Spartan-III | Mythos
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
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Most underrated generation of Spartans hands down. I hope to see more mentions and showcases of them in future Halo media. Just feels like the S-IVs stole their spotlight.
The unsung heroes of the Human-Covenant war.
Imagine if there was a reskin of the game mode Rush from Battlefield where you get to play as a massive wave of spartan 3s with a limit on respawns against an unlimited respawn of covenant.
@@TheDandyMann Firefight
@@TheDandyMann Holy damn crap that sounds amazing. As a massive III fanboy, that would be a dream come true.
They were too kick ass. Bungie would have had trouble showing them properly, 343 has no hope :(
I found Spartans-III very cool. Neither legends like Spartans-II nor mass-produce heroes like Spartans-IV. The forgotten middle child of the UNSC, and thats just so interesting.
They are quite literally, Unsung heroes of the HCW. Keep in mind that MJOLNIR CLAD S3s let the public and the UNSC THINK they were S2s and gave all their achievements to the 2s since they were unknown and so they could continue to boost morale. That alone shoes just how awesome and tragic the 3s are. They are easily my favorite program, especially Gammas
They were mass-produced. They just got done dirty by ONI and ackerson by being treated as canon fodder to be thrown at
"0% survival rate" missions.
They deserved better.
(youtube wants to be soft and take down my comment just because of a word... stupid pansies)
@@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy which makes me wonder, given their secrecy, if spartans-IV in universe are considere spartans-III by the common people and the military not involved in the project. Or what kind of story ONI told about the numeric mistery.
@@solocolt rule of two
Militaries are known to do weird shit with numbers
The Spartan IIIs are definitely my favorite class of Spartans. They aren't the military machines that the IIs are, and they aren't the 'fireteam fratboys' that typifies some of the IVs. They strike a good balance and yet end up being the most tragic of all of them.
It was a spartan 111 Noble six who ensured Cortana reach Chief
To be honest, The spartan 3s would've been better than the Spartan 2s. If they bad tome to develop, and not sent to die.
@@justapersonz5441
Not at all. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Don't get me wrong, they are nothing to scoff at, but the 2s are a whole nother level.
@@East_Coast_Toasty_Boyin the books it is shown if given the same armor and time to mature they would be superior. They were trained by Kurt a Spartan II to be better
@@Kilo_11 Nowhere in the books does it say that. Don't get me wrong, they are deadly, and I like em, but they will never be SUPERIOR.
Parangosky: the operation was a complete success.
Kurt Ambros: they're all dead.
Parangosky: complete utter success.
It’s sadly true. The III’s were sent after such high value targets that even if they were annihilated while accomplishing the objective, the loss was considered totally acceptable.
Just like how the imperium in Warhammer 40K takes casualties, 100% casualty rate = Strategic success
@@thespikeheadboy3164 The difference is scale, of course. The Guard has what, a trillion in service across the Imperium? The most active IIIs for any given company was 330. That was Gamma, the first two had only 300 (this only includes main company Spartans, so Headhunters and Mjolnir-equipped squads like Noble don't count).
But still, Beta company 's 300 on-average 12-year-olds in worse armor making thousands of Covenant actively retreat from them is one of my favorite Halo moments. Ghosts of Onyx is such a great book.
Forgive the rambling, I just take any chance I can to gush over the IIIs.
@@amcname8789 yeah one of the reasons I absolutely loved the Ghosts of Onyx.... Elites being absolutely terrified of 12 year old kids was very amusing
And she had the nerve to call halsely a monster
This makes me glad SPI armour is coming to Infinite in season 3. Would love to see the lore descriptions for it
Just a shame Infinite's item lore descriptions are far less robust than Halo 5. That was something I enjoyed about each set in that game. It could look stupid as all hell, but there was at least some interesting flavor text.
The Spartan IIIs are indeed worthy of the name. While not as powerful as the IIs they still fought hard and well while facing into the jaws of death in order to give Humanity the time it would ultimately need.
I agree, but the IIIs weren't weaker than the IIs, I'm sorry. Their augmentations were more *efficient* and far less lethal to administer. So the aug-related washout and fatality rate was usually 0%.
The genetic criteria were less strict, which meant more could join, but there were still incredibly small numbers of candidates for each company. Gamma had the most actually become Spartans, with 330 compared to the other two's 300 (note: this is in relation to the non-Headhunter and Mjolnir-equipped IIIs). The criteria were still intensive, with usually about 400+ kids brought to Onyx, with the aforementioned amounts becoming Spartans.
Their training was also just blatantly superior - they were trained by a II (one of the best when it came to leadership), and the II's own instructor. It's outright stated to be a superior training regimen.
And physically, while there's just far less to go on, the IIIs are blatantly monsters in CQC, with Beta snapping Elite's limbs and turning Jackal's bodies into broken Ragdolls (that's literally paraphrased from Ghosts of Onyx). That's in armor that at best, modestly enhances their physical abilities.
Whatever. Anyway, sorry for the rant, it's just a misconception I wished would be definitely resolved at least.
The Spartan IIIs were, to be frank, a gross misallocation of valuable resources. If they had all been given the same resources and equipment the IIs had, they could have, in time, become just as or more effective than their predecessors.
Some 3s were stronger than 2s and faster . Unlike the 2s who were genetically peefect the 3s weren't which is why their transformations were so impressive cause each 3 was similar but there base strengths and speeds varried from spartan to spartan
@@AuroraAustralis_ Yep, but MONEH!
@@amcname8789 No, they were on average weaker than the 2s. The augs were safer as a trade-off to being less effective, so they could be mass-produced. The only things you're right about is the training (because the Spartan 2s were created BEFORE first contact, so they only knew of HUMAN weapons, equipment, tactics etc. and none of the Covenant) and the CQC part, that was my favorite part of Ghosts of Onyx.
From what I gather, Spartan 2s were the peak of the spartan program and gave the Unsc a fighting chance. Just too few in Number and very expensive equipment hard to replicate in mass.
Spartan 3s were cost effective, able to be mass produced and sent to missions that the UNSC could not do without possibly losing the Spartan 2s that were left, and a large amount of their normal forces. So Spartan 3s were the lifeline of the UNSC going.
They're kinda like the UNSC Army; they do a lot of the hard work, yet get no recognition.
It's just the S3's are recognized by the fans and forgotten in-universe, while the Army is forgotten by everyone on _both_ sides of the screen.
Would love to see more Spartan 111, ODST and Army Airborne material
@TheT26E4SuperPershing "They only handle ground" doesn't really work when there have been two mainline games with levels set on Earth itself, defending it from invasion with _no_ Army in sight.
The games almost always ignore the Army and use the Navy for ground defence instead, with the Army often never even showing up. It's not even a matter of "they weren't made yet" either, since the Army has been around since _The Fall of Reach_ in 2001.
They're the Hufflepuff House of Halo.
They got the 40K Guardsman treatment, and it's fucked up. They deserved better.
@@vegeta002 That's the consequence of having the program in complete secrecy.
Would you consider doing Most Detailed Breakdowns of particularly important battles in the halo universe? I know it doesn't quite fit with the engineering theme of the channel, but your voice would lend wonderfully to an immersive retelling of heroics
He could narrate a chapter from a novel, perhaps. I'd love for Operation: TORPEDO to get that treatment. It would probably give me chills.
Frankly its a shame the IIIs don't get more of a spotlight in the post Covenant War canon. Last I checked in there wasn't anything that said what happened to the members of Gamma company that weren't on Onyx, I suppose they could've been expended on desperate suicide missions to slow the final Covenant onslaught, but its my view they were more likely rerouted to the final defensive actions. Which is to say that in theory a good chunk of them should've survived and thus a sizeable portion of the post was Spartan force should have G prefix numbers.
My God this is true and makes me sad.
Gamma Company is still mostly intact. Out of the 330 Gammas, as of the most recent lore, 322 of the 330 are currently still alive.
I imagine the Spartans in the Halo Infinite multiplayer trailer were IIIs. I think they were likely deployed at Earth and Mars
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By far my most favorite Gen of Spartans.
My favorite Spartan IIIs in the Halo franchise:
S-259 (Noble One)
S-320 (Noble Two)
S-266 (Noble Three)
S-239 (Noble Four)
S-312 (Noble Six)
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S-052 (Noble Five) was a Spartan II. Therefore, he is not on this list.
Jun teaming up with Masterchief would be great
Roland and Jonah are some of my favorites as well. Headhunters.
I always find it interesting when people refer to the Spartan-III's as "volunteers", as if they were even capable of volunteering for military service at the age of 4-6 years (I seriously doubt you're considered a legal adult at 4 in the UEG) or had a choice in the matter in the first place. ONI does not do "choice", ONI _will_ get what they want and what they want is more Spartans.
That bullshit wouldn't fly if the truth behind the Spartan-III program ever came out and would be seen for exactly what it _actually_ is; a pre-emptive PR spin they prepared to protect themselves from the backlash if anyone discovered where those Spartans came from and to make themselves look better than Halsey and the Spartan-II program.
You're totally right, volunteering ages 4-6 is just as crazy as them being deployed in their early teens. Though they were asked if they wanted revenge for the loss of their families, there were a lot of orphans available to ONI because of the war
Its likely what made Noble six highly ruthless
@@oscarosullivan4513 It is, their desire to kill covenant and avenge the dead made the III's very motivated.
@@thespikeheadboy3164 Agreed
Given the option of joining the military at 6 or going to a orphanage or group home… sign me up
Thanks for this the Spartan III story reminds me of a hero origin story like Batman Punisher Daredevil Nightwing their family were tragically taken away and they train to avenge and seek justice unfortunately they were used as disposable solider
Spartan 3s are the fangs of humanity that were lost 😢
Halo needs new Devs. The Artwork for the thumbnail of this video made me think of a large scale halo game where you play as spartan III’s on the types of missions they actually took part in lore. It was a gritty high attrition story that halo hasn’t seen in any of its games.(aside from Reach which was campaign oriented) Maybe something like the story driven multiplayer like Titan fall but plays like that plays similar to Battlefield. Covenant vs elites. Playable elites vs Spartan III’s and the rest of the covenant could be like the Npc’s of Titan fall. A story less individually focused but more on a scale of humanity vs Covenant.
Halo needs Developers on good stable contracts who are fans of the series and have a lot of independence.
@@oscarosullivan4513 I wonder how many of the classic bungie employees are even at bungie anymore.If they aren’t it would be cool to bring them back together for another Halo
@@HalcyonDaze149 Agreed and developers who grew up playing the game. Would work if they had proper long term contracts with good pay and conditions and a lot of independence.
@@HalcyonDaze149 With Destiny Bungie jumped the Shark.
The Spartan IIIs are the the most underrated, and a dear fav of mine, of the Spartan Program I really wished they would’ve appeared in more of the later games after seeing and playing as a member of Noble team. Though it sucks that a lot of them died there is hope for them with Tom-B292, Lucy-B091, Owen-B096, the whole of Gamma company and Delta company which I believe is still fully active with all personal and has received training at a different planet since Onyx blew up and there were even supplies set for them too.👍
Also Jun. I think the 111’s, ODST’s and Army Airborne are underused source material.
I agree. Delta never came to be though. Everything was set for their arrival, but then GoO happened, and with the living security risks the Gammas are, and any follow-up III companies being made redundant by the IVs, there's no way they ever went through with it. Just like Spartan-II class II.
I don't know maybe they did? ONI had the the company selected, they could have easily moved the training facility to another distant frontier planet, like the planet the Johnson Academy is on. The thing is who trained them since Kurt is dead and Mendez is still on Onyx?
@@dedricadams5998 Mendez isn't on Onyx, he was retrieved months later. And by that point the (more moral and probably easier at that point IV program was well under way). So the minds behind the IIIs were: dead, dead, or unwilling to continue with it.
@@dedricadams5998
Most likely any other remaining members of Alpha and Beta and any S2 willing to do the job
I wonder if the 3s didn't have to be use for suicide mission how much of the war would've be different
Probably a lot shorter, considering the Covenant would have ship construction and resupply facilities right in the middle of Human space instead of having to go the long way.
@@vegeta002 True but I was thinking on the line of giving the operations to the odsts more then the spartan as the spartans harder to replace than the odsts
@@omarcj789 ODSTs wouldn't have been able to complete the missions in the first place.
@@kallemort There's more than one way to asset denial a objective.
Send in a odst team with a high yield nuke and watch the fireworks.
Sending the spartans to die like that is just a waste of resources and talent.
@@omarcj789 Interesting point
When will you be making a Halo Encyclopedia deep dive?
Nice
Wonder why he didn't share that program with the Army? It would have added another lethal element to the UNSC andvto the the games. So much potential from current material that's been left on the table.
As much as I have warmed up to Spartan-III over the years, particularly following the introduction of the IV's, the 3's were done dirty from the outset. Making super soldiers to go into large-scale battle situations while at the same time training them like the previous generation that were trained to be special forces units is just so incredibly asinine that it beggars belief. The moment somebody tells you that special forces should be used to fight all battles is the moment that you can write that person off as not a serious individual.
Sure, special forces are incredible soldiers, and can outperform the rank-and-file in basically every way, but that doesn't mean they are of best service in replacing the rank-and-file. Really, that sort of thinking leads to your enemies learning to fight your best at all times, and when you need that little extra you don't have it because there is nobody better to come in and turn the tide.
It's interesting, in the recently released Halo: The Rubicon Protocol book, even the Spartan-IV's are still trained as special forces units. When push comes to shove, they perform the role of special forces in all the ways you would hope a special forces unit would perform. Which, I feel, further points out the gross mishandling of Spartan-III units. Imagine how many more high value targets could have been eliminated if the Spartan-III's were deployed like typical special forces. Sure, the targets they hit were of incredible strategic value, but it's hard to fathom that the value of those few targets was worth more than the potential of 30+ years of special forces service from hundreds of super soldiers.
I know you wrote this a year ago, but I feel this probably explains why the Spartans did so poorly in Infinite against the banished. Yes the banished were played up to be this group of covenant exiles/outcasts that were basically suicide units that just didn’t die, but going by Halo Wars even regular marines with only a few Spartans 2s were able to put up a fight. Yet Infinite opens up with the Infinity being decimated and then once Chief makes it onto Zeta Halo every spartan he comes across is dead as if they were all just regular marines.
Could we please have a video on lore and such of the delta company? Or like a theory video?! Please! I kinda like the idea of delta company but in lore they left it ambiguous so I just want to know what your thoughts are on what happened to them! And what augmentations and such they might have undergone!
Those guys were so cool. A shame the only game with 3s has them in MJOLNIR. Would have been cool to see them in SPI and with some cool weapons like the MA5K.
A new Video
OK so my 9 year old just started playing Halo. They are loving it, and they knew I followed and knew a lot of the lore.
So as I was explaining the backstory to MC117 when they asked a question: "If ONI had the ability to clone anyone they wanted, why didn't ONI just make baby clones of all the most genetically capable adults then turn those children into SPARTANs, rather than kidnapping kids from families?"
Then I thought about this video I just watched a couple weeks ago, and thought they potentially could have had nearly infinite numbers of SPARTAN IIIs while the SPARTAN IV process was being perfected, without as much moral darkness. Cloning would make so much of the bad moral choices moot. Also this means the people that developed the storylines chose to have Halsey and all the ONI people that followed her chose the worst most evil path.
If I recall correctly the cloning they did of the kids they used to replace the kids of the original Spartan II project had extremely short life spans in which they died a few weeks or months after the swap. So it would be somewhat pointless to inject and augment what would be disposable clones that would die in a short lifespan where as the kids inducted would live longer and gain more experience throughout their lifespan over their deployments. Though it's been a while since I read that legendary fall of reach novel and the other OG books in the series from Eric Nylund so I'm not a 100% with that.
Because cloning was flawed at the time. Like the other person said, the clones had a very short lifespan. Some died a week or two later, some managed to last months or even years as was the case with Daisy-023 meeting her clone after her augmentations. The problem is that all of the flash clones suffered abnormalities due to the process of rapid development even just aging the clones a few years to replace the children. All of them had genetic disorders due to damage to their dna which resulted in mental defects along with physical illnesses. Daisy’s clone couldn’t walk and was bound to a wheelchair.
Maybe they could have avoided that problem if they simply grew clones from infancy instead of rapidly aging them, but then the clones wouldn’t be ready in time for when they would have been needed since waiting for those extra years for them to grow up means the covenant would have still attacked but this time no Spartans ready to use against them.
Can you do a video about the Spartan 4 Mythos. 🙂
I don't think they have much of a mythos given they all have an already existing military background (for the most part) and the program is public.
Too short 😢 I like listening to videos well I'm doing things like cleaning so having to stop more often and find a new video isn't fun
You might like the audiobooks?
Hey I was wondering when the Most Detailed High Charity will come? I've been looking forward to it so much, the trailer was incredible
He basically has to research what's effectively a planet (it is literally a chunk of one). And what he can't research he has to find plausible conjecture for.
@@amcname8789 He's the GOAT I know trust me lol
Ok what is the song at the end of your video and what soundtrack is it from...been looking for it. Love your videos! Thank you!
Question who was the original Noble 6 before he was replaced by the current Noble 6 in Halo Reach.
Thom (pronounced "Tom"). I don't remember his service number, but he's the one in the Reach live action trailer (that sacrifices himself at the end).
@@amcname8789 thanks
You left out Noble 6 as a survivor of Beta company. He ain't alive anymore but was during that. Granted he was most likely not there at all.
he was not in Operation: TORPEDO. Him and Kat were pulled out before the operation began
Hornet
I thought that the mutagen was 1st use on beta and then gamma after Kurt learns the fate of alpha
Not quite. The extra "berserker" augmentations were first applied to Gamma. Beta got better SPI and training more focused on teamwork.
With the advancement of AI. Why didn’t they just make like robots or something ?
I wanted more.
What happened to the Charile, Delta Echo and F companies?
never made
To me it stupid to stop the spartan 3 progam just find a way to make the chemicals work on adults sine the 3s are closer to spartan 2s than the 4s.
Well, child soldiers vs. fully willing, able and experienced veteran volunteers. And the IV augmentations are pretty impressive, believe it or not. Sure, they objectively can't match a II or III, but it's extensive.
@@amcname8789 The 4s augmentations would be fine if it wasn't for the fact they needed to have someone to keep their augmentations in check every few months. I feel if Oni found a way to change the chemicals of the 3s to work on adults problem solved just don't to child soldiers.
@@williamgibson3862it’s not that they wouldn’t necessarily work on adults, they just simply wouldn’t be as effective. It’s mostly because the children still go through puberty which allow the augmentations to adapt to their bodies better. Adults also aren’t going to get a lot out of the muscle and bone augmentations, specifically when it comes to growth since they are already done growing. Meanwhile the 3s were given hgh and other supplements in addition to the augmentations while their bodies were still developing, pretty much a case of min-maxing. There’s also the fact the 3s still had strict and specific genetic requirements even if it wasn’t as bad as the 2s. Kurt even explains that lowering the genetic requirement would then start showing failures in the augmentation process. Whereas the 4’s augmentations were tailor made to specifically work for each individual.
I might not have played a lot of Halo games except Halo 1 but to me S-3 is like a cheaper n more wide spread unlike S-4 which is just a hand pick elite (mostly after human covenant war). Plus the SPI armour is something even a civilian can use.
P/S : I like to think S-3 n SPI armour similar to Kamen Rider G3/G3-X. Just your average Joe who was able to make a power suit to fight on par with the main character battle mode
This is a response of mine I copy-pasted from another comment, hope that's alright:
I agree, but the IIIs weren't weaker than the IIs, I'm sorry. Their augmentations were more *efficient* and far less lethal to administer. So the aug-related washout and fatality rate was usually 0%.
The genetic criteria were less strict, which meant more could join, but there were still incredibly small numbers of candidates for each company. Gamma had the most actually become Spartans, with 330 compared to the other two's 300 (note: this is in relation to the non-Headhunter and Mjolnir-equipped IIIs). The criteria were still intensive, with usually about 400+ kids brought to Onyx, with the aforementioned amounts becoming Spartans.
Their training was also just blatantly superior - they were trained by a II (one of the best when it came to leadership), and the II's own instructor. It's outright stated to be a superior training regimen.
And physically, while there's just far less to go on, the IIIs are blatantly monsters in CQC, with Beta snapping Elite's limbs and turning Jackal's bodies into broken Ragdolls (that's literally paraphrased from Ghosts of Onyx). That's in armor that at best, modestly enhances their physical abilities.
Whatever. Anyway, sorry for the rant, it's just a misconception I wished would be definitely resolved at least.
@@amcname8789
1. genetic don't count if u gonna make suicide bomber.
2. alpha co. was just trial run to see how there training would help for the 1st suicide mission. Beta co. n those soon to come has a more strict PE n Mental training to increase mission success rate n having more aggressive fighter... capable of fighting during heavy injur.. (like Noble 1 being shot but still could fly the palican properly b 4 crashing to the scarab)
3. their armour was just low budget Mjolnir with good infiltration capability aka SPI armor
4. Spartan 3 r more human/civilian, Spartan 2 r more machine while Spartan 4 r more militaristic...Spartan 1 aka Orion 1 r just special ops druggies (my Spartan analysis in a nutshell)
all in all I do agree with that statement...since I've been into Halo ever since 2015 n able to catch up to all the lore up till now
@@jude0985 No offense, but that's almost entirely wrong. The Alphas were not a test run any more than the IIs were. And the IIIs were an improvement on the IIs. And the Alphas went on a dozen missions, including PROMETHEUS, the Betas went on more than one mission as well.
They were indoctrinated from often around the same age or younger than the IIs, they're no less indoctrinated, and they absolutely are more efficient and "soldier-like" than the IVs (in the sense that they were raised from childhood with a tougher training regimen and motivated by hatred, compared to the IVs being skilled but still regularly adjusted people).
And also, fyi, Carter was part of Alpha company.
You just aren't correct about almost anything you've said. I would look into whatever source you got this from, because it's wrong.
@@amcname8789 I think u misinterpreted the term "trial run" since I was talking about their training is tough but not as tough as the Beta co. n so on since they were supposed to be...*quote in quote "deployed since yesterday" *end of quote...also u sound like a cry baby when someone doesn't have the same opinion as u, like what r u 12 😂 n the rest is just like u said... besides different people have different ways of understanding things not everyone is single minded 🍵✍🏻
Do we know what happened to Gamma Co as a whole?
A large majority still serve in the Spartan branch of the unsc. But the a few of the top graduates died during the onyx conflict.
@@prompthorizon_12 I get that I just don’t understand why there isn’t anymore mention of them after the bulk of gamma company leaves onyx. The only gammas we hear about are the ones who are ferrets now.
@@vikingactual3507 it's mostly because they don't deploy in large groups any more , just smaller fireteams. Yeah ferret is the one thats gets mostly brought up, probably because they were the most developed in terms of story.
i just watch spartan abilities is more powerful abilities than armor abilities.
Question: Why didn't the Forerunners descended into Hedonism and Depravity, despite living in a society of luxury in which they don't have to do anything and everything is done by robots?
The had a philosophy called the Mantle of responsibility which basically drove them to be like protectors of life in the galaxy
@@Kradus Any moral standard can become irrelevant given enough time.
@@nobleman9393 i mean they all of course didnt feel that way but that was there main drive as a civilization. And if your thinking there like the Eldar in 40k the forerunners were even more advanced plus they don't have space magic to pollute there minds
What the other person said. And that they aren't the Eldar.
@@Kradus Psychic powers didn't really cause the Fall of the Eldar, They didn't had to do anything, robots would do everything for them or they would wish things into existence and at some point regular Recreational activities were no longer satisfying.
Nah man keep the episodes like 15+20 min