The Complete History of the Master | Doctor Who Timeline
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- A bit of a ram-packed video discussing the entire timeline of the Master! The renegade Time Lord and Frienemy of the Doctor! Once again, this video took a hell of a long time so if you enjoyed it please consider subscribing!
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Intro: 0:00
The First Regeneration Cycle: 2:13
The Degenerated 13th Incarnation: 4:54
The Resurrected Masters: 8:35
The Other Masters: 22:11
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Hey Everyone! Thanks as always for supporting these more ambitious videos!
With the Master's Timeline mostly happening away from the TV show, there will inevitably be a few minor inconsistencies in this video. So apologies in advance for that. Have a good one and if you haven't already, please consider subscribing for more of this sort of stuff in the future!
Ace Creeper at this point the show itself is one massive inconsistency
@@pindeepsheep7856 Very true
Hi ace creeper I was wondering if your next one could be on the cybermen
Was the blurred out ‘original Oh’ Ben Wishaw’s Q from the Bond movies?
Ace Creeper wait, The Master stole Oh’s body. Maybe he/she was struggling to regenerate but made it to Earth and stole his body before she truly died. Or Missy regenerated and he/she stole Oh’s body strait after he/she found him.
The entire time line.
Master died
Master came back for the time war
Master died
Master resurrected by voodoo
Missy died
Master is oh
Master died
I doubt he died in timeless children.
If you watched TTC with subtitles, as the bomb is going off, he says something like "get in here now"
So he popped a portal or a TARDIS at the last second.
@@hichaelmartline he says "in here now!" so my guess is he escaped in a TARDIS with the CyberMasters.
the master’s time line:
the master is born
the master dies
the master comes back to life
the master dies
the master comes back to life
the master dies
the master comes back to life
the master dies
the master comes back to life
the master dies again
the master comes back to life
the master dies
the master comes back to life (x20292)
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The way you explained why the Dhawan Master's TARDIS is an old house with a makeshift console in the middle is brilliant. I've always been more on the side of "Dhawan comes before Missy" fans, but your explanations make a lot of sense.
I actually thought when re-watching World Enough and Time the workshop he and Bill r in could well b his tardis
The Simm incarnation's time on the Mondasian ship, his rise, reign, and eventual fall, has Big Finish potential written all over it.
It does but first they gotta have him appear in every spin off ever, plus an outing with River Song before they do anything like that
@@ZakJordan98 maybe a tenth dr
The Alex McQueen Master was the first of a new line of regenerations gifted to him by the Celestial Intervention Agency for helping deal with the Ravenous in the Eighth Doctor adventures. The first of the Time War masters was actually the child incarnation which we see in the Doctor Who Magazine comic strip.
Would love to have a complete history of the doctor's companions. You could give a little background description for each one for example: Barbra (from 1963) was a history teacher at the Coal Hill school and was one of the first companions that we know of to have set off with the doctor for adventures throughout time and space. That would be really cool!
This needs to be done!
Yeah. Because sometimes I find the history of the companions a little complicated
She didn't "set off" She and Ian were kidnapped by the Doctor who had feared that he and his niece Susan would be turned over to the authorities.
Do *The Complete History of Gallifrey*
Oh god... Maybe down the line, we'll see!
@@gbsheard If it doesn't include looms it's not worth watching #loomsarecanon
@@gbsheard or the rani i think she should get some attention
Theory: what if Dhawan and Missy are from alternate timelines? If there was a percentage of allowance for inconsistencies due to the timelines crossing, whilst regenerating, Simm became so determined not to "turn good" he forces himself to regenerate into an incarnation even more evil?
Maybe Missy was dead for long time like 8th Doctor and lost some of her memories when she regenerated
That could make sense. If John Simm’s Master hit her with a full blast from the Laser Screwdriver, it could explain her needing a long while to regenerate...
If I worked on doctor who or big finish I'd say "get Gordon tipple on the phone if he's still alive and let's do a prequel type story set before the tv movie which tells you how and why the master got caught and executed"
He is still alive and this is what I've been saying for ages, like why can't they?
“If he’s still alive” 😂
It baffles me that they didn't do it yet.
@@wil2209 is he still alive? I just assumed he died
@@BenNightHound they did it with Colin baker so they can more or less do the same for Gordon tipple
The Warlord is a very Master like character. The first time I watched that story, I really assumed that the Warlord was going to turn out to be the Master but it didn't turn out that way. I think that he is a character who later inspired the Master, possibly also the Meddling Monk. I like the idea that these both are previous incarnations of the Master.
According to big finish the master and the monk are separate characters. No word on the war chief though
Correction: if you’re going to including some big finish stuff, you’re going to have to realise you that the 13th master was burnt by McQueens incarnation which left him left him all crispy.
The Master is quite an interesting character, glad you made a video on him.
Really nice work, though I wished you had included the timeline crossing from the Big Finish audios (Dust Breeding, The Two Masters, Ravenous, etc.) as the explanations for various Master regenerations/changing bodies.
I also like the way you tie the Dhawan Master to Missy. I see the Dhawan Master as an addict having a relapse; he talks about killing being a buzz for him, something he has an addictive need for; The Doctor tried to get Missy to become "sober", but once that influence was lost after The Doctor Falls and with the shock of the Timeless Child revelation, he fell back into his destructive habits. Hell, you could even tie this back to the Master being "Death's Champion", having a supernatural disposition towards killing and chaos
19:08 hold on a sec... *screenshots* my new wallpaper-
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The Master turned to evil after flunking out of a PhD program, which means the Master's degree is literally a master's degree :)
I was a child of the 80s so I had seen the Ainley Master and I had seen earlier stories with Delgado on VHS. When I first saw Channing in Spearhead from Space I just assumed that he was the Master. My head cannon has always been that when the Doctor defeated the Nestene it tore the consciousness from the Channing Master's mind burning through a few regenerations which tied in to Delgado being the last incarnation. In my brain this is why Delgado is working with the the Autons to get his revenge on Doctor when we first meet him.
Pretty interesting video, thanks a lot for making these "Complete History of..."! :D
I'd certainly love to see a similar type of video on Rassilon too. From his Lungbarrow/Five Doctors times, to the Time War era etc. I'm sure there are many stories featuring this dashing lord president that I'm unaware of, and would love to learn about these. c:
found this one which might explain how Dhawan is after Michelle Gomez: "The Lumiat explains that Missy, at the end of her life, used an Elysian field for cryogenetic extraction, giving herself a new regeneration cycle and allowing for the creation of an incarnation who is a distillation of all that was good in the Master."
Awesome breakdown video of the Master! I had no idea he was reincarnated so many times! :o I really like your theory for Sacha's master being after Missy's master (especially the bit about The Timeless Child being the final straw so to speak) :) Brilliant work! :D
Thanks man! 😁
@@gbsheard You're welcome! :D
Actually, Missy is directly after the Saxon incarnation, O isn't after Missy, an incarnation called the Lumiat. Missy managed to regenerate into a new incarnation by creating an Elysian field after Saxon killed her. The process of cryogenetic extraction destroyed her body but retained a copy of her consciousness before regeneration. This regeneration only did good, even stopped a few of the Master's previous schemes. Missy killed the incarnation after she "grew bored" of her. Missy knew this next incarnation would be less kind than the Lumiat. Missy then dumped the Lumiat on a random planet where she regenerated into O. After regenerating into a new incarnation, the Master returned to his dark ways, looking down on Missy for trying to better herself and spending so much time with the Doctor.
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He actually makes asking for subs interesting even if you are already subbed
Good to hear hahah!
Ace Creeper I second this
I actually wish that Missy is the last regeneration of the Master, being good, without a hope, without witness, without reward. We could have more Masters before her, all evil, slowly MISSIng their best oldest friend, the Doctor. ☀️✨
Can Sacha Dhawan be an incarnation of the original regeneration circle?
For me Roger Delgado hits it out of the park, and very few can touch him even now.
Agreed! He's not my number one, but it's a bloody difficult performance to top
I've been watching some 3rd Doctor era episodes recently. He really was brilliant as the Master.
Been waiting for this for a while. Looks great!
3:30 wait a minute...could it be? SCONGO?!?!?!
Really great video. Would be great see you do the Monk or The Rani next. 😄
11:49, because of the Aliens of London/World War Three thing in where Rose missed out an entire year, now in 2006 instead of 2005. The Doctor therefore put a limit of how far he could go back to, which was around May 2008. Somehow, the Master arrived in January 2007.
No that makes sense. If the election was in May 2008, the master went back to January 2007 as the doctor says that the earliest he could go back is 18 months.
Take a shot everytime he says body.
I'd have to regenerate lol.
The consciousness of the host body is still alive, Eric Roberts talks about the host screaming in terror at the masters actions unable to do anything unable to die or live locked inside their body
NOW THAT WAS REALLY NICELY DONE good job ace
Wow. All I can say is: WOW. This video is so well researched, so well edited, and beyond amazingly executed. I don't typically stick around for videos longer than 10 minutes (curse a short attention span) but I absolutely had to stick around for the full thing. You've done an incredibly job with this video, and you should be proud!
Thank you so much! This really means alot 🙂
Great video Ace I really enjoyed it and found out some new things which is always nice !
“The Doctor Falls” actually goes out of its way to suggest Missy is the next Master after Harold Saxon and explains that the timestreams getting crossed is WHY she has foggy memory about it. The whole Cyberman thing also adds context to why the next time we see the Master after Missy makes him regenerate because he won’t help the Doctor, she is making an army of Cybermen to try to befriend the Doctor again. None of that is really a “theory”; that’s just what the episode is suggesting.
However, it also seems clear to me that Steven Moffat probably wanted to use that memory fog and the fact that we never actually see John Simm regenerate into her on screen as an opportunity for future writers to slot in as many Masters between the two that they may want, as it provides some wiggle room to potentially explained certain things away.
But of course Chris Chibnall, in a series of dumb writing choices, did not take advantage of that obvious door Moffat left open for him, and instead decided to just disregard the lore of the show (just as he did with Timeless Children - what an unfortunate pattern), which is the other thing you call a theory that actually has received official support beyond your own headcanon: if I remember correctly, Sacha himself and perhaps Chris, too, confirmed that his Master is after Missy. But of course, they provide absolutely no explanation for how he is alive again or why he is evil again.
And neither does your theory, really. That learning the Timeless Child secret is what sends the Master back into being an evil lunatic, after a thousand years of character development, not only spits on Missy’s entire arc, but still doesn’t really make sense. That idea’s always been a tough sell, to put it mildly. And of course, still no explanation for how he regenerated and got a TARDIS and all that (“he just did” is not an explanation or theory at all, really).
Its weird everyone forgets the anagrams. Mister Saxon is an anagram of Master no. 6, and torchwood is an anagram of Doctor who
I kinda wanna see sean pertwee as the master but I don't think they'll be able to convince him
Great video George. You can see how much work you’ve put into it. I’ve had a similar theory about the Missy character redemption reset that you’ve brought up here
Dhawan's Master was the first incarnation to learn about the Timeless child, yet Missy later knew that the Doctor was once a "little girl"... she definitely comes after him.
That was great! Only thing I’d say is the character Tremas in The Keeper of Traken (Tremas being an anagram of Master) was pronounced Tree-mass. Oh, and you didn’t have Roger Delgado in the opening pic of all the Masters/Mistresses
great vid! thank you for the hard work
Weren't there more stolen bodies and wasn't the crispy master attacked by Alex Macqueens Master?
Yes. There was at least 3 when he went to America. (After serving the Titanic.) And it was Macqueen who caught him on fire and burning his skin.
The Master died... or did he?
Great video Ace!👍
Ooo can't wait to hear the new audio story!
"I am the Master and you will obey me."
"Usually referred to as the war master..." I see what you did there
This looks amazing! All the work definitely paid off!
Thank you :)
@@gbsheard np!
I'm really loving these history videos
You know what I was reluctant to but I am going to subscribe thanks for improving my already amazing doctor who knowledge
3:35 somebody's been on tardisposting that's the silhouette of scongo in place of the 2nd master
I have two seperate theories as to how missy became Sacha Dhawan's master.
1.) Missy dies and cannot regenerate after being killed by the Master in The Doctor Falls but when the doctor blows everyone up to stop the cybermen missy dies again (similar to how Rory dies twice in The Angels Take Manhatten) thus creating a paradox so Missy lives. Then she finds out about the Timeless Child which drives her to the limit and she goes to Earth, ambushes Oh, compresses him and takes his body in order to try and kill the Doctor.
2.) Missy is killed by the Master and cannot regenerate but when the Doctor is killed by the cybermen he touches the grass with his hand (which is full of regeneration energy) so maybe the regeneration energy from the Doctor's hand reaches Missy and she regenerates but keeps the same face before going to Gallifrey and discovering the secret about the timeless child which drives her to the limit so she goes to Earth, ambushes Oh, compresses him, takes his body and tries to kill the Doctor.
Also does anyone notice how Clara has met Missy before (namely when she gets the Doctor's number from the Time Lady) yet doesn't recognise her in Dark Water when she and the Doctor are trying to rescue Danny Pink.
Imagine if the master succeeded in stealing the 8th doctors remaining lives. He would be immortal cause of the timeless chold
Yes! Yes! Yes! I totaly agree with you on the master order for Missy and Oh. The master is a person built on pride. His greatest fear was revealed in the Mind of Evil to be the Doctor claiming irrifutible superioirity over him. The timeless child revelation wrecked him. I am really starting to massively love your videos.
Love the video, but one slight correction- the people at the scoundrel club _did_ understand the concept of regeneration, or at least they kinda accepted that even though this guy looked different every time it was still the same person. The scoundrel club was just massively sexist and when they saw Missy take the seat the Master always had, kinda went "haha but you're a WOMAN. we can't have WOMEN in our secret evil club!!" and THEN Missy murdered all of them
Yes sorry! That segment was a last minute addition! (Hence the different sounding audio) I knew what I meant, but I was just saying the wrong thing haha
Great video. Must have taken a lot of research.
Such a great video! And let’s be honest we all want to see Sacha Dhawan in Missy’s costume in the show now!
7:00 he loses the Anthony Ainley body in Dust Breeding
With the new series of Missy from Big Finish, they added a new version of the Master referred to as the Lumiat who is essentially the Master's version of the Valeyard (except instead of being an amalgation of the darker side of the Doctor, the Lumiat is all the "niceness" of the Master - Missy even originally assumes the Lumiat is the Doctor).
According to the Lumiat, Missy regenerated by creating an Elysium Field, a device that breaks a body down into it's component atoms and preserves a copy of the 'soul' of the user, allowing the reprogramming of personality while destroying the body. This sparked a regeneration in Missy despite her being unable to regenerate due to how she was killed by the Simm Master. At the end of the story, the Lumiat is killed and regenerates, though it's not stated into who (presumably the Dawan version but... who knows).
your explanation of the hut actually makes a load of sense, woah
Brilliant video!
Thank you!
I feel like at this point with the info we got it can either me Gomez or Dhawan can come after Simm. And I think it's important to remember the 11. His (I want to say 8th) incarnation wanted to be good but went back to being evil after. This could easily be the same with the Master. I can't wait to get more information about how this.
I believe he switched back because his 8th incarnation didn’t last very long. He was considered the exception that proved the rule for them.
Fun Fact Mister Saxon is an anagram of 'Master No6'
But he's the 8th actor to play the Master after Delgado, Pratt, Beevers, Ainley, Tipple, Roberts and Jacobi
Great video
That was just as good as the Doctor video!
Glad to hear it!
I think missy is the last incarnation of the master as she is the end point for the character her turning good and the ambiguous regeneration of John Simms master and missy not really remembering is designed to fill the cap. So writers can still write evil masters such as The spymaster but at some point the master eventually regenerates into his/her final incarnation missy.
Thanks for doing this video & the one on the Doctor. I'm hoping you'll do one on the Daleks next. They're always completely killed off and then they're not, so it would help to get those pieces all fit together. Also, why do they have 2 different prehistories -- one as Dals and one as Kaleds?
5:35 he was burnt by his future incarnation in The Two Masters
That's what I was thinking.
love it!
My theory about Missy's regeneration... Simm's Master materialized his TARDIS around her and rescued her in the Doctor Falls - recalling that the Master could never really ever kill him/herself (Last of the Time Lords). The Simm Master poured all of his spite into Missy to trigger a meta crisis regeneration. The lack of remaining spite in Simm Master therefore led to a slightly less spiteful regeneration into Missy. Meanwhile Missy regenerated most likely directly into Sacha Dhawan (with extra spite) - presumably a form chosen because Missy had previously surveilled the human operative that was a copy of Sacha Dhawan (whom he later kept in his pocket in miniature form).
Furthermore, Sacha Master steals Simms-now-Missy's TARDIS - abandoning her without a TARDIS throughout her regeneration - but probably equips her with enough supplies (vortex manipulator, Matrix data slice) to be evil - all based on memory.
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With regard to Curse of Fatal Death, in the Gallifrey Chronicles novel there is a passing reference to the Doctor having 3 different 9th incarnations, which is presumed to refer to Christopher Eccleston, Richard E. Grant, and Rowan Atkinson. Theoretically, it's possible that Pryce's master is Pre-Delgado and simply meeting one of these alternate 9th doctors. Its only a headcanon of course, but given Pryce was absolutely robbed of the roll given how well he plays it in CoFD, it's one I chose to believe
If you're doing comics then the official longest-running strip (in DWM) had a post-TVM Master that was a bald old man.
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In a book called The Gallifrey Chronicles long before The Timeless Children aired, they state there were 3 9th Doctors, therefore making the Shalka and Atkinson Doctors canon as alternate reality versions of the Doctor, so maybe that was the same with the Master.
19:12 Just imagine seeing Sacha Dawan in Missy's outfit! HA HA HA HA xDDD!! That be funny and awesome! :P
You should do darleks full timeline that would be a big and long one
I like the order despite the large gaps, however I feel the Master's knowledge of the Doctor being the Timeless Child was bestowed sometime before or during Gomez's regeneration. During the series 9 premier she explains to Clara she's cared about the Doctor, "Since the Cloister Wars. since the night he stole the moon and the President's wife. since he was a little girl." She then suggests one is a lie, but in the series finale, the Doctor tells Clara it was the President's daughter, and he didn't steal the moon, he lost it. I feel either Missy had this information since her first appearance and had no need to tell the Doctor, or Dhawan and Gomez should be switched in the line-up. If the latter is the case, it could explain Dhawan's occasionally deranged performance, similar to John Simm. This would leave Missy as the last known incarnation, and one that had at least to some extent become good with the Doctor. I hear Jodie's final special for Oct. 2022 should see some incarnation return, and I'm excited to see which side they're on.
I assumed Dhawan came before Missy, because he has none of the character development of Missy, rather acting closer to Simm (but with differences obviously). Your explanation also works though.
what if the delgato master was his 6th regen and did something so bad that the timelords punished him by taking his six remaining regens away?
Good video, I like the graphics. Though, as a Master Timeline Connoisseur (TM), there are a few things that bug me personally, I do kinda feel like the Classic Masters were skimmed over, when there's a whole lot of juicy, juicy content there. But hey, atleast you got Missy's placement right (the Doctor Fall's dialogue clearly implies she's directly after Simm but was hazy because of the paradoxical nature of his death) as well as the Dhawan Master's placement. So props for that.
I think, knowing that the Classic Masters are loved and mostly well known I didn't want to dwell reading out facts that people know from a TARDIS Wiki article. I knew it would be a long one and I diverted my attention more towards the stuff we know less about in the Resurrected era. That being said, I do agree and if I were to start again, I'd definitely include more classic stuff :)
@@gbsheard It'd be fun to sorta iron out some of the contradictions with stuff. After the Movie, it's surprisingly consistent, but after Survival and before and after Delgado gets a bit messy. I have theories on how to resolve some of these inconsistencies.
Oh man, does this need a serious edit now. Missy does indeed regenerate, and Beevers was made crispy by his own...well future hand.
I like to imagine that like the Shalka Master there is a copy of the Master buried in the TARDIS we know and that managed to manifest itself as the Dream Lord in Amy’s choice after the psychic pollen awoke him and the Doctor lied to Amy and Rory about the dream lord being himself because he doesn’t want them to know about his past with the Master. I like this theory although it could just be because I’m still bitter that Matt Smith never had a story with the master.
After your break you could do one in the complete history galafray
I still go back and forth with Gomez and Dhawan. If it was after it would have to be after the Lumiat. But I agree what what you said if he is after.
But I like the idea that Missy made the doctor a cyber army to try and get him to stop her younger self from distorting Gallifray.
Also, how funny would it be if the doctor turning into a women because of Missy then Dhawan tuning into a women because of the doctor.
I completely agree that the Sacha Dhawan Master came immediately after Missy.
The John Simm Master shot Missy for her committing to an act of good. This would surely count as the ultimate negative reinforcement, causing the newly-regenerated Master to relapse into evil.
However, Lisa McMullin's Big Finish audio drama The Lumiat introduces a morally good incarnation of the Master played by Gina McKee, which Missy regenerates into after her death on the Mondasian colony ship. This more-or-less invalidates my above reasoning.
I've long had the theory that the decaying Master in The Deadly Assassin et al is actually the direct successor of Missy.
The Simm Master shoots Missy, then regenerates into her. Due to the out-of-sync timelines, the newly-regenerated Missy has only a subconscious memory of shooting their future self as the Simm Master, and starts researching and preparing on how to survive it. This leads Missy to develop methods of channelling deadly energy for beneficial use, which we see in Death in Heaven and The Magician's Apprentice. Facing her past self on the Mondasian colony ship, Missy uses this technology to withstand the Simm Master's laser screwdriver blast, channelling the blast into a drastic regeneration. However, the next Master's body rejects this foreign energy and begins to decay (like a terrible autoimmune reaction), resulting in the decaying incarnation in The Deadly Assassin.
This is almost certainly not canon, but I still think it's a fun theory.
I personally think Sacha came before Michelle. Just makes more sense
The whole missy/sacha is difficult. I think I'd prefer sacha to be before coz then missy having an off handed remark about a little girl would make sense, she's teasing but knows she cant reveal it that early in the doctors timeline.
Great video. When are you making "The Complete History of Salad Man"?
Soon, I promise
@@gbsheard I look forward to it!
I personally always like to think that The Monk from the Time Meddler is the master since he was always talking about his Master-Plan and was a friend of the Doctor on Galefray. But that is just me.
Missy and the Monk both met in the audios so it’s confirmed that they’re both separate time lords.
They're too different personality wise. Mainly cause The Monk usually isn't necessarily evil just more misguided
i dont remember what book this is from, but this what Missy wrote in her diary/journal:. Died,Died,Died,Died,Died,Died,Died,Died,Died,Died,Died,Died, stole some blokes body, died died, became human for a while, died, died, became a woman, ruled
so true!
SCONGO CONFIRMED AS SECOND MASTER!
And now, with Missy Serie 2 we know about The Lumiat, an another incarnation of the Master, after Missy.
Oh actually there’s an incarnation between Gomez and Dhawan.
Derek Jacobi also plays an unbound Master
No he didn’t. He played a writer called Martin Bannister. The Master isn’t even mentioned in that story
True
Hi Ace are going to make the pictures of each Master you created for the this video public
I just want to know, if Dhawan's Master does come after Gomez's, how did that regeneration occur? As it seemed to be made pretty definitive in The Doctor Falls they died there. Even if not cybers were bound to come calling very soon.
well you're right sacha is after missy, but now I guess the 6th resurrected master is the Lumiat and the 7th is now Sacha unless another master comes after the lumiat and before sacha.
You should do the complete history of Torchwood