 2.0 i can't install it. It runs perfectly for Media, Office, and with a RTX 3060 it would even run a lot of modern games more than sufficient. The best thing would be if environmental groups or the EU would realize the impact of this topic and the amount of waste Microsoft will create and start to pressure Microsoft. We talk about millions of computers becoming waste, even if their performance is still more than enough. It would be laughable if Microsoft will be allowed to block million intact PCs from WIN 11, while smartphone manufacturers have to implement USB-C because three different cables are too much, even when most of those cables won't survive much longer than 5 year anyway.
@claycassin8437 There have always been alternatives, but the problem is with established workflows. For example if you invest 20+ years into Adobe stuff, not many handy options out there (don't mention Gimp etc plz). Adobe intentionally avoids Linux, and i won't touch OsX again.
Honestly, if you're computer is older than 6 years old and running Windows 10 - chances are your hardware is fine running Windows 10 indefinitely with its current hardware and software setup so unless you're downloading from 'dodgy' websites, there's nothing to do and just continue using Windows 10 until you decide to upgrade to a Windows 11 laptop/PC so don't stress. Just leave things as is.
@@LironSegev I mean, if all people are going to do is basic word processing, spreadsheets, editing and some browsing of normal sites then updates are not that crucial as really Windows 10 has been improved with so many patches over the years there's really not much more Microsoft can do to improve it - but best to buy a standalone Antivirus software and pay a subscription on that.
@@alpenspass This says a lot and I agree. Around 2 years ago Windows 10 became very stable so all the following updates after that just broke things anyway.
Microsoft shot itself in the face when it decided that many computers would not be able to upgrade. Many people have not 'upgraded' to Win11 because they can't. With the only option to buy new computers, many are just not going to upgrade at all. I have Win11 on one computer and I hate the damn thing. Every time those idiots release a new version of Win we have to re-learn half of what we already know and that is a huge pain in the butt!
Exactly. Then there's going to be another WannaCry incident and people will get mad at Microsoft. If Microsoft tries to weasel their way out of fixing the issue, I can see some users leaving Windows altogether for Linux, especially as Linux has made serious strides in PC game and application compatibility.
I'm one of those people who has a decent enough machine to run Win 10 and Ubuntu and Zorin well. It says I can't update to Win 11 (not that I would pay for it anyway) but this is the end of the Windows road for me. I'd rather have to figure out Ubuntu or Zorin for free than have to pay M$ and try to figure their OS out.
Microsoft probably depends on revenue from training people to use, support and develop for the new OS. I know that Microsoft partners do. If your business is software, you have to make new versions to stay in business.
@@cameronbosch1213 Personally, if Linux Devs can find a way to inject DirectX into their OS, then people would jump ship to Linux because of DirectX included into their operating system, same with Direct3D 11, 12, etc.
It's technically not ending it's just finalized Windows 10 still stands out and remains more secure than ever compared to older Windows there's some minor people who still stay on Windows 8 and 7 there is also a third party kernel for Vista users if you figure out how to install it which I wish Microsoft would work like Linux and just let you switch kernels.
We can make it to 2028 now with security updates. Even if that is the inferior Windows 10. At least it is better than 11. Yes, I am running Linux too, now. Got to stay ahead of the curve. Microsoft is clearly falling off of it.
@@claycassin8437which version of linux are you using? im interested in switching too but im not very familiar with it, just used it on college very briefly.
At one time, M$ said that "Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows." This turned out to be an incomplete sentence. The complete sentence is, "Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows that people will voluntarily use."
Considering 70% of computers are still using Windows 10 as opposed to only 20% using Windows 11 I shan't be losing any sleep with my Windows 10 operating system anytime soon.
@@Xport9 depends which LTSC version. LTSC 2015 gets support until 2025, LTSC 2016 gets support until 2026, LTSC 2019 gets support until 2032, LTSC 2021 gets support until 2027, and IoT LTSC 2021 gets support until 2032.
Windows XP was the best OS Microsoft ever produced. It was small on the hard drive (less than 2 Gb) and it was easy to operate. I never liked all the subsequent versions. Windows 10 certainly will be my last Windows ever!
Windows XP was bloated, insecure garbage and put the word rootkit in common everyday vocabulary. It was the last version of Windows I used before switching to Linux, and it was absolutely full of flaws and poor design all around. It could have been better, or at least less bloated, if Microsoft didn't take all the extra garbage they put in ME and shove it in XP. IMO Win98/98SE were probably the best versions of Windows, because they didn't have all that garbage installed, and were reasonably "stable" (if you could even use that word) for being in the Win9x line.
That's a thought, go back to lighting fast 98 OS combined with modern day HW. It would cold boot in 2 seconds and the non web reliant apps blisteringly fast
@@UltraZelda64 Linux is only interesting when you are an IT specialist. I have no interest in becoming one! I only want to work with the computer and its OS if you know what I mean. Window XP served all my needs. Even with an Office Suite, a video and photo editor, a codec pack for better video, software for putting music and video on CD/DVD, PDF readers and Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004 its total hard drive size was still smaller than a solo Windows Vista and all subsequent Windows versions or a modern day Linux OS.
Adverts injected everywhere. More telemetry (spyware). Requirement to have a MS account just to use it, so they can remotely control how you use your PC (and start charging you a monthly subscription would be my guess).
Try again! @killpop8255 0 seconds ago Ads in th OS? Oh well I'll just do my normal. Never opt in to targeted ads. Try really really hard to not look at ads (easy) never click on an ad (easy) or ever use their services (difficult if I already use the advertiser).
It was...an interesting run. Nearly thirty years! Now I have to learn how the Unix file system works. Great. Why didn't I just start with that to begin with?
@@claycassin8437 Unless you're deep into the computer stuff, how the Unix/Linux file system works is irrelevant to you. Just remember to use forward slashes...
The best way consumers can force third party software vendors to diversify their OS support is to actually start ditching the monopolist OS and switch to (open source) alternatives.
Well, yes. I stick with Windows for it's compatibility with the huge plethora of software for it, and not for it amazing performance. But it's tempting to leave it in the dust, as Microsoft always leaves the consumers in the dust.
Open source is the best out there as it's compatible with alot of hardware and it stays away from the huge greedy corporates... For instance, i won't touch Apple with a barge pole!
A report just came out that from Feb 2024, Windows 11 market share decreased while Windows 10 market share increased, currently at around 70%. Leave 70% of your OS market without updates. All those people are not going to change in such a short time and they don't want to change. Let's see what happens.
Is statcounter / OS markethare just for funsies? Also, the voluntary Steam Survey for April 2024 marked Windows 10 64 bit with 51.02% and Windows 11 64 bis with 45.15% Take this how you will.
@@Mario583a That tracks. Gamers are more likely to have a rig that can support Win 11 and are being prompted to upgrade, so many are just clicking yes. Businesses and the other 50% like me are running on older computers that can't switch, and/or see no reason to switch. So the games industry isn't a reliable metric to present on its own and still heavily contrasts the business sector.
The worst damage to my PC was done by a regular Windows update. All restore schemes failed, I had to reinstall everything. Everything on the PC was lost, fortunately I had backups.
The reason I had updating, If I am starting fresh with a new computer I tend not to mind, but updating always screws up everything. My laptop was in a different language setting after the update just like half of everything is in that language and the other half is english, I don't understand how such a simple thing can go so wrong, funnily enough though everything still works, but it feels cursed.
It's still ticks me off that Microsoft said with the emergence of Windows 10 that it would be the last Windows version that they put out and that from that point on they were going to just do updates for Windows 10. Liar, liar, pants on fire!
Actually, Microsoft never officially said that Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows. It was a developer Jerry Nixon who said it to get developers excited about developing for Microsoft Store, at the 2015 Microsoft Ignite. The press ran with it. So misinformation which you all quote.
@@LironSegev and how are we supposed to know it's misinformation? I recall hearing it from several sources. You just can't trust anybody anymore. But I'll tell you this, misinformation or not, if I believe it I'm going to quote it. Nowadays there's no way to know what isn't misinformation and what is not. There's just flat no Integrity in the media.
@@LironSegev as usual, my initial response has not posted in the string. I don't understand why that keeps happening. As I said before, how would we know it's misinformation. If you hear something like that from several sources like I did and I believe the sources are credible I am going to believe it and I'm going to quote it. But unless you're omniscient there is no way for you to know for sure whether it's misinformation or not. I trust you personally but how do I know your sources aren't misinformation. It's just a coin toss.
@@LironSegev To be fair, when asked for a comment, Microsoft's spokesperson effectively endorsed Nixon's comment. If they disagreed with it, then they would not have issued the following statement: "Recent comments at Ignite about Windows 10 are reflective of the way Windows will be delivered as a service bringing new innovations and updates in an ongoing manner, with continuous value for our consumer and business customers," Microsoft spokesperson said in a statement. "We aren't speaking to future branding at this time," the spokesperson added, however "customers can be confident Windows 10 will remain up-to-date and power a variety of devices from PCs to phones to Surface Hub to HoloLens and Xbox. We look forward to a long future of Windows innovations."
Thanks once again Liron, for your advice. I am 67 years of age and moved to Linux Mint Cinnamon about two years ago (desktop) and found it very similar to Windows. The learning curve wasn't too steep, and there are many excellent helpful tutorials on TH-cam. Will continue with Windows 10 on my laptop for the moment but will move to Linux in the future. I really only browse the internet or use email so no great drama. My only issue with Linux is that Canon printers and scanners do not seem to be supported, but I have got around that. Cheers from Australia.
Microsoft doesn't disable anything. It can stop supporting it. You can own a 1975 mustang but Ford doesn't need to contractually keep spare parts for it in 2024
Even though Windows can be a pain in the ear, as a computer Engineer, I have pulled an extensive set of tools that come from various Open Source sources that are extremely effective so that even with the fact that Win10 support is going away it's not that big of a deal especially if you consider to do a hardware firewall over a software firewall also if you set your system32 folder to read only that will help tremendously. Linux Distros are fine and Win 10 has Linux built right in... But you have to enable it yourself. Also Knoppix is still a good "start anything live" platform. You can consider also to plugging an external drive into your system and storing your data to that and unmounting / unplugging the drive after you're done for the day. There's many ways to keep your stuff to yourself
Nice comment but why would you need a hardware firewall (which i assume is very expensive) if you are behind NAT ? Most private users dont have to worry about anything. Public and big company computers...thats another story.
@@temp911Luke hardware firewalls are not expensive and are built in to most routers including ISP routers. I have the firewall on my ISP router switched on and have another router between my PCs and the ISP router which also has a built-in firewall.
@@temp911Luke private/domestic users have a great deal to wory about and thatis one of the reasons they should NOT be using an device directly connected to the Internet and there device, even a phone, should have anti-virus software as well.
I hated windows 10 and windows 11 was the last straw. Yesterday I made the full switch to Linux mint and for me it's far better. Easier to use, my hardware works properly again and over five times faster on start up. I have had zero issues so far with the switch on two machines but if I ever do, I am willing to learn whatever necessary to never use windows again. Windows is malware
I've been using Linux off and on for years. When the hardware check said I couldn't install Windows 11 and the fact it takes an hour to be able to use my laptop once I login, I went back to using Linux full time. Most people don't like change though.
@@chrismoule7242 Sorry to hear that, if I were in that situation I'd be looking to dual boot. Hopefully with more people switching it won't be too much longer before it makes financial sense for them to support it.
If I look at how bad the newer apps are, say for example 'Pictures' which is about a thousand times worse than the ancient 'windows photo viewer' or whatever it was called. The one from the early 2000s It still works flawless on my computer while Pictures is still totally crap and full of bugs I have zero trust in Windows 11 being an improvement. People aren't getting smarter you know. We are slowly getting dumber and are just relying on all the knowledge from the past. And specially these highly educated kids believe they are geniuses while they really aren't. We are fcked.
I don't like Windows 11. The user interface is not friendly or easy to use and Windows options and Settings are all over the place. I don't like the fact that Microsoft is slowly but surely attempting to do away with (the perfect) legacy "Control Panel", and intergrading it into Windows Settings. For me Windows 11 is exactly like Windows 8 and how that OS made me feel. Windows 10 is exactly like Windows 7, the perfect MS Operating System.
Just use Openshell, type control panel in it's options and display as link. They should have merged it into Settings a long time ago, but used the exact same icon layout, or better yet given the user the option
I was only looking at your channel last week about this subject but you didn't have a video up then. I've been able to fix other problems on my laptop using your help videos. So helpful. Thank you so much. 👍😊
It's 2024 and I'm STILL using Windows 7 on my PC and Windows 8 (yep, the first release, not 8.1) on my old HP laptop. Both have up-to-date antivirus software and firewall. For all those years I've never had A SINGLE PROBLEM with security, browsing the Internet. I don't use darkweb, I don't download cracked premium software from unknown websites, I barely even watch pornography so I'm positive that I'm not going to move on to Windows 11 or 10 in the upcoming years.
It is great for browsing and office tasks, but sadly it can't run some software, mostly in 2d/3d design or last gen games. Otherwise there is no reason to move on to W10-W11.
Got you beat... I'm still running Vista on an old Acer laptop. Mostly to run legacy accounting software that won't run on W10. I keep it offline unless I have to email something then I take it offline again. Been without support for decades. Never had a problem.
I've been using Windows 11 Pro since it became available, upgraded from Windows 10, have had no issues at all. mind you I only built the pc 2-3 years ago
Yeah the comments seem to suggest some people should get off computers altogether if they can’t move from 10 to 11. Never had any issues with windows, if you go apple then you are worse off with hardware that won’t be allowed to run the OS after a certain time.
@@oo0Spyder0oo from what ive seen from macos, the support is a little longer than the average time till people get a new laptop anyway, well at least for the apple macs ive used, yet to see about the newer M1 macs for what to expect from those ones though
The rot that set in which caused updates in the first place, was when computers first started to make changes to the OS and apps while running , quickly followed by removing the Reset Button.
I switched to Debian for my home Plex server and Ubuntu for my home PC 1/2 a year ago. Windows has at this point been regulated to the corner to only play those games that Wine/Proton cannot. It was a learning curve, but it's stable and once you have everything set up, it's nice.
I have dual-booted Linux and Windows for years. This has helped when an issue may appear on either boot, the PC is still usable. When Windows 11 was anounced. I switched to running Linux full-time, with Windows 10 as the fall back. I eventually landed on PopOS as my Linux distro and about 3 months ago upgraded the Win10 boot to Win11. I do not care for the GUI change in Win11. I also do not like that VirtualBox runs slow in Win11. I was able to build a new Proxmox server recently. I installed Win11 as a VM on Proxmox and RDP to that from either my desktop or laptop. I also have Tailscale installed, in theory this will allow me access to Win11 even when traveling. I have the security on my desktop/laptop turned way up. To the point it can interview with registering a new credit card. I now can RDP to Win11, with lower security, to perform account updates when I have issues with my desktop/laptop.
Hope to see you in Linux land late next year. Its not as bad as you think. SteamOS should be ready in Late 2025, now that Nvidia NVK driver is improving quickly, this does leave out Nvidia users pre RTX 2000/GTX 1600 series though. If you have AMD or Intel it should be smooth moving over at that point though. We have Davinci Resolve for Video editing and lightworks. REAPER, Bitwig and now Studio One for audio workstations. Photopea and Krita and GIMP for image editing/painting. Also, many other software and Steam and heroic for gaming. Its not the Linux of 20 years ago. Archlinux FTW, although Linux Mint or Fedora might be a better fit for first timers.
Using Windows 10 LTSC (and Linux Mint) dualbooted, and quite honestly, I feel more safer than using W11. All I do on Windows is productive stuff I do, and everything on the Mint side is personal stuff, just in case I still want to hold on to Windows 10 for more than 5 decades
I'd have issues. A few months ago, I read, that Steam cut support for Win7 and implemented something from Edge version that only came with win10, so I should not be able to use my steam library on Win7 machine :(
@@looseycanon Still have Win7, and Steam still works even though it stated it won't. Maybe for some newer games Steam does not work, but for all of my older games it still works.
Imma be honest, Windows 11 is just a skin with a tabbed browser and A.I things which you wont need. I would never risk having A.I in my file explorer I cannot trust any company with so much power on my personal computer, its called personal computer for a reason... If I want to play with A.I things there are much healthier ways to go about doing it with just a few google searches. Hope my comment doesnt get deleted.
My college still have windows 7 running on lab machines. Yes, they are all connected to the internet. No, the college do not pay for extended support. All these machines also have ubuntu as alternative already installed. Since it is a public college, they just don't have the money to upgrade all the machines and put windows 11 on them.
I''ve been using 11 since the beta (I am sure you have too), and it's been awesome, a little different, still awesome. As its gotten older it's gotten better. If you do plan on updating, surely you already know but never upgrade, always do a clean install. This will perform the best and be MUCH more stable. You mention the Task Manager is back... it was never gone. It did look a little different, but it wasn't gone.
for me i just hate the layout of everything on windows 11, my family has windows 11 on their computer and sure it seems stable i just wish they gave the option to basically change layouts freely, or if there is i dont know about it since i rarely use their pc. Mine is still windows 10
@@TheJc1192 I totally get it, I didn't like it at first (also makes old macros not work) but you get used to it, but you can move it, there are also programs to move things and make it just like 10. Even as of recently, built into Windows 11, and then programs like Stardock's Start 11. I keep it looking like it does since my day job, I do support, I need it to look like the people's environment i work with so that I don't forget. Sadly with support ending, a move to 11 or 12 is recommended, since this is what channel is on, I stay on the latest. Liron also does great "How to's" on it.
Recently upgraded and switched to Win11, and, once again, I'm very impressed with their upgrade process. In about a day I was already getting used to the new layouts, and personalization can make it layed out similar Win10.
I was a Mac user for decades, since 1991 or so. I got fed up with being a second-class citizen in Steam gaming, so I got a Windows 10 rig. I found that Windows wasn't as awful as I was expecting, and occasionally did light bits of work on it. Eventually, I got a Windows laptop as my new work machine (Apple hardware has gone downhill, and Framework looked good.) Thing is... if I'd experienced Windows 11 on my games machine, I'd never have made the switch. Windows 11 is bloaty, ad-laden (!) and generally janky - even on new hardware.
Windows 11 is a bloated spyware. It was bogging down a perfectly okay device with 4GB RAM that I use for travel, so I switched to Zorin OS Linux. I was so impressed that I switched my primary device as well to Zorin OS first, then Fedora Linux.
I moved to Mac years ago but still have some legacy apps that require Windows - like SpinRite for HDD and SSD maintenance and repair and a few other speciality apps for my 3D printer. So I have a little HP Celeron machine running Windows 10. As I think about it I think I will just disconnect it from the Internet and carry on. I've done both Linux and Chrome OS and so far the best computers I have ever owned are the Apple Silicon Macs - both a Mini and an Air. Good coverage of the alternatives. Gave me clarity! Thanks.
I walked away from Windows dependency years ago when they shut down FrontPage 2003. In 2011, I bought my first Apple computer, a MacBook Air. The crazy quick boot-up time was mind-boggling. Never going back. If the PC I have doesn't allow Linux installation, I'll just keep it as an offline device for preparing documents and basic image editing. Thanks for your time in preparing this video. 👌 I have subscribed. 🤝
The only real options here are #2 and #4. Staying on Windows 10 is not practical after end of life and hoping that Windows 12 will be good is nothing but wishful thinking. Either swallow the Microsoft pill and install Windows 11 or do the better thing and install a Linux distro. There are also editions of Windows 10 like Enterprise that actually have support until 2027 I think. You can use Linux for 90% of your computing needs and have a separate Windows partition around for in case you need Windows for something. I feel like this is the best route to take, personally.
I've been thinking of heading into Linux, but I just don't want to loose my data or any files I have on my computer, and plus, I don't know how long it will take to install a Linux Operating System compared to a Windows Operating System. I love the amount of choices out there for Linux, just that I want to avoid linux operating systems that tends to have more software issues than stability and such.
@@SuperFlashDriver It takes about five minutes to install Linux and another five to set up your local account, completely update the system and re-boot and you're ready to go. Windows will take you an hour, minimum. You'll have to back up your files regardless.
@@SuperFlashDriver You will not lose your files and data. Linux can read all sorts of file systems. It can even emulate a windows filesystem and be a Windows fileserver with Samba. Install takes 15 minutes. If stability is your concern, use Debian. You thinlk Linux is unstable? All webservers and all supercomputers worldwide run Linux, even the ones from Microsoft.
This is why I don't understand why people are still getting Windows 10. I like Win10 but I upgraded, sure maybe there are glitches here and there for some of us. I don't get any of them. Then again, I don't do much on my PC except what he mentioned here, use Office 365, watch movies, watch TH-cam, listen to music, read the news, check my email. So, I'm go with Windows 11. I'm a 63 year old senior that just wants things to run good enough to get me through the day and I don't want to mess with a new OS.
I've seen Windows 11, and I don't like the layout, or how it seems to be pitching ads at people who just want an OS. There is legitimately nothing wrong with 10, and I also don't like having to "upgrade" my software just because the people who made it want to push something that is "new for the sake of new".
The big problem with Windows 11 workarounds is that they may only work for a short period of time. Microsoft could release a Windows 11 update at any time that can stop support on an unsupported Windows 10 PC. If you really want to stay supported, you will be forced to purchase a new PC if your Windows 10 PC does not meet Windows 11 minimum requirements. Or, download the zero patch Windows Update scanner, if you still want or need to use Windows 10. If you still want to keep Windows 10, and your machine does not meet Windows 11 requirements, downloading Zero Patch is your best option.
I switched to Linux because I was having crashes with Windows 11. I later realized it was hardware issues with my laptop because the crashes started to occur again on Linux after a few months. So I built my own PC and installed my favorite Linux distribution on it. I was not happy with Windows 11 automatically turning on One Drive without my permission so that was another driver for my decision to switch to Linux.
@@grahamepigney8565 I don’t want Microsoft undoing my changes. I spent a lot of time automating the deployment of our Windows 10 baseline at work with Ansible. The last thing I want to do is something that looks work related at home. Maybe not the most accurate statement. I’ll spend 8 hours working on software development projects at work only to come home to do 4 hours of work on personal development projects.
@@dadigitechman Has it's flaws like all OS do. But man I'm not sorry I changed over and never looked back. Getting better for hardcore gamers too. But worth it for the average user. Though just like with anything new, there is a learning curve. But worth it.
The whole security point is a myth. I run multiple devices with updates permanently disabled and I've never had this much reliability in windows before. Hackers only care about the latest versions, since the large majority is running them. You're actually avoiding being targeted by hackers by staying on obscure versions, that require additional effort to adjust to.
I never thought about this, but it actually makes perfect sense that hackers would want to target Windows users who are running the latest versions and updates, since most people are quick to install the latest features, bug fixes and security updates.
@@benjaminvlz Sorry to say, but it's actually the opposite. The very first thing they check is if the victim is running an older system to exploit known vulnerabilities.
The government searches for vulnerabilities in software, both the OS and applications. These are then identified and published so the vendors have to correct them with updates. Even the Linux distros must do updates. (One malicious backdoor was recently discovered in a linux build but fortunately it was caught before release.) Otherwise all the vulnerabilities that have been published will be exploited by bad actors. Updates are a fact of life with the internet.
Yes, join us sensible people. When we are told only a minute number are using Linux, I guess they don't use an Android phone. O/S is Linux driven on ALL android mobiles, tablets etc.
Can use a Windows 10 or older in a VM with in stable Linux that is long term there is a basic level or a expert level doing a VM just depends on ones needs.
Windows 11 is also coming to an end with the "Recall" spyware! I'm done with Windows. Moving to Linux full time and using a massively neutered version of Windows only when absolutely required for work or other unavoidable activities, and even then, only within a VM. I'll never install Windows on bare metal again after this.
Funny how when Win 10 was coming out, Microshaft said that it was going to be the last version of windows and they would just maintain it. I have a 10 laptop and 10 has always been horrendous. A friend updated his to 11 and he has had nothing but problems. My main system and my main laptop have Win 7 and Linux Mint.. I am in the process of trying to afford purchasing HDDs for every system in my house and switch all of them to Linux while retaining the Windows drives, just in case I need it. Well I know I will at least need Win 7 for some stuff; it never fails and can't completely get away from the scorge that is Microshaft.
Actually, Microsoft never officially said that Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows. It was said by a developer evangelist at Microsoft to get developers excited about developing for Microsoft Store at the 2015 Microsoft Ignite. And of course the media blew it up taking it out of context 🤦♂️
Microshaft Winblows 11 somehow is worse than Winblows 8 because at least 8 could run on a lot more hardware offically and didn't have as much spyware or adware. Windows 7 was the last good OS Microsoft ever made. Since then, it's been bad, okay, or really bad.
I got Win11 on the new computer, so no hardware compatibility issues. Still, I've never had any problem with it. It seems just as fast if not faster. My only gripe is a few old apps not being available when trying to fix a problem.
Well I'm still using windows 7 as we speak got ten ready for the change LOL ! But honestly i have malware protection and have had no problems still with windows 7 period !
yh i'm waiting for win12 & hoping against hope it's better and stable. win11 was bad for vr at the start and the OS just didn't make me update. I even bought the TPM chip and installed it on my motherboard (not cpu emulation) preparing to update but win11 just never made it worthwhile. VR is a huge part of my pc use, from using , recording, editing, producing etc. win12 is a the gamble but it's the last choice left beyond linux for me.
Liron, is there a way to see WHY your PC doesn't meet the requirements? It tells me it doesn't, but I can't see why to possibly remedy the situation or upgrade something.
It should tell you. It might be the TPM requirement (something that can be turned on in the BIOS). Or it could be your processor. If you have a 7th generation Intel or older then it will refuse to upgrade.
There is a website that Windows itself directed me to that told me it is the Celeron processor in my HP X360 that doesn't meet specifications. Try to do a Google search for it as I can't recall the specific page on Windows'website I was directed to.
Windows 7 is still getting occasional updates, yes it isn't like via an updater in the setting, more of an OEM kind of manual patching, but still, I think Windows 10 will get security fixes at least until 2030 or until market share drops below 10%, whatever happens sooner.
When dealing with older business critical software and hardware, I'd suggest using the OS upgrade as an excuse for a drive upgrade so you can test the OS first. If everything works you can finish setting it up, and demote the old drive to being your D:\ drive. If something doesn't work then you just swap the drives back till an update is available to fix it.
Your videos are very helpful, mu windows 10 laptop was up until last week, loaded with Norton antivirus, I have been paying them for years for protection. I removed it, as I mentioned because one of your other videos showed how windows defender in w10 was pretty good. I must say that since I removed my Norton anrivirus, my pc is so super fast now. Windows defender seems very good. I think I will just buy a new pc next year instead of upgrading mine to w11. Thanks again .
Well from the news I hear, people are going back to 10 from 11. Some of the reasons being MS insistence on pushing ADS to users with OS updates and the bricking of some 3rd party software like VPN services. The sheer arrogance of MS to push users to update, from an OS people have paid for, and move on is staggering. It's akin to Ford for example saying, the Fiesta you have now will be useless in two years unless you upgrade!
I ended up with a Windows 10 laptop due to misadvertising. I didn't actually have any problems with it, but just didn't like it, so bought a reconditioned Windows 10 instead. Linux will be next.
I'll follow my usual pattern of adopting the next version of Windows when I'm ready to. I didn't start using Windows 10 until about three years after it came out.
Just installed Windows 10 for the first time. I think if we all agree not to use Windows 11, Microsoft will have to fix and finish 10. Finally upgraded from Windows 7 to run new hardware. Not that I wanted to. Used Shutup10+, WinAeroTweaker, and OpenShell to make 10 function as much like Windows 7 as possible. Disabled Windows Update Service, but for some reason it keeps re-enabling it occasionally. I get a lot of ndis blue screens of deth.
I would upgrade if Microsoft did not have such a dumb requirement for Windows 11.
Windows 11 requirements are purposely made to make more capable PCs end up as E-waste.
They want money, product must not work after a few years!
Meanwhile computer from like 2000 still boots up and is ready to play AoE2.
I think you can use Rufus to write windows to an empty sd card to install to your pc, make sure you select bypass tpm requirement and possibly not to require online registration. The risk will be with major updates, whether any might detect old hardware and stop the system functioning, but that's just a guess with a worst case scenario
I would not. I do not need a microsoft account. I do not need their spyware OS. I will be moving to linux.
@@MrVidification their also requiring another piece of hardware some specific processor on your CPU if you don't have it win 11 flat out won't boot
And coming up official spyware update? What do you think? LOL
Windows 11 is a dog. After promising that Windows 10 was the last version, MS tried to convince users to buy new hardware to upgrade to.....the same OS with a minor graphical update. They didn't anticipate that users were smart enough to reject this ploy. Now MS is stuck constantly updating a "new" OS hovering at only 26% of the Windows marketshare while constantly fearmongering to Windows 10 users, who make up 70% of their userbase. 10 year old hardware can run Windows 11 just fine, yet MS wants you to increase e-waste and throw out your old PC. MS still thinks they're the only kid on the block with an OS. Times have changed. We don't need MS.
Yeah, 2016 i have bought a i7 6700K that isn't supported on Win 11, even if my Mainboard does software based TPM 2.0 i can't install it. It runs perfectly for Media, Office, and with a RTX 3060 it would even run a lot of modern games more than sufficient. The best thing would be if environmental groups or the EU would realize the impact of this topic and the amount of waste Microsoft will create and start to pressure Microsoft. We talk about millions of computers becoming waste, even if their performance is still more than enough.
It would be laughable if Microsoft will be allowed to block million intact PCs from WIN 11, while smartphone manufacturers have to implement USB-C because three different cables are too much, even when most of those cables won't survive much longer than 5 year anyway.
It will not operate any computer of mine. Ever. Microsoft really is not taking Linux seriously, are they? Oops. Bye Bye.
@@rez9159 You can upgrade any hardware to Windows 11 with a little research. Guides are abundand on TH-cam.
We never needed Windows. There have always been better options.
@claycassin8437
There have always been alternatives, but the problem is with established workflows. For example if you invest 20+ years into Adobe stuff, not many handy options out there (don't mention Gimp etc plz). Adobe intentionally avoids Linux, and i won't touch OsX again.
Honestly, if you're computer is older than 6 years old and running Windows 10 - chances are your hardware is fine running Windows 10 indefinitely with its current hardware and software setup so unless you're downloading from 'dodgy' websites, there's nothing to do and just continue using Windows 10 until you decide to upgrade to a Windows 11 laptop/PC so don't stress. Just leave things as is.
yup
@@LironSegev I mean, if all people are going to do is basic word processing, spreadsheets, editing and some browsing of normal sites then updates are not that crucial as really Windows 10 has been improved with so many patches over the years there's really not much more Microsoft can do to improve it - but best to buy a standalone Antivirus software and pay a subscription on that.
I disabled all windows updates with a 3rd party app 1 year ago. no issues.
but I make a full system backup every 3 months.
@@alpenspass This says a lot and I agree. Around 2 years ago Windows 10 became very stable so all the following updates after that just broke things anyway.
Mines 10 years old and runs great never update shit happy days
Microsoft shot itself in the face when it decided that many computers would not be able to upgrade. Many people have not 'upgraded' to Win11 because they can't. With the only option to buy new computers, many are just not going to upgrade at all. I have Win11 on one computer and I hate the damn thing. Every time those idiots release a new version of Win we have to re-learn half of what we already know and that is a huge pain in the butt!
Exactly. Then there's going to be another WannaCry incident and people will get mad at Microsoft. If Microsoft tries to weasel their way out of fixing the issue, I can see some users leaving Windows altogether for Linux, especially as Linux has made serious strides in PC game and application compatibility.
I'm one of those people who has a decent enough machine to run Win 10 and Ubuntu and Zorin well. It says I can't update to Win 11 (not that I would pay for it anyway) but this is the end of the Windows road for me. I'd rather have to figure out Ubuntu or Zorin for free than have to pay M$ and try to figure their OS out.
win 11. is litteral spyware. htats not to say win10 isnt. but atleast it can be worked around.
Microsoft probably depends on revenue from training people to use, support and develop for the new OS. I know that Microsoft partners do. If your business is software, you have to make new versions to stay in business.
@@cameronbosch1213 Personally, if Linux Devs can find a way to inject DirectX into their OS, then people would jump ship to Linux because of DirectX included into their operating system, same with Direct3D 11, 12, etc.
Windows 10 is coming to an end and Windows 11 never started.
It's not "coming to an end". It finally finished development after 10 years in early access 🤣
windows 12 you mean?
@@robertchapman2174 No
It's technically not ending it's just finalized Windows 10 still stands out and remains more secure than ever compared to older Windows there's some minor people who still stay on Windows 8 and 7 there is also a third party kernel for Vista users if you figure out how to install it which I wish Microsoft would work like Linux and just let you switch kernels.
Too bad they don't discontinue Windows 11 and reinstate Windows 10.
haha
Or indeed Windows 7. On Windows 10, I use ClassicShell and various settings to make it look as much like Windows 7 as possible.
I think they'd get in trouble for that bud 💀
@@LironSegev XP PLEASE...
With Sonic audio recorder.
@@QUIX4UXP Search dog I want! Chess Titans oh I need my Chess Titans!
As far as I care it is End of Life for Microsoft! I have been loyal to them for decades. But they no longer make a product I want to buy.
We can make it to 2028 now with security updates. Even if that is the inferior Windows 10. At least it is better than 11. Yes, I am running Linux too, now. Got to stay ahead of the curve. Microsoft is clearly falling off of it.
@@claycassin8437which version of linux are you using? im interested in switching too but im not very familiar with it, just used it on college very briefly.
I’ve been using Windows literally my entire life, since 3.1 as a kid on my dad’s pc. Win10 will be the final windows I’ll ever use
@@DrSpaceman42 W11 is not that bad with custom apps like classic start menu and other things
The pushback from countless business users will be a landslide.
Windows 10 is going nowhere any time soon. They will keep patching it till at 2030. I dont care what they say right now.
At one time, M$ said that "Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows." This turned out to be an incomplete sentence. The complete sentence is, "Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows that people will voluntarily use."
Considering 70% of computers are still using Windows 10 as opposed to only 20% using Windows 11 I shan't be losing any sleep with my Windows 10 operating system anytime soon.
Get W10 IoT LTSC 2021, it won't die until 2032.
@@teknixstuff Sounds interesting, I may look into it.
@@teknixstuff
I looked, it's 2026.
@@Xport9 depends which LTSC version. LTSC 2015 gets support until 2025, LTSC 2016 gets support until 2026, LTSC 2019 gets support until 2032, LTSC 2021 gets support until 2027, and IoT LTSC 2021 gets support until 2032.
@@teknixstuff what is the licence cost or can youupgrade for free?
Windows XP was the best OS Microsoft ever produced.
It was small on the hard drive (less than 2 Gb) and it was easy to operate.
I never liked all the subsequent versions.
Windows 10 certainly will be my last Windows ever!
@@Joel-qz6sdColonel Klink: no one escapes Windows 13!
@@musicalneptunian No one ever escapes from Windows (stalag) 13. You know that Hogan.
Windows XP was bloated, insecure garbage and put the word rootkit in common everyday vocabulary. It was the last version of Windows I used before switching to Linux, and it was absolutely full of flaws and poor design all around. It could have been better, or at least less bloated, if Microsoft didn't take all the extra garbage they put in ME and shove it in XP. IMO Win98/98SE were probably the best versions of Windows, because they didn't have all that garbage installed, and were reasonably "stable" (if you could even use that word) for being in the Win9x line.
That's a thought, go back to lighting fast 98 OS combined with modern day HW. It would cold boot in 2 seconds and the non web reliant apps blisteringly fast
@@UltraZelda64
Linux is only interesting when you are an IT specialist.
I have no interest in becoming one!
I only want to work with the computer and its OS if you know what I mean.
Window XP served all my needs.
Even with an Office Suite, a video and photo editor, a codec pack for better video, software for putting music and video on CD/DVD, PDF readers and Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004 its total hard drive size was still smaller than a solo Windows Vista and all subsequent Windows versions or a modern day Linux OS.
What does windows 11 even provide that 10 can not do..
I always hate when they pull this kinda bs.
unwanted ads
Adverts injected everywhere. More telemetry (spyware). Requirement to have a MS account just to use it, so they can remotely control how you use your PC (and start charging you a monthly subscription would be my guess).
more money for Microsoft
Trying to force you into a subscription model for office is a major part of it.
Wifi 6e or better unfortunately. Even though it definitely is possible for them to allow it to work in 10
I updated my parent's PC from win7 to linux Debian 12 - they are in their 70s and while they were initially hesitant they are really enjoying it.
Anybody I have put onto a linux distro has been happy!
Mint!
Legend
If they haven't fixed everything in Windows 10 by now they never will.
Of course they never will. They announced that they’re not working on it anymore. That’s what that means.
They didn't. It's still far better than Windows 11, which is a complete indictment of that POS "operating system", aka spyware, aka malware.
Soon it will be the end of Windows as we know it.
Many of us have zero interest in Windows 11 with ads.
Try again!
@killpop8255
0 seconds ago
Ads in th OS?
Oh well I'll just do my normal. Never opt in to targeted ads. Try really really hard to not look at ads (easy) never click on an ad (easy) or ever use their services (difficult if I already use the advertiser).
WAIT SEVERAL MONTHS UNTIL LTSC WINDOWS 11 GETS RELEASED OFFICIALY AND HOPEFULLY BUG FREE
@@Einaudi-ms5ei Ouch! Quit yelling at me.
It was...an interesting run. Nearly thirty years! Now I have to learn how the Unix file system works. Great. Why didn't I just start with that to begin with?
@@claycassin8437 Unless you're deep into the computer stuff, how the Unix/Linux file system works is irrelevant to you. Just remember to use forward slashes...
The best way consumers can force third party software vendors to diversify their OS support is to actually start ditching the monopolist OS and switch to (open source) alternatives.
Well, yes. I stick with Windows for it's compatibility with the huge plethora of software for it, and not for it amazing performance. But it's tempting to leave it in the dust, as Microsoft always leaves the consumers in the dust.
@@perihelion7798Go to Linux Mint.
Open source is the best out there as it's compatible with alot of hardware and it stays away from the huge greedy corporates... For instance, i won't touch Apple with a barge pole!
A report just came out that from Feb 2024, Windows 11 market share decreased while Windows 10 market share increased, currently at around 70%. Leave 70% of your OS market without updates. All those people are not going to change in such a short time and they don't want to change. Let's see what happens.
popcorn!
Is statcounter / OS markethare just for funsies?
Also, the voluntary Steam Survey for April 2024 marked Windows 10 64 bit with 51.02% and Windows 11 64 bis with 45.15%
Take this how you will.
@@Mario583a That tracks. Gamers are more likely to have a rig that can support Win 11 and are being prompted to upgrade, so many are just clicking yes. Businesses and the other 50% like me are running on older computers that can't switch, and/or see no reason to switch. So the games industry isn't a reliable metric to present on its own and still heavily contrasts the business sector.
The worst damage to my PC was done by a regular Windows update. All restore schemes failed, I had to reinstall everything.
Everything on the PC was lost, fortunately I had backups.
The reason I had updating, If I am starting fresh with a new computer I tend not to mind, but updating always screws up everything.
My laptop was in a different language setting after the update just like half of everything is in that language and the other half is english, I don't understand how such a simple thing can go so wrong, funnily enough though everything still works, but it feels cursed.
It's still ticks me off that Microsoft said with the emergence of Windows 10 that it would be the last Windows version that they put out and that from that point on they were going to just do updates for Windows 10. Liar, liar, pants on fire!
Microsoft: "LiAr LiAr, pLaNtS fOr HiRe."
Actually, Microsoft never officially said that Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows. It was a developer Jerry Nixon who said it to get developers excited about developing for Microsoft Store, at the 2015 Microsoft Ignite. The press ran with it. So misinformation which you all quote.
@@LironSegev and how are we supposed to know it's misinformation? I recall hearing it from several sources. You just can't trust anybody anymore. But I'll tell you this, misinformation or not, if I believe it I'm going to quote it. Nowadays there's no way to know what isn't misinformation and what is not. There's just flat no Integrity in the media.
@@LironSegev as usual, my initial response has not posted in the string. I don't understand why that keeps happening.
As I said before, how would we know it's misinformation. If you hear something like that from several sources like I did and I believe the sources are credible I am going to believe it and I'm going to quote it. But unless you're omniscient there is no way for you to know for sure whether it's misinformation or not. I trust you personally but how do I know your sources aren't misinformation. It's just a coin toss.
@@LironSegev To be fair, when asked for a comment, Microsoft's spokesperson effectively endorsed Nixon's comment. If they disagreed with it, then they would not have issued the following statement:
"Recent comments at Ignite about Windows 10 are reflective of the way Windows will be delivered as a service bringing new innovations and updates in an ongoing manner, with continuous value for our consumer and business customers," Microsoft spokesperson said in a statement.
"We aren't speaking to future branding at this time," the spokesperson added, however "customers can be confident Windows 10 will remain up-to-date and power a variety of devices from PCs to phones to Surface Hub to HoloLens and Xbox. We look forward to a long future of Windows innovations."
Thanks once again Liron, for your advice. I am 67 years of age and moved to Linux Mint Cinnamon about two years ago (desktop) and found it very similar to Windows. The learning curve wasn't too steep, and there are many excellent helpful tutorials on TH-cam. Will continue with Windows 10 on my laptop for the moment but will move to Linux in the future. I really only browse the internet or use email so no great drama. My only issue with Linux is that Canon printers and scanners do not seem to be supported, but I have got around that. Cheers from Australia.
I have a Canon TS8300 series printer/scanner that works without tinkering...running Linux Mint Mate 20.3
cause its illegal for microsoft to disable your win 10 as you own that copy.
yeah, they will fins a loop hole for that too
Microsoft doesn't disable anything. It can stop supporting it. You can own a 1975 mustang but Ford doesn't need to contractually keep spare parts for it in 2024
They wont stop you using it they just wont give you anymore updates.
Even though Windows can be a pain in the ear, as a computer Engineer, I have pulled an extensive set of tools that come from various Open Source sources that are extremely effective so that even with the fact that Win10 support is going away it's not that big of a deal especially if you consider to do a hardware firewall over a software firewall also if you set your system32 folder to read only that will help tremendously. Linux Distros are fine and Win 10 has Linux built right in... But you have to enable it yourself. Also Knoppix is still a good "start anything live" platform. You can consider also to plugging an external drive into your system and storing your data to that and unmounting / unplugging the drive after you're done for the day. There's many ways to keep your stuff to yourself
Mah huy here knows what's up. Also use safedns that in itself is a firewall without a firewall if that makes sense
Nice comment but why would you need a hardware firewall (which i assume is very expensive) if you are behind NAT ?
Most private users dont have to worry about anything. Public and big company computers...thats another story.
Hi, what about *.DLL files in the read only x86 folder? Long ago I learned that DLL can change size while in use?
@@temp911Luke hardware firewalls are not expensive and are built in to most routers including ISP routers.
I have the firewall on my ISP router switched on and have another router between my PCs and the ISP router which also has a built-in firewall.
@@temp911Luke private/domestic users have a great deal to wory about and thatis one of the reasons they should NOT be using an device directly connected to the Internet and there device, even a phone, should have anti-virus software as well.
I hated windows 10 and windows 11 was the last straw. Yesterday I made the full switch to Linux mint and for me it's far better. Easier to use, my hardware works properly again and over five times faster on start up. I have had zero issues so far with the switch on two machines but if I ever do, I am willing to learn whatever necessary to never use windows again. Windows is malware
Enjoy your Linux.
I will too. Haven't touched Windows for more than 5 minutes a day since late 2021.
I've been using Linux off and on for years. When the hardware check said I couldn't install Windows 11 and the fact it takes an hour to be able to use my laptop once I login, I went back to using Linux full time. Most people don't like change though.
That's fine for you. I simply can't. Cubase is an essential piece of software for me & it doesn't support Linux...
@@chrismoule7242 Sorry to hear that, if I were in that situation I'd be looking to dual boot. Hopefully with more people switching it won't be too much longer before it makes financial sense for them to support it.
What we need is a windows 11 update but an option to keep everything layed out as Windows 10.
yes
Bro, you have more faith than Toretto
you mean Linux.
It pretty much does that.
just wait for ltsc version release in september/october
If I look at how bad the newer apps are, say for example 'Pictures' which is about a thousand times worse than the ancient 'windows photo viewer' or whatever it was called. The one from the early 2000s It still works flawless on my computer while Pictures is still totally crap and full of bugs I have zero trust in Windows 11 being an improvement. People aren't getting smarter you know. We are slowly getting dumber and are just relying on all the knowledge from the past. And specially these highly educated kids believe they are geniuses while they really aren't. We are fcked.
Well said.
irfanView.
Linux Mint with Cinnamon knocks Windows 10 and Windows 11 into a cocked hat. Been using Mint for about a year and it’s fantastic!
Absolutely just switch over to mint Cinnamon 👍😉
nah 💀
@@hega5honda Why not? Would be interested in what you don’t like about it.
Just asking does mint files system feel like Windows 10?
Especially the file explorer.
@@_indrid_cold_ I would say yes it does, because that would most definitely make a more nice switch from Windows to Linux occur.
Just a shame Micorsoft has gone into service provision instead of software sales.
Yeah, Win10 is coming to an end, just like XP, 7, and Server 2003 which I still run and will continue to run...
Still running Windows 7 except having to use 10 for Steam games. Linux Mint (or similar) look far more attractive than anything Microbloat can offer.
I don't like Windows 11. The user interface is not friendly or easy to use and Windows options and Settings are all over the place. I don't like the fact that Microsoft is slowly but surely attempting to do away with (the perfect) legacy "Control Panel", and intergrading it into Windows Settings.
For me Windows 11 is exactly like Windows 8 and how that OS made me feel.
Windows 10 is exactly like Windows 7, the perfect MS Operating System.
fair
They literally copied KDE Plasma, a Linux desktop environment (version 5.27), and somehow made it worse. I don't get it.
i don´t like win11 either.
i will stick with windows 10
Just use Openshell, type control panel in it's options and display as link. They should have merged it into Settings a long time ago, but used the exact same icon layout, or better yet given the user the option
@@MrVidification Using the exact same Icon layout would be better. Windows 11 Settings is kind of convoluted.
I was only looking at your channel last week about this subject but you didn't have a video up then. I've been able to fix other problems on my laptop using your help videos. So helpful. Thank you so much. 👍😊
It's 2024 and I'm STILL using Windows 7 on my PC and Windows 8 (yep, the first release, not 8.1) on my old HP laptop. Both have up-to-date antivirus software and firewall. For all those years I've never had A SINGLE PROBLEM with security, browsing the Internet. I don't use darkweb, I don't download cracked premium software from unknown websites, I barely even watch pornography so I'm positive that I'm not going to move on to Windows 11 or 10 in the upcoming years.
It is great for browsing and office tasks, but sadly it can't run some software, mostly in 2d/3d design or last gen games. Otherwise there is no reason to move on to W10-W11.
I do all the things you mentioned LOL and still fine as well !
Antivirus won't do jack when it comes to system vulnerabilities that might occur.
Got you beat... I'm still running Vista on an old Acer laptop. Mostly to run legacy accounting software that won't run on W10. I keep it offline unless I have to email something then I take it offline again. Been without support for decades. Never had a problem.
@@BetterYet WineVDM should assist you with getting older programs to run on modern software. Just sayian.
I've been using Windows 11 Pro since it became available, upgraded from Windows 10, have had no issues at all. mind you I only built the pc 2-3 years ago
Yeah the comments seem to suggest some people should get off computers altogether if they can’t move from 10 to 11. Never had any issues with windows, if you go apple then you are worse off with hardware that won’t be allowed to run the OS after a certain time.
@@oo0Spyder0oo from what ive seen from macos, the support is a little longer than the average time till people get a new laptop anyway, well at least for the apple macs ive used, yet to see about the newer M1 macs for what to expect from those ones though
I stopped windows 10 from updating a year ago, and my system works just fine without updates.
Some games won't even run without recent windows updates....
The rot that set in which caused updates in the first place, was when computers first started to make changes to the OS and apps while running , quickly followed by removing the Reset Button.
Stopped my win 7 updating 10 years ago and it's fine!
Of course, it means I can't upgrade video or editing software, but I'm getting by.
@@pootle5096 You also can't use direct x 12 either which is a huge deal
@@drunkhusband6257 Shame we won't buy those games then.
I switched to Debian for my home Plex server and Ubuntu for my home PC 1/2 a year ago. Windows has at this point been regulated to the corner to only play those games that Wine/Proton cannot.
It was a learning curve, but it's stable and once you have everything set up, it's nice.
I have dual-booted Linux and Windows for years. This has helped when an issue may appear on either boot, the PC is still usable. When Windows 11 was anounced. I switched to running Linux full-time, with Windows 10 as the fall back. I eventually landed on PopOS as my Linux distro and about 3 months ago upgraded the Win10 boot to Win11. I do not care for the GUI change in Win11. I also do not like that VirtualBox runs slow in Win11. I was able to build a new Proxmox server recently. I installed Win11 as a VM on Proxmox and RDP to that from either my desktop or laptop. I also have Tailscale installed, in theory this will allow me access to Win11 even when traveling. I have the security on my desktop/laptop turned way up. To the point it can interview with registering a new credit card. I now can RDP to Win11, with lower security, to perform account updates when I have issues with my desktop/laptop.
Hope to see you in Linux land late next year. Its not as bad as you think. SteamOS should be ready in Late 2025, now that Nvidia NVK driver is improving quickly, this does leave out Nvidia users pre RTX 2000/GTX 1600 series though. If you have AMD or Intel it should be smooth moving over at that point though. We have Davinci Resolve for Video editing and lightworks. REAPER, Bitwig and now Studio One for audio workstations. Photopea and Krita and GIMP for image editing/painting. Also, many other software and Steam and heroic for gaming. Its not the Linux of 20 years ago. Archlinux FTW, although Linux Mint or Fedora might be a better fit for first timers.
Using Windows 10 LTSC (and Linux Mint) dualbooted, and quite honestly, I feel more safer than using W11. All I do on Windows is productive stuff I do, and everything on the Mint side is personal stuff, just in case I still want to hold on to Windows 10 for more than 5 decades
Window 7 in use. No issues.
I'd have issues. A few months ago, I read, that Steam cut support for Win7 and implemented something from Edge version that only came with win10, so I should not be able to use my steam library on Win7 machine :(
@@looseycanon Still have Win7, and Steam still works even though it stated it won't. Maybe for some newer games Steam does not work, but for all of my older games it still works.
I'm so glad I no longer have to worry about any of this. I'm a Linux user after Windows 10 and have never looked back.
Which Linux distro do you like to use?
@@WrathKing47 Ubuntu and Mint
@@multiverse-republic thanks 👍
It's not even the end of Windows 7 because I'm still using it! ( Of course with good antivirus protection and a VPN when I'm banking, or not
Imma be honest, Windows 11 is just a skin with a tabbed browser and A.I things which you wont need. I would never risk having A.I in my file explorer I cannot trust any company with so much power on my personal computer, its called personal computer for a reason... If I want to play with A.I things there are much healthier ways to go about doing it with just a few google searches. Hope my comment doesnt get deleted.
My college still have windows 7 running on lab machines. Yes, they are all connected to the internet. No, the college do not pay for extended support. All these machines also have ubuntu as alternative already installed. Since it is a public college, they just don't have the money to upgrade all the machines and put windows 11 on them.
Sounds like fun for the software engineering students to learn about security. 😂😂
I''ve been using 11 since the beta (I am sure you have too), and it's been awesome, a little different, still awesome. As its gotten older it's gotten better. If you do plan on updating, surely you already know but never upgrade, always do a clean install. This will perform the best and be MUCH more stable.
You mention the Task Manager is back... it was never gone. It did look a little different, but it wasn't gone.
for me i just hate the layout of everything on windows 11, my family has windows 11 on their computer and sure it seems stable i just wish they gave the option to basically change layouts freely, or if there is i dont know about it since i rarely use their pc. Mine is still windows 10
@@TheJc1192 I totally get it, I didn't like it at first (also makes old macros not work) but you get used to it, but you can move it, there are also programs to move things and make it just like 10. Even as of recently, built into Windows 11, and then programs like Stardock's Start 11.
I keep it looking like it does since my day job, I do support, I need it to look like the people's environment i work with so that I don't forget.
Sadly with support ending, a move to 11 or 12 is recommended, since this is what channel is on, I stay on the latest. Liron also does great "How to's" on it.
I love how Windows 10 was that last ever windows.
I'm going to use Windows 10 as long as Steam supports it
YOU MEAN 5 MORE YEARS+
@@Einaudi-ms5ei yeah. And maybe by this time Windows 11 could be somewhat more developed (or debloated)
@@grievetan you can try Win11 LTSC when it comes out officialy i tried leaked version but it runs so bad
Same here, they only dropped Support for 7 and 8.1 in January, but 10 is still supported.
They claimed Windows 7 is no longer supported, but Steam works here still, it just keeps saying it will stop working in "0 days".
Windows XP lasted for 13 years yet Windows 10 gets 10?
Still using XP SP3 here in 2024.
@@jagmarcI had that for many years, was the best version! 👍
Recently upgraded and switched to Win11, and, once again, I'm very impressed with their upgrade process. In about a day I was already getting used to the new layouts, and personalization can make it layed out similar Win10.
Linux Mint with the Cinnamon interface has a Windows feel to it. I'm currently using Fedora Linux!
Watching this on my Linux Mint mini PC...relaxing... sipping coffee...
I'm on Windows 7 and still getting updates for Windows Security Essentials.
how
I was a Mac user for decades, since 1991 or so. I got fed up with being a second-class citizen in Steam gaming, so I got a Windows 10 rig. I found that Windows wasn't as awful as I was expecting, and occasionally did light bits of work on it. Eventually, I got a Windows laptop as my new work machine (Apple hardware has gone downhill, and Framework looked good.) Thing is... if I'd experienced Windows 11 on my games machine, I'd never have made the switch. Windows 11 is bloaty, ad-laden (!) and generally janky - even on new hardware.
The audio stuff is really glitchy to. Linux isn't as bad and pipewire has cool features to.
Windows 11 is a bloated spyware. It was bogging down a perfectly okay device with 4GB RAM that I use for travel, so I switched to Zorin OS Linux. I was so impressed that I switched my primary device as well to Zorin OS first, then Fedora Linux.
I moved to Mac years ago but still have some legacy apps that require Windows - like SpinRite for HDD and SSD maintenance and repair and a few other speciality apps for my 3D printer. So I have a little HP Celeron machine running Windows 10. As I think about it I think I will just disconnect it from the Internet and carry on. I've done both Linux and Chrome OS and so far the best computers I have ever owned are the Apple Silicon Macs - both a Mini and an Air. Good coverage of the alternatives. Gave me clarity! Thanks.
No more updates, I can live with that !!!
I have lived with no (worrying) updates since Windows 7!
Oh boy, system vulnerabilities, (outdated) program vulnerabities, and malvertising, my favorite meal...
I walked away from Windows dependency years ago when they shut down FrontPage 2003.
In 2011, I bought my first Apple computer, a MacBook Air.
The crazy quick boot-up time was mind-boggling.
Never going back.
If the PC I have doesn't allow Linux installation, I'll just keep it as an offline device for preparing documents and basic image editing.
Thanks for your time in preparing this video. 👌
I have subscribed.
🤝
I'll wager there will be more security holes in windows 11 than there are in 10.
At least for a year or so.
Yeah, & when they get all of the bugs fixed in Win 11, they tell you its no longer supported & you need to upgrade to Win 12.
The only real options here are #2 and #4. Staying on Windows 10 is not practical after end of life and hoping that Windows 12 will be good is nothing but wishful thinking. Either swallow the Microsoft pill and install Windows 11 or do the better thing and install a Linux distro. There are also editions of Windows 10 like Enterprise that actually have support until 2027 I think.
You can use Linux for 90% of your computing needs and have a separate Windows partition around for in case you need Windows for something. I feel like this is the best route to take, personally.
I am on Linux since 1996. As a software developer / gamer / everything. Still amazed that almost everyone prefers Windows.
I've been thinking of heading into Linux, but I just don't want to loose my data or any files I have on my computer, and plus, I don't know how long it will take to install a Linux Operating System compared to a Windows Operating System. I love the amount of choices out there for Linux, just that I want to avoid linux operating systems that tends to have more software issues than stability and such.
Linux is king!
@@SuperFlashDriver It takes about five minutes to install Linux and another five to set up your local account, completely update the system and re-boot and you're ready to go. Windows will take you an hour, minimum. You'll have to back up your files regardless.
@@notjustforhackers4252 Yeah, but uh, thanks for that. I didn't realize it was faster on Linux than it was on windows.
@@SuperFlashDriver You will not lose your files and data. Linux can read all sorts of file systems. It can even emulate a windows filesystem and be a Windows fileserver with Samba. Install takes 15 minutes. If stability is your concern, use Debian. You thinlk Linux is unstable? All webservers and all supercomputers worldwide run Linux, even the ones from Microsoft.
Linux Mint (based on Ubuntu) is a great Linux distro for people coming from Windows.
Windows 10 updates have caused me more data loss than all other malware combined, so this is great news.
This is why I don't understand why people are still getting Windows 10. I like Win10 but I upgraded, sure maybe there are glitches here and there for some of us. I don't get any of them. Then again, I don't do much on my PC except what he mentioned here, use Office 365, watch movies, watch TH-cam, listen to music, read the news, check my email. So, I'm go with Windows 11. I'm a 63 year old senior that just wants things to run good enough to get me through the day and I don't want to mess with a new OS.
I've seen Windows 11, and I don't like the layout, or how it seems to be pitching ads at people who just want an OS. There is legitimately nothing wrong with 10, and I also don't like having to "upgrade" my software just because the people who made it want to push something that is "new for the sake of new".
Wonderful. Only one of my machines is upgradeable to Windows 11.
The big problem with Windows 11 workarounds is that they may only work for a short period of time. Microsoft could release a Windows 11 update at any time that can stop support on an unsupported Windows 10 PC. If you really want to stay supported, you will be forced to purchase a new PC if your Windows 10 PC does not meet Windows 11 minimum requirements. Or, download the zero patch Windows Update scanner, if you still want or need to use Windows 10. If you still want to keep Windows 10, and your machine does not meet Windows 11 requirements, downloading Zero Patch is your best option.
I already moved over to Fedora KDE Linux 3 months ago. Couldn't have chose a better time to do so lol
Solution is simole. Install Windows LTSC IOT Enterprise that will be supported for 10 years and was the better option to begin with.
I think it might stir up some issues for a TH-cam channel with 1 million subscribers to just say "resort to piracy".
@@chitan1362 Hiren's Boot CD has Windows 10 Portable Edition and that will still run regardless of regular Windows 10's EOL status.
@senti2175 how much does a LTSC IOT licence cost and is it available to domestic users?
Ah yes, let me just shell out +/-$900 for an LTSC license and register as a business....
I switched to Linux because I was having crashes with Windows 11. I later realized it was hardware issues with my laptop because the crashes started to occur again on Linux after a few months. So I built my own PC and installed my favorite Linux distribution on it. I was not happy with Windows 11 automatically turning on One Drive without my permission so that was another driver for my decision to switch to Linux.
One Drive pisses me off so badly...
Just wait until the AI integrations and the audio glitching issues get worse. Especially with P/E core Intel CPUs. Yuck!
@smashing_data4292 hardware issues will get you every time whatever the OS as you have found.
BTW, switching off OneDrive is very easy.
@@grahamepigney8565 I don’t want Microsoft undoing my changes. I spent a lot of time automating the deployment of our Windows 10 baseline at work with Ansible. The last thing I want to do is something that looks work related at home. Maybe not the most accurate statement. I’ll spend 8 hours working on software development projects at work only to come home to do 4 hours of work on personal development projects.
Linux, staying with some flavor of Linux.
Yeah, Linux isn't always the answer
@@markusTegelaneIt may not always be, but it's far more of an answer than staying with a dead propietary OS.
@@markusTegelane while windows tends to "no go"
@@dadigitechman Has it's flaws like all OS do. But man I'm not sorry I changed over and never looked back. Getting better for hardcore gamers too. But worth it for the average user. Though just like with anything new, there is a learning curve. But worth it.
Honestly, for 90% of consumers, Linux *is* the answer because everything runs in some variant of Chrome or word processing.
The whole security point is a myth. I run multiple devices with updates permanently disabled and I've never had this much reliability in windows before. Hackers only care about the latest versions, since the large majority is running them. You're actually avoiding being targeted by hackers by staying on obscure versions, that require additional effort to adjust to.
Yeah, I would suggest not to confuse what pass as security for what security actually is.
I never thought about this, but it actually makes perfect sense that hackers would want to target Windows users who are running the latest versions and updates, since most people are quick to install the latest features, bug fixes and security updates.
@@benjaminvlz Sorry to say, but it's actually the opposite. The very first thing they check is if the victim is running an older system to exploit known vulnerabilities.
sooner they stop the software updates the better, they break far more things than they fix
The government searches for vulnerabilities in software, both the OS and applications. These are then identified and published so the vendors have to correct them with updates. Even the Linux distros must do updates. (One malicious backdoor was recently discovered in a linux build but fortunately it was caught before release.) Otherwise all the vulnerabilities that have been published will be exploited by bad actors. Updates are a fact of life with the internet.
Welcome to every update will bound to have some unintended collateral and no two experiences are the same.
I'm glad there won't be any more updates, fixes, or enhancements.
Big turn off for me on Windows there. Time to go Linux.
Yes, join us sensible people. When we are told only a minute number are using Linux, I guess they don't use an Android phone. O/S is Linux driven on ALL android mobiles, tablets etc.
Thank you. So glad I found you, years ago…someone who is knowledgeable and whom I can trust.
Can use a Windows 10 or older in a VM with in stable Linux that is long term there is a basic level or a expert level doing a VM just depends on ones needs.
Windows 11 is also coming to an end with the "Recall" spyware! I'm done with Windows. Moving to Linux full time and using a massively neutered version of Windows only when absolutely required for work or other unavoidable activities, and even then, only within a VM. I'll never install Windows on bare metal again after this.
Funny how when Win 10 was coming out, Microshaft said that it was going to be the last version of windows and they would just maintain it.
I have a 10 laptop and 10 has always been horrendous. A friend updated his to 11 and he has had nothing but problems.
My main system and my main laptop have Win 7 and Linux Mint..
I am in the process of trying to afford purchasing HDDs for every system in my house and switch all of them to Linux while retaining the Windows drives, just in case I need it.
Well I know I will at least need Win 7 for some stuff; it never fails and can't completely get away from the scorge that is Microshaft.
Actually, Microsoft never officially said that Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows. It was said by a developer evangelist at Microsoft to get developers excited about developing for Microsoft Store at the 2015 Microsoft Ignite.
And of course the media blew it up taking it out of context 🤦♂️
Microshaft Winblows 11 somehow is worse than Winblows 8 because at least 8 could run on a lot more hardware offically and didn't have as much spyware or adware. Windows 7 was the last good OS Microsoft ever made. Since then, it's been bad, okay, or really bad.
Another opinion is to make a jump to Apple and the Mac.
I'm considering it since I have to get a new rig unless Windows 12 has low requirements. 🤔
why end ?? you can continue to use it as long as you like, don't need any updates !! I am using windows 7
I use Windows 11 for gaming but I gotta admit, Linux is badass, especially when it comes to automation.
As Windows 10 has no "Recall" AI-Spy-on-me-Function, i will keep 10 indefinitely
I got Win11 on the new computer, so no hardware compatibility issues. Still, I've never had any problem with it. It seems just as fast if not faster. My only gripe is a few old apps not being available when trying to fix a problem.
Windows 11 is a bug in itself
Well I'm still using windows 7 as we speak got ten ready for the change LOL ! But honestly i have malware protection and have had no problems still with windows 7 period !
I still use my Windows 3.11 Jokes on you!
I remember it well
Pfft windows 3.1. I'm still using ms dos
I still using 86-DOS
DOS 4.1 command line beats this
DOS 4.1 is better😊
yh i'm waiting for win12 & hoping against hope it's better and stable.
win11 was bad for vr at the start and the OS just didn't make me update.
I even bought the TPM chip and installed it on my motherboard (not cpu emulation) preparing to update but win11 just never made it worthwhile.
VR is a huge part of my pc use, from using , recording, editing, producing etc.
win12 is a the gamble but it's the last choice left beyond linux for me.
Liron, is there a way to see WHY your PC doesn't meet the requirements? It tells me it doesn't, but I can't see why to possibly remedy the situation or upgrade something.
It should tell you. It might be the TPM requirement (something that can be turned on in the BIOS). Or it could be your processor. If you have a 7th generation Intel or older then it will refuse to upgrade.
There is a website that Windows itself directed me to that told me it is the Celeron processor in my HP X360 that doesn't meet specifications. Try to do a Google search for it as I can't recall the specific page on Windows'website I was directed to.
Windows 7 is still getting occasional updates, yes it isn't like via an updater in the setting, more of an OEM kind of manual patching, but still, I think Windows 10 will get security fixes at least until 2030 or until market share drops below 10%, whatever happens sooner.
I'm still with Windows 7...computer purrs like a kitten.
Love your video, I'm still running MS DOS v 2.12
Anything more is bloat, right?
MS-DOS is bloat. I do all my work by writing my own opcodes.
it would be great if windows can still get extended security updates after 2025 for 3 more years for 3
If only Microsoft opened up the extended security updates model for business for the average user...........
Mint for desktop and WINE for games. All the modern windows apps are being turned into garbage as well, or are unneeded like antvirus scamware.
Is it true that for every 15 minutes, Windows 12 is going to let you work for 11 minutes and then display full-screen commercials for 4 minutes?
Microsoft is dead if they do this.
When dealing with older business critical software and hardware, I'd suggest using the OS upgrade as an excuse for a drive upgrade so you can test the OS first. If everything works you can finish setting it up, and demote the old drive to being your D:\ drive. If something doesn't work then you just swap the drives back till an update is available to fix it.
I don't care, I have one new W11 PC and the OS does not impress me. I run all my ham radio software on an ancient laptop using XP.
Your videos are very helpful, mu windows 10 laptop was up until last week, loaded with Norton antivirus, I have been paying them for years for protection.
I removed it, as I mentioned because one of your other videos showed how windows defender in w10 was pretty good.
I must say that since I removed my Norton anrivirus, my pc is so super fast now. Windows defender seems very good.
I think I will just buy a new pc next year instead of upgrading mine to w11.
Thanks again .
Well from the news I hear, people are going back to 10 from 11. Some of the reasons being MS insistence on pushing ADS to users with OS updates and the bricking of some 3rd party software like VPN services. The sheer arrogance of MS to push users to update, from an OS people have paid for, and move on is staggering. It's akin to Ford for example saying, the Fiesta you have now will be useless in two years unless you upgrade!
I ended up with a Windows 10 laptop due to misadvertising. I didn't actually have any problems with it, but just didn't like it, so bought a reconditioned Windows 10 instead. Linux will be next.
I'll follow my usual pattern of adopting the next version of Windows when I'm ready to. I didn't start using Windows 10 until about three years after it came out.
Did you say Oct 2025? That's a long ways away, so why worry now?
If you fail to plan you plan to fail
If you run a business with PCs in the admin sector, 1.5 years is NOT a long time to go. You need to get moving now!!
A ton of computers can’t even upgrade to windows 11, even my gaming rig couldn’t do it.
Just installed Windows 10 for the first time. I think if we all agree not to use Windows 11, Microsoft will have to fix and finish 10.
Finally upgraded from Windows 7 to run new hardware. Not that I wanted to.
Used Shutup10+, WinAeroTweaker, and OpenShell to make 10 function as much like Windows 7 as possible.
Disabled Windows Update Service, but for some reason it keeps re-enabling it occasionally. I get a lot of ndis blue screens of deth.