I think a constant weight or pressure versus your finger would be more accurate with a dial guage showing the movement? But your point is well taken. I understand what you’re saying. 👍👍
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Great content Sir. Question, during your bar clamp demo doesn't the arrow bend toward the weak point not the stiff point? You showed it opposite. Please explain. TY
Yes , In my opinion, that's the best way, and since I have access to a lathe, I just put the cut & squared arrows, in between two centers, and dial in the tail stock, and bend the arrow just like the clamp technique.
What about testing on the paps after you put on say a 3" ethics insert? Do you test from where the rest is? From the sleeve? From behind the insert shaft?
Wouldn't you want to confirm all this with unglued inserts and practice tips on both ends of the arrow? (Otherwise flexing could be impacted by jig flex & also end cut precision?)
unless you cut them to final length first, then find the spine, your marks are wrong. A cut shaft's spine will be different. Search for "exodus outdoor gear", his video "truth about spine aligning....." demonstrated the concept perfectly.
If locating your cock vane on the weak spot is always best then why can you often get wildly different results when nock tuning and shooting bare shafts through paper?
They really should not have any weak spot in an ideal situation. Easton claims their shafts are the same in all 360 degrees. They pretty much invented most of the technologies involved in making arrows starting with aluminum shafts and they make almost every arrow shot in every Olympics. I would be interested to see what would happen with some X10 parallel pros I don’t thing X10s would work as they are barreled arrows (smaller on the ends) also very expensive. Just an idea.
Does it matter where the spine alignment mark is facing? Should it be facing up on the arrow or can it be on the right, left, or facing down? When I nock an arrow the spine mark is facing toward the riser side of the bow. Is that ok as long as all of the arrows spine marks face the same way? Hopefully this makes sense. Lol
Finding the spine is the start. Then there are other steps but bare shaft tune from there shoot your arrow and find where is shoots best off the bow. Then basically shoot the next one and see if it does the same thing. Bullet hole through paper. Your not done there yet but you then know where to mark your arrow for the cock vane unless you four fletch. Then you make a mark to know that's the top of the arrow. Hope what I said makes sense
A more accurate way to find the stiff side of the arrow is to have a constant weight applied and then rotate the arrow to look for a stiff side. That said, if you have arrows with a rotating spine, it won’t matter as much.
You say it's flawed in your opinion, what makes you think that what you're doing is correct? Companies who manufacture arrows spend money on R&D and they have the correct machines equipment to produce and test arrows for the correct spine and stiffness. You probably have gotten your info of other archers and from watching TH-cam videos. This not a criticism as such but if Companies were lying about their product then why not sue and these Companies for false advertising? If you could provide evidence that is irrefutable and not based on opinion that companies are misleading the public arrow manufacturing companies would be paying out serious compensation for false advertising. Just a thought.
Yes that is how we are fletching! Arrow will always flex towards the weakest point, the cock vane depicts that for us. If a 4 fletch, we will split the weak point
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I think a constant weight or pressure versus your finger would be more accurate with a dial guage showing the movement? But your point is well taken. I understand what you’re saying. 👍👍
This is just too much thought and science for me. Appreciate the time and effort you put into this but whoa. Thanks
I truly appreciate all the content and information you provide hunters. I have the utmost respect for the way you treat your customers and provide information not industry buzz words. The truth of all of that always shows in your end consumer experience with high quality products. Thank you so much for all you do.
Like to see more of the pressing with the week point at bottom, left, right ect.
Great content Sir. Question, during your bar clamp demo doesn't the arrow bend toward the weak point not the stiff point? You showed it opposite. Please explain. TY
I’m in agreement with you, I think he accidentally described it backwards. Arrow should bend towards the weak side of the spine.
Thank you Team Exodus for being so helpfull in explaining all of this.
I wish he would of turned the arrow a different way in the bar clamp
Could you cut arrows to your length and square ends and go directly to the clamp to mark the weak spot in your arrow?
Yes , In my opinion, that's the best way, and since I have access to a lathe, I just put the cut & squared arrows, in between two centers, and dial in the tail stock, and bend the arrow just like the clamp technique.
Is it just me or did anyone else think seth rogan was making a archery video? Lol😆
What about testing on the paps after you put on say a 3" ethics insert? Do you test from where the rest is? From the sleeve? From behind the insert shaft?
I just did a short on spine Alignment. No tools needed.
I don't see it, how did you do it
Wouldn't you want to confirm all this with unglued inserts and practice tips on both ends of the arrow? (Otherwise flexing could be impacted by jig flex & also end cut precision?)
Tested that way & I think I'd order a dozen!
unless you cut them to final length first, then find the spine, your marks are wrong. A cut shaft's spine will be different. Search for "exodus outdoor gear", his video "truth about spine aligning....." demonstrated the concept perfectly.
If locating your cock vane on the weak spot is always best then why can you often get wildly different results when nock tuning and shooting bare shafts through paper?
Very Interesting, thanks.
They really should not have any weak spot in an ideal situation. Easton claims their shafts are the same in all 360 degrees. They pretty much invented most of the technologies involved in making arrows starting with aluminum shafts and they make almost every arrow shot in every Olympics. I would be interested to see what would happen with some X10 parallel pros I don’t thing X10s would work as they are barreled arrows (smaller on the ends) also very expensive. Just an idea.
Why is it necessary to hold down the arrow when spinning to find the week point?
Does it matter where the spine alignment mark is facing? Should it be facing up on the arrow or can it be on the right, left, or facing down? When I nock an arrow the spine mark is facing toward the riser side of the bow. Is that ok as long as all of the arrows spine marks face the same way? Hopefully this makes sense. Lol
As long as it’s consistent, it doesn’t matter when shooting a drop away rest.
Finding the spine is the start. Then there are other steps but bare shaft tune from there shoot your arrow and find where is shoots best off the bow. Then basically shoot the next one and see if it does the same thing. Bullet hole through paper. Your not done there yet but you then know where to mark your arrow for the cock vane unless you four fletch. Then you make a mark to know that's the top of the arrow. Hope what I said makes sense
A more accurate way to find the stiff side of the arrow is to have a constant weight applied and then rotate the arrow to look for a stiff side.
That said, if you have arrows with a rotating spine, it won’t matter as much.
What tool are you using to check the spine on your arrows ?
Firenock PAPS system
Are you able to get titanium outserts yet for the 204 arrow?
We aren’t sourcing the titanium inserts, but firenock makes one compatible!
There is no archer’s paradox with a compound bow…..and arrows do not paradox.
Just nock tune, problem solved... no need for advertising gimmicks
You say it's flawed in your opinion, what makes you think that what you're doing is correct? Companies who manufacture arrows spend money on R&D and they have the correct machines equipment to produce and test arrows for the correct spine and stiffness. You probably have gotten your info of other archers and from watching TH-cam videos. This not a criticism as such but if Companies were lying about their product then why not sue and these Companies for false advertising? If you could provide evidence that is irrefutable and not based on opinion that companies are misleading the public arrow manufacturing companies would be paying out serious compensation for false advertising. Just a thought.
So cockvane on weak point?
Yes that is how we are fletching! Arrow will always flex towards the weakest point, the cock vane depicts that for us. If a 4 fletch, we will split the weak point
So in the video the weak point is opposite of we’re you are marking ?
Total waste of time and effort
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Why you choose the weakest side and not stiff? I see several videos and use ti fletch on stiff side.
Because the arrow will flex towards the weakest point.