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At a topic meeting, someone pitched the idea of electric turbos. But we can't make an episode on those. There isn't any science, they're a classic eBay power-promising scam. Everyone knows that. Mighty Car Mods did a video on them like 10 years ago and proved it. But wait... cleetus made a video and did make power with an electric turbo. And Audi has a car going into production that uses what they call an "e-turbo"? And actually, every car on the F1 grid uses an electrically assisted turbocharger? So, they work? How? And why did this piece of tech go from totally-a-scam to inside every engine in the pinnacle of motorsport?
This simple idea is popping up all over the place. But why now?
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"And I did what any mature adult would do.. and I fired their asses for insubordination."
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4min of performance with a 40min recovery? Sounds about right for most of us!
Underrated comment
tbh yes, I am willing to just daily and drive normally 40 minutes, for 4 minutes of solid pulls.
@@toyotasupra1141 bro the OP isn’t talking about cars lol
@@dallaswood4117 omg...
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So, the nitrous in Need for speed should have been called Electric Turbo and that would explain the need to wait for recharge while driving
You smart
the recharge time is me blowing really hard with a straw in the tanks
If you think about it the nitrous (and by extension, turbos) in NFS games were already powered by electricity
@@rogehmarbiyou need to think less bro
epic win 🤣
Anyone else thinking of old driving game’s where you hit the turbo button and it only last like 5 seconds but takes 10 seconds to recharge? This is it IRL
Excite bike nes.
@@I_like_turtles_67 Yes well where can I get one?
Ps2 NFS days LOL good memories
That's not turbo, that's N2O boost
@@GhostZodick He's saying that N2O doesn't recharge IRL but this does, so it's more like what they have in games.
“I wasn’t wrong, I just wasn’t right”
Jerry Berry 2021
I’m gonna have to use that line
Come
That's what my friends call me lol
That's my life motto
That just blow my mind
@@jerryedwards6777 ha so I tapped you pic cause you kinda looked like the real Jerry from your small thumbnail... bro we follow pretty much all the same accounts lol
"So i did what any adult would do, and that is: admit my mistake"
Most of twitter: **what kind of witchery is this**
meanwhile on the dark side of Reddit: **what is this reasonable man talking about**
Or the entire human population 🤣
"This man is clearly a wizard!"
The kind that allows him to say it with a straight face...
Thank you for being the first person to ever address the parasitic losses of a turbo!!! yes I understand they are more efficient, but I'm sick of people saying it's free power haha. love your videos!!
Ain't nothin free but MUUURICA....WAIT.
Nothings FREE ! BUT, they sure do make a lot of POWER !
It's actually complicated, depends on the operating point of the turbo and how well optimized the engine was to work with it.
Turbos cause losses via an increase in exhaust manifold pressure, this pressure is pushing down on the pistons during the exhaust stroke and trying to slow them down. Exactly the same way a supercharger is pulling on the crank hub trying to slow it down. But the exhaust gases are still expanding from the combustion, and when this expansion happens *in* the turbine then the turbo is using energy that would simply have blown right out the exhaust (the exhaust gases simply come out cooler). If the turbo is being used in its peak efficiency zone then you get more "free" energy from the expansion of the exhaust gases than you lose from the backpressure in the exhaust manifold, and the turbo actually increases overall engine efficiency (one of the ways in which turbocharged engines can achieve better fuel consumption).
When you push a turbo past it's peak efficiency range though the losses caused by the backpressure can outweigh the gains in the gases expanding in the turbine. This is usually how modded turbocharged cars operate, and why they generally get shit fuel efficiency - an OEM turbo operates at peak efficiency while a modded turbo operates at peak airflow (or as close to it as the tuner can get).
An electric supercharger is always a net energy loss when actually used to compress air - it takes more energy to generate the electricity to drive the supercharger than the energy you get back in the compressed air when you power it. However an electric supercharger can use electricity that was produced, for example, by charging the battery during decceleration, like a regenerative braking of sorts, so you're powering the supercharger with energy that you were going to throw away anyway.
TLDR
The battery only charges when the alternator is charging at over 13.8v so really there is no loss as the battery does not charge when the engine is under load. Sure there technically is parasitic loss but you would never notice this driving because it charges up when the alternator is already putting out that electricity and if you don't use it is gone.
and that electric spinny boy wanna be goes "IN THE BIN" (MCM reference)
Yooo I had the same thought when I heard MCM!!!
Electric turbo:**exists**
Tesla owners:finally I can get into tuner's scene
Now
Clever
a turbo would be great for cooling a tesla
forced induction on the battery 🔥
@@andrewmccumber5871 Haram???
"Andrew" the Islamic Fundementalist... Thats a new one.
She and I highly doubt thats a she... Can be "lewd" if she wants. Her life and the Internet is a Free Speech haven, well... Was.
Take yer Haram and shove it.
There’s nothing like seeing a small little Honda Civic barreling down the road with a turbo
@@stephenriley1747 begone bot!
Actually that's incorrect. There was nothing like my 24 VR6 turbo GLI barrelling down the road, because it was quite literally that fast. It was like seeing nothing.
I raced a turbo EK hatch in a STOCK AUTOMATIC 1995 Subaru Legacy sedan to about 70mph. He didn't get past my front bumper.
@@coldmoonlight6361 u probably raced a single cam d or z series with a ebay turbo on 3-5 lbs of boost, no shit it's not gonna be fast when done like that lol, race a k or b seires on 15+ psi and u would get walked
@@swish2519 relax
The intro bit this episode was by far one of the best ones I've seen. Talking about where your ideas come from is a really good hook into the video. Great job and GREAT intro!
I love this video. It's very well presented, and it packs lots of tough concepts into an easily understood illustration. In the future, though, can you please add links to the sources that you used to present this data?
Talk about Turbonique drag axles and turbines and whatever else as long as you're talking about unconventional power mods.
Yes!
Hamster powered
You should totally listen to Brian Lohnes Dork-o-motive podcast! He does an episode on that!
Whooeeee! 🤘
Yes 💯
I can imagine seeing someone with an electric turbocharged civic barring down the road
Nah
😂😂
Or a v8 mustang or camaro with a twin setup 😂
You may as long as he hasn't spent his 4 minutes of boost doing the Snap Crackle & Pop in the Walmart parking lot ;0
Barreling?* and lol
I saw something a couple years ago how someone hooked up a power inverter to a leaf blower to create forced air induction. It worked. A big issue was air temperature because the leaf blower produces very warm air which of course is counter productive. He did increase his power a noticeable amount though.
There isn't a leaf blower out there that will put out how much air an engine would need at anything higher than an idle
Gotta love how he didn't mention F1 turbos, despite those also being this type of half eletric half traditional turbos with the MGU-H
I absolutely love the fact that you can just say, "Cleetus video" and 99% of viewers know what you're talking about
Ruby holds world records no Motorhead missed that pass
Who’s Cleetus?
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Woah i must be really lucky to land in that 99% of people
@@christaphersimmons2216 I feel like I'm finally part of the 1%, then xD
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We need a Donut and MCM colab series in the near future!
And all videos would be shown at #AMC theaters.
I want to say I’ve been enjoying your videos for awhile now and today’s the first day I subscribed to you guys.you guys a donut have really inspired me too start working on one of my first project car. I use to think it was really difficult at first but After awhile you guys helped me realize you just got to take it one step at a time
“I wasn’t wrong in that meeting, I just wasn’t right. There’s a difference.” Lmao best quote I’ve heard all year
"I wasn't wrong, I just wasn't right!" I think I found my new life motto. Thanks, Jerry.
There are turbos with e-motor between turbine & compressor (connected on the shaft via e-clutch), it has 2 tasks:
1) "recuperating overboost" - slowing down the turbo & generating electricity.
2) spooling up the turbo to avoid lag.
It's used in mainly in track cars, known as MGU-h
Waiting 40 minutes for another 4 minutes of fun. That hit me deep lol
Or you could change the battery
PE is sad bruh
4 minutes of turbo for 40 minutes of charge time sounds like a good way to have the occasional fun without adding permanent pressure to an engine block. If it's easier to install than a regular turbo, this could be a cool upgrade for the casual enthusiast
It reminded me of nitrous in the nfs games
Honestly, four minutes of boost is a lot. I'd say 95% of my driving isn't in boost so I would never run out.
It's a complete waste of energy. Just have a tuner run your turbos on a low-boost map. Switch to the high-boost map when you wanna get spicy.
And without all the plumbing, intercooler, etc of a conventional turbo.
And useful to get up to speed and go into the highway.
Biggest advantage of an electric turbo is the "decoupling" from the engine imo. You can spin the electric turbo at any speed you want anytime you want. For the kind of power you only need occasionally, it makes sense...almost like a nitrous bottle that can fill itself from your alternator. I don't think it would work well for a large truck engine or something, but for a passenger car to have some more oomph for passing or merging or just for fun? It works.
I think for truck (semi) is also good for overtakeing slower trucks.
I'm thinking that Subaru may have used them in the 91 through 94 Legacy. Because my dad was a rural letter carrier for years had one of those and when you mash the gas you would hear a high-pitched spinning sound and a light would come on on the dash saying power. After the car had given up the ghost me and my brothers were tearing into it a bit and there's a switch under the accelerator which appears to activate it.
@@eddieschwab864 The power light basically makes the transmission computer change its shift ranges, so when you floor it, that power button comes on, and it'll shift at higher RPM's. And i'm not sure but it should also change ignition timing.
now i'm not saying this is a good idea, but what if instead of accomplishing that decoupling with an electrical system, you did it with a gearbox between the hot side and cold side of a turbo. "my car is so manual that even the turbo is manual"
"Mighty Car Mods"
I'm listening...
"Cleetus"
Go on...
Great video! In my opinion, the eturbo does help significantly in turbo lag, it may not boost the overall power, but it's just used to mitigate the initial drop in power. But your video was very insightful! Cheers!
Donut Media teaches me more than my Physics and Maths teacher as well as Jermiah teaches me in a better way than my school. He teaches me way more important stuff than school. He explains everything in a much simpler way.
So damn true
Real og’s remember Bart
Science garage was the best
And yet you dont have a comprehensive knowledge of the physics. Stupid schools, such a racket. Idiota
except they don't teach you any math at all?
Gold tier intro skit, donut doesn’t get enough recognition and appreciation man
@@CountCorax definitely not
Remember the time
Nice vid. Also love the mashup of traditional and conventional around @7:10
I feel like it should be called an electric supercharger, you don’t call a centrifugal supercharger a belt turbo.
Well, it is still a turbine-driven supercharger, and the turbocharger might be driven by both electricity *and* exhaust.
turbo . . . turbine . . . xD
Actually I think belt turbo sounds good!!!!
I mean. A turbo is just a turbine supercharger. Look at the patents
Eh who cares. Technically they're all superchargers, turbo comes from turbo supercharger, but that was a mouthful
@@benjamins9121 They should just call it all turbo it's easier that way.
Saying it's a turbo says practically nothing about it's performance characteristics these days, perhaps in the past it said more.
You failed to mention that electric turbos are typically only useful at low RPMs. The compressor's speed doesn't increase with engine speed and can't move enough air for higher RPMs.
Oh my this is got the no knowledge engine people really buzzing I bet.lol
He did mention it
I cant remember for sure. But I believe the electric turbos that cleetus had would spin faster with more rpm.
Depends the power level of Electric Turbo. Electric motors close to 10kw can have crazy high RPMs and enough air flow to feed a 3.0L or less engine. It just would strangle on large displacement engines. The early legit electric compressors were around 5kw thus why they could not feed the top end.
A computer can’t manage a speed controller for the “ELECTRIC SUPERCHARGER”🤷♂️
Genuinely laughed out loud at "like any adult - admit my mistake (1 finger salute)".....
was really nice xd
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Best video in this series yet. Very clear and very informative.
Me who’s never even known that electric turbos existed: hmmmmm yes, I agree
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@@stephenriley1747 stfu bot
lol same
time to strap a blowdryer to my car now 🤣🤣
Reverse Engineered Leaf Blower
Use an actually air compressor. 5000 PSI. :)
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Serious: jumping castle air pump
Now use boost from a nasa ship lol
Thats my favorite introduction of b2b so far this year
One of the best B2B videos. Loved the intro and the electric turbo explanation was great.
Yeah the boys! Mighty Car Mods getting some love in the Donut scene
Nice badge ya got there
@@Keterius thank you my dude
hell yeah, i love their cuba documentary so much, everyone go watch it if you haven't
S/O to MightCarMods 🤙🏻❤️
For real its like the first time I heard any other youtuber talk about them
Ik, kinda surprised car throttle hasn’t done a collab with them
@@azhule4041 carthrottle definitely mention them now and then
@@azhule4041 They are great love MCM
@@GabagoolGaming yeah I'm not a big car throttle watcher, I think the only things I saw was their newer stuff with that new car guy, ill probably catch up on em
This was a really good straight to the point no bs video. Really good job guys
I LOVE B2B. Easily my favourite TH-cam segment. Thanks again for the good job
“So how do you get more air”
Me: *inhales*
There you go
You my man keep donut media alive :)
Video ideas:
1) start to finish design & development of vehicles
2) engine bay layout explained
I was fascinated by that Audi turbo combo tech a few years ago, seems like a solid way to minimize lag without a supercharger thrown into the mix
I'm just here for Jeremiah's 5-star panto performance lol
Thank you for giving Might Car Mods and Cleetus McFarland a shout out. A TH-cam OG and an OG Florida Man
Technically speaking, electric turbochargers are NOT turbochargers. 'Turbo' means turbine and almost every engine with 'turbo' in their name has a turbine such as a Turbojet, Turbofan, Turboprop, or Turboshaft. All these engines have turbines to drive their shafts. Electric turbos themselves don't use a turbine for power, it's just a compressor bolted to an electric motor. You can call it an electric supercharger and it would be the same thing.
dude, your intro was priceless - well done!
When I saw this I thought oh great, another "desk fan" turbo video. Hardly anyone bothers to get a real one
to see what they are like. But Jeremiah here pulls through and gives a proper video.
Too bad that this video lacked clarification how to distinguish between fake eBay electric turbo and one that actually works.
For example - it has to consume least few kW of power to pump enough air. Has to have thick cables, and costs more than 15 USD :D
@@andiszile Right? The equipment and cost should be a giveaway really.
Yeah when I saw the title of the vid I was like "Fiiiinnnnnneee, let's watch some more toy whistles jammed into the intake hole" lol.
Most of the scam ones also focus on the speed it can turn. People think if it can turn 10K rpm it must be really powerful. Not realizing the rpm alone doesn’t mean anything.
Plus any proper system is going to still be at least a few hundred bucks if not well into the thousands.
Thank you for addressing the alternator part I get into arguments with people over electric cooling fans all the time and they refused understand adding electric fans doesn't increase engine power only shifting the load to the alternator other than having a remote radiator the only benefit an electric fan has is you're not adding another flywheel to the engine letting it rev up slightly faster but you're not truly getting any power gains. The only other benefit to an electric fan is you dont need to take it off to replace accessory belts.
Hi, I enjoy your content. I am wondering why in pro mod supercharged cars are stuck with a white handicap making them heavier than turbos. Maybe you can explain it.
The beginning to this video was perfect 😂
Dominic Toretto lives 10 seconds at a time...4 minutes = 24 runs 👍👍👍 noice.
Great job. I have wondered about this for awhile.
A few years ago I did a research with a team (non car enthusiasts) about "turbocharging" a Prius. The theory is at low speeds (about 1-15MPH) it has more than enough acceleration with the motors. That acceleration then goes down with the engine kicking in. During the times when the motors are not in use and more power is needed we can use the massive battery to spool up a force induction system to give more power to the engine.
Day 5 of *WHERE TF IS UP TO SPEED*
Chill bruh they busy
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I'm willing to forgive them if they were working on the trueno.
The electric turbos remind me of a simpler version of ERS in F1. In F1 the braking and exhaust gas/heat it’s what recharges the battery. In road cars it make sense it take 40 minutes to recharge since it’s not as integrated into the cars design like F1
And in f1 everything just have to last at least 1 race.
@@TheAdatto As far as I know, you can use only 3 engines for the entire season. Add in FiA limiting budgets, and cost of other parts for an f1 car... Nah. Teams have to use parts for as long as possible these days.
@@TheAdatto nope, has to last over 1000km of use.
@@TheAdatto not any more since the start of the hybrid era in 2014 they created stricter rules on reliability and more recently even added a cost cap. So most of the hybrid parts have to last 6-7 races if not grid penalties
I have a possibly bizarre suggestion but also possibly very cool. We owned a 2010 Ford Fusion hybrid. It was no sports car but 270 combined hrsprs at the wheels could be fun. That had the old lead acid 240v battery hybrid system used on the Escape for 10 years. Later we got a 2015 C-Max and it was markedly quicker and spunkier. They are getting quite a bit cheaper now and lots of parts might crossover from aftermarket Focus or Fusion. Stripping and souping up a C-Max, especially with a battery powered supercharger could be super cool!
As a diesel technician. The end of this progression is a generator in the driveline for regenative braking. More than likely using a ultra capacitor to build the thousand plus amps. Capacitor will be able to charge and discharge quickly thousands of times.
Up to speed on the RPM Act please 😬
It's basically to protect coal-rolling douchebags under the guise of being about racecars.
@@quillmaurer6563 WhistlinDiesel douchebags? lol
you guys should make a video on how nascar engines run at 8500 rpm for hours on end and not break
It’s the way their engine is built not much to it
They just use stock Honda Civic engines, duh.
A lot of it is lightweight components made out of really strong alloys combined with really good oiling and cooling systems.
Like how they’re all gonna be dry sump and normally run spray bars in the valve covers to spray oil on the valve springs and keep them cooler.
They’ve also gone to smaller connecting rod bearings so there’s less rotating weight.
To be able to flip a switch to activate your electric turbo reserve sounds pretty awesome, I'd put that on my car without having to deal with the exhaust manifold
I love that you included the cleetus vidoes😂😂😂
Mo Powah Babeh!
My boy cleetus was mentioned. Eagles flying strong today
Have a Phantom ESC on my crapbox and its fun as hell, would love to have the TorqAmp or an ArcSupercharger to replace it but now that Garrett is making a street version of a hybrid design I may just wait on that.
I have a 2011 Toyota Avanza wagon with a 1.3 motor , way too small , but , the rear gears are crazy with a 513 gear . What might happen if I put aa electric air pump on with a small shot or nitrous . It is a manual and the rear gear is small so no big shot or fog maybe 5 of 10 HP not more ?
The price in the thumbnail $420.69😂
Guys JP Performance from Germany did a whole Video about Electric Turbos from the netherlands 🔥
Don't forget to mention the "Super Golf" project. A VR6 with an extra e-turbocharger for that extra boost
It's a solid idea, but it's like a computer in a sense. In the older days you had one CPU handle all the tasks of the computer, now you have multi core processors that handle a lot more and are augmented with a good GPU for graphics.
Same for electric turbos. If anyone remembers the Mazda RX-7 had a twin turbo setup. But it actually wasnt a twin turbo, it was a two stage compressor. Low stage for idle up to 2400 rpm's or so, high stage for 2400 rpm to redline.
I know it's a very basic explanation, but it does work. Now to get an electric turbo to act as a low stage sounds feasible, but it's part of the whole turbo setup as opposed to acting as the only turbo in the vehicle.
It might work in the future as battery and other technology improves, but for a viable aftermarket add on? Not for now, just stick with what works and for now, what works can be either a single, or traditional twin turbo setup. At least until electrics takes over completely.
@@deathstrike Yes because RX7 have static geometry, now VAG make small e-turbo and push all exhaust to try spool up big one.
What about sequential shifters and that are supposed to convert your h-pattern to a sequential where u just pul a lever. Like bremer or other makes
Here, out at sea, on a big boat, we use some big ole electric turbos on our ship's main engine when the turbocharger can't make enough scavenge (boost) pressure. We've had them since, like the 90s, or something. But our setup isn't exactly typical, because the engine itself is a 2-stroke the size of a cathedral where a human can fit in the crank case or in a cylinder. Same principle though :)
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Anyone’s Siri got activated when he said “hey Siri”? I rewinded it couple of times and happened every single time🤯
Also, if you're driving around, does the alternator charge the battery/amp(?) faster than 40 min?
Loved how you mentioned MCM @mightycarmods
2:58 I can't believe my video was featured on a Donut Media episode LMAO
If they are run by electricity, not the exhaust, I thought that made them an electric super charger.
They reclaim their power from the exhaust. There’s a little loss of efficiency, but it is still based on reusing exhaust power.
Why can’t we have a road car that uses a conventional petrol engine as a main source of power, with a electric motor giving extra power when full throttle when needed and just use the brakes and main engine to recharge?
It’s called a hybrid vehicle
This intro is absolute gold haha
Ahhh I noticed the price of the turbo in the thumbnail. NICE
Nice
The first thing I learned from this video is that Cletus loves chaos.
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Would an E-Turbo be viable in a hybrid car? It already has a high voltage power supply, that might work out
I dont think they can handle those high voltages. Seems to me like the mild-hybrid system with 48v is the best solution.
Plus in the high voltage system they would have to add alot of savety features to the turbo which would be more expensive than a 48v version without any need of savety systems.
Ole cleets science episodes are finally getting the scientific recognition they deserved
Came back months later just to re-watch the intro. So good.
When the Hell we will gonna see you Hosting the next Top Gear seasons ? You guys rock !
when james passes away we better get a “mowe powah baby” compilation in memory of him
There is also a german tuner, which implemented an electric turbo in a VR6 powered 1000HP Golf 7. He has a lot of projects like this. Could this a topic you could talk about? 😇
Greetings from Germany
It’s only used to spool up the actual turbo
me at 7:45 with super bassy headphones: MY EARDRUMS ARE VIBRATING!!!
I think having a secondary electric turbo as an anti-lag measure is pretty smart. I would love to see other manufacturers continue this trend.
We gotta see more of James's 86 tbh O_O
JP Performance, a german tuner and TH-cam Star did build a car with an electric turbo. It’s used to spool up the big turbo and makes over a 1000hp with an VR6. He calls it the „super Golf“ even if everything is in German you could enjoy his videos.
This has got to be my favourite channel on youtube
looking an awful lot like John Dwyer (of the Osees (Thee Oh Sees)) with your "claire" costume at 0:12
Has there been a donut video on Subarus Symmetrical AWD?🤔🤔🤔 That would make an interesting B2B