@@isaacdebeila8085 PG-13 aint a choker you see that last year in the Playoffs he them boys up but he dont have enough help but they still in the WCF and lost in 6 which is impressive
@@AceTheCap823 bro start buggin fr 😂😂 but it wasn’t all fact. Bird, Jordan a couple times, Kareem, magic, Wilt a few times and Shaq…have been swept. If u gonna say a kd aint legendary like them bc he’s been swept it literally makes no sense. Riv gotta try again🤣🤣
I'm only at the 4:57 mark, and I feel like I'm living vicariously through Riv with not only the facts he's delivering but the anger and passion he's delivering it with. Joel has been so annoying since the offseason trying to do his best mainstream hot take impressions and Riv said he had enough. I'm here for all of this!
@ericsmusic5927. "Hot takes" for hot takes sake, is lying. It's dishonesty. It's not an honest opinion, but a curated and made up one for outrage and views. There is absolutely something wrong with dishonesty. I can't believe I even have to say that.
Riv’s comments aged very well. He never said KD wasn’t a great player just that he does not have the “legendary” factor in the playoffs. I cannot think of one legendary all time playoff run from KD.
Also the very last statement, Joel said “all I know is when KD was there they won, and when he went down against Toronto and wasn’t there for them they lost” KD has been to the finals without Steph 1 time, he’s 0-1. If we are counting Toronto as Kd not being there, then steph has been to 4 finals without KD, and he’s 2-2. Hypocritical argument to be made on Joel’s part
@@treso414 curry has 6 finals under his belt he is 4/2 won 4 and lost 2 to Cavs and Raptors Curry has a 66% win ratio 2015 Curry was great he put up crazy numbers people just don't give him credit cause of what LeBron was doing and Iggy getting MVP we all know should have went to Curry but media and voters wanted to ride LeBron's "Johnson" lol 2022 was all world
@@Justin683 you’re allowed to think kevin durant is as great as you want, but you and Kevin himself need to understand that the majority of the basketball world will have a hard time considering those warriors rings as a super positive thing for his resume. obviously it’s not a bad thing to have two rings and fmvps in your resume, but kd fans have to act like context doesn’t matter when discussing players careers because if they don’t then those accolades don’t mean as much. the warriors did what they were supposed to do and were expected to do when kd went there, them winning those chips wasn’t some tremendous herculean task, that’s jus how it is.
@@Justin683 it’s not salt. It’s just you can’t call kd “legendary” in the playoffs, then only bring up great KD moments when he’s on that stacked team. The Legends at one point or another deliver against the odds. KD never has. Simple.
@@Justin683 they’ve both choked plenty. But saying Curry has always had better teams is ignorant. Durant had a great run in 2012 but the thing that separates Durant and Curry is leadership. Thunder consistently had a less out of control Russ early on with Ibaka down low in their primes. Sometimes they had unfortunate injury history, and other times KD didn’t come through in the clutch such as 2014, 2016, and then with the nets. Curry had a comparable cast and actually makes them all better. Including Durant. What was their record again while on warriors when Durant was out ans then when Curry was out ?? Oh that’s right, undoubtedly better with Curry opposed to Durant. He went in, played defense and simply played ball. NEVER doubled. Ever. It was Curry getting the doubles. Durant 1 on 1 all the time? Pffft. We saw them both with comparable squads THIS YEAR go against the same team and had two different outcomes. Even if you argue warriors were better, Curry went off against double teams while Durant couldn’t make a pass out of a double team. Durant is definitely top 15 all time but there’s a reason Curry has conversations about being top 10 and Durant doesn’t
@@cashmoney5999 y’all sound salty asl, y’all say he joined them but literally Steph went to recruit him because he knew he wasn’t beating Lebron and Kyrie. Plus gsw wasn’t Kd rival, Lebron was. Kd lost to a stacked Miami team in 2012 in the finals. Losing in the semi finals is not the same. Kd had a rival with Lebron, not gsw
It's actually hilarious bc Joel brought up lebrons 51 pts and not scoring in overtime an held it against him in y'all's latest live an riv said "sounds familiar"🤣🤣
@@Justin683 I wish you would add content to the situation it makes a huge difference. If lebron was in KD position he would of average 35/15/15 in that series since bron would not be double team Or even the main defensive focus, with content it is a lot easier for a player of his caliber. But you can ignore all this as well it don’t fit your narrative.
@@Justin683 he did. It was 2015. Kevin’s Durant really ruined one of the best rivalries in cavs vs golden state. He made the sport unwatchable for 3 years. I don’t understand why he gets credit for being a 🚌 rider not a bud driver. Just don’t put him at the top and I’m fine. keep him number 15 and above. Also curry legacy > KD legacy
Its insane how no matter if Joel is talking bout his favorite player or least favorite player bro be having the most bare minimum arguments for them. You can actually make a decent "KD is a legendary player" argument but bro just be saying surface level facts then trying to dunk of them.
@@quameakbarnes LeBron built a superteam but not the way as KD did KD joined a 73-9 team the team that beat him that already have 3 all stars which is crazy and a pussy move and outside of winning a championship in GS he dont do shit since then thats why Kawhi is eclipsing him in the all-time ranking say what you want about mr. Load manage but he won a 2 meaningful rings especially the 2019 one compared to the two less valued KDs superteam rings
I think we’re misusing the word “choked”. But you’re right in this sense, Mike couldn’t even get past the first round through his first 3 years. All them crazy numbers he was putting up and through 3 years he only had one playoff win to show for it
@@johnhancock1362 a lot of players lost during the playoffs 🤣…stop acting like he didn’t put up numbers in the playoff win or lose he can’t say shit bout his stat line 🔥
Not quite, MJ didn't win his first playoff series until 1988. Plus I wouldn't consider him losing before then choking, he played great, just lost to better teams
@@cameronpearson3650 I mean fair enough. Can’t disagree but people act like that part of his career doesn’t exist. No career is unblemished and when we are talking about legendary performers nitpicking becomes necessary. MJs career just has less blemishes than anyone else’s.
@@Jester-mc5jq Again before 1990 he played great and lost. 1995 was the closest I’ve seen MJ choke a winnable series, and even then it’s kind of a stretch.
Exactly. He is one of the ten best talents the game ever saw. But his legacy and career isn’t top ten. And he should never be put anywhere near MJ Bron Kareem Kobe Shaq etc. he’s not that kind of legend.
As a huge KD fan since college he has some great points. KD has fumbled too much for me to say he's a playoff legend. I can't give hime that. Tho I do appreciate him going to GS and scaring the league for a few years to prove his point about Russell sorry ass. I still can't give him Legendary Status. He is a Phenom tho!
@@tevanwalker3435 Because they are fair weather fans. KD went thru hell that last half of his OKC run dealing with Russ and his Rise. But KD not being a direct type of dude ppl just ran with he weak narrative but didn't understand he just wanted to play with good players and look at the difference it instantly made. Ppl are idiots tho sooo ya know
KD should've gone to Boston in 2016. His legacy wouldn't have been ruined and he would've had Brown, Tatum, Rob Will on his team eventually and already have Smart and Horford.
Tbf to Durant he was the only competent player in that bucks series they were starting Blake who’s not even in rotation and was playing 48 minutes a game every other night so I don’t really blame kd and the KD slander is crazy he’s a top 12 player ever but I understand Joel’s argument
So if that was easy what was 2011 finals when it was 3 stars vs 1 and heat was heavy favorites -160 to win series why Lebron choked? It was supposed to be easy for him heat had 3 top players and he choked u mad cause kd didn’t choke on gs and did what he was supposed to do which was not fold and actually win not say not 1 not 2 not 3 not 4 not 5 not 6 see bron said that shit cause In his head he knew that heat team was gonna be unbeatable or so he thought cause 2011 he got smoked
U saying it was easy dude he beat Lebron kyrie and love dude stop it bron was 33ppg kyrie was 29ppg and love was 16ppg so stop with the easy shit dude it’s played out
@@melorileytv3408 u cant be serious. kd joined a team that went 73-9 the season before, the warriors with kd ruined basketball for 3 years there was no competition what are u talking about
@@josetorres7987 it was competition a few series went 7 Nigga so stop lying Dude and he beat Lebron kyrie and love and fool folks was choosing cavs before that series started and when kd smoked Lebron folks wanted to use it’s not fair bullshit like shut up dude it’s basketball y’all grown men be crying like hoes
49 points 17 rebounds 10 assists 3 steals 2 blocks 48 minutes this was the year he came back from rupturing his achilles, in the Playoffs . WTH they debating lmao
He was nonexistent in Overtime, that’s what he’s arguing. He’s good up until when it matters. Legendary players are good when it matters. Yeah he forced OT but he didn’t score in OT either, his last shot was an air ball. If Kobe or Jordan or Bron or Curry ever did that they would get buried bc of the standard their fans holds them to, but they protect him bc he had a great game. He played great for 48 minutes and played absently for the last 5. That’s what his whole argument is.
@@declansmith5324 them “ legends “ you mentioned all had a great team around them … kds team was just barely put together , from coach to player … they barely played all season together and they had no game plan for kd Whats so ever , meaning the dude was bringing up the ball , and creating his own shots and also playing good defense the whole series , he was gasssssssed tf out , and I can tell y’all who bash him either just hating and disregarding a lot of these things or just never played sports in your life , give him a break … if he had some sort of help just like the other legends had he could’ve atleast rested his legs a bit and ended the bucks
Legendary is beating the 74-9 warriors. Legendary is staying is running it back with your team and winning a chip. Legendary is saying fuck everyone else, I'm finna run the league. Not running away from the challenge. He disqualified himself 6 years ago.
KD averages 50/40/90 splits in the NBA Finals on 30 PPG. Your favorite players have not come close to doing that. Everything else is opinions and narratives.
@@Nurunigo That’s an opinion. The fact of the matter is, he averages 50/40/90 splits in the Finals and was the leading scorer in both of the GS championships.
KD is a legendary player because there’s no one like him plus he’s a champion (regardless if he got it with Steph no one wins solo) KD is a top 15 player and that’s pretty legendary
People will say KD chocked against Milwaukee in 2021 but not once did I hear anyone say Giannis chocked against Boston this past playoffs. All people had to say about that was “Giannis gave it his all…he was tired in Game 7 after carrying the team throughout the series…if he had Middleton, they would’ve won, etc.”. All the same things could be said about KD and his series against Milwaukee. Bro averaged 35, 10, and 5, was carrying his team like crazy, and would’ve easily won had they had Kyrie and a healthy Harden. Yes, Giannis got it done as the main guy that year without a super team and I 100% commend and understand that. But I just don’t like the way we scrutinize one player and not the other…
So kd chokes for being swept in the first round but lebrons a legendary playoff performer while being swept twice in the finals. Same goes for steph blowing a 3-1 lead in the finals
Joel you really should put me in these debates bro cause Riv said Hakeem is a legendary playoff performer, Hakeem is elite but bro did he forget Hakeem was a first round exit every year until he won? Every legend is not going to succeed every SINGLE YEAR it’s literally impossible lol. Magic Johnson choked in the finals in one of the dumbest possible ways. Does it deny he was the clear cut leader throughout almost every chip he got? Hell no! MJ got the ball stolen from him the year he came back from retirement and lost to Shaq, does that nullify everything else HELL NO. Please bro get me on these shows and we really going to critically think about these moments cause people definitely mislabeling KD
lol funny thing be if other ppl listen to this they woulda thought its stright beef and everyone bouttta fight. but if you know then you know its just sports debate lolll. although it almost gets to hands everytime but afterwards your drinking beers watching the game lol
Legends do legendary things. FMVP does not make you a legend. KD hasn’t changed the game, set a standard, broke a record, rewritten a rule....is not a legend, but he is a great player!
@@kendrelc5977 check your history. B-ball was ALL Iso, that’s why it was standard. Like the 3pt shot. It was there but it was used more as a game winner and not a regular part of the offense. Steph and the warriors changed the game. KD is a great player, but he is not a legend…yet.
@@kendrelc5977 7 footers played back to the basket. He’s really I think he’s great and he will start the season with a chip on his shoulder. If the core 3 can stay healthy, engaged and on the court they can do great things. I just don’t believe he’s a legend 1 person 1 opinion.
I’m kind of riding with Joel here, every great player has bad stretches bad series bad moments, KD is legendary in the playoffs, the shot vs Cleveland, “you know who I am” game, going toe to toe with the heat @23 and that whole playoffs, the bucks series is crazy in itself 48 mins, and foot on the line. He’s got it
@@liamcephus9687 explain to us why he's not that dude? And if you telling me he's a choker.. Dude is literally one of the most efficient volume scorer in the league.
@@liamcephus9687 he used the Memphis and spurs series to discredit him not being that “Guy” but the those teams were better than his and in the Memphis series his second best player was out
@@jacobmireles7024 huh? So if KD goes 13/16 shooting and missed the 3 consecutive shots or game winner he's now a choker and 'wasn't there when it mattered'?? LOL this kind of logic doesn't make any sense.
@@The_king567 "fRaUd" WORDS LIKE THAT IS WHEN YOU KNOW YOU CANT HAVE REAL HOOP CONVERSATIONS WITH PPL , I HOOP AND PPL WHO ACTUALLY PLAYED IN THE LEAGUE GIVE KD HIS RESPECT , ONE WAS "KOBE" , NOT ARGUING WITH AVERAGE JOES BOUT BASKETBALL WHEN "REAL" LEGENDS KNOW KD IS AMAZING..
@@jwalls1223 the truth hurts stop overrating that idiot Durant he wasn’t won without Steph and will never win again he’s a fraud and always will be he can’t lead a team to anything
The only thing bad KD really has on resume is the 3-1 every other time he has lost it’s either the other team was better or his team isn’t healthy I hate every other great player gets that notice from fans/casuals
And in the Celtics case last they had an amazing defensive scheme with bodies that bothered KD cause of his strength including the nets not really being a good defensive unit in its self
@@michaelpatterson3084 and Curry dominated that same team. Giannis killed that same team. Both went off against Celtics still. It isn’t that he lost to the Celtics, he got swept and played like garbage. KD isn’t that guy.
@@johnhancock1362 I agree he didn’t play up to his standard but I hate how y’all quick to put ppl like Jason Tatum, luka, and jokic over him when they haven’t done nearly as much as him Because the NETS got swept y’all act that nets was just that good soon as went down in the beginning of the season it went to sht as fans yall never admit that
@@michaelpatterson3084 Luka plays at one of the highest levels in the playoffs ever and Jokic is back to back mvp bro. I definitely wouldn’t put Tatum over Kd. I would probably have KD right now slightly over Jokic but luka slightly ahead of KD right now.
Just cuz you missed a game winner doesn’t mean you “choked” but not scoring an entire quarter is 100% choking
Facts but chokers are player who are constantly placed into win it all situations and fail continually aka cp3, kd, Kyrie, Westbrook, PG-13 and Harden
@@isaacdebeila8085 PG-13 aint a choker you see that last year in the Playoffs he them boys up but he dont have enough help but they still in the WCF and lost in 6 which is impressive
@@dxtremecalibertrue pg-13 is just getting older like everyone else
Might be time to revisit this conversation
I’m here after the Suns got swept.
Still not legendary
One of the best heated debates I’ve seen to this debate. Riv & Joel are GOATED 🐐
Nocap 🤣 s**t went viral
River killed Joel.
When doesn’t he 😂😂
Agree
Cuz he yelling ? 😂😂😂
Ode😂I mean he was yellin a bit too much but he spoke nun but facts
@@AceTheCap823 bro start buggin fr 😂😂 but it wasn’t all fact. Bird, Jordan a couple times, Kareem, magic, Wilt a few times and Shaq…have been swept. If u gonna say a kd aint legendary like them bc he’s been swept it literally makes no sense. Riv gotta try again🤣🤣
I was locked in for the entire podcast! Great show guys!
I'm only at the 4:57 mark, and I feel like I'm living vicariously through Riv with not only the facts he's delivering but the anger and passion he's delivering it with. Joel has been so annoying since the offseason trying to do his best mainstream hot take impressions and Riv said he had enough. I'm here for all of this!
Nothing wrong with being a hot take guy
It makes debates more entertaining. That's why hot takes are so popular
Riv is actually an idiot and if you feel like you're living thru him you're weird bro😂😂
@ericsmusic5927. "Hot takes" for hot takes sake, is lying. It's dishonesty. It's not an honest opinion, but a curated and made up one for outrage and views. There is absolutely something wrong with dishonesty. I can't believe I even have to say that.
Riv’s comments aged very well. He never said KD wasn’t a great player just that he does not have the “legendary” factor in the playoffs. I cannot think of one legendary all time playoff run from KD.
This shit mad funny🤣remind me of those lunch table football debates
Best podcast out! I love the passion and the crew!
I came back to this after the nuggets destroyed the suns in game 6 😂😂😂
Riv was so close to punching Joel 😂
This is the best basketball podcast from 2022, u guys sound just like the bar , the after school debates, congrats. Keep up the good work.✌🏿✌🏿✌🏿
Hell no
I’m not even gone lie, it is REFRESHING to see Steph getting his flowers as a playoff performer after all these years.
Steph definitely deserved that Iggy finals MVP imo
4:48 Riv was heated 😂😂😂
Actually MJ choked in the 1995 East Semifinals against Orlando……he’s the 🐐 but he’s choked at times too.
Another example Game 7 against the Pistons in ‘90, didn’t get the job done.
That clip on Twitter brought me here. Definitely a subscriber now.
Saying KD isn't legendary is disrespectful to basketball as much as I might hate him
He's not lol, larry bird, magic johnson are legendary, KD is just a great player
@@Jaycheong95 KD clears those guys ong
@@kennylafortune63 some people can’t separate team accolades from talent
@@kennylafortune63 KD over Magic and Bird. What you consuming? Can I have some?
He said he’s not a legendary playoff performer and that’s true
I love how you guys actually talk about the game and bring up facts that support your argument
Riv went crazy 📠
@@Justin683 you got kds nuts in your mouth. Kd wouldn’t have a ring without Steph
@@Justin683 KD a playoff choker that needed gsw to cover up how much of a fraud he really is
@@Justin683 he’s right tho kd has folded most of his career when he the main focus of the defense
Also the very last statement, Joel said “all I know is when KD was there they won, and when he went down against Toronto and wasn’t there for them they lost” KD has been to the finals without Steph 1 time, he’s 0-1. If we are counting Toronto as Kd not being there, then steph has been to 4 finals without KD, and he’s 2-2. Hypocritical argument to be made on Joel’s part
3 finals without him
@@treso414 curry has 6 finals under his belt he is 4/2 won 4 and lost 2 to Cavs and Raptors Curry has a 66% win ratio
2015 Curry was great he put up crazy numbers people just don't give him credit cause of what LeBron was doing and Iggy getting MVP we all know should have went to Curry but media and voters wanted to ride LeBron's "Johnson" lol 2022 was all world
Riv literally cooked him 😂
Riv Sharpe killed my boy Joel Bayless in this one lol
“I’d never seen anything like it!” - Joel Bayless
No no no don’t do that Jooooeeeel!!! - Riv Sharp
@@Justin683 you’re allowed to think kevin durant is as great as you want, but you and Kevin himself need to understand that the majority of the basketball world will have a hard time considering those warriors rings as a super positive thing for his resume. obviously it’s not a bad thing to have two rings and fmvps in your resume, but kd fans have to act like context doesn’t matter when discussing players careers because if they don’t then those accolades don’t mean as much. the warriors did what they were supposed to do and were expected to do when kd went there, them winning those chips wasn’t some tremendous herculean task, that’s jus how it is.
@@jxmmykriminallive KD averages 50/40/90 splits in the NBA Finals. Nobody else in NBA history has done that.
@@chriskeesee7508 And that still doesn't make him a legendary performer nor does it make it more valid.
@@kyletucker3811 That’s your opinion.
EVERY episode nowadays IS HEATED just of Joel
Kevin Durant joining the warriors is like making a 99 overall player in 2K and putting him on a 97 overall team
@@Justin683 it’s not salt. It’s just you can’t call kd “legendary” in the playoffs, then only bring up great KD moments when he’s on that stacked team. The Legends at one point or another deliver against the odds. KD never has. Simple.
@@Justin683 they’ve both choked plenty. But saying Curry has always had better teams is ignorant. Durant had a great run in 2012 but the thing that separates Durant and Curry is leadership. Thunder consistently had a less out of control Russ early on with Ibaka down low in their primes. Sometimes they had unfortunate injury history, and other times KD didn’t come through in the clutch such as 2014, 2016, and then with the nets. Curry had a comparable cast and actually makes them all better. Including Durant. What was their record again while on warriors when Durant was out ans then when Curry was out ?? Oh that’s right, undoubtedly better with Curry opposed to Durant. He went in, played defense and simply played ball. NEVER doubled. Ever. It was Curry getting the doubles. Durant 1 on 1 all the time? Pffft. We saw them both with comparable squads THIS YEAR go against the same team and had two different outcomes. Even if you argue warriors were better, Curry went off against double teams while Durant couldn’t make a pass out of a double team. Durant is definitely top 15 all time but there’s a reason Curry has conversations about being top 10 and Durant doesn’t
@johnhancock1362 you are salty
When Kevin Durant dropped 43/13/7 in 2018 finals meanwhile Steph and klay had 10 points a piece. Is that not a legendary moment?
Kd team was wayyy better than everybody else. It doesn’t hold much value when he join a team wit 3 future hall of famers
@@cashmoney5999 5 future hall of famers
Y’all don’t use this against Larry bird doe, he had a hall of fame team
@@etherionoon he got drafted to that team. He didn’t lose to them in the playoffs an then joined them
@@cashmoney5999 y’all sound salty asl, y’all say he joined them but literally Steph went to recruit him because he knew he wasn’t beating Lebron and Kyrie. Plus gsw wasn’t Kd rival, Lebron was. Kd lost to a stacked Miami team in 2012 in the finals. Losing in the semi finals is not the same. Kd had a rival with Lebron, not gsw
I'm lovin Rio Cafe's energy lmaoo
Joel’s body in the morgue, just like every other week damn near lol
It's actually hilarious bc Joel brought up lebrons 51 pts and not scoring in overtime an held it against him in y'all's latest live an riv said "sounds familiar"🤣🤣
Joel is seriously becoming Skip Bayless…he even referred to KD’s shot in the Finals as the “shot of shots” like Skip does
@@Justin683 might be “hating” but he is still speaking FACTS
How is it hate when he ask what he has done without curry? KD fans don’t have answers
@@Justin683 sounds like facts to me not hate.
@@Justin683 I wish you would add content to the situation it makes a huge difference. If lebron was in KD position he would of average 35/15/15 in that series since bron would not be double team Or even the main defensive focus, with content it is a lot easier for a player of his caliber. But you can ignore all this as well it don’t fit your narrative.
@@Justin683 he did. It was 2015. Kevin’s Durant really ruined one of the best rivalries in cavs vs golden state. He made the sport unwatchable for 3 years. I don’t understand why he gets credit for being a 🚌 rider not a bud driver. Just don’t put him at the top and I’m fine. keep him number 15 and above. Also curry legacy > KD legacy
Riv just hates kd 😂😂 he don’t keep the same energy for other players
Ong
He dose tho u just love Joel 😂😂😂
@@thatboirose5525 or thats a kd burner
Found the KD burner.
From the UK love your podcast, keep it up
Stuff like this is why this pod is amazing
BRO MICHEAL DIDNT CHOKE???? Nigga went 3/18 in a playoff game bro let’s stop it
That's not a common thing with Mike tho.
Its insane how no matter if Joel is talking bout his favorite player or least favorite player bro be having the most bare minimum arguments for them. You can actually make a decent "KD is a legendary player" argument but bro just be saying surface level facts then trying to dunk of them.
I was really wish I was arguing for him😂🤦🏾♂️
@@tyyylenolpm me too man's is slow KD definitely a legend
Joel “Skip Bayless” Moran strikes again
the 2 finals kd played in he avg 35 and 28. saying he isn't legendary is ridiculous
He played in another finals at age 23 was 30.6ppg on 55% shit crazy bro kd hate real
@@melorileytv3408 thank u
Yea this guy is a hater but he had a small point
On a Team that absolutely nobody would lose. Alongside the best shooter ever. The defense was on Curry
Riv was in his bag fr
every game in the sweep was close saying adding simmons and joe harris doesn’t change anything is ridiculous ngl
I really don’t get why kd is hated on so much, it’s crazy
the same reason why lebron is hated so much
@@quameakbarnes LeBron built a superteam but not the way as KD did KD joined a 73-9 team the team that beat him that already have 3 all stars which is crazy and a pussy move and outside of winning a championship in GS he dont do shit since then thats why Kawhi is eclipsing him in the all-time ranking say what you want about mr. Load manage but he won a 2 meaningful rings especially the 2019 one compared to the two less valued KDs superteam rings
KD joined a 73-9 team. That was wild crazy. The hateful part was because that same team came back from a 3-1 and beat him in OKC
Joel face while riv rants is killing me😂😂
Mj definitely choked before, people just don’t like to mention it
not in the finals but he def choked in the first n second round
@@edwardsl0524 not true , when his team got right he never choked
@@edwardsl0524 y’all don’t understand what “choking” is
No he didn't he averaged 40 points a game in the first round
I think we’re misusing the word “choked”. But you’re right in this sense, Mike couldn’t even get past the first round through his first 3 years. All them crazy numbers he was putting up and through 3 years he only had one playoff win to show for it
Health AD!?!
"There´s no such thing"
I´m dead 🤣
most passionate pod i’ve listened to good shit
The disrespect is wild 😂 KD is that man every playoff he been carrying teams
Huh
@@dezz8598 what ?
@@ksuperfly55 and lost. He hasn’t won before or after the warriors. Whereas the warriors have won before and after KD.
@@johnhancock1362 a lot of players lost during the playoffs 🤣…stop acting like he didn’t put up numbers in the playoff win or lose he can’t say shit bout his stat line 🔥
@@ksuperfly55 he literally just got swept and shot under 40 percent from the field and 3 against Boston, lmao Foh
I mean MJ didn’t even win a playoff series until 1990, so yeah everybody has choked
Not quite, MJ didn't win his first playoff series until 1988. Plus I wouldn't consider him losing before then choking, he played great, just lost to better teams
@@cameronpearson3650 I mean fair enough. Can’t disagree but people act like that part of his career doesn’t exist. No career is unblemished and when we are talking about legendary performers nitpicking becomes necessary. MJs career just has less blemishes than anyone else’s.
@@Jester-mc5jq Again before 1990 he played great and lost. 1995 was the closest I’ve seen MJ choke a winnable series, and even then it’s kind of a stretch.
@@Jester-mc5jq FAX Jordan fans only take specific stretches of his career
Never seen a man hate KD LIKE THIS
I have, but they have to be serious LeBron fans
KD individually is one the greatest ever, as far as career/legacy imo he can’t be mentioned with Bird, Magic, Kareem & MJ just to name a few.
Exactly. He is one of the ten best talents the game ever saw. But his legacy and career isn’t top ten. And he should never be put anywhere near MJ Bron Kareem Kobe Shaq etc. he’s not that kind of legend.
Realistically he shouldn’t even be compared to curry
shoutout Drew for settling them down…they are the best podcast on the net
I love hearing people give proper respect to the spurs. Spurs nation baby.
Back here after Minnesota swept the Suns
Saw you guys on Solz & Sage, immediately a fan and subscribed
Hating
As a huge KD fan since college he has some great points. KD has fumbled too much for me to say he's a playoff legend. I can't give hime that. Tho I do appreciate him going to GS and scaring the league for a few years to prove his point about Russell sorry ass. I still can't give him Legendary Status. He is a Phenom tho!
bruh why don't more people understand thats the exact reason why he went to GS in the first place but you're right tho 😂
@@tevanwalker3435 Because they are fair weather fans. KD went thru hell that last half of his OKC run dealing with Russ and his Rise. But KD not being a direct type of dude ppl just ran with he weak narrative but didn't understand he just wanted to play with good players and look at the difference it instantly made. Ppl are idiots tho sooo ya know
Your not kd fan stfu😂
KD should've gone to Boston in 2016. His legacy wouldn't have been ruined and he would've had Brown, Tatum, Rob Will on his team eventually and already have Smart and Horford.
@@mitchgoudreau7670 he wouldn't have won shit tho
“kd not being legendary” is comedy bro 😂
Tbf to Durant he was the only competent player in that bucks series they were starting Blake who’s not even in rotation and was playing 48 minutes a game every other night so I don’t really blame kd and the KD slander is crazy he’s a top 12 player ever but I understand Joel’s argument
Thank you!!!! Imagine biggin up any moments KD had with GSW its was EASY!!!!!!!!
So if that was easy what was 2011 finals when it was 3 stars vs 1 and heat was heavy favorites -160 to win series why Lebron choked? It was supposed to be easy for him heat had 3 top players and he choked u mad cause kd didn’t choke on gs and did what he was supposed to do which was not fold and actually win not say not 1 not 2 not 3 not 4 not 5 not 6 see bron said that shit cause In his head he knew that heat team was gonna be unbeatable or so he thought cause 2011 he got smoked
U saying it was easy dude he beat Lebron kyrie and love dude stop it bron was 33ppg kyrie was 29ppg and love was 16ppg so stop with the easy shit dude it’s played out
@@melorileytv3408 u cant be serious. kd joined a team that went 73-9 the season before, the warriors with kd ruined basketball for 3 years there was no competition what are u talking about
@@josetorres7987 it was competition a few series went 7 Nigga so stop lying Dude and he beat Lebron kyrie and love and fool folks was choosing cavs before that series started and when kd smoked Lebron folks wanted to use it’s not fair bullshit like shut up dude it’s basketball y’all grown men be crying like hoes
@@josetorres7987 it wasn’t easy buddy.
7:28 he put them n- excuse my language 😂
49 points
17 rebounds
10 assists
3 steals
2 blocks
48 minutes
this was the year he came back from rupturing his achilles, in the Playoffs . WTH they debating lmao
He was nonexistent in Overtime, that’s what he’s arguing. He’s good up until when it matters. Legendary players are good when it matters. Yeah he forced OT but he didn’t score in OT either, his last shot was an air ball. If Kobe or Jordan or Bron or Curry ever did that they would get buried bc of the standard their fans holds them to, but they protect him bc he had a great game. He played great for 48 minutes and played absently for the last 5. That’s what his whole argument is.
@@declansmith5324 them “ legends “ you mentioned all had a great team around them … kds team was just barely put together , from coach to player … they barely played all season together and they had no game plan for kd Whats so ever , meaning the dude was bringing up the ball , and creating his own shots and also playing good defense the whole series , he was gasssssssed tf out , and I can tell y’all who bash him either just hating and disregarding a lot of these things or just never played sports in your life , give him a break … if he had some sort of help just like the other legends had he could’ve atleast rested his legs a bit and ended the bucks
Who’s here after the Suns gots swept?
Legendary is beating the 74-9 warriors. Legendary is staying is running it back with your team and winning a chip. Legendary is saying fuck everyone else, I'm finna run the league. Not running away from the challenge. He disqualified himself 6 years ago.
Dude shutup KD a legend
I agree, and after what happened to the Suns the other night well..
Bruh too emotional, he’s missing mad context by his hate.
KD averages 50/40/90 splits in the NBA Finals on 30 PPG. Your favorite players have not come close to doing that. Everything else is opinions and narratives.
Like riv said by stats he looks great but his impact wasn’t there
@@Nurunigo That’s an opinion. The fact of the matter is, he averages 50/40/90 splits in the Finals and was the leading scorer in both of the GS championships.
@@chriskeesee7508 We know the gsw stats but what impact has he made for the nets and thunder besides getting smoked out the playoffs
KD is a legendary player because there’s no one like him plus he’s a champion (regardless if he got it with Steph no one wins solo) KD is a top 15 player and that’s pretty legendary
Lmao that big dude listen to Skip. Lmao saying he hit the shots of shots
People will say KD chocked against Milwaukee in 2021 but not once did I hear anyone say Giannis chocked against Boston this past playoffs. All people had to say about that was “Giannis gave it his all…he was tired in Game 7 after carrying the team throughout the series…if he had Middleton, they would’ve won, etc.”. All the same things could be said about KD and his series against Milwaukee. Bro averaged 35, 10, and 5, was carrying his team like crazy, and would’ve easily won had they had Kyrie and a healthy Harden. Yes, Giannis got it done as the main guy that year without a super team and I 100% commend and understand that. But I just don’t like the way we scrutinize one player and not the other…
Riv equals KD hater 😂.
Exactly
Riv NBA takes are always wild and wrong.
So kd chokes for being swept in the first round but lebrons a legendary playoff performer while being swept twice in the finals. Same goes for steph blowing a 3-1 lead in the finals
Not once, but twice in the first round.
Jordan did choke. Stop capping.
KD's a great player, but Riv got historical on Joel. On another note, Curry's been a legendary performer in the playoffs. Kill the narrative.
Joel you really should put me in these debates bro cause Riv said Hakeem is a legendary playoff performer, Hakeem is elite but bro did he forget Hakeem was a first round exit every year until he won? Every legend is not going to succeed every SINGLE YEAR it’s literally impossible lol. Magic Johnson choked in the finals in one of the dumbest possible ways. Does it deny he was the clear cut leader throughout almost every chip he got? Hell no! MJ got the ball stolen from him the year he came back from retirement and lost to Shaq, does that nullify everything else HELL NO. Please bro get me on these shows and we really going to critically think about these moments cause people definitely mislabeling KD
Yeah LOL they even nicknamed Magic as Tragic Johnson 😂😂😂
Riv 30 Joel once again 😂😂😂
lol funny thing be if other ppl listen to this they woulda thought its stright beef and everyone bouttta fight. but if you know then you know its just sports debate lolll. although it almost gets to hands everytime but afterwards your drinking beers watching the game lol
If he was legendary he wouldnt had to join golden state. Using his golden state rings contradicts him ever being legendary.
joe harris shot 50 perecnt from 3 in the celtics series the year before
Can’t believe people are actually agreeing wit riv on this one🤦🏿♀️
He’s literally right lmao
@@reallysadweeb4454 no he's not casual 😂😂
Riv Went Rambo With The Facts And Gave Smoke Out 😂
Dude is clearly a hater lol 💯 the energy is crazy
😂😂facts
Lol easy to hate KD ain’t that dhde
The guy in the hoodie is the same guy who will say Steph has the most help for his 4 rings but praise KD as Jesus lmao.
You don't even know sports
@@flash980 aww someone is butthurt
This is excellent basketball doscussion.
Riv is the reaper on Pick A Side Podcast
Came all the way here from a clip on fb to tell you that you dikeatin KD is the best ever
Major dikeatin
Legends do legendary things. FMVP does not make you a legend. KD hasn’t changed the game, set a standard, broke a record, rewritten a rule....is not a legend, but he is a great player!
He did set a standard every tall dude who can iso gets called the standard.
@@kendrelc5977 check your history. B-ball was ALL Iso, that’s why it was standard. Like the 3pt shot. It was there but it was used more as a game winner and not a regular part of the offense. Steph and the warriors changed the game. KD is a great player, but he is not a legend…yet.
@@jenjay0167 not for 7 footers
@@kendrelc5977 7 footers played back to the basket. He’s really I think he’s great and he will start the season with a chip on his shoulder. If the core 3 can stay healthy, engaged and on the court they can do great things. I just don’t believe he’s a legend 1 person 1 opinion.
This main gym lobby vibes 😭😭😭😭
Steph is a legendary playoff
Performer
I’m kind of riding with Joel here, every great player has bad stretches bad series bad moments, KD is legendary in the playoffs, the shot vs Cleveland, “you know who I am” game, going toe to toe with the heat @23 and that whole playoffs, the bucks series is crazy in itself 48 mins, and foot on the line. He’s got it
Them boys get swept and people just forget 🤦🏾♂️ the disrespect is crazy. Niqqas trippin
The hate for KD is Crazy
What he say that was wrong?? Lol accept it. Fact don’t care about your feelings. KD is not that dude
@@liamcephus9687 explain to us why he's not that dude? And if you telling me he's a choker.. Dude is literally one of the most efficient volume scorer in the league.
@@liamcephus9687 he used the Memphis and spurs series to discredit him not being that “Guy” but the those teams were better than his and in the Memphis series his second best player was out
@@blentoot9639 because without GSW that most efficient shooter shit wasn't there when it matterd
@@jacobmireles7024 huh? So if KD goes 13/16 shooting and missed the 3 consecutive shots or game winner he's now a choker and 'wasn't there when it mattered'?? LOL this kind of logic doesn't make any sense.
KD joined a 73-9 team that embarrassed him, he is forever dismissed from any legendary conversation
riv was in his bag on this one no cap
no reason to get that heated but i can see why he gets heated
Dude think cause He yelling he right lol
OH GO OFF BRO 😂
This clip made a fan
KEVIN DURANT IS DEFINITELY LEGENDARY , (ASK THE LEGENDS) , FUNNY ARGUMENT THO..
Nah everyone knows he’s a fraud he’s a bus rider not a bus driver
@@The_king567
"fRaUd" WORDS LIKE THAT IS WHEN YOU KNOW YOU CANT HAVE REAL HOOP CONVERSATIONS WITH PPL , I HOOP AND PPL WHO ACTUALLY PLAYED IN THE LEAGUE GIVE KD HIS RESPECT , ONE WAS "KOBE" , NOT ARGUING WITH AVERAGE JOES BOUT BASKETBALL WHEN "REAL" LEGENDS KNOW KD IS AMAZING..
@@jwalls1223 the truth hurts stop overrating that idiot Durant he wasn’t won without Steph and will never win again he’s a fraud and always will be he can’t lead a team to anything
@@jwalls1223 Tell that to Shaq and Charles Barkley
@@abdulrahamanawudu2096
ASK KD PEERS..
He killed KD for getting 48 points and missing game winning shot but not Steph for getting less points too😭agenda
Riv be taking these arguments too seriously
Giannis Finals performance and him vs the nets that series was examples of recent legendary moments
The only thing bad KD really has on resume is the 3-1 every other time he has lost it’s either the other team was better or his team isn’t healthy I hate every other great player gets that notice from fans/casuals
And in the Celtics case last they had an amazing defensive scheme with bodies that bothered KD cause of his strength including the nets not really being a good defensive unit in its self
@@michaelpatterson3084 and Curry dominated that same team. Giannis killed that same team. Both went off against Celtics still. It isn’t that he lost to the Celtics, he got swept and played like garbage. KD isn’t that guy.
@@johnhancock1362 I agree he didn’t play up to his standard but I hate how y’all quick to put ppl like Jason Tatum, luka, and jokic over him when they haven’t done nearly as much as him Because the NETS got swept y’all act that nets was just that good soon as went down in the beginning of the season it went to sht as fans yall never admit that
"the other team is better" what kind of excuse is that?
@@michaelpatterson3084 Luka plays at one of the highest levels in the playoffs ever and Jokic is back to back mvp bro. I definitely wouldn’t put Tatum over Kd. I would probably have KD right now slightly over Jokic but luka slightly ahead of KD right now.
kd top 10 easy. Crazy hot take saying a 7 foot guard that’s averages 30,7,6 with 2 finals mvp and 2 chips and a mvp
Kd is not a top ten player of all time
Lmao Kevin Durant responded