@quacker7900 Oh man, totally missed him! Dang! I just rated him on the system and he’d rank at 12 between Phylla-Vell and Ajak. His look and alignment are completely different and he is not a cyborg, but he does kinda have cyborg like enhanced abilities due to the MCU version of Extremis. He still has a connection to the military in his backstory and was even the same rank. So basically, was in the military and underwent technological procedures that increased his abilities. Otherwise he is a completely different character. So now either Skaar is 21 or the lowest is -1 on the list, take you’re pick! And good catch!
Just as Fantagonistic said though, the characters in marvel comics are liked by fans for a reason (or if they are not liked - then why include in the first place?). So Mantis is more of an exception rather than an example, which we can use to justify changing the characters completely. If you are going to change a character completely, then it's better to just create an entirely new character with a new name and premise, rather than butchering an existing character
@ the thing is, nobody really wants to see a story about an original character in the MCU, it’s not what they’re here for. Personally, I’m fine with vaguer points of inspiration being taken to reinvent characters in order to take them in new directions and fit them into this narrative.
Mantis is kind of unique because she is the most batshit insane character with the weirdest author relationship involved lmao. They could have kept parts of it and made her a little more significant rather than pure dope, I actually like Mantis in Marvel Rivals personality wise a ton more just for that.
@@Quwa-o6h fans bitch way too much about original characters. If a character like mantis sucks, it's better to have some level of familiarity and history than introduce an OC that people are gonna try to shit on. The only MCU oc I think of that people didn't complain about was Coulson.
yeah i'm very glad they made changes to her because her comic book version is all over the place, but they could have also taken more reference to her comic book counterpart to appease certain fans, I'm not one of those fans but still. I prefer mcu mantis how she is tho, and I love the marvel rivals version too
Sounds awful. Sylvester Stallone is pure cringe nowadays. The man is like 80 and still trying to do the tough guy act in movies, when a slight breeze is all you need to take him out
What about Kamala Khan? They completely changed her stretchy powers to hard light powers and changed her from Inhuman to mutant. And while she became a mutant in the comics, that was after the Disney+ show and you didn't count any retcons to the comics after the character's appearance in the MCU.
@@SeanWheeler100 I have Kamala on the full list and she’s fairly low. What they changed in her powers is somewhat made up for by her personality, elements of her costume, and her being a fan of Captain Marvel (even if that doesn’t make as much sense in the MCU version) The power changes and origin change both bother me, and I hate that they changed her to a mutant in the comics after.
@@Fantagonistic But apparently not low enough to make the bottom 20. What number is she on your full list? Are you going to make another part of the list that shows her?
@ If this video does really well I’d like to make a full list video, but it’d be over an hour long I imagine so we’ll see. I just rechecked it and saw she’s a bit higher than I’d remembered, but that’s only because of how drastically different so many other smaller characters are in all the ranking categories.
I think she Hulk was such a wasted opportunity Edit: I think she Hulk would have worked better as a cheaper but longer 24 ep a season episodic tv drama. It's like a more comedic version of better call soul
Yeah. Woke Hollywood (Wokewood) is so afraid of actual beautiful females / female characters. Even mocap actresses that do games, game studios are making them ugly on purpose. Remember actual strong, independent female characters like … oh… idk -- SARAH CONNOR, ELLEN RIPLEY, etc..?
AS a huge fan of the original Captain Mar-Vell and an even bigger fan of Jim Stalin's 1982 masterpiece, "The Death of Captain Marvel" I despise everything they have done with a character named Marvel. Starlin is a guy who brought us Thanos, Drax, Gamora and Nebula (long before the current version of the Guardians of the Galaxy) and wrote the Infinity Gauntlet mini-series in 1991. If there's anyone's work that shouldn't be messed with, it's Starlin' (Ok maybe John Byrne too). Marvel?Disney still haven't figured out how important the comic book canon is for the franchise long term.
@@milesalpha1 I went into Captain Marvel fully expecting Mar-Vell to be in it. I hadn’t watched any trailers so imagine my disappointment. Starlin is one of my favorite comic writers of all time too. I think Carol would be doing a lot better in the MCU if they’d had Jude Law playing Mar-Vell in her origin movie. Would have humanized her more and added another cool character to the lore. Such a shame.
@@FantagonisticI watched it thinking that Jude Law was gonna play Mar-Vell, instead they made him an old lady. Although on the bright side this way the didn't make him a villain, which knowing them, they're completely capable of doing.
Even the disrepect for Starlin aside, gender-swapping Mar-Vell is the dumbest thing in the movie and is proof there's no "quality control" at Marvel. The whole theme of the movie is Carol failing, having a patriarchal figure telling her she should quit and then her succeeding. And when we get to the final act, where she faces off against the Supreme Intelligence, the whole thing falls flat because she rises up against an elderly woman instead of the patriarchy. They failed to follow the theme of the movie because some idiot thought it would be a good idea to genderswap Mar-Vell.
@@FantagonisticNext, do a video for Marvel characters (whether heroes, villains, etc.) who aren't superheroes or supervillains (as in, they lack powers).
Why did he need a major role in The Infinity Saga? I don't believe in the notion that adaptations of characters need to be as important as who they're based on in order to be faithful adaptations of them. Not to mention the fact that Infinity War isn't a direct adaptation of The Infinity Gauntlet.
In the only role he's been in he was good, very different but good, and it's just an origin story for this version of the character so it's way too early if the character will be good by the end of his story
You know who else could had been mentioned? The Janet Van Dyne WASP Character Michelle Pfeiffer. Personality, motive, look, powers, work occupation - nothing is similiar.
@@calltyshon Basically the only similarities are her relationship with Hank Pym and that she was known as The Wasp back in time. She’s quite low on the overall list too sadly since I love comic Wasp.
@@calltyshon Wasp is honestly probably my favorite Avenger ever in the comics so the MCU's handling of the Ant-Man mythos has been so terribly disheartening.
@mrl-u6f absolutely none of that. None of the flirtatious socialite fashionista who led the Avengers, only a generic hardass and her generic scientist mom. At least she called Hank "Henry", once or twice.
I mean, if you're gonna mention Janet, you kinda have to mention Hank too. The reason she was changed so much was because they changed him so much. It kind of snowballed.
@@FantagonisticIn the Comics, Moon Knight got his mental illness from the guilt of killing innocent people and children for fun/money. The guilt was meant to drive him to be a hero alongside the ghost of Khonshu (think "Christmas Carol"). And his multiple personalities were never genuine illness, but a way for him to falsely cope with the guilt of his past. He can now just claim "I didn't do it, it was Marc and I'm Steven Grant" in order to get some comfort. He was also never abused as a kid, but rather he WAS the abuser. As he occasionally beat the crap out of his Dad as a Teen for being weak and pathetic. Now grant it, Marvel Comics changed this in 2016 to the briefly cannon "All New All Different" version (which the MCU Moon Knight is loosely based on). But to claim this is a true adaptation of the character is like saying "I want a movie Punisher without his guns and to instead be a sword welding Ninja with a Japanese skull logo". I mean.... It did happen in the comics, but it's a very drastic change to the Character to the point where he's no longer Punisher. 2016 Moon Knight is NOT Moon Knight.
@@Name-..- MCU Moon Knight is already loosely based an "All New, All Different" reinvention of Moon Knight. So its a water-down lose adaptation of a reimagining of Moon Knight. It be like if the MCU made Punisher a Ninja that uses swords instead of guns and had a Japanese skull logo (without prior existence of classic Punisher in MCU). Yeah, it happened in the comics but..... That's not really Punisher. Also MCU/All New All Different changed Moon Knight into being a victim.... He is not a victim, he IS the abuser. He has a history of doing awful things to innocent people and abused his dad as a teen. You are suppose to hate Marc Spector and want to see him suffer mentally to become a better person. Like "A Christmas Carol", to simplify things.
@@RamsTheNameCom I haven't seen moon knight in a while (cause I refuse to pay for disney+ until they change things), but that can still be true with the third personality they revealed, though as I said, idk if they have already started exploring that
I hate what they did with Mar-Vell. Look, if they didn't want him to be involved in Carol's story, fine. But they didn't just waste him, they also made it insulting. I do like this version of Scarlet Scarab and hope that she returns, someday. There's also... MODOK... And Chameleon (in Far From Home) (please do a villains list). I also think a fun video would be Marvel characters not adapted to film or the MCU, yet. Like Mojo or Mr. Sinister. Great vid.
@@Panimal98 Thanks! I thought Scarlet Scarab actually looked pretty cool and I liked the actress. I just think either make up a new name for an original character or tie her into the existing lore. And yes, Mar-Vell being so wasted was a tragedy for the MCU.
"Well we didn’t want a guy being associated with Carol and her powers" Then don’t adapt it then, if you’re not gonna be accurate to the character then why make a movie if said character is going to be involved? This is the same movie that made Fury losing his eye look like a joke
@@Right_BumperExactly. There are plenty of other characters they can use, anyway?? Renaming her Mar-Vell just alienates fans. And Fury SERIOUSLY should have gotten the scar another way. I'd honestly rather them have left that unanswered.
Honorable mentions would be spider-man, who went from being an independent character who mostly got things done on his own, to being reliant on the avengers and eventually literal better interpretations of himself and she-hulk just because the mcu version is a terrible person the plot tries to gaslight the viewers into thinking is cool
@@wuudy_doniHes narratively dependent on Tony Stark…and looking up to the Avengers for validation. He shouldn’t need Happy as a chaperone helicopter baby sitter.
@@valeclaw1697 she honestly should have been a character from the very first film and a villain in the second one instead of Malekith but whatever. When they announced that the fourth Thor would be LOVE and Thunder I was convinced we'd get the Enchantress, and no sign of her still. I give up.
Hawkeye was actually fairly accurate, it's just that his main inspiration was Ultimate Hawkeye, who was a more serious agent with a secret family. A lot of early MCU was based on the Ultimate comics. As time went on, they did start incorporating more aspects of 616 Clint.
except when it works like with the gotg? perfect accuracy is not the main focus of adaption, otherwise there is not point to changing the medium outside of it being a thought experiment
@verdurite you say that but would it not be infinitely better to just make an interesting new character instead of just being lazy and reusing some random characters name, thus condemning that character. For example, starhawk could've actually been starhawk if they hadn't decided to do what they did. Or better yet just make starhawk instead of giving a throwaway character the name
@@verdurite Yondu was an interesting sort of elseworlds interpretation of the character. Whole Ajak did not work very well, they tried something different at any rate. All of these Spider-Man characters that are relegated to the background, only existing in the high school, *that* type of massacre is what I am referring to.
I remember Scarlet Scarab and while I watched the show I said "How does a hippo give her wings? She should be working her Isis (the goddess) or Horus." Do a part 2 and one for villians
Good video, I seriously don’t like how they made so many changes from the comics to the adaptation. The original versions are perfectly fine in the comics and even cooler.
@@demonic_myst4503 ikr that’s too weird but like if she was an interesting character I could understand why but no she wasn’t and typical comic book character must have 50 different backstory’s and powers only to have it retcon and explain it more complicated didn’t help either
At this point I'm wondering if comicbook accuracy is even a factor for pleasing fans, because they go out of their way to retroactively change characters in the comics to better suit their supposed adapted versions.
This is why I do not want Disney to regain full rights to Spider-Man his cast of characters. I know Sony hasn't really made them work outside of Spider-Verse or the Toby Maguire movies, but let's be honest, I dread to know what they'd do to characters like Kraven, Scarlet Spider or even Venom.
Do you think Venom and Kraven are comparable to Bluebird and Black Tiger? I guarantee 90% of the people watching this video have never heard of them, that's why these characters are relegated to easter eggs, Silk is mostly known for her weird pheromone sex thing she has with Peter Parker because aside from that her normal backstory is just being another forgetable spider person who was secrely bitten by the same spider as Peter
@@aman541 My point exactly. The Eternals were unknowns, and remember what they did to them? Dollars to doughnuts they're going to do to Kraven what they did to Skaar, and do to Venom what they did too the Mandarin.
Maybe a seperate list for characters that were kinda butchered: Black Panther, Thor, and Hulk stand out in that regard. T'Challa is a Super Genius and Tactical Mastermind in the Comics. But they made Shuri, the Super Genius instead of Griot (Druid). Thor is not a dumb fratbro in the comics. Hulk is not Tony's Science Bro or a dude who loses all his fight, Hulk peaked in Avengers.
@ that don’t mean it make senses for Banner at all. If you take Banner, Stark, T’Challa, Pym and Reed put them in a line then Banner and Stark should be on opposite ends of the spectrum. Tony is establishment and Bruce is anti establishment.
@Sjaddix I'm just saying it was the best they could do in the realm of giving Stark an intellectual counterpart. If we're being real Hulk probably shouldn't even be in the Avengers at all since he's spent practically no time on the team after leaving it in #2 and fighting it in #3, should have saved his team up for Defenders. Do not strawman my argument or put words in my mouth.
That was interesting to watch. I didn't even know a lot of those characters before watching so thanks a lot :) I'd love to see the long version of that video xD
My vote for worst is Michelle in the Spider-Man films. I figured they based her on one of Peter's roommates post Brand New Day. What makes her the worst is when she suddenly becomes M.J. I was soo pissed off.
3:42 comic book Mantis is kind of annoying honestly. She's shoehorned in everywhere and seems like the author's overpowered fetish. I think they made her more interesting in the MCU.
When you make your Villians list Ultron has to be on that list. Also one suggestion you may want to use clips from shows/games etc. to show they were done better in other depictions. Ultron was hands down the best in Avengers earth's lightest Heroes cartoon...the movie made wish Strak died in the Middle East so he couldn't use his brain patterns for their universe's Ultron.
@@BrontoSmilodon1 I love the EMH versions of most characters. I was thinking of doing a separate ranking for cartoon or game universes. It’s a shame when a cartoon adapts things much better than a multi-million dollar movie.
I don’t really agree with Ultron, MCU was created by Tony and Bruce so he’d obviously be different from comic Ultron given that one was made by Hank Pym
@Right_Bumper which is why MCU Ultron is a horrible adaptation because of how quippy he his. Part of why Ultron is so menacing is due to his lack of personality. No one can barely reason with him.
Please do a video on some of the DC movie characters. The Black Adam characters were particularly horrendous given that their origins were never explained and they simply assigned random personalities to them. I think the Birds Of Pret characters were also done horrendously. It pisses me off how female characters are adapted in movies that are supposed to empower them, but then they strip away the coolest most empowering aspects of those female characters making them lackluster and underwhelming.
Dude you have so much content from this video alone You could do a part 2, do one for the villain's and then invert and do the most accurate using those same methods, and a villain video version Also love the video 😀
Earth-616 > Earth-10999. The absence of the actual Mar-Vell pisses me off. I now consider the MCU just a bunch of bullshit to watch when I want to waste time.
@@Chan-zn7wb I kept it to characters who’ve appeared in officially produced MCU projects. Until we see them show up we won’t know if they’re using the same versions of the characters. Iron Fist would appear very low, but there’s such drastically changed characters that he likely wouldn’t be bottom 20. At the very LEAST he does have an iron fist, is blonde, does martial arts, and knows Luke Cage. Even if they changed so much about the guy and really didn’t bother with the costume, he at least gets points for these superficial elements.
@@Fantagonisticactually we do know that they’re officially using the same version of the characters from the Netflix series because the Defenders Saga series has officially become canon in the main MCU universe/continuity since Daredevil Born Again has been reworked into and been declared a sequel/continuation of the Defenders Saga & the Daredevil original series. The Defenders Saga shows are now considered MCU projects.
@ Yeah, they’ve said that, but we’ll know for sure once Born Again comes out how seriously they’re taking the Netflix continuity. I always just thought of them as canon, same with Agents of Shield, then they declared they weren’t and I was bummed. Then they planned to use the actors, but not the continuity and now they’re saying they’re gonna use the continuity again. I’ll wait until the characters officially show up and then see how well it all ties together.
@Fantagonistic I think I understand your logic. I guess when 'The Defenders' were added to the 'Sacred Timeline' via Disney+ and the brouhaha his series spawned since it was announced, he's at least get a (dis) honourable mention. Maybe I'd just a jaded Danny Rand stan because apparently after his show got fucked by completing disregarding his origin story, the Scott Buck ran show became not just a show, but now proof of concept for the very *viability* of Danny Rand functioning as Iron Fist in the *comics* ! I don't think this has happened in the history of fandom.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 BRILLIANT video. Original idea & well done. I don’t watch MCU movie for this exact reason. I am a comic book nerd and when DC/Marvel/Image etc make changes on screen, I 😢. You DEFINITELY need parts 2-10 and include DC (Arrowverse), Image (Witchblade), Valiant (Bloodshot).
5:14 tbf, I have to defense Marvel on this one, the og Yondu is from another alternate future like how Spider-Man 2099 is from another alternate future, the prime version actually never exist in 616 until the Star Lord run, so it wasn't much of a change from movie to comic, this is more on canon immigrant than retconning imo. However, I will not defending the actual retcon in the Yondu solo run, they basically make OG Yondu go back in time to meet the 616 Yondu aka his ancestor, to teach him how to control the Yaka arrow, show him the way, only to be kill by Marvel editor just so 616 Yondu can fulfill the destiny of him being the great Yondu in the future timeline.
I used to like the mcu, but since it became the m-dei-u and all the entertainment & integrity went out the window, just to pander to a very small percentage of people who most of them aren't fans, is disgusting. Don't get me wrong many of the comic artists & writers these day are injecting their b.s. propaganda & identity politics as well. It's sad, I used to enjoy almost anything Marvel related when I was younger. I hope Disney & Marvel go more broke than bud light
Honestly I think Mcu mantis changed for the better not because of lore but because comic one is just something of a Mary Sue that isn’t interesting other then her irl creation
Good or bad adaptaion should not be based solely on fidelity imho. I think mantis is one of the BETTER adaptations as they did something better than the source material. It's like saying jurassic park is a bad adaptation
@@Nyarlartt Completely agree. It’s on a case by case basis. A good writer can usually see what’ll work and what won’t and make changes as necessary. A bad writer will just not care and change everything just cause they can. Jurassic Park is a great example cause they kept the spirit of the story while changing many, many details.
That's what's being judged, something can have a good overall quality but still be bad as an adaptation. I haven't read the Jurassic Park book but judging by your comment, then yes, it would be a bad adaptation, which again does not mean bad movie.
Mantis definitely, she was such a mess in the comics. All though I think a better adaptation was in the Guardians game. She is very bubbly and sweet but not as naive as her MCU counterpart. She’s like a space therapist and that’s pretty cool.
@ As much as a comic purist as I can be, I completely agree that they made the right call on changes here. It would’ve been fascinating though to see then attempt to adapt her straight.
@@Fantagonistic Sometimes making changes to certain characters is for the better when it comes to adaptation, like Mr Freeze from BTAS as he was very different from his comic counterpart like giving him a wife and a tragic backstory while he originally was just some dude who was basically a generic ice villain, and now he’s one of the most popular Batman villain. I think Spider-Verse also helped with the other Spider-Man, Miles, as it gave him more attributes and personality traits to differentiate him from Peter.
@ I completely agree with both those examples. Changes are not always bad if the writer knows what they’re doing. Mr. Freeze has benefitted so much from that change and I never really liked comic Miles but I liked him a lot in the movie. They kept the elements of both these characters that worked and then added to them.
Annoying thing about stuff like this is that, because they didn’t just make a fully original character, they just make things difficult if they want to use a certain character further down the line
Thats why I hate it when people say James Gunn is good at comic adaptations. No, he is good at making his own OCs, slapping on the name of existing characters, and butchering what were once cool comic characters in their own right.
@@leebland8184 If I was including Shield agents Sitwell and Pierce would rate pretty low since they’re changed so much, but they likely wouldn’t have made it into the bottom 20. Will do on the villains list!
@@ericjohnson3140 Yeah, but why would you cast an actress with only one leg to play a character who has both legs and parkours through the streets. It’s a very peculiar choice to me.
@@Fantagonistic They were trying to be inclusive by letting an amputee play an able-bodied character, which is an awful casting similar to raceswapping.
Simple rule- If it’s not in the comics, DONT do it. Represent them as they are in the comics. I’m all for originality characters to stand out on their own, but the rest, don’t change the pre established characters at all.
@@korygrey6170 Yep, the in the Daredevil show she’s another of the women who’ve held the title. I didn’t do any of the none MCU produced projects, but she would rate a teeny bit higher since she patches up Daredevil a bit…at night!
America Chavez in the comics was an incredibly unpopular and terrible character created only to push a political narrative. The MCU version was at the very least an upgrade by making her cuter and more vulnerable. A character isn't better just because they are "more powerful."
@@DarkArtistkeepscallingme-pj2et There are a lot of characters they drastically changed who are not in the bottom 20 because more elements of them are adapted correctly than these 20 were. That doesn’t mean characters above were adapted well though.
Ok, im starting to see a pattern here. So when are they gonna race swap a black character or gender swap a female character? Do you think Disney’s got the balls to do that? And somehow they make the characters worse. If it was a case like Nick Fury, it wouldn’t bother people so much.
The number of villains I was able to blurt out quick fire that they botched worries me immensely. Gorr, Taskmaster, Super-Skrull, Kang, Scorpion, the Mandarin, Leap Frog, Karl/Karli Morganthau, Ronin, Malekith, Dormammu, MODOK, just to name a few. Most of these are from phase 4 & 5. I'm noticing a pattern.
@ and I’ll bet most of those stories are all shit considering how poor reviews are for modern marvel comics and how they aren’t selling as well as they used to
@@axelnilsson5124 of course it matters. There’s nothing controversial about the original characters. Marvel wants to be more inclusive and would rather change an existing, more popular character to do so instead of making original characters
are you going to add Top 20 NON-USED CHARACTERS that were in the comics and other shows that didn't make it into the MCU? also, two other dudes that should be on this list should be Jimmy Wu and the Black Knight from Eternals
I think they decided to take the name of comics characters as a regular human to show us that in THIS universe they didn't get a chance to be a superhero or supervillain. But again, I'm just a regular guy and I don't know the real reason on that. Love your videos!
@@erzet_channel Thanks! I’ll be floored if they grab some of these actors to play comic accurate versions of their characters in a multiverse cameo some day.
There are times where I think movie original additions work and enhance the character. Magneto’s helmet being psychic proof is a very natural mainstay that most would swear was always a thing but in reality that was something added in the original Fox movie. The Mr. Freeze we know and love today is from the animated series. He was not a tragic villain before that. Spider-Man India I hear was completely reworked from a boring nobody who was just Peter but from India into the dynamic fun loveable guy we saw in Spiderverse. But yeah when it feels like they just pulled names out of a hat for a character that seemed to have nothing to do with who they’re claiming are being adapted, then it just feels like a waste.
I liked this video a lot. I do feel it's important to point out on the section with Echo, that the reason that Echo has one leg in the show is because Alaqua Cox, the actress that plays Echo actually does have a prosthetic leg. As far as I'm aware, it has never been said how she lost her leg, but she is an amputee.
I was expecting Eric Savin/Coldblood-7 to be on this list
@quacker7900 Oh man, totally missed him! Dang!
I just rated him on the system and he’d rank at 12 between Phylla-Vell and Ajak.
His look and alignment are completely different and he is not a cyborg, but he does kinda have cyborg like enhanced abilities due to the MCU version of Extremis. He still has a connection to the military in his backstory and was even the same rank.
So basically, was in the military and underwent technological procedures that increased his abilities. Otherwise he is a completely different character.
So now either Skaar is 21 or the lowest is -1 on the list, take you’re pick! And good catch!
@@Fantagonistic good to see your ranking, thanks for the response
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@@Fyre19 he was a cyborg soldier in the comics
@quacker7900 that doesnt tell me about this guy
Mantis does prove that bad adaptations can be good characters in their own regard.
Just as Fantagonistic said though, the characters in marvel comics are liked by fans for a reason (or if they are not liked - then why include in the first place?). So Mantis is more of an exception rather than an example, which we can use to justify changing the characters completely. If you are going to change a character completely, then it's better to just create an entirely new character with a new name and premise, rather than butchering an existing character
@ the thing is, nobody really wants to see a story about an original character in the MCU, it’s not what they’re here for. Personally, I’m fine with vaguer points of inspiration being taken to reinvent characters in order to take them in new directions and fit them into this narrative.
Mantis is kind of unique because she is the most batshit insane character with the weirdest author relationship involved lmao. They could have kept parts of it and made her a little more significant rather than pure dope, I actually like Mantis in Marvel Rivals personality wise a ton more just for that.
@@Quwa-o6h fans bitch way too much about original characters. If a character like mantis sucks, it's better to have some level of familiarity and history than introduce an OC that people are gonna try to shit on. The only MCU oc I think of that people didn't complain about was Coulson.
yeah i'm very glad they made changes to her because her comic book version is all over the place, but they could have also taken more reference to her comic book counterpart to appease certain fans, I'm not one of those fans but still. I prefer mcu mantis how she is tho, and I love the marvel rivals version too
I will never forgive what they did to taskmaster and gorr
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Them Malekith, kurse, ultron, the skrulls, supreme intelligence, baron von strucker and baron von Zemo
OMG! 1000% agree. I literally turned of the Widow movie because of that
Amen to that
what about space cloud Galactus
Kinda amused by the idea of Sylvester Stallone and Michelle Yeoh as adopted siblings.
@@ninjaconsultantsixshot I’d watch a movie exploring their MCU version backstories.
Sounds awful. Sylvester Stallone is pure cringe nowadays. The man is like 80 and still trying to do the tough guy act in movies, when a slight breeze is all you need to take him out
Aren't their characters married in the MCU?
What about Kamala Khan? They completely changed her stretchy powers to hard light powers and changed her from Inhuman to mutant. And while she became a mutant in the comics, that was after the Disney+ show and you didn't count any retcons to the comics after the character's appearance in the MCU.
@@SeanWheeler100 I have Kamala on the full list and she’s fairly low. What they changed in her powers is somewhat made up for by her personality, elements of her costume, and her being a fan of Captain Marvel (even if that doesn’t make as much sense in the MCU version)
The power changes and origin change both bother me, and I hate that they changed her to a mutant in the comics after.
@@Fantagonistic But apparently not low enough to make the bottom 20. What number is she on your full list? Are you going to make another part of the list that shows her?
@ If this video does really well I’d like to make a full list video, but it’d be over an hour long I imagine so we’ll see. I just rechecked it and saw she’s a bit higher than I’d remembered, but that’s only because of how drastically different so many other smaller characters are in all the ranking categories.
@@FantagonisticJust extend the list and give us 40 thru 20.
I hate that character’s existence.
I think she Hulk was such a wasted opportunity
Edit: I think she Hulk would have worked better as a cheaper but longer 24 ep a season episodic tv drama. It's like a more comedic version of better call soul
So was hulk
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Yeah. Woke Hollywood (Wokewood) is so afraid of actual beautiful females / female characters. Even mocap actresses that do games, game studios are making them ugly on purpose.
Remember actual strong, independent female characters like … oh… idk -- SARAH CONNOR, ELLEN RIPLEY, etc..?
She Hulk was perfectly lifted off the panels. People just didn’t like the show
@B-Mag i think the show would have been way better as a 24 ep tv show/ with a lower budget
AS a huge fan of the original Captain Mar-Vell and an even bigger fan of Jim Stalin's 1982 masterpiece, "The Death of Captain Marvel" I despise everything they have done with a character named Marvel. Starlin is a guy who brought us Thanos, Drax, Gamora and Nebula (long before the current version of the Guardians of the Galaxy) and wrote the Infinity Gauntlet mini-series in 1991. If there's anyone's work that shouldn't be messed with, it's Starlin' (Ok maybe John Byrne too). Marvel?Disney still haven't figured out how important the comic book canon is for the franchise long term.
@@milesalpha1 I went into Captain Marvel fully expecting Mar-Vell to be in it. I hadn’t watched any trailers so imagine my disappointment. Starlin is one of my favorite comic writers of all time too.
I think Carol would be doing a lot better in the MCU if they’d had Jude Law playing Mar-Vell in her origin movie. Would have humanized her more and added another cool character to the lore. Such a shame.
@@FantagonisticI watched it thinking that Jude Law was gonna play Mar-Vell, instead they made him an old lady. Although on the bright side this way the didn't make him a villain, which knowing them, they're completely capable of doing.
Even the disrepect for Starlin aside, gender-swapping Mar-Vell is the dumbest thing in the movie and is proof there's no "quality control" at Marvel. The whole theme of the movie is Carol failing, having a patriarchal figure telling her she should quit and then her succeeding. And when we get to the final act, where she faces off against the Supreme Intelligence, the whole thing falls flat because she rises up against an elderly woman instead of the patriarchy. They failed to follow the theme of the movie because some idiot thought it would be a good idea to genderswap Mar-Vell.
This was a massive disrespect to the character.
@@hughallison4639
Oh come on now.
Great video! A video about the villains that aren’t like their comic book counterparts would be great to watch.
@@Silvere1 There’s some really drastic changes in the villains so that will be interesting! Thanks!
@@Fantagonistic Thanks! You just got a new sub! Keep up the great work!
@@FantagonisticNext, do a video for Marvel characters (whether heroes, villains, etc.) who aren't superheroes or supervillains (as in, they lack powers).
Watched his villains vid before the heroes one. W comment
Bro is acting like america chavez was a good character in the comics 💀
she was very cool in the young avengers lol
doubt you read any of that though
Honorable mention should be modern Thor since Ragnarok. Infinity War and Endgame big fight was the last time we saw Thor
Thor Love And Thunder 😑🤨
@@OfficialSkullyYTWhat Thor 4? There is no Thor 4!
@@platypusnoise search it up :/ it was made in 2022
Last time we saw a decent marvel movie.
Thor dumb and blunder
Adam Warlock was a wasted useless nothing in the MCU, whereas he should have had a MAJOR role in the Infinity Saga.
There was already too many (established) characters
Why did he need a major role in The Infinity Saga? I don't believe in the notion that adaptations of characters need to be as important as who they're based on in order to be faithful adaptations of them. Not to mention the fact that Infinity War isn't a direct adaptation of The Infinity Gauntlet.
@@KnightEclipser Probably because he was a major character in the Infinity Gauntlet comic that Infinity War and Endgame were based on.
In the only role he's been in he was good, very different but good, and it's just an origin story for this version of the character so it's way too early if the character will be good by the end of his story
@@samiamtheman7379That doesn't mean that he needs a major role in The Infinity Saga.
You know who else could had been mentioned? The Janet Van Dyne WASP Character Michelle Pfeiffer. Personality, motive, look, powers, work occupation - nothing is similiar.
@@calltyshon Basically the only similarities are her relationship with Hank Pym and that she was known as The Wasp back in time. She’s quite low on the overall list too sadly since I love comic Wasp.
@@calltyshon Wasp is honestly probably my favorite Avenger ever in the comics so the MCU's handling of the Ant-Man mythos has been so terribly disheartening.
@mrl-u6f absolutely none of that. None of the flirtatious socialite fashionista who led the Avengers, only a generic hardass and her generic scientist mom. At least she called Hank "Henry", once or twice.
@mrl-u6f try Avengers EMH for a much closer look
I mean, if you're gonna mention Janet, you kinda have to mention Hank too. The reason she was changed so much was because they changed him so much. It kind of snowballed.
Moon Knight should be here they basically rewrote him entirely
@@firios109 Moon Knight is very changed, but there is enough similar about him, especially superficially, to keep him off the bottom 20.
@@FantagonisticIn the Comics, Moon Knight got his mental illness from the guilt of killing innocent people and children for fun/money.
The guilt was meant to drive him to be a hero alongside the ghost of Khonshu (think "Christmas Carol").
And his multiple personalities were never genuine illness, but a way for him to falsely cope with the guilt of his past.
He can now just claim "I didn't do it, it was Marc and I'm Steven Grant" in order to get some comfort.
He was also never abused as a kid, but rather he WAS the abuser. As he occasionally beat the crap out of his Dad as a Teen for being weak and pathetic.
Now grant it, Marvel Comics changed this in 2016 to the briefly cannon "All New All Different" version (which the MCU Moon Knight is loosely based on).
But to claim this is a true adaptation of the character is like saying "I want a movie Punisher without his guns and to instead be a sword welding Ninja with a Japanese skull logo".
I mean.... It did happen in the comics, but it's a very drastic change to the Character to the point where he's no longer Punisher.
2016 Moon Knight is NOT Moon Knight.
He was changed but it worked out good imo
@@Name-..- MCU Moon Knight is already loosely based an "All New, All Different" reinvention of Moon Knight.
So its a water-down lose adaptation of a reimagining of Moon Knight.
It be like if the MCU made Punisher a Ninja that uses swords instead of guns and had a Japanese skull logo (without prior existence of classic Punisher in MCU).
Yeah, it happened in the comics but..... That's not really Punisher.
Also MCU/All New All Different changed Moon Knight into being a victim.... He is not a victim, he IS the abuser.
He has a history of doing awful things to innocent people and abused his dad as a teen.
You are suppose to hate Marc Spector and want to see him suffer mentally to become a better person.
Like "A Christmas Carol", to simplify things.
@@RamsTheNameCom I haven't seen moon knight in a while (cause I refuse to pay for disney+ until they change things), but that can still be true with the third personality they revealed, though as I said, idk if they have already started exploring that
I hate what they did with Mar-Vell. Look, if they didn't want him to be involved in Carol's story, fine. But they didn't just waste him, they also made it insulting. I do like this version of Scarlet Scarab and hope that she returns, someday. There's also... MODOK... And Chameleon (in Far From Home) (please do a villains list).
I also think a fun video would be Marvel characters not adapted to film or the MCU, yet. Like Mojo or Mr. Sinister. Great vid.
@@Panimal98 Thanks! I thought Scarlet Scarab actually looked pretty cool and I liked the actress. I just think either make up a new name for an original character or tie her into the existing lore.
And yes, Mar-Vell being so wasted was a tragedy for the MCU.
@@Fantagonistic Definitely agreed with both. Remember when they just made new characters like Coulson and Darcie?
@ Definitely prefer when they do that cause we get a whole new character outta it too!
"Well we didn’t want a guy being associated with Carol and her powers"
Then don’t adapt it then, if you’re not gonna be accurate to the character then why make a movie if said character is going to be involved? This is the same movie that made Fury losing his eye look like a joke
@@Right_BumperExactly. There are plenty of other characters they can use, anyway?? Renaming her Mar-Vell just alienates fans. And Fury SERIOUSLY should have gotten the scar another way. I'd honestly rather them have left that unanswered.
Honorable mentions would be spider-man, who went from being an independent character who mostly got things done on his own, to being reliant on the avengers and eventually literal better interpretations of himself and she-hulk just because the mcu version is a terrible person the plot tries to gaslight the viewers into thinking is cool
how is mcu spider man reliant on the avengers when he beat most his villains by himself 😭
@@wuudy_doniThe first MCU Spider-Man movie had him working under Iron man and the second had him with Nick Fury.
@@wuudy_doniHes narratively dependent on Tony Stark…and looking up to the Avengers for validation. He shouldn’t need Happy as a chaperone helicopter baby sitter.
@@commanderzavala9328he best vulture tho by himself
All of Tobey's villains killed themselves.
Thor and his mythos are badly adapted, along with most villains, Hawkeye, Ultron, Spider-man, and more.
I am so pissed off we never got Amora. Best Thor villain to me.
@@mr.iiconic cant believe we got love and thunder and she didn't exist in it lmao.
@@valeclaw1697 she honestly should have been a character from the very first film and a villain in the second one instead of Malekith but whatever. When they announced that the fourth Thor would be LOVE and Thunder I was convinced we'd get the Enchantress, and no sign of her still. I give up.
Hawkeye was actually fairly accurate, it's just that his main inspiration was Ultimate Hawkeye, who was a more serious agent with a secret family. A lot of early MCU was based on the Ultimate comics. As time went on, they did start incorporating more aspects of 616 Clint.
@Porygon3-D True
Every character name thrust upon a character that is nothing like them is essentially killing that character on the ground floor. It's terrible
Agreed. I see no purpose to it.
except when it works like with the gotg? perfect accuracy is not the main focus of adaption, otherwise there is not point to changing the medium outside of it being a thought experiment
@verdurite you say that but would it not be infinitely better to just make an interesting new character instead of just being lazy and reusing some random characters name, thus condemning that character. For example, starhawk could've actually been starhawk if they hadn't decided to do what they did. Or better yet just make starhawk instead of giving a throwaway character the name
@@verdurite Yondu was an interesting sort of elseworlds interpretation of the character. Whole Ajak did not work very well, they tried something different at any rate. All of these Spider-Man characters that are relegated to the background, only existing in the high school, *that* type of massacre is what I am referring to.
@@vibes5805
Massacre? Good lord dude.
I remember Scarlet Scarab and while I watched the show I said "How does a hippo give her wings? She should be working her Isis (the goddess) or Horus." Do a part 2 and one for villians
Thanks for clarifying the goddess
@jehehehedias5881 I assumed if I didn't somebody would not think the goddess
Good video, I seriously don’t like how they made so many changes from the comics to the adaptation. The original versions are perfectly fine in the comics and even cooler.
Not mantis tho she was just a writer’s pet lol
@@AJedits65honestly I prefer Layla to Scarlet Scarab or Marlene too, Marlene and her daughter are awful characters.
cept mantis no one eants comic mantis not even marvel writers want mantis she was a beloved oc of a single writer who had a hissy fit no one liked her
@@demonic_myst4503 ikr that’s too weird but like if she was an interesting character I could understand why but no she wasn’t and typical comic book character must have 50 different backstory’s and powers only to have it retcon and explain it more complicated didn’t help either
this is just wrong for several of these characters, they are much better for the stories being told than they would have been otherwise
It’s sad to see that they change characters so much to appeal to social politics when marvel comics already had an amazing diverse cast 😢
The hell are you talking about?
@@dylansharp8471 what part did you not understand 😂😂
At this point I'm wondering if comicbook accuracy is even a factor for pleasing fans, because they go out of their way to retroactively change characters in the comics to better suit their supposed adapted versions.
Killjoy.
This is why I do not want Disney to regain full rights to Spider-Man his cast of characters. I know Sony hasn't really made them work outside of Spider-Verse or the Toby Maguire movies, but let's be honest, I dread to know what they'd do to characters like Kraven, Scarlet Spider or even Venom.
Do you think Venom and Kraven are comparable to Bluebird and Black Tiger? I guarantee 90% of the people watching this video have never heard of them, that's why these characters are relegated to easter eggs, Silk is mostly known for her weird pheromone sex thing she has with Peter Parker because aside from that her normal backstory is just being another forgetable spider person who was secrely bitten by the same spider as Peter
@@aman541 My point exactly. The Eternals were unknowns, and remember what they did to them?
Dollars to doughnuts they're going to do to Kraven what they did to Skaar, and do to Venom what they did too the Mandarin.
This is a crazy bad take
@@ControllerAkimbo Is it wrong that I just don't like the idea of every Marvel movie being part of the MCU?
Better than what Sony currently gave us 💀
And they do the villains worse Malekith, Zemo, Mandarin (Iron Man 3), M.O.D.O.K, Shocker, Taskmaster, Ultron, so many others
@@WaitWhat-zw2in I’ll have a list for them soon cause yeah, some aren’t even remotely similar.
Shang-Chi's Mandarin is a bad adaptation too, no need to specify
@@cahe6161bad adaptation but still a very good character, easily one of the best MCU villains imo
Maybe a seperate list for characters that were kinda butchered: Black Panther, Thor, and Hulk stand out in that regard.
T'Challa is a Super Genius and Tactical Mastermind in the Comics. But they made Shuri, the Super Genius instead of Griot (Druid).
Thor is not a dumb fratbro in the comics. Hulk is not Tony's Science Bro or a dude who loses all his fight, Hulk peaked in Avengers.
In defense of Bruce not being Tony's science bro, they couldn't do Hank or Reed.
@ that don’t mean it make senses for Banner at all. If you take Banner, Stark, T’Challa, Pym and Reed put them in a line then Banner and Stark should be on opposite ends of the spectrum. Tony is establishment and Bruce is anti establishment.
@Sjaddix I'm just saying it was the best they could do in the realm of giving Stark an intellectual counterpart. If we're being real Hulk probably shouldn't even be in the Avengers at all since he's spent practically no time on the team after leaving it in #2 and fighting it in #3, should have saved his team up for Defenders. Do not strawman my argument or put words in my mouth.
@ I think they could be forced to work together without being BFFs.
I've always said that about T'Challa, people who only know the MCU think he's just some guy who throws kicks.
That was interesting to watch. I didn't even know a lot of those characters before watching so thanks a lot :)
I'd love to see the long version of that video xD
@uncannylupa9334 Thanks! I may make that one, but it’ll take a while to edit.
@@FantagonisticI'd rather have that be a Google doc, as you can keep editing it and people can give you feedback.
great video with excellent, informative content. Would love to see other lists, especially villains
@@bfowl1345 Coming very soon! Thanks!
Better not do a DC version. The characters of the Birds Of Prey movie alone will be the end of you.
@@kingoftherain Oh, now you’re just tempting me!
Cassandra Cain specially.
@@Fantagonistic Maaaaayyyyyybe....
@@cahe6161 Sooooooooooooo bad.
@@cahe6161
That was the only character in the movie Gail Simone didn't like I think.
My vote for worst is Michelle in the Spider-Man films. I figured they based her on one of Peter's roommates post Brand New Day. What makes her the worst is when she suddenly becomes M.J. I was soo pissed off.
To me pretty much everything around Thor are the worst offenders.
Why?
Solid List!! Now you have to do the best adapted heros!!!
Keep it up good sir
@@markfields9368 Thanks a lot!! Will do!
3:42 comic book Mantis is kind of annoying honestly. She's shoehorned in everywhere and seems like the author's overpowered fetish. I think they made her more interesting in the MCU.
When you make your Villians list Ultron has to be on that list.
Also one suggestion you may want to use clips from shows/games etc. to show they were done better in other depictions.
Ultron was hands down the best in Avengers earth's lightest Heroes cartoon...the movie made wish Strak died in the Middle East so he couldn't use his brain patterns for their universe's Ultron.
@@BrontoSmilodon1 I love the EMH versions of most characters. I was thinking of doing a separate ranking for cartoon or game universes. It’s a shame when a cartoon adapts things much better than a multi-million dollar movie.
I don’t really agree with Ultron, MCU was created by Tony and Bruce so he’d obviously be different from comic Ultron given that one was made by Hank Pym
@Right_Bumper which is why MCU Ultron is a horrible adaptation because of how quippy he his.
Part of why Ultron is so menacing is due to his lack of personality.
No one can barely reason with him.
@@BrontoSmilodon1gotta be quippy to be in the MCU. It’s in the charter.
I didn’t even know abt that Jocasta one lol that’s really funny. Great video!
Thanks! It’s pretty outta focus, it’d be hard to catch on a first (or even tenth) viewing.
I was gonna say Taskmaster but he’s a villain so
LOOK HOW THEY MASSACRED MY BOY 😭
@@randoman9122 Villain video coming soon 👀
Please do a video on some of the DC movie characters. The Black Adam characters were particularly horrendous given that their origins were never explained and they simply assigned random personalities to them. I think the Birds Of Pret characters were also done horrendously. It pisses me off how female characters are adapted in movies that are supposed to empower them, but then they strip away the coolest most empowering aspects of those female characters making them lackluster and underwhelming.
If you do a villains list, you've got to add Taskmaster and Modok
Rhino (From The Amazing Spider-man 2)
@@MrPleersThat's not MCU
I like the video. Well made, and I feel like you did your research. I'm definitely interested in seeing more like this.
I always thought Jarvis got the shaft going from a supporting cast member of the Avengers to an ai program.
This is a good list I think you should do a part two for the villains as well.
@@antwonsmith8931 Thanks! Working on it now!
18:08 her build LMAAOOO
With the same logic as silk would flash Thomson be on this list?
I’d imagine a villain ranking would probably be kinda easy, given how a lot of them have a lot of differences between comic and film.
Dude you have so much content from this video alone
You could do a part 2, do one for the villain's and then invert and do the most accurate using those same methods, and a villain video version
Also love the video 😀
@@JuanPablo-nx2oc Thanks a lot! I’m working on the villains version right now!
I would love to see more of this in Marvel. MCU Villains, X-Men/Fox Movies, Sony Movies, Animated Shows etc.
Good video, you know your stuff. Have you done a " Top 20 MOST Comic Accurate? " 🎉🎉
@@davidhall7648 Not yet, not sure yet it I should do just the most accurate or the full list.
Earth-616 > Earth-10999. The absence of the actual Mar-Vell pisses me off. I now consider the MCU just a bunch of bullshit to watch when I want to waste time.
*comic!Earth-616 and MCU!Earth-616. Iman Vellani is wrong and Kevin Fiege is right. The MCU's time travel can't coexist with the comics' time travel.
awesome list, love when people call out disney/mcu for their BS. Got a big sub from me.
I watched the whole video waiting for an Iron Fist mention and was disappointed to never see him mentioned.
@@Chan-zn7wb I kept it to characters who’ve appeared in officially produced MCU projects. Until we see them show up we won’t know if they’re using the same versions of the characters.
Iron Fist would appear very low, but there’s such drastically changed characters that he likely wouldn’t be bottom 20. At the very LEAST he does have an iron fist, is blonde, does martial arts, and knows Luke Cage. Even if they changed so much about the guy and really didn’t bother with the costume, he at least gets points for these superficial elements.
@@Fantagonisticactually we do know that they’re officially using the same version of the characters from the Netflix series because the Defenders Saga series has officially become canon in the main MCU universe/continuity since Daredevil Born Again has been reworked into and been declared a sequel/continuation of the Defenders Saga & the Daredevil original series.
The Defenders Saga shows are now considered MCU projects.
@ Yeah, they’ve said that, but we’ll know for sure once Born Again comes out how seriously they’re taking the Netflix continuity. I always just thought of them as canon, same with Agents of Shield, then they declared they weren’t and I was bummed. Then they planned to use the actors, but not the continuity and now they’re saying they’re gonna use the continuity again. I’ll wait until the characters officially show up and then see how well it all ties together.
@@UltraBrianNah, what's canon it's what's been explicitly shown to be.
@Fantagonistic I think I understand your logic. I guess when 'The Defenders' were added to the 'Sacred Timeline' via Disney+ and the brouhaha his series spawned since it was announced, he's at least get a (dis) honourable mention.
Maybe I'd just a jaded Danny Rand stan because apparently after his show got fucked by completing disregarding his origin story, the Scott Buck ran show became not just a show, but now proof of concept for the very *viability* of Danny Rand functioning as Iron Fist in the *comics* ! I don't think this has happened in the history of fandom.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 BRILLIANT video. Original idea & well done. I don’t watch MCU movie for this exact reason. I am a comic book nerd and when DC/Marvel/Image etc make changes on screen, I 😢. You DEFINITELY need parts 2-10 and include DC (Arrowverse), Image (Witchblade), Valiant (Bloodshot).
@@djgwilliams Ooh! Arrowverse would have some crazy competition for bottom 20! 😂
5:14 tbf, I have to defense Marvel on this one, the og Yondu is from another alternate future like how Spider-Man 2099 is from another alternate future, the prime version actually never exist in 616 until the Star Lord run, so it wasn't much of a change from movie to comic, this is more on canon immigrant than retconning imo.
However, I will not defending the actual retcon in the Yondu solo run, they basically make OG Yondu go back in time to meet the 616 Yondu aka his ancestor, to teach him how to control the Yaka arrow, show him the way, only to be kill by Marvel editor just so 616 Yondu can fulfill the destiny of him being the great Yondu in the future timeline.
In English, please 😂
I used to like the mcu, but since it became the m-dei-u and all the entertainment & integrity went out the window, just to pander to a very small percentage of people who most of them aren't fans, is disgusting. Don't get me wrong many of the comic artists & writers these day are injecting their b.s. propaganda & identity politics as well. It's sad, I used to enjoy almost anything Marvel related when I was younger. I hope Disney & Marvel go more broke than bud light
Everything sux now 😔
Notice how many blackwashed characters in this list. MCU really hate adapting normally
Whitewashing bad, blackwashing good. Man, if Martin Luther King Jr. survived and lived to this day, he would call bullshit on this.
Now they are usual suspects.
The hell are you talking about?
good video man hoping for a part 2 on dc maybe
@@SenzuKing972 Thanks! Working on a villains one, hopefully DC after!
Honestly I think Mcu mantis changed for the better not because of lore but because comic one is just something of a Mary Sue that isn’t interesting other then her irl creation
The gender swapping is crazily out of control!
I'm so sad what the MCU did with the original Captain Marvel and Ursa Major, I love those characters.
6:55
In What if series, we found multiple episodes with Goliath using his powers, voiced by same actor
@@chamathnadeeshan4008 I’m still greedy and want live action!
Good or bad adaptaion should not be based solely on fidelity imho. I think mantis is one of the BETTER adaptations as they did something better than the source material.
It's like saying jurassic park is a bad adaptation
@@Nyarlartt Completely agree. It’s on a case by case basis. A good writer can usually see what’ll work and what won’t and make changes as necessary. A bad writer will just not care and change everything just cause they can.
Jurassic Park is a great example cause they kept the spirit of the story while changing many, many details.
That's what's being judged, something can have a good overall quality but still be bad as an adaptation. I haven't read the Jurassic Park book but judging by your comment, then yes, it would be a bad adaptation, which again does not mean bad movie.
@@cahe6161 I don't think that's the case.
@@Nyarlartt I can't say, like I said, I haven't read the book.
The one who should be at the top of the list is Carol Danvers. What Marvel turned her into in comics and later in MCU is a crime against humanity
Fucking how?
What if Jocousta was secretly Peter Parker's A.I. for his suit.
I'm not the only one who heard him say M SHE U at 7:11 right?
I think he definitely said it on purpose
Oh, so he's one of THOSE people.
@@dylansharp8471 THOSE people are not wrong
Did anyone on this list benefit from being changed so much?
Mantis
Mantis definitely, she was such a mess in the comics. All though I think a better adaptation was in the Guardians game. She is very bubbly and sweet but not as naive as her MCU counterpart. She’s like a space therapist and that’s pretty cool.
@ As much as a comic purist as I can be, I completely agree that they made the right call on changes here. It would’ve been fascinating though to see then attempt to adapt her straight.
@@Fantagonistic Sometimes making changes to certain characters is for the better when it comes to adaptation, like Mr Freeze from BTAS as he was very different from his comic counterpart like giving him a wife and a tragic backstory while he originally was just some dude who was basically a generic ice villain, and now he’s one of the most popular Batman villain. I think Spider-Verse also helped with the other Spider-Man, Miles, as it gave him more attributes and personality traits to differentiate him from Peter.
@ I completely agree with both those examples. Changes are not always bad if the writer knows what they’re doing.
Mr. Freeze has benefitted so much from that change and I never really liked comic Miles but I liked him a lot in the movie.
They kept the elements of both these characters that worked and then added to them.
If we got a sequel to the Incredible Hulk we might have gotten Doc Sampson but that never happened just like we will never see The Leader.
We're literally getting Leader in Brave New World. How big is the rock you've been living under?
Honestly thought Moon Knight would be on here.
Annoying thing about stuff like this is that, because they didn’t just make a fully original character, they just make things difficult if they want to use a certain character further down the line
Do these videos for the DCEU please 🙏🏾
Thats why I hate it when people say James Gunn is good at comic adaptations. No, he is good at making his own OCs, slapping on the name of existing characters, and butchering what were once cool comic characters in their own right.
Yes please for the villains adaptations. Also did you know that half the villains in Captain America Winter Soldier are good guys in the comics?
@@leebland8184 If I was including Shield agents Sitwell and Pierce would rate pretty low since they’re changed so much, but they likely wouldn’t have made it into the bottom 20. Will do on the villains list!
Good? Bad? I’m the guy with the gun.
@@shawnmurphy9245 I understood that reference.
I will never forgive them for Captain Marvel.
The reason Echo has a missing leg is because the actress is missing the leg.
@@ericjohnson3140 Yeah, but why would you cast an actress with only one leg to play a character who has both legs and parkours through the streets. It’s a very peculiar choice to me.
@@Fantagonistic Hm, Okay.
@@Fantagonistic They were trying to be inclusive by letting an amputee play an able-bodied character, which is an awful casting similar to raceswapping.
@@SeanWheeler100 able-body the character is daft in the comics
@@SeanWheeler100 Raceswapping if it’s making a POC white is awful but if it’s making a white character a POC then it’s perfectly fine lol
Simple rule- If it’s not in the comics, DONT do it. Represent them as they are in the comics. I’m all for originality characters to stand out on their own, but the rest, don’t change the pre established characters at all.
How did you forget drax? Drax it’s a completely different character.
At least he hates Thanos and looks like the comic version
@ tats true 😂. He just needed to be a little more green and he would have looked perfect.
Drax the Destroyer? They only share a look, otherwise their power sets and origins are completely different.
Drax isn’t literal in the comics?
Rosario Dawson is night nurse surely?
@@korygrey6170 Yep, the in the Daredevil show she’s another of the women who’ve held the title. I didn’t do any of the none MCU produced projects, but she would rate a teeny bit higher since she patches up Daredevil a bit…at night!
@@FantagonisticDefenders Saga series are now considered MCU canon.
6:49 actually he appears on “what if” and he looks like a ant man from an alternate universe
Heimdall, Valkyrie and every black Asgardian should be here...
Cry
@kadirjaloley4026 because of a movie?
Why? Because they’re not white? Why does that matter?
America Chavez in the comics was an incredibly unpopular and terrible character created only to push a political narrative. The MCU version was at the very least an upgrade by making her cuter and more vulnerable. A character isn't better just because they are "more powerful."
ah yes, take away everything that makes the character themselves to appeal to people who never liked the character? I like both versions but come on
@@verdurite Nobody was ever a fan of America Chavez.
Speak for yourself bud @@AmyZonkers
Why is Moon Knight himself not on this list. That awful show got Marc and all of his personalities wrong.
@@DarkArtistkeepscallingme-pj2et There are a lot of characters they drastically changed who are not in the bottom 20 because more elements of them are adapted correctly than these 20 were. That doesn’t mean characters above were adapted well though.
Moonlight was good
Tom holland Spiderman was terrible
Drop the whole Mcu ranking
Race and gender swaps are lame.
The comics version of Mantis is a terrible character, completely awful so the changes are very welcome
Ok, im starting to see a pattern here. So when are they gonna race swap a black character or gender swap a female character? Do you think Disney’s got the balls to do that? And somehow they make the characters worse. If it was a case like Nick Fury, it wouldn’t bother people so much.
MCU has already done both of those things
The number of villains I was able to blurt out quick fire that they botched worries me immensely.
Gorr, Taskmaster, Super-Skrull, Kang, Scorpion, the Mandarin, Leap Frog, Karl/Karli Morganthau, Ronin, Malekith, Dormammu, MODOK, just to name a few.
Most of these are from phase 4 & 5. I'm noticing a pattern.
His crazy just how many gender and race swaps there really is in marvel. Shows they truly have no new ideas anymore
i'll bet money you haven't seen most of the stuff these characters are in
@ and I’ll bet most of those stories are all shit considering how poor reviews are for modern marvel comics and how they aren’t selling as well as they used to
Does either matter if they put a good performance?
@@axelnilsson5124 of course it matters. There’s nothing controversial about the original characters. Marvel wants to be more inclusive and would rather change an existing, more popular character to do so instead of making original characters
are you going to add Top 20 NON-USED CHARACTERS that were in the comics and other shows that didn't make it into the MCU?
also, two other dudes that should be on this list should be Jimmy Wu and the Black Knight from Eternals
Marvel is seriously getting woke. Changing original male comic characters to female characters in the movies..
Are you doing 20 best adaptations? Also please include the netflix shows as they are canon now
She hulk was worst adaptation ever 🤣 😅
I think they decided to take the name of comics characters as a regular human to show us that in THIS universe they didn't get a chance to be a superhero or supervillain. But again, I'm just a regular guy and I don't know the real reason on that.
Love your videos!
@@erzet_channel Thanks! I’ll be floored if they grab some of these actors to play comic accurate versions of their characters in a multiverse cameo some day.
They killed everything about hulk. Made him soft, made she hulk dumb
There are times where I think movie original additions work and enhance the character. Magneto’s helmet being psychic proof is a very natural mainstay that most would swear was always a thing but in reality that was something added in the original Fox movie. The Mr. Freeze we know and love today is from the animated series. He was not a tragic villain before that. Spider-Man India I hear was completely reworked from a boring nobody who was just Peter but from India into the dynamic fun loveable guy we saw in Spiderverse. But yeah when it feels like they just pulled names out of a hat for a character that seemed to have nothing to do with who they’re claiming are being adapted, then it just feels like a waste.
Your list is pretty good.
@@rbname7318 Thank you!
I liked this video a lot. I do feel it's important to point out on the section with Echo, that the reason that Echo has one leg in the show is because Alaqua Cox, the actress that plays Echo actually does have a prosthetic leg. As far as I'm aware, it has never been said how she lost her leg, but she is an amputee.
I will say, Echo DID become some kind of hero by the end of her show, but… that’s gonna be more important in the future for her being more accurate
I hate how Thor become a joke in the MCU
I agree with you in that I really hate when they take the unlike the comic version movie character and change the comic to match it.
Mantis being a real bad adaptation is what makes her good in the mcu
The vid maker(s) should be hired as consultant(s) for any MCU projects moving forward.