Is The Era Of No Meta Over?
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Last time we took a look at competitive Splatoon 3 I talked about the no meta environment and what that means, now a few months later the dust has settled, so what came out on top?
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This is my first super data driven video, so will be used as feedback for the next one, especially in the order I cover things, I hope you all enjoyed.
Actually really interesting to watch
I love the more data filled vids helps me create good team comps for me and my teammates
i did enjoy it prochara thank you
i really enjoyed this vid and would be happy to see something similar for the next season too
I did. It was a very interesting and enjoyable video
something like this can show how "strong" does not have to necessarily mean "used" or how "weak" doesnt always mean "unused", like the booyah bomb and wave breaker scenario
And the “sprinkler one of the most popular subs” scenario
@@sagittariusa2145 this aswell!!
@@sagittariusa2145 That's bound to happen if they keep adding it to so many weapons lol
@@TheFrantastic True, except as prochara said, the sprinklers overwhelmingly came from exactly Snipewriter, and none of the other weapons.
@@sagittariusa2145 I meant in general, they put some subs and specials on so many weapons and neglect others, I love beakon and kraken but they put them on either very few weapons or weapons I don't like, and that saddens me
if Nintendo gets ahold of the sub weapon usage data, they may nerf sprinkler.
That’s what makes Snipewriter 5H good right??!??!?!???!
@@D2_Spltwt YeAh!?!?!
@@D2_SpltwtYep Sprinkler definitely carries Pencil, yep sure 100% we need less Sprinkler
As a casual blob main, they'll have to pry sprinkler from my cold dead squid fingers
@@A-Dasher lol yeah, knowing how Nintendo balances things, that’ll be the part of pencil they nerf
Tent bias top text
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Tent bias bottom text
*Tent stays winning.*
I love how Tent is still meta despite the top weapon shutting it down (Pencil destroys launched tent, 1400 HP, in just over 2 charges)
TENT PLAYERS STAY WINNING BAYBEE
9:12 >:3c
Tent's effect is that it makes matches slower-paced. Every time the meta becomes too fast, it becomes popiular, and every time the meta slows down it falls off. Current cooler+zooka meta is the fastest it's been since S1 QRSJ, and trust me, if S1 had Tent, it would've been used back then too.
13:23 gotta love the little curser dance
i remember when snipewriter came out and everybody hated it saying it was the worst weapon, look at it now
I remember when zooka was mid too
Those were the good ol’ days.
0:34 never in my life did i imagine that chara would make a fantano reference in a video
Oli was COOKING dude
0:34 PROTHONY CHARTANO
what?
Prochara... pencil meta... forever!
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Praise be Robbe and Nex for keeping inkbrush alive in high level o7
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The goats fr fr!! 😎
Inkjet not being used surprised me A Lot. I expected it to be one of the more used specials
Same. But it makes sense considering that it's on so few weapons, and on so few notable weapons at that. The only really good Inkjet options are Ballpoint and Rapid Deco, but Ballpoint is bullied by pencil and I reckon Rapid Deco may have a hard time against other midrange picks such as Slosher and Range Blaster.
Also, I'd reckon good Snipewriter players are probably pretty proficient at sniping Jets outta the sky, and ditto to the players of the multitude of midrange weapons popular in the tournament, so it really does make sense it wasn't picked much.
jetpack is technically a strong option, but it has a mega losing matchup against all chargers, specifically pencil. if you know the other team isn’t picking a charger, then jetpack is a good idea. but at top level play, you already know everyone is running pencil, and you’re not gonnna pick jetpack in that type of environment
@@unconcernedsalad2 Fair I didn’t think about pencil just existing to be broken and annoying and just ending some mid and long range options
The only good Inkjet weapon is Ballpoint, and Ballpoint is terrified of Snipewriter meta. It can out-lame other chargers, but Snipes can't be out-lamed, if you try to play passively against it it'll just take all of your turf, toss a cooler to recharge and do it again. It's baisically Splat1 Dynamo, except instead of being shut down by backliners, it IS the backliner.
We should've got Inkjet on so many weapons but we didn't. Neo Splash, L3D, Custom Goob, Gloog Decos, Custom Blaster/Enperries, every season has Inkjet bait and yet we only got five of them in total, with only two being able to regularly use it of which one is a joke weapon.
@@TheLaXandro Thats actually so true never has a special been more baited. also I really want Sorella brella to work . _ , It just is so horrible at times It feels impossible to use, I hope someone in the higher competitive scene wins with it or places high in future tournaments. You know after hopefully they fix the net-code. (pls I need this to happen try your best to fix brellas nintendo I'm praying)
This harsh strict meta honestly seems like its a problem with the obsession to be zones only. Zones is probably pencils best mode due to its huge paint and having tact in zones is huge because you always have to come back to mid and so coming back go mid as fast as possible with tact is way more beneficial than let's say respawning and stopping a rainmaker push. Idk it just seems weird that people complain about pencil then ignore the 3 other modes where pencil simply isn't as good. Of course there's gonna be a stricter meta when you define yourself so strictly by choosing one mode exclusively.
The other modes are actually far worse in comp viability, pencil is still picked everywhere, and cb/rm makes zooka even stronger via having a giant glowing target on you. It doesnt matter the mode when pencil shuts down everything matchup wise besides zf. I wish it was an answer honestly but its not and dealing with kraken cheese or rm map quality is honestly a worse exp to me.
Honestly the only solution is to HEAVILY nerf pencil, like we're talking Splatoon 2 Dynamo level nerfs, nerf Tacticooler in both duration and effect, and nerf Zooka's explosion/indirect damage to 45.
@@MrEnzio777 It does not need to go that far.
Remember that we've seen what the game looked like before Tacticooler and it is way better with Tacticooler being meta. (although keeping your after death is a bit much). Pencil just needs to be nerfed enough so that it's picked for filling both backline and support as it should be rather than being the best in both support and backline individually. So yeah a heavy nerf but not Dynamo levels of nerfing, it shouldn't be gone completely.
As for zooka once again it was quite weak before being able to 2-shot with an indirect so the indirect damage radius should probably just be decreased instead.
Just because something's the meta doesn't mean that it would be bad for the game if other options were used alongside it.
@@probablygeneric429 I think that's where our opinions differ. I feel the only way to FIX Pencil filling both the support and backline role is to completely kneecap the weapon and only buff back one aspect of it because otherwise it is way too overtuned in all 4 modes. It's overpowered not just in Zones but the other 3 ranked modes the comp community decided just don't exist because the terrible map design that Zones is not immune to makes it feel like shooting fish in a barrel. Honestly I feel like these maps were designed for Turf War first then lazily had Ranked layouts slapped on.
@@MrEnzio777they aren't even good turf war maps though. one of turf's key selling points is that if you're bad, you can just paint in a random corner to still contribute. most of these maps don't have enough areas outside of mid to paint in without getting dragged into fights
Risk of rain music in the back ground love it
the editor with the battle cats background and risk of rain music is based
Big Dapple 3 while 6 months ago, was a really fun event I came to spectate. Was the first Splatoon LAN I’ve been to. First time I saw Vicvillon in person felt like a fever dream and I’ve gotten to know several others within the New York Scene, and have since then been excitedly awaiting Big Dapple 4
As a pretty big nerd, I really enjoyed this more data-focused video, it's cool to see how the meta's doing through weapon usage!
The only criticism I have for next time is that the usage rates should be a bit more obvious, it doesn’t really make sense to have the data in a data-focused video only shown for half a second in the corner of the screen.
Good video! I love me a data driven video❤ A few notes that are actionable and don’t require advanced analytics:
The total number of games would’ve been great to have a mental base model to compare to.
The raw numbers usage of zooka felt like it could be augmented with a discussion on the percent of comps that had at least one zooka for how many comps ran it.
Unmirrored winrates. One of the most potent ways to analyze the effect of such a pervasive weapon like zooka, cooler, or pencil is via unmirrored winrates. Of the matches where only one team ran pencil, how often did the team that ran pencil win? It has low data requirements so you don’t need a huge sample size and it’s excellent at driving home the point of why a specific pick was considered obligatory.
Overall an excellent video! Advanced analytics could definitely dive even deeper into this tournament, I might give it a go later this month. But major credit to Oliy for gathering and compiling the data, goat status
the data analysis is super interesting, Chara. def interested in seeing more of this kind of thing! it’s also cool to hear about the meta/comps at different levels of play
6:44 Spotted Antibirth OST 😮
the fantano/theneedledrop reference at 0:34 took me out LMAOOO
I like all the data and graphs in this video, makes it feel like a news report
Wait what. You included Lil Buddy in Sub usage 😂
Am scared
No Rapid Blaster Deco makes me sad. I guess it is time to move to Range, Blaster or even Slosher or Machine Noveu. Thanks for the analysis and the effort put in this vid!
I would love more of these types of videos. Also, spot on editing.
innocence glitched the binding of isaac antibirth ost mentioned omggg
This was really fun! Would love to see another video like it. I'm kind of suprised about Vanilla Naut not being used at all because I thought rain would be alright in zones? I guess theres just stronger options...
Lol my brain just went "what if Ink Storm healed brella shields even while they're deployed" and now I wish I had a way to test that out because it sounds fun as hell as a casual brella player
OMG I LOVE RISK OF RAIN 2 😍😍 omfg omfg I love all the sound tracks
This vid is really helpful! Would be nice to see analysis on other modes, even with less tournament results to analize
This was a nice change of pace. I've always been a sucker for data videos.
I'm actually shocked that neo machine is used so much
LESHGOOO PROCHARA META VIDEO
Pro wrestling memes mixed with Splatoon videos just makes me happy.
I’m glad slosher is finally getting its time in the spotlight.
Honestly, I’m very surprised that with as powerful as midrange slayer options are, naut wasn’t need at all; 47 has a great zones kit imo and it kills fairly decently, as well as plays into a sensor niche
Like the use of balatro very good game
Remember when Pencil was Bottom tier?
Good times... Good times...
The bamboozler is the meta.
i don't normally leave comments, but this video was SUPER interesting, definitely one of my favorites overall! keep it up and im excited to see more data focused stuff!
6:44 nice music here 😎
Discovery jump scare at 0:40 caught me off guard
So does that mean no more meta weapons?
I see this as an absolutely win
There are definitely meta weapons. Anything with Cooler or Zooka that can charge its special quickly. It's like the max Special Charge Up Aerospray that spams Booyah Bombs every 10 seconds.
Ah, the olden days when people were laughing at pencil when it first released, how times have changed
Dicey Dungeons music!!
It’s him, Prochara
this video was fun! i’d love to see more of this style of video!
Great vid, I am very glad to see an analytics based video!
Best composition to me in sz : Pencil, shot, squeezer, slosher.
Balatro............ JESUS! would be the crossover of the millenium
if bucket gets a good kit then its gonna do amazing but for now were stuck one kit having a middle ground special and the other kit stuck with being to hard for people to get good with
remember when pencil was dogshit
as a small bit of additional context from a low level player. Pencil is still a problem at low level, even if it's not ubiquitous. I'm saying this as the pencil player for my team, I genuinely feel bad using it sometimes because of how much it can limit what weapons the other team can pick. Particularly anything with inkjet is either forced to get less value out of their special than they could just because of my presence, or is immediately shot out of the sky. If someone has a ballpoint one trick on their team, just by me picking pencil they're effectively forced off of it. As someone with no prior charger experience or comp experience on backlines it only took me like, a week or 2 of occasionally playing it in anarchy to get to this point too. And that's nowhere near top level play either, this is at the oh so prestigious rank of sendouq silver+. I think the only reason it's not too dominant in low level is genuinely just that people don't want to run it.
Squeezer meta in our hearts
I love Nerdy Data videos like these
THANK YOU for this video Chara
Only related to one of the visual gags but I'm glad I'm seeing Balatro so much around the internet. It's a really good game barring some of the rng issues the higher difficulties have with how much they limit player input and deck building.
question I have is, why was range blaster used over s blast, especially if s blast has a much more traditionally "better" kit, and more versatility, esp with the jump tech?
it was likely due to range blaster having much better long range AOE which is much more favoured over the short range AOE s blast provides. S Blast 92 sort of has to compete with Vmachine for booyah bomb, and that weapon has better long range aoe which is again more favoured. The kit of s blast is just valued less compared to range blasters main weapon, i guess
Great video, would love to see more.
Omg squdithony fantano
I love these data analysis videos.
Expected more ballpoint! I wonder if that’s because of the recent nerf?
Recent nerf gutted it’s matchups but it was already really bad against pencil
idk why but now i just wanna play stringer
I find it hard to determine which weapon is meta. Splatoon 3 keeps changing so it can be hard to determine everything
I remember the old days when Snipewriter was made fun of...
Me playing hero shot realizing I'm carried
The meta is stable connection. Sorry but if nintendo won't get rid of pair to pair and still won't invest in proper servers I'm not interested.
Sorry if I used this video for a rant but I just had some rough matches with questionable lags and disconnects
I want pencil to have a small range nerf, a 8% ink consumption nerf, 64 dmg, and 210p so it can be balanced
Antibirth soundtrack based
I LOVE data.
i haven’t been keeping up with Splatoon meta, did snipewriter get a buff? Why do so many people use it now it was my old main
The only buffs that snipewriter got were 60 > 68 damage per shot, and a strafe speed buff. The main change to the meta was tacticooler a) getting more duration and b) being a more desirable pick into strong killing specials like inkjet and now zooka (which both got buffed at different points). Plus I think people realised snipewriter actually paints like crazy and from a safe range, so its cooler output was really reliable.
(Oh and sprinkler got a buff 🙃)
Man I was hoping to see reflux deco, oh well
Going to LTC are u planning to hit it up or nah
Imagine a bomb nerf.
Alright, make it 220 p
Rip Brella Mains
arent you the guy that plays agains Mellana?
Yo I was literally wondering what the meta actually is
Is it me or is this meta just the least annoying? Cuz no meta and it's enjoyable
Ugh.... so what im hearing is just drop the dualies.... including the dualie squelchers (the bit more ranged varient of the duelies class)
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Pencil must be nerfed
why is pencil so good tho?
He said why on his 2nd channel th-cam.com/video/1dF5IoC_ZC4/w-d-xo.html
The Nintendo thought process. Splrinkler =used a lot. Pencil = used a lot. Pencil has sprinkler. Nerf sprinkler =pencil=not good. Chara : Nintendo is so stupid lol 👍🏻
You play Balatro?
I feel pencil isnt gonna get nerfed... nintendo doesnt have those stats and many players cant play pencil and never see it. I gavent seen a good pencil sinxe splat 3 release and i think im ranked high enouug but nintendo nerfs enperrys for casuals so we should expect no pencil nerf
Octoling or squid
Pencil getting picked 98% of the time and surviving two patches. We need to nerf this thing 😭
BUFF REEFLUX
Where can I find the vod of the tournament?
Wait, WHAT?! SNIPEWRITER??? THAT POPULAR?! Holy shit the games changed a lot since i last played.
How is inkjet not picked at all?
Pencil probably plays a part in it, easier to hit shots and inkjet makes you bigger
the one good inkjet weapon is ballpoint, which gets dumpstered by pencil due to it being a charger with much more range, much better long range paint, comparable mobility, and a higher value special as well.
Why is zones-only the main format? That really confuses me. Zones is the least interesting mode---
Succ bomb OP
I love data-driven videos!! I really enjoyed this format!!
11:09 devs I think we should nerf 5H, at least tone down its special output? 😅🥲
I like this kind of stats. I even created my own file for my own gameplay.
1:16 have to love how 0 people used angle shooter 🥲
While pencil is actually a pretty common weapon as it has tacticooler, to me I think custom E-litre 4k and Z+F splatterscope is not so bad either
Z+F splatterscope is actually broken if you have a clear vision (I don’t mean 20/20 vision but instead I mean insight and approximating enemy locations) as splash wall actually works well with splatterscope or splat charger (personally I want the splatterscope more as it has slightly more range as you’re sitting behind the wall most of the time I think) as it provides protection for you but it doesn’t really block vision and you can shoot through it which makes it pretty easy to approach the centre as a back line weapon if you managed to push the enemy team back a little and not risking a lot AND there’s triple inkstrike :D
I’m a pretty problematic sniper main (mainly squiffer splatterscope and e litre 4k) as I move around quite often (to other safe places obviously except when doing trick shots) so if I’m using e-litre 4k or the custom version of it, I dislike using scopes as well, I need to proteccccc my teammates more by seeing more and assisting them when needed
I use both vanilla and custom e-litre 4k with 2 entirely different builds and I started to use the custom version more as a lot of stages have different backline locations but you only have 1 backline most of the time, so I like to super jump to beacons as it’s a faster approach than to swim to the other backline locations so I run a quick super jump and ink recovery rate build with some ink saver (sub) on secondary slots as well it just helps a lot most of the time and despite the startup of kraken royale, it provides invincibility and I can use it in dire situations to save myself in super jumps
I just run a standard full ink saver (main) build on the vanilla e-litre 4k but the tracking and shredding ability of the vanilla e-litre 4k is insane as both ink mine and wave breaker provides around 35 damage and tracks opponents but I’d prefer point sensor over ink mine but ink mine inks some ground to provide some shelter when faces with trizooka or crab tank targeting you and also opponents with slayer weapons
Overall sniper is broken if you aim well
Snipe 148, Shot 119, Slosher 92.
So next update slosher is getting massive nerfs, it's special will also recieve a nerf, and shot will recieve a smaller than normal accuracy buff. Snipewriter won't change but Bamboo, the other charger that can't one hit will recieve a massive nerf by association.
Mini will receive its fifth random change (preferably nerf) that no one asked for, some slow and unused weapon like H3 or Explosher will get the most minute of white ink buffs that will definitely catapult it into meta trust me bro and .52 will get Splash's perfect accuracy (it underperformed severely)
And pencil is probably gonna stay the same somehow
also reef gets another paint nerf without a buff to compensate for said nerf
@@shinji6645also, sorella brella 200p
They will nerf sprinkler to "fix" pencil.
Honestly so much data was dropped so quickly that at this point idk what's going on but it's still interesting to hear Chara talk about it even tho my head is empty.
Yea I might have the chart on screen longer and reduce how much of it I cover, this video is mostly a test for the format
@@ProChara I really enjoyed it as I find these empirical data videos interesting but it was just slightly difficulty to keep track of what exactly everything meant. It was a great vid tho and I'd love to see more of it.
@@ProCharai think more importantly we have no idea what the data means. “Usage points” makes some sense but we have no idea how we got there I feel like.
@@atsukana1704I think it would be helpful with a more proper explanation in the video, but the use% is how often something was picked out of all available weapon slots, meaning 8 possible uses each battle, while comp% was how often a weapon was used on any team. Use% should total to 100% while comp% should total to 400%.
If this doesn’t tell Nintendo to give us more bombs I don’t know what will.
They'll probably nerf bombs because they're too popular
Wouldn't this tell Nintendo to actually buff the unused bombs?
I loved this video, also the stats basically made me realize something. Pencil is jut the Inciniroar of Competive Splatoon. It itself doesn't dish out crazy damage or anything initially overpowered, but what it does is provide so much support and shuts down so many threats defensively that it's a no brainer to pick. (Also Maybe a Chara Balatro Vid sometime? I'd be down to watch that since I recently got into the game.)
If you are unaware of what Inciniroar is capable of in terms of VGC Comp Pokemon, I suggest watching WolfeyVGC's video on it. While the ways they work for their team differs due to game style it really shows why pencil (and inciniroar) are so strong.
Also like Inciniroar it never gets nerfed
Huh, I hadn't thought about it before, but now that you mention it you are absolutely right.
Or Lando-T in singles, though I guess Tusk has mostly taken over that ground utility role.
@@gavinyeet5821 I'd say Lando-T isn't the best example for singles