The FINAL BATTLE - Hinderer XM 18 3.5" Gen 6 No Choil Slicer VS ZT 0562
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I just got my 0562ti out of the mail box about an hour ago and after some light oil am sitting at the kitchen table starting the break-in process. For me this is going to be a terrific knife, and will do everything that I ask of it. Deer season starts a couple of days from now, and this knife is going to get put to work right away. If I had spent the money to get a Hinderer, I would be reluctant to get it dirty like that right away. That is if I could even get one in the first place. After placing the order, I was tempted to replace the screws and pivot with something other than black, but this thing looks just fine the way it is and I`m not going to mess with it. Just use it, clean it, oil it, repeat. I enjoy your channel, thanks. Another Kansas guy.
I was having the same dilemma, should I buy a XM-18 even though I already have a ZT 0562cf? After buying my first Hinderer Eklipse 3.5 harpoon tanto, I realized the difference in quality. It became even easier to buy the XM-18 when I saw the new tri-way pivot w/harpoon spanto blade & bronze frame. This is a very different knife from the ZT 0562 slicer. I was lucky to get one of the limited supplie of Hinderer on layaway at BHQ. I don't have much money but their layaway has enabled me to pick up a very respectable collection. Love these shoot out shows, thanks for the great content.
I just wanted to say thank you. I bought my first Hinderer the XM-18 3.5. I did a lot of research after you continued to relentlessly talk about Hinderer LOL. It meets all my expectations and then some. I absolutely love it. Thanks again.
This was a fun comparison video MC. Your enthusiasm is great. The xm-18 3.5 is definitely better in my opinion. I’d love to see more comparison vids from you.
Great video MC, I have both of these knives and find them both awesome but if I could only keep one it’s definitely the XM18.
When you did your livestream the other day (face cam), these 2 were next to each other and I was thinking, I'd like to see a comparison/battle between these 2. Great video as always MC.
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amazing knife. can't wait to get a hinderer. I have the 0562TI
You just made me feel soooooo much better about the $$$ I just dropped on an XM-18. Thank you
Welp... I have an 0562Ti arriving tomorrow, and I was totally cool with it. Now I'm convinced that I'm doomed to follow your path, MC. I have a feeling I may be selling off a small handful of my beloved Spydies and Microtechs in order to satisfy my Hinderer curiosity.
Great review, man.
Well... Did you do it? Lol. I fell into the trap and snagged one. Love it
I have the 0562cf and got my first xm18 last week during your video and off your link. It was actually easy for me thanks. Both are nice, the xm18 fits perfectly in my hand a hair better than 0562 but no complaints here
Does anyone know where I can find custom pocket clips for the 0562?
I made the mistake and went internet shopping for the XM18 and fell in love with the DLC coated blue scale no choil slicer. At $465 it would 2.5x more then my current most expensive knife and more then a couple guns I have. 😢
Same here man, but i bit the bullet... and guess what, i spent alot more than you would have (540 bucks with tax....) But you know what they say :
Boys never grow up , their toys just get more expensive...
This is the model I ordered. It will be here in 2 more days. I can't wait!!!
Ur videos are so good and you come up with so many great topics. Keep up the good work. 👍👍👍
I have the G10/Elmax. Three things gave it the win for me. Price (200.00 when I bought mine), the pocket clip is one of my favorites and the action was better at the time.
Man that was an awesome show MC
I own three xm-18 and the heat treat all three are subpar... That's one thing that metal complexes not touch on.
Great vid buddy. I went with the XM18 but I guess you already know that😁👍
Great review
Amazon has the full TI 0562 on sale for $240 right now and I just snagged one. Super impressed with it. I usually stick to
$240 for a 0562ti is a great deal! That would be $625 in Hinderer money. The Hinderer is a bit better, but not 2-3x better IMO. Also, the clip on the ZT can be swapped out for lefties, the XM cannot.
$240 for a 0562ti is a great deal! That would be $625 in Hinderer money (when you factor in $200 for a scale). The Hinderer is a bit better, but not 2-3x better IMO. Also, the clip on the ZT can be swapped out for lefties, the XM cannot.
I have the 0562 in g10 and elmax, was $200. And an xm-18 gen 6, 3.5 inch slicer with choil. $425.
Happy with both. But unlike you MC, Hinderer didn't blow my socks off. I'll probably buy another one at some point but I'm not compelled. Now when I got my first crk, a large sebenza, within a couple of months I had an umnumzaan and an inkosi. So for me, crk outshines Hinderer.
You left off the stainless steel liner on the 0562 vs Ti on the XM. The stainless liner is what turned me off to the OG 0562’s.
If you’re interested in the 0562 buy it for its own merits, not as a substitute for the XM (or any other knife).
What about ss liners turns you off in regards to the zt?
Yeah the material of the liners you never see and can’t tell the difference in just say you want to say you have the nice hindered lmao
@@Southernknife_addict
Some of steel ZT has used has been prone to rust in my experience, which one reason.
They are both good buys, the ZT because it’s a great knife cheap, the Hinderer because you get maximum quality for a reasonable price. I am happy with both of my examples of these knives!
I kind of regret not buying the 0562.. but I love my 0452 right now. Maybe I'll buy one soon.
These are so close in design but I personally feel a skinny hinderer is closer to the 0562 than the regular thickness.
The 0562 is a great knife, especially for the money. One can make a solid argument that it is one of the best bang for your buck highish end knives you can get. But at the end of the day it is an imitation of the XM-18. There's only one original and it's obvious to those who have taken the time to find out. Good comparison vid!
A Hinderer XM-18 won't replace my 0562's until there are readily available left-handed options...even if it's just a damn reversible clip option.
Do you use a left hand 0562? Curious because I'm left handed and bought one which is righty (I have a lot of righty knives but non of the price and all which I tried in store before I decided). Just curious how you like it either way?
Ok you sold me I want them both !
I get a lot of rusting on the steel under the g10 scales on my zt 0562! I want a xm18 but the knife weights to much for edc
Wow just seen the weight I take it back lol
I had the 0562 in G10/Elmax and should have kept that. I still like the 0801Ti better. Quality and action are the same. The 0801Ti has a beautiful blade that quickly tapers down to make a good slicer. Also, really nice milling on handle. I’m not even into flippers but I’ve kept 6-7 good ones. Been into knives a long time but have no desire to go above $300 manual MT Socom Elite money. If I did get something more expensive, Hinderer would near top of list.
Ok I’m very very late to the convo but I’m thinking. I’m buying the ZT. Because I will use it. The XM18 I would have as a collectors piece and would very seldom use. So I’m buying both and for those reasons.
I couldn't find the xm18 anywhere. So I settled on the zt562
I think that the price difference being worth it or not falls down to the better warranty
Nice video. I have the Hinderer. I’m not real confident with the overall quality. I’ve read on a couple forums that Hinderer has very poor customer service. ZT, I hear they have great quality and customer service. My ZT0022 is spot on. It’s screams quality.
Well, I've gotta admit, this is the very first time I've ever heard anything similar. Not sure what to say here man. Maybe people perceive "quality" different. As for customer service, I've never had an issue with either.
I've owned many variants of both. IMO, the ZTs are good, but nothing compared to the real deal. Whatever you're happy with is right for you 👍
Did hinderer design the stop thumb stop pins? If so that imho is the best part of hinderer design as it resists lateral torque
I honestly don't know. I feel like it's unlikely Hinderer was the first to do that.
honestly having had a ti 0562 i bought a kizer activ bantam, and their actually comprable!
I love my 3.5 No choil Slicer. I even got my name Laser engraved on the lockside.
I like the ZT 0652, Got both the titanium and the CF. Biggest problem with the Hinderer knives is all of the scales that are really wanted are always sold out. Especially on DLT trading. The brown, green, grey etc knives and scales never sell. Sellers discontinue knives that don't sell. Explain to me that.
I also prefer a deep carry clip, but you can get one, possibly even from Hinderer.
Love my 0562 cf. Don't see how the Hinderer could be much better
You probably won't until you handle one.
I’m watching this in May of 2022. The ZT is looking more and more attractive.
I watched this trying to convince myself I could buy the ZT, but I can't. The Hinderer even sounds better.
Heck yeah
I've been on the very edge of being a hinderer fan for years and years, but the Gen 4 models that we were stuck with forever were just simply not worth the money. I had a couple of different gen 4s and I tried really hard to like them, but they ended up getting the boot. Fit and finish did not at all match the price tag.
Gen 6 Hinderers are not at all the same knives. I have one in my hand, and I barely believe that its from the same company as the gen 4s I had.
So thats my personal take. The gen 4s never earned the price tag, and I applaud Rick and the team for sticking with a design that sold fine before with numerous issues, and transforming it into something that competes with anything else on the market today.
Here's the thing about it, just like when the Bradley Alias came out years ago as a cheaper Sebenza. If ya buy the cheaper version, you're still gonna want the other one, but most likely, not vice versa
Having owned the 0562ti and a non flipper, I still think the 0562ti is better. The ergos feel so much better. The contouring is just better, no question. Considering you need to spend another $200 for a titanium scale for the xm18 and it's still not contoured like the 0562? No thanks. Nit-picks are not worth $200+ dollar difference. If the XM with titanium was $350 then I'd say for sure its better. A proprietary tool with the tri way system that costs $80 is also a major detractor. I could buy an s35vn Elementum for the price of a tool I shouldn't need in the first place. The price tag just screams gucci knife to me. Still actually love them both. The non flipper is still the GOAT
A spanner bit (or notch cut in a penny) isn't something that's difficult to buy/make. I tend to throw that argument out the window immediately. Everything else is perspective. We all have unique value systems.
@@metal_complex I would agree if the tri way wasnt designed/marketed such that you're meant to take it apart. I use a nail clipper and a rubber band to take mine apart. Nonetheless, its not like Hinderer is required to build them that way or required to sell that tool. Both seem intentionally unnecessary especially after 6 generations because they know fans will defend it. That's like Apple advertising the new iPhone has interchangeable cameras but you need their $100 tool to change them (sold separately.) They aren't really interchangeable then upon purchase and everyone knows why they're doing it. Just buying the product upfront and risking damaging your very expensive tool to get around it doesn't justify that decision. To get an equivalent to an 0562ti im really spending upwards of $700+ to get the full experience of the tri way and full titanium from Hinderer knives marketing pov and its just not $400 more worth of knife.
Dude... no. It was designed because of the polarization with pivot hardware in the enthusiast knife world. Bearings vs pb vs nylon. Everyone had a different opinion. His knives at the time were nylon, and tons of his target buyers were shying away from them. So what's the best move? Give everyone all 3. He sells a tool if you want it, but the pivot absolutely doesn't require it. You're seeking something that isn't there, and overcomplicating it for justification. Most people switch out the hardware for what they want and just leave it that way. Im 100% certain the vast majority of people who own the knife don't own the armoror's tool. Thats not the thing Making Rick's business grow. Its the knife itself.
Hinderers and ZTs aren't made the same. Neither are Hinderers and iPhones. You're imagining a gimmick to help sooth your frustration with the price. Its easy for most people to jump to the whole "greed" conclusion when they don't understand or cant afford something. Buy what you like. I can assure you that you won't make any ground with me in this debate.
The first knife i ever bought was a gerber torch 2 probably 15 years ago which i recently learned was a rick hinderer design so apparently I need to buy a real one. Lol
Thick behind the edge works in a working mans way. I like a thin profile don’t get me wrong but at work I’ll just chip or break it so I value a thick stock with a thick edge just so I don’t break it
You said a lot of comments about bouth knives but you forgot that Hinderer had a laynard hole :) Maybe its the reason becouse its lighter then ZT :) I realy love that on knife...Best wishes from Serbia
I’ve owned both. Both are great knives, but the ZT0562 is by far the better value.
ZT0562ti is good enough for me. If I want to customize my knife I'll go the Olamic route.
Im sorry but I was pretty dang sure the carbon fiber used in the 0562 IS textured.
Maybe others mentioned the Corvette vs Ferrari analogy was off. The track experience does not always match the magazine and image hype. Besides, these knives are more like trucks.
Ya... im not interested in dissecting the analogy. It served its purpose.
Any chance you'd sell that 0562? ...please?
Not mine. Belongs to my buddy Rob and it's his only knife.
I want the Xm-18…but Rick Hinderer wont make me one so i bought the CT…guess he earns more money having CT produce a nockoff for himm…i will admit im a little pissed but living in denmark (europe) i dont know if its going to be a week or a year before i can order one🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️😂😂😊😊
Great comparison, thanks. No lanyard hole on the ZT, so obviously the Hinderer wins. 😉
Could you tell me how to get a hinderer.thanks
The XM slicer is just a better looking grind. I’ve had a 0562 G10, and may get one again. I just think the XM slicer looks better without the big thumb ramp. The Z/T although a Hinderer design almost looks like a 0300 series, the grinds are pronounced too much and a lot going on.
Just an opinion.. Be well
Crazy part is the ZT is more than likely a higher hrc than the hinderer & better edge geometry. So the the ZT will most likely out cut the xm!
Um, I know where you are trying to go with your analog but the c7 vette cornered just about better than any car, almost ever. Not sure about the new mid engine versions but, yeah.
Having owned a 3.5" XM18 and an 0562TI, I sold the XM. I just didn't like it as much and didn't feel like the value was there for me. The lockbar had a problem with traveling farther and farther over as I cut with it, it had lock stick, it was squeaky even after a long and painful (for my finger) break-in with KPL, and I didn't love the action on washers so my squeaking problem remained even after disassembling and reassembling it. I'm sure mine was an isolated issue because I've hardly ever heard of those issues on Gen 6 knives, but they happened. I also think the 0562TI feels better in hand and is MUCH more comfortable to deploy, and no lockup issues on my example, though I have heard of issues with ZT framelocks in the past. Now, with that being said, I still want a Project X if I could ever manage to get my hands on one (and afford it). Right now it feels impossible though.
If hinderer had an only fans metal complex would be the first customer lmao
If the Hinderer was 99% perfect as a knife could get - I think the ZT comes in at about 90% for nearly half the price. I think the Hinderer is made for people who can appreciate that difference in quality and extra effort put into them.
I think this video is you trying to emphasize how you appreciate that difference. You come off pretty biased as most of your points in favor of the hinderer are imperceptibly nit picky while clear wins for the ZT you completely write off. I think that’s why you had so many incomplete, interrupted, and distracted thoughts. It’s hard to convey emotion. 😂
Dollar for dollar, the ZT has to get the nod. The Hinderer is slightly better, perhaps, quality-wise, but also costs 2X as much! The Hinderer is a close runner-up. That said, I prefer the Hinderer. The extra quality is worth it to me.
Actually in 2024 the Hinderer is only about $125 more. But yes, I agree with what you said
Do you know that a TwoSun m390 knife actually has that blade steel?
I like the zt blade better. The slicer grind on the xm18 looks like a butter knife. I like the grind lines and overall blade shape of the zt. The choil-less xm18 is nice.
The fact that people judge the quality of a knife by flipping action alone is just completely ridiculous, obviously the XM 18 is a much better built knife then the 0562...
I bought this...now I bought a Hinderer.
You wont but you will...
You just can’t beat a Hinderer, I’m sorry. I love the ZT hinderers but they are just not the same feel.
I like the non flipper more. To me the flippers sticks out like ugly sharkfin.
If you've never held one, it may change your mind to put it in hand. Deployed, the flipper creates a perfect spot for your finger to sit in, almost like a gaurd.
@@jad1019 ....until you choke up. My 1st xm18 is a 3.5" flipper with a choil, std. thickness. My dream xm18 is a no choil non flipper 3.5"
@@tristanmurphy4731 really only see choking up on versions with a choil, in which case my middle finger falls right in the same place my index finger was.
There's a reason you keep comparing all kinds of different hinderers to the 0562. You know the old saying. I think you've actually convinced yourself there better.
No. Lol. I can understand how you arrived there. Its an interesting thought, but it isn't correct.
@@metal_complex you say something enough times. You start believing its true.
Ya but you're just casually applying that saying to something you think is true in a sort of wishy washy way. Speaking as the actual person who controls my brain, I can tell you confidently that you are not correct.
No bias here… move on!