ZT 0562TI VS Hinderer XM-18 3.5" Gen 6 (Does ZT still make a better Hinderer than Hinderer?)
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No contest . I bought both.
So In your opinion who wins?
@@ALLDAYEVERYDAYKIM ZT for easier carry and value. XM18 for beefyness.
@@JohnC29 Thanks for the inside track. I want the Hinderer no doubt because it is a Hinderer at the same time ZT sounds coo as heck
Can't pick a winner myself, having never owned an XM18. But this is mostly due to how darn great the ZT0562Ti is. And dat sound! So good!
Thanks for putting out so much content lately! Great diversion from other things I no longer want to dwell on.
I've owned the 0562CF for a little over a year now, and the XM18 (Spanto) for a few months. As you said they're both great knives, but I love the beefiness of the XM18, and I have to admit that the fact that I have a Hinderer in my pocket does put a bit of a smile on my face.
The 562 has a thicker blade .16vs.15 and thick full ti handles. How is the xm18 more beefy?
Very thorough review/comparison. I love them both... one other detail that I would put in favor of the XM-18 is that when closing, it clears the detent ball more quickly than does the 0562. Well done!
I was set on the ZT 0308 but now I’m eyeing Hinderer. The Spanto style in stonewash. 😍
Just picked up a Protech SBR for $153 with your affiliate code. Thank you for the discount code, and I’m glad that I can help continue your partnership with Southern Edge!
I appreciate the fact that you actually said something that most reviewers seem to ignore when picking a knife, and that's how a particular knife actually makes you feel! I watch countless knife reviews and everyone attempts to be objective, but you can't, everyone's feelings come through some how and their personal interests usually effect the review in some way. So rather than ignore that, come right out and say it. When you get into knives, how a knife makes feel justifies what you pay almost more so thank anything else, and that is very personal, and there is nothing wrong with that. On paper a knife may justify it's price, but if I get it in my hand and it just doesn't "click" for me personally, that price, and spec sheet means absolutely nothing to me.
Word. Stupid Man Brain as I call it... is REAL!
I own the XM and have a 0562Ti arriving today. I’ll get to make this comparison for myself! I’m excited!
Just ordered a 0562ti. For some reason I have absolutely no interest in actual Hinderer knives. But man that ZT resonates with me so much!
Hi Bryan, love the Spyderco Smock! Great video! Keep up the good work..
Awesome videos, great info on both but I’m saving up for a hinderer
Unfortunately I haven’t got to experience either one of these. They are both outta my current price range. But the Hinderer xm18 3.5 has been my grail knife for sometime now, so I would have to give it the win aswell. I pray that I’ll be able to get my hands on one someday!!
This is a rare time that I disagree with you. I own both and would go with the 0562 for looks, feel, sound, deployment and value.
Same for me.
I purchased a 0562ti because of your review and it’s worth every penny. As someone who doesn’t handle a lot of knives like you I am blown away by the 0562ti. Couldn’t imagine having a full blown Hinderer being that much better.
I've had both. Hinderer hands down!
I’ll never have a dog in this fight, as I’ll never have either of these knives, unless I win the lottery! Both are beautiful and I’d love to own either, but that ZT is just so pretty!
Love all your videos!!!! Can you make one on best knives to customize? Maybe put in some custom scale options?
I bought the ZT 0562 in Elmax when it came out, I loved it! It’s the G10 model. I liked it so much I ordered the Hinderer, I was so disappointed! The knife absolutely would not flip open, the detent was so weak. I tried to like it but I just never could. I sold it! Maybe I’ll try one of the new ones with the bearings!
I have to mentally battle myself on which one to put in my pocket both are great
Great video as always. I'm torn between a ZT 0562ti and a SpydieChef. Back to video review watching!
Get both there awesome. I only own three knifes and I think I've got everything covered with these three, ZT0562ti, Spidiechef, and PM2.
Dude, you have been putting out the best content lately!!!!
Least I can do with what's going on.
I owned a ZT 0562CF but after owning a few Gen 6 Hinderers I had no interest in getting the Ti 0562 and really just want to continue with the Hinderers. There actually is a slightly different feel to them.
You can make the 0562 cf look like whatever you want. They make many many sales on secondary market. Even ti ones. Not sure about the ti version. Since the show scale is all one piece
My 0562cf is waaaay better than the Xm18 I had. That was a Gen.4 though 😂
Probably would still go for for the ZT purely based on price because they’re so close for the rest.
I would agree with your opinion. I have an old Hinderer and it is bulletproof. But I bought a new ekipse 3.5 and the quality has really got bad on these knives. My buddy has one and holding them side by side and there are noticeable size tolerance differences in both knives. It seems like their manufacturing is inconsistent with the same knife made at different times.
I can very easily open my 0562 cf with the thumb studs. I can even slow roll it. Also I think the cf is heavier due to the steel liner on the scale side compared to the ti. That said, I can see myself getting an XM-18 in the future because like the 0562 so much.
The only way I could rationalize getting a slicer XM-18 without selling my 0562ti was to buy the skinny. So that's exactly what I did. Both great. Two of my favorites, and I'm pretty sure the 0562 is still my answer to if I had to use one knife for the rest of my life - slicey enough for food prep, thick enough for hard use. Skinny slicer is right there though, especially since the main things I use a knife for are cutting boxes and ensuring steaks are medium rare.
i agree! That feeling when you carry real Hinderer! I'm only dreaming that
@David P. yep! The 0562 is easily the better knife of the two. Even this review, it felt like the hinderer got a pity win. Bias based on nostalgia
I never see you get nasty comments. Let me know I'll straiten them out. Nobody disses The Dice.
Nice battle
Do you know off hand what the width dimension is for the handle and what the width of the knife is closed. I can’t seem to find them anywhere. I know lengths and thickness’s. Thanks.
I usually find myself agreeing with you on almost everything you review but I have both and the 0562 is in my pocket a lot more. Love the clip and it feels so good in the hand. Not sure this is apple and oranges when one is so much more less expensive then the other and it took 6 versions from Hinderer to get close to the 0562. I'll put it this way. I'd sell my Hinderer while I would never get rid of my 0562
It’s not meant to be completely fair. It’s just answering a couple questions I get.
I respectfully disagree... I would give the win (ever so slightly) to the ZT. Great battle!
I kinda agree with you, and that slight edge ZT win for me is the handle. I just like full TI vs that strange half n half. Love that horse logo too on Hinderer. I almost pulled the trigger on the ZT, and not I decided I'll go back and get it.
I have 2 ZT0562’s with anodized scales from USA MADE Blade and 2 Hinderer XM-18 Gen 6’s, one a Spanto in S45VN and one a Harpoon Spanto Skinny in CPM 20CV. The action on both 0562’s are nowhere near the XM-18’s, having double clutches on closing and have a somewhat, for lack of a better term, “unsatisfying” sound on opening and closing. Even discounting the “branding” factor, the XM-18’s are head and shoulders above the 0562’s. Just my 2 cents. 😇
Oh i forgot to mention in my previous comment that i prefer the XM because of the not being able to use the thumbstud issue on the ZT that you pointed out. I have a zt0392 with the same issue and i really hate thatbi cant use thumb studs on it. I am not a flipper first guy. I prefer to be able yo use both. I am having a hard time deciding between a new xm or a new 31 sebenza. I have had both those in past and sold both.
Get a quiet carry waypoint
The jimping alone is enough for me to not want the Hinderer. Love my 0562CF though. And you can customize them; I’ve actually got a Micarta scale on the way. Oh, and ZT’s entire lineup was on sale recently. The CF was down to $200 and the Ti was like $240.
Tough jimping and the xm18 needs breaking in while the zt is sweet out of the box
I wish hinderer and zt would make more 2.5 inch blade knives, that’s more my size category due to urban environment
Been debating lately if I want to get an XM18 or just get another 0562 since I’ve missed mine.
You can't go wrong with the 0562.
Just got an xm-18 myself, and have owned a 0562cf for a while. While similar, the Hinderer does feel a little more high quality, more solid, stiffer detent, and just awesome. The ZT feels a little more docile, for lack of a better term. A little more slippery, more rounded, softer in general, but still high quality. People agonize over which to get but in my opinion they are different enough that there is room for both in a collection. Whether the extra cost for a hinderer is worth it to most people? That's up to the individual. I think it is, and can't wait to swap mine over to phosphor bronze washers to see how it is.
I will say, the Hinderer is smoother on bearings. There's none of that feeling of the bearings rolling around. It's just smooth... Really awesome and impressive! I've had a little lock stick, but a little sharpie and working it is clearing it up nicely. Not much different than my Gayle Bradley 2.
Update on my lock stick. I was flipping it all day Saturday. Lots of graphite and sharpie used. The lock stick became unbearable, to the point that my thumb is slightly bruised. I was agonizing over wondering if I should send it to the Ranch. Decided to clean up the tang and everything I could get to with some alcohol and a cotton swab, and then put a dab of oil on the detent ball since it was grinding after. NO MORE LOCK STICK! A little loctite on the pivot to keep it from backing out, and I'm good. This knife is incredible. Totally worth the price I paid, and I have no regrets. I will probably acquire more Hinderers....
Yes
Thinking about buying the new factory special 0562. Not sure. Opinions?
I liked the video alot. I own a number of Hinderers and have owned the O562. While I would agree that the XM-18 3.5 is the winner, I like the blade shape of the 0562 and flipping action better. I do like that the Hinderer can be flipped and also thumb flicked. I tried to use the code you provided for a discount at Southern Edge Knifeworks and it was not recognized.
Shoot them an email. Should be working.
I remember back in 2011 paying 900 dollars for a Hinderer. They were the HOTTEST knives you could get back then. My how things have changed. You can get them anywhere for 475.
Stupid man brain was the factor that pushed the Hinderer to the win. What I took from this was that the ZT loses by a hair where it loses and wins by more when it wins. Since I don’t have a stupid man brain (I have a smart man brain) I’m ordering the ZT. 😎
I cannot vouch for your brain but the rest is fair.
I own the 0562ti and I personally think it is a better knife for the price
Have you owned a Gen 6 XM?
The only thing I like better on the ZT is the small choil. On the XM-18 I have never found there is more control with the index finger around it. Of coarse this year some XM's were released without the choil which I also think makes it a better looking folder.
Hinderer has a no choil option
Hello there! Nice VS as always!
I would like to buy my first Hinderer XM-18 3.5" but I need some advice.
My job (print operator) envolve a lot of serious cutting tasks (ranging from thick cardboard to PVC). I need something that cuts well.
I hesitate between a Skinny Sheepsfoot and a Regular Slicer.
As I am currently EDCing a Sebenza Insingo, I tend to favor the Sheepsfoot blade but for what I saw online, the aftermarket for the Skinny XM-18 seems very limited. Should I instead go for the Regular Slicer and be able to customise it later?
Can I get your feedback?
Never had a skinny. (Will soon) But the regular slicer is the uh... Sliciest... Hence the catchy name.
@@SliceyDicey Hum yeah, that, I assumed the "Slicer" should be the sliciest grind...
What I was just wondering which one between a Regular 3.5" Slicer and a Skinny 3.5" Sheepsfoot would be the best cutting tool. I supposed the skinny being the thinnest (hence the catchy name) would perform better, even more so with a sheepsfoot blade. And if so, if it was worth having limited customising options.
But if I understand that you can't really tell if you haven't got your hands on a skinny yet.
Thanks anyways!
Kassalis Yeah Sorry. I’d THINK the skinny would be at least as good but I don’t know for sure.
A couple of the body screws on my new xm-18 spin from the female (flat, clip side). For $425, that really pisses me off. People saying I should use masking tape to keep them in place when tightening them. I'll take a crk all day over hinderer. And I have the zt 0562 in g10 and elmax that's never had any issues.
I got an 0562Ti recently instead of the 3.5 inch xm18. I got it on the recent ZT sale, so for less than 280 it's a really great knife. I am not a huge fan of flippers, so I couldn't justify buying myself a Hinderer flipper for 425. Still glad to have a ZT produced Hinderer design, and the 0562Ti is so clean.
ZT0801ti i had came nib with lockbar failure. I had to take a dremel to it to fix it b4 I sold it.
They both win because I'm getting both.
I agree with you Brian,,, RHK’s are sub par compared to Zero Tolerance products.
I really need to get myself a hinderer, but it's way out of my budget.
Another win for the 0562 is: a full Ti show side on an XM is another $200. It just comes on a 0562
I disagree! The g10 on the hinderer is really well done and i much prefer it in feel and look to the full ti zt. Also prefer it to the xm ti scale. You really have to have it in hand to appreciate it!
@@brianroza673 oh I know, but when considering price value, buying a ti scale for an XM18 alone costs nearly as much as the entire 0562
How do you know that the Hinderer has a harder Rockwell?
I have both and I'm gonna have to go with the xm18 as well but just by a tad. My xm18 is running on the PB washers and after polishing it runs good on them.
the zt can be thumb stud opened, just give it a little wrist flick
Not for me. I can't get it to break the detent.
Sorry but that flat head screw for the pivot on the Hinderer is a fatal flaw. Who is their right mind would use the worst possible fastener for a pivot?
could you imagine hinderer coming out with a deep carry pocket clip
You'd never get your hands on one, they would be sold out in 3 minutes.
I have a ZT0562ct in the way
You should have had a Gen4 one for the flipping experience. If you don’t push it it’s not going to open. So doing it like the ZT with pushing it back you can’t open the Gen4 that’s what I really really hated about my Xm18. Haven’t had a Gen6 one so far but I am now searching for a 0562Ti because of that issue. ZT is making better Hinderer than Hinderer 😂. I only got a Slippy right now and what I really hate about Hinderer is the usage of these unnecessary screws. Use Torx and everybody would be fine but no they need to use these stupid screws.
If possible, the best way would be to do a "blind A B test"....branding covered up. Both knvies with a black G10 scale....and you didn't know whih 2 knvies you were comparing. >>.when doing the deploy/close test look away from the knife....KNOWING which knife you have in your hand can bias your opinion ahead of time... all you see on the blade is " A" or "B"...heh...
I just picked up my Hinderer from the mailbox today. What are the odds?
1/365
Hate hearing U.S prices because even without the currency conversion it’s much cheaper than here in the u.k about a third higher that’s if you can find then if your importing it yourself there’s customs fees a 20% tax postage , risk and a 🤕 headache!
I don't think my XM in 20CV holds an edge worth a shit. Haven't cut much with the ZT? I've looked up issues with the Hinderer steel with no luck. It's a Skinny Sheep. I feel like all my Medfords in both S35 and S90 hold a better edge. 🤷♂️
Yes you should buy a real Hinderer.
Great video. Hinderers are amazing knives
Sorry, going to have to agree to disagree. Especially on value. Hinderer starts at $425 but add, what, $135 for the titanium scale? Then we have a level playing field. Pocket clip. Nuff said. Personally, I'd rather have more blade than a forward choil. I rarely, if ever, use one though I have lots of knives that have them. It just doesn't add any advantage to the tasks that I do plus ApostleP will grind in a choil for less than the cost of a Hinderer titanium scale. Jimping on the backstrap, right at the spot where other designers are smoothing and relieving the area is a no brainer. Smoothness, well, I don't have a triway so it might not be completely fair but my 0562's are smoother. Last big point, there are plenty of after market parts available for the 0562 from titanium pivots in any color to scales, colored screws and custom all-over anno jobs.
Can't side with you on this one. Just personal preference, like you just talked about.
Why would people get mad at something that is YOUR opinion, oh wait never mind, I forget about the keyboard warriors, lol. Great review/battle man. Thanks for all the content lately to keep our minds off this nightmare going on around us.
Hinderer for play, zero tolerance 0652 ti for work.
I like Audi and the high end top end Audi’s are amazing but they are made by Porsche and there’s something about Porsche that beats Audi it’s almost like this comparison because Audi and Porsche come from the same owner. Both amazing but you can’t knock the Pedegree
Where in God’s name did you come up with such a thing? Audi is produced by Volkswagen.
Volkswagen makes and owns Porsche Lamborghini Bentley Audi and Ducati,. You don’t actually think that all those companies talk all those engineers have lunch with each other and they all steal each other‘s ideas and then the top in cars get all the best tech.
Hinderer supposed to be quality which it is. But then he decided wrap up the design and put washers from a dollar tree store.
the xm18 should be better because its more expensive - well...they both chunky rugged knives. there is not real better one.to know that you have to try them and torture them field test them and then come to conclusion . but one cost 425 and the other 280 so do the math.
Both of em will absolutely fail the spine wack test both of my 0562 will fail the spine wack test and my coworkers xm will fail it with 3 hits meanwhile my 60 spyderco delica will take it all day but the Zt’s are built like tanks huh??
Forward finger choil is totally contrived and dumb and actually hinders the hinderer, by means of neutering the edge, for the sake of🤷🏼♂️nobody ever has a good excuse. It literally doesn’t make sense, and takes up a considerable amount of, what should have been edge.
The TI looks like a construction knife that sits in someone's tool bag. Just not appealing.
If anyone wants to trade a hinderer for a ZT let me know 😅.
I just want to know how ya'll can manage to afford paying $400 for 7 ounces of steel and plastic lo
If you look at it as art pieces, it’s not a lot of money. Guys collect weirder things. Trust me. 🔪💕
I’ve seen people paying a lot more for a little piece of paper. Like playing cards and stamps!🤷♂️
Hard use test? Don't only talk do a real heavy duty use test on both. Talk mean not much, it's going for views on TH-cam without substance
“Talk mean not much.”
Absolute Grug mode. You are a full on orc, an unabashed caveman.
Until ZT fixes their heat treat, Hinderer will win every time for me
I was so unsure about which one i’d prefer that i ordered both. I decided to keep the xm-18 because there’s something more in the look to me. Both are great great knives tho!