I repair valve/tube amplifiers for a living and my rule is as follows... 1. Eyes most 2. Hands least 3. Tongue not at all It's nice to see someone have a good look at a unit before just switching on. Really enjoying your videos. Dr. Watts. Senior service engineer for Marshall Amplification.
Thanks Dr. Watts, I try to be as thorough as I can when I work through them, I just hate fixing one problem halfway down the line, I'd rather start at the beginning and figure out what we're dealing with, other than assume the obvious problem is the only problem :)
This channel satisfies the little kid in me I use to be that would take my sisters transistor radio apart is an attempt to understand how it worked. Never understood it but, always found circuit boards aesthetically pleasing. Good job; nothing beats a win.
This takes me back to circa 1975 when I was repairing similar video games for 2 friends who ran a small electronics business, they were “ wizards “ I was just good at building and soldering boards, Williams Defender was one of my faves
Yeah this phosphor burn is why "screensavers" existed until LCD displays started taking over. They still exist in Windows today, but don't have much use unless you have an OLED display. Power Management has mostly taken over from it.
I'm not positive, but weren't screen burn-in an actual re-occouring service call event for arcade machines? Like a popular one running for a few years would need a new tube like a car needs a tune up? Dependant on the game's screen layout changing during play of course, and player griping.
Recently came across this channel, (and subbed, obviously) it's great to see someone working on these machines that is actually knowledgable and not just winging it :)
Wow, looks like the previous dude half tore the chip out with a pliers and a soldering gun! Pads gone, blackened pcb, traces peeled off; Wrong tools or big rush. Great job on resurrecting from that damage!
The suicidal CPU opponents on the 2600 version inspired me to play by alternate rules: The first to get 5 points LOSES! This was my favorite way to play solo or with humans. Some game variations allowed you to command two castles, so you could do some interesting ricochet shots to help damage both of your castles. And even when you did successfully blow yourself up, you could still control invisible ghosts to tweak the ball trajectory, which was sort of an Easter egg that you could capitalize on. Try it out the next time you play!
While playing solo, it can be tricky to "win" this way untied, as you have to ensure that each of the 3 CPU opponents finishes at least one round as the last king standing before one does it 5 times. The lower left green CPU often dies early.
One thing I keep seeing, you got to have a good temp. controlled soldering iron, and set it as low as you can while getting good joints. When I see boards with the traces peeled up, I know someone got them too hot. And use some good solder like some old Chemoloy or such, never use that dam lead free crap.
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Yeah I'm the same way, I love the good ol days but time marches on and we have to embrace the now... the internet is a great thing and a horrible thing at the same time, I take the good and leave the bad :) TH-cam is an amazing thing, it's completely changing the world for the better.
Paint brushes aside, another good thing to clean dust are "acid brushes" a dollar buys a dozen and they are in the plumbing isle of a hardware store. They are smaller and are used to apply PVC welder. You can even cut them down to make them a scrub brush to use with isopropyl.
@@LyonsArcade I use them for my mechanical keyboards and cleaning mobos. They are lil tin sheet tubes with black plastic bristles. I have not had any ESD issues out of them, but if you are worried a gator clip jumper ground should work.
That's awesome, I never played it back in the day but I can see where it'd be really fun. I filmed a separate video showing it all off and playing it.....
I wish we (the Brits) had your "can do" attitude. it seems to be a american thing but i know in the UK if a tech looked at that board he would say "its screwed, can't do anything, try and buy a board on ebay" subscribed I have a tabletop 1979 space firebird machine and tabletop 1981 Galaga machine with all original boards. I have no clue what i would do if something went wrong with em.
I am British I patch board like that. Even make a piggy back board to plug in. I have worked in shop an been told to say it is E Fed but I always just fixed it
@@JohnGotts Thanks John will do. I have owned my machines since 1984 (bought direct from Taito) and they have no frankenstein boards or wiring. i really need someone who knows this technology like Joe in these video's. My machines have not had a lot of wear and the monitors are clear of burn. I will likely sell them when i retire in about 4 years and downsize to a smaller house. no clue what they are even worth.
The UK scene for this stuff is huge? I'd suggest going to a local retro convention and you'll run into hundreds of brits who are doing exactly this kind of thing.
You just got yourself a new subscriber. I've watched a few of your videos and quite enjoy watching you repair these vintage arcade boards, very interesting watching you work from beginning to end to solve problems, reading schematics and testing, etc. Even crazy messed-up previous repair attempts like these. Keep up the good work and I'll get to watching the rest of your videos!
Sorry ron i had to laugh over the spider web of destruction on the pcb, i always love your work though , good job on the board ,some people are just not ment to touch boards they make more of a mess and leave it for the next guy to try and figure out i would have been pulling out my hair on that one ,what a mess , you are a magician 👍😁
Whoa, that's a pretty sweet game, going to fire that up over the weekend and play with the kids! Loving your repair videos, always nice to see a true craftsman do their thing.
Well, if repairing a normal board wasn't difficult enough here you are a booby-trapped one. Great job . A pleasure to watch how you solved all issues. It would be interesing to see you repairing one of those "Polybius" machines...
I freakin' loved this game. It was perfect for the cocktail cabinet format. I even tried to write a version for my Sinclair ZX81, but discovered that like sex, it's not really the same doing it on your own.
A high-school friend of mine learned Atari 8-bit assembly language and wrote a game that was more or less a 2-player Warlords as a science-fair project. Pretty slick.
My favorite memory of the 2600 was four player warlords with paddle controllers (the losers would get dead armed by the remaining players), had no idea there was ever an arcade unit of the game.
@@LyonsArcade So odd that the cocktail and the upright had completely different monitors. I wonder if it was because the B/W monitor with overlay worked better with the mirror setup in the upright.
You need a Hakko desolating gun. I finally bit the bullet and bought one a year or so a go and I regretted not doing it years sooner! What a difference! They’re not Jeep but they are so worth it. You’ll never want to see one of those spring loader solder suckers ever again!
I tried one a few months back and couldn't get the hang of it, it was always clogged and burnt up traces so I don't know what I was doing wrong but it was useless to me....
Wow thats weird. I had the opposite. The sucker bulb soldering irons and those spring loaded suckers drove me crazy and I’d ruin traces. So I folded and got the hakko and I was blown away how great it worked. I was pulling 68000’s out of commodore amigas in a couple minutes. It worked so good it was fun!
Great job, re-doing all those traces was a labour of love! Too fiddly for me, I'll stick to jukeboxes haha. Regarding that sensing circuit on the power supply, the bypass mod seems like a safer idea. What if the 5 volt line to the game board is fine, but the sense line back to the regulator had some resistance, due to a dirty edge connector or something? Presumably that could cause the power supply to ramp up the voltage to over 5 volts into the game board, potentially doing all kinds of damage! Better to have not enough voltage getting to it than too much... :)
Yup that's exactly what happens... sometimes it draws current back through the sense line too and burns up the resistors on the power supply (which I guess is a fail safe for that problem)
Great job! Nice video and awesome game. I was 20 in the '80 when this came out. I remember it. You do good investigation. That was impressive. I have subscribed. All good wishes for 2020, Sir!
Excited to see a Warlords Cocktail video by you Ron! Just the fact that you have a video of it means by default that it will end up fixed, as you have stated several times that you don't post videos if you can't fix it LOL. But yeah - that board was messed up! ... I would bet that most people probably wouldn't have been able to figure that one out - This is why you guys are in business! When you play, you need to hold down that button to "catch" the fireball ... You can then release the button with your shield in a different position so that you can send that fireball where you want it to go! Don't hold the button down for too long though - holding the fireball will slowly damage your own castle. Lastly - The upright Warlords arcade game still had four castles, but only two are playable by people - the top two were always played by the computer ... as a result, the upright is not as desirable as the cocktail - The upright did however, have the funky - reflected mirror 3D effect Atari used in Asteroids Deluxe. :)
I'd love to get one of those uprights in, even though they're not as desirable I'd never have 4 people around to play at the same time anyways :) Plus it'd be fun to film a video about.... we did make another video of this Warlords Cocktail where we play it and check out the 2600 version too, we'll upload that soon :)
@@LyonsArcade The 2600 version had another interesting feature. :) Each time a brick was destroyed, the screen would flash ... If you look carefully, in each flash you could see the outline of your previously defeated opponent's shield and castle. You could then bounce the fireball off of the invisible shield to trick your remaining opponents. I know it sounds crazy, but i remember this as a kid! Warlords was a great game - and one of the only designed by a woman back in the day. :) Anyway, keep up with the videos Ron - They are always enjoyable. :)
many years ago when i was a lad, i was given a non working paperboy, no one would even look at it, but now i wish i had it as a project as i know a lot more now 35 years on.. great video btw.
Man...and I thought watching Steve eat rotten MRE’s from WWII was awesome. And the addicting thrill of My Mechanics turning vintage, rusted garbage into perfectly restored museum pieces is always satisfying. But my GOD, seeing Joe’s breathe life back into these legendary monuments to my childhood is a stratum of gratification I can’t even begin to describe! It’s the epitome of nerd porn. Geek heroin. Dweeb meth. It makes me want to turn the spare bedroom into a game room lined with his arcade machines. Who needs guests anyway when you can have your own Gorf & Bubbles cabinets? Plus, they’re only one state away and not as expensive as I thought. Finding this channel might be dangerous for me! 😳
I lived in Boise in the 70s and early 80s. Played this and many others back in the day. I still remember the pizza place had Death Race 2000, Sea Wolf, Carnival, and a Phoenix cocktail. I even remember if you built up static electricity and touched the coin door on Carnival, you got a free game. I wondered if the owner ever figured out why it was played all the time, but little money collected.
Great job! Yeah I remember me and my brother and my cousins playing this at a milk bar in Chifley Canberra Australia for 40 cents a game. No 20 cent coins were safe from our keen eyes.
I think over here they call that an Ice Cream shop, did it cost 20 cents per player? You know if you think about it there weren't that many games out at the time that allowed you to beat your opponent each game.... so you'd (as an operator) make twice as much money if people kept challenging each other. Pretty brilliant business plan, LOL Thank you for watching X Gen we appreciate it, see you next video!
@@LyonsArcade I think it was 2x 20 cent slots like a lot of the games at the time. There was a Space Invaders cabinet and a pinball machine at the back. Yeah it wasn't until much later that the cost of playing went from 40 cents a game to a dollar! A buck was big money for a young kid then lol. With the unthinkable madness of 2 dollars per game that followed shortly after that. Though by that time arcade games were hitting their peak. Highly interesting videos as always. Cheers mate.
@@patrickglaser1560 Ya call that a knife? ..This is a knife! That's not a knife, that's a spoon. Alright alright you win. Hah I see you've played knifey spoony before.
@@patrickglaser1560 haha. Yeah maybe they were drunk on their own product when they came up with those names. I knew about our wine exports. But the Bundy soft root beer that's a new one for me. Actually I'm not really a big beer drinker. I'll drink it and buy it for others in a social setting. But if I want to enjoy what I'm drinking then I turn to straight Jack Daniels or Black Douglas.
PFWR is the read/write toggle signal for the ram. Can't have the processor and ram chips driving the data lines at the same time, or you end up with a bunch of E's on the screen. Looks like an awesome game. I don't remember ever seeing it in the arcades.
I played this at one of the Classic Gaming Expos in Las Vegas. 2012 I think it was. Some games were just normal, but then later games turned "Vegas". $1 got you a seat, 4 players, winner takes all :-)
That was some uuiuuuugly bodgery you ripped out there! Now personally, I’m the sort to make up a custom little daughter board to fix such issues but you did a great job.
@@LyonsArcade You could also go through the painstaking process of using a through hole repair kit and copper tape to make new traces, but you pretty much need the patience of a saint to do that sort of repair. It's probably something I'd try as a personal pet project just to make an old board look more original, but certainly wouldn't offer it to a customer unless they had more money than sense to get it done.
Our local arcade had one as a kid. No one really liked it that much, but when all the other games had someone playing, it was nice cause 4 people could play without crowding each other. This was also in tennessee, but not nashville.
I don't know if anyone has had the same idea yet, but modding out the sense circuit seems to name itself: The Senseless Mod! That being said, I completely understand it could be necessary or beneficial to perform the mod.
Nice job. It's a great game too - important to keep these great old games going. :) I think the upright version is up for 1 or 2 players though - the cocktail is definitely the best version. Only played the 2600 version of this. There is a Pong variant called Quadrapong for 4 players where each player guards their own goal - that's probably the predecessor of Warlords.
Nice save! Looks like the last guy needed a temperature controlled iron and some flux. If you want to get close to this game at home, "Medieval Mayhem" is an excellent homebrew port on the Atari 2600, big hit at parties.
2:30 - made me think of Jeff Foxworthy... "What we gonna do is: Saw the top o' yor head off, root around in there with a stick, and see if we can't find that dadburned clot."
The fuse probably was taken out by the bulbs when one of them went out. Often those sort of bulbs fail with a nice flash of plasma inside which takes out the fuse, thus protecting the PSU. I personally would not do the Sense Mod, reason for that is it is part of the regulation and if the edge connector is dirty, causing voltage issues, it could cause issues elsewhere with the bad connections. Just my personal opinion :) I figure it's better just to get all the connections clean and solid so it works as Atari intended.
Great vid. There appeared to be some issues with focus and lighting during closeup shots e.g. could not read the close up of he schematic, burnt component. A downloadable copy of the schematic to follow along would be useful. Thanks for sharing this repair. 👍👍👍👍👍
@@LyonsArcade Thank you, I can't understand why I've not come across your channel before now. Any how, I'm now a fully signed up subscriber and looking forward to the next vid 👍👍👍
Man, what did they replace the RAM with? A 140W soldering gun and a big pair of pliers? When working with valuable boards, it's worth the couple hundred dollars for some decent soldering equipment vs ruining the traces.
I wonder why they went to such effort to ensure the board was getting a precise +5V via a feedback sense line, it seems more like something you'd find in instrumentation/medical. Something to do with the analog control inputs using V+ as a reference rail for R-C timing and it being easier/cheaper to do it on the power supply rather than having a separate reference on the board maybe? 1980 seems well into the standard TTL/CMOS era where the logic V+ tolerances were at least 10%, not like 70s LSI where you might need weird and very specific voltages.
The ram seem to be the problem, if the voltage dips below 4.8 or so you start seeing glitches on the screen. Still it was kind of overdesigned a little bit I think. thank you for watching Treeline!
Warlords is one of my all time favorite games. I would love to find a cocktail. The only way I'll be able to get close to getting one without paying a fortune, is if I make my own using an Atari 800 computer and The Homebrew game castle crisis
Nice vid! BTW RW means READ/WRITE. It is a RAM chip, so you can read and also write ;) I think order usually tells about high/low voltage (that way you select the operation type).
Wow. Great job sorting out that mostrosity! o_O I somehow haven't ever come across this game before, despite spending large chunks of the 80's in arcades. it looks like it would be a wonderfully frantic 4 player experience! :D
Yeah it's pretty wild as a one player, with 4 players playing it (and a quarter on the line!) it must have been something.... Thanks for watching, as usual Marty!
yikes yea got to be careful with old boards, easy to lift traces. 38:50 I'm sure you know but it's good to remember: if the board has multiple of same chip that are socketed and it's suspected either one of them are bad or their sockets/traces are bad.. swap them around. if the problem changes then it's the chips, if it doesn't then it's (more likely) the board. 55:10 wha.. hey those are my initials 😀
nice ukvac find though! if next time you want to nerd it up there's always ICTs like Fluke 9010 or this thing www.zzzaccaria.com/arcade/ArduinoMegaICT.htm ..the original sw on that only supported specific games but there's general purpose USB communication thingy also that you can use to talk to anything that a CPU has on the bus, all that's needed is the memory map (mame's the best source for those, better than the manual often)
@@LyonsArcade oop youtube didn't notify of the comment .. well I hope it's not my hand in the video but who knows, might be getting early alzheimers :)
to get 'proper video' you'd have to watch somebody else, haha! We've done soldering videos a little bit in the past but I try to just do things on the channel that are unique and stuff you don't see too often anymore, there's a bunch of soldering videos out there already :) Thank you for watching Ryan, see you on the next one!
I repair valve/tube amplifiers for a living and my rule is as follows...
1. Eyes most
2. Hands least
3. Tongue not at all
It's nice to see someone have a good look at a unit before just switching on.
Really enjoying your videos.
Dr. Watts.
Senior service engineer for Marshall Amplification.
Thanks Dr. Watts, I try to be as thorough as I can when I work through them, I just hate fixing one problem halfway down the line, I'd rather start at the beginning and figure out what we're dealing with, other than assume the obvious problem is the only problem :)
These are good and sensible protocols for working on things with tubes in them, the voltages in there are quite unhappy to meet you.
This channel satisfies the little kid in me I use to be that would take my sisters transistor radio apart is an attempt to understand how it worked. Never understood it but, always found circuit boards aesthetically pleasing. Good job; nothing beats a win.
Thank you JustJoe, we appreciate you watching!!!
This takes me back to circa 1975 when I was repairing similar video games for 2 friends who ran a small electronics business, they were “ wizards “ I was just good at building and soldering boards, Williams Defender was one of my faves
Very cool Dale, yes Defender was a great game so damn hard though I can't get anywhere on it! I need more practice.
21:10 That monitor has a crazy amount of burn-in. You can see the game without the board even being connected.
All the older ones always did.
That's actually not bad. I've seen many that were burnt totally black in the pattern of the game graphics.
Yeah this phosphor burn is why "screensavers" existed until LCD displays started taking over. They still exist in Windows today, but don't have much use unless you have an OLED display. Power Management has mostly taken over from it.
I'm not positive, but weren't screen burn-in an actual re-occouring service call event for arcade machines? Like a popular one running for a few years would need a new tube like a car needs a tune up? Dependant on the game's screen layout changing during play of course, and player griping.
sl9sl9 we know.
Impressive job! Few things are worse than having to work on something somebody else has already 'worked' on.
Yeah we were able to get it though :) Alls well that ends well :)
Recently came across this channel, (and subbed, obviously) it's great to see someone working on these machines that is actually knowledgable and not just winging it :)
Oh I'm winging it but we get there, LOL
Joe's Classic Video Games but you wing it the right way
I like the fact that you have credit for the recent connector replacement. Giving credit where it is due. Respect👍🏻
Thank you RUFIORUFIO!
Wow, looks like the previous dude half tore the chip out with a pliers and a soldering gun! Pads gone, blackened pcb, traces peeled off; Wrong tools or big rush. Great job on resurrecting from that damage!
Thanks Chris, we appreciate it! See you on the next video...
The suicidal CPU opponents on the 2600 version inspired me to play by alternate rules: The first to get 5 points LOSES!
This was my favorite way to play solo or with humans. Some game variations allowed you to command two castles, so you could do some interesting ricochet shots to help damage both of your castles. And even when you did successfully blow yourself up, you could still control invisible ghosts to tweak the ball trajectory, which was sort of an Easter egg that you could capitalize on.
Try it out the next time you play!
I'll try that David, good idea!
While playing solo, it can be tricky to "win" this way untied, as you have to ensure that each of the 3 CPU opponents finishes at least one round as the last king standing before one does it 5 times. The lower left green CPU often dies early.
"What did they do" indeed... Good job on getting all that mess cleaned up, I don't know if I would have the patience to deal with sth like that.
It's kind of one of those ones where if I don't fix it nobody's going to fix it so why not try?
@@LyonsArcade That is the spirit!
One thing I keep seeing, you got to have a good temp. controlled soldering iron, and set it as low as you can while getting good joints. When I see boards with the traces peeled up, I know someone got them too hot. And use some good solder like some old Chemoloy or such, never use that dam lead free crap.
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I remember even after I had a SNES I would still ask my uncle to hook up his Atari so we could play Warlords 4 players with my cousins.
Very cool, it was definitely one of the coolest Atari 2600 games!
I don't know what's more satisfying watching your excellent video repairs, or watching your subscribers go up and views per video, top quality mate.
I miss the good old days but I sure love the convenience of the internet for a DIYer and experts a like. Excellent job as always.
Yeah I'm the same way, I love the good ol days but time marches on and we have to embrace the now... the internet is a great thing and a horrible thing at the same time, I take the good and leave the bad :) TH-cam is an amazing thing, it's completely changing the world for the better.
That game looks fun to play
It really is Steven!
Paint brushes aside, another good thing to clean dust are "acid brushes" a dollar buys a dozen and they are in the plumbing isle of a hardware store. They are smaller and are used to apply PVC welder. You can even cut them down to make them a scrub brush to use with isopropyl.
I'm gonna check that out, I go to the hardware store every couple days :)
@@LyonsArcade I use them for my mechanical keyboards and cleaning mobos. They are lil tin sheet tubes with black plastic bristles. I have not had any ESD issues out of them, but if you are worried a gator clip jumper ground should work.
Never seen it in uk but look cool to play .😀 did great job fixing it
Thank you David I appreciate that!
Warlords was a great game! Had alot of good times playing against my friends.
That's awesome, I never played it back in the day but I can see where it'd be really fun. I filmed a separate video showing it all off and playing it.....
Joe thanks for saving those Awesome video games & kindly posting them for all of us to enjoy!!
Thanks for watching Adam, we appreciate it!
Great saving that board ! Wow , what a mess when you showed all the wires and jumpers .. holy moly ! Nice work !
Thanks OneFoYo! We appreciate it.
I wish we (the Brits) had your "can do" attitude. it seems to be a american thing but i know in the UK if a tech looked at that board he would say "its screwed, can't do anything, try and buy a board on ebay" subscribed I have a tabletop 1979 space firebird machine and tabletop 1981 Galaga machine with all original boards. I have no clue what i would do if something went wrong with em.
You'll have to fix them yourself if something happens, you can do it as easy as I can :) Us Americans are just former British subjects anyways, LOL
Look into GadgetUK164. He's good, repairs mainboards, and is located in England.
I am British I patch board like that. Even make a piggy back board to plug in. I have worked in shop an been told to say it is E Fed but I always just fixed it
@@JohnGotts Thanks John will do. I have owned my machines since 1984 (bought direct from Taito) and they have no frankenstein boards or wiring. i really need someone who knows this technology like Joe in these video's. My machines have not had a lot of wear and the monitors are clear of burn. I will likely sell them when i retire in about 4 years and downsize to a smaller house. no clue what they are even worth.
The UK scene for this stuff is huge? I'd suggest going to a local retro convention and you'll run into hundreds of brits who are doing exactly this kind of thing.
So cool! I grew up with a hand me down 2600 when my older brother got his NES but never saw or heard of this game
It's a real classic, we get it in all the time for the 2600 (we have a video game store).
You just got yourself a new subscriber. I've watched a few of your videos and quite enjoy watching you repair these vintage arcade boards, very interesting watching you work from beginning to end to solve problems, reading schematics and testing, etc. Even crazy messed-up previous repair attempts like these. Keep up the good work and I'll get to watching the rest of your videos!
Thank you Samuel, we appreciate you checking us out! Yeah we try to show the logic behind what we're thinking at least :)
Sorry ron i had to laugh over the spider web of destruction on the pcb, i always love your work though , good job on the board ,some people are just not ment to touch boards they make more of a mess and leave it for the next guy to try and figure out i would have been pulling out my hair on that one ,what a mess , you are a magician 👍😁
Thanks 43 I appreciate you watching man, yeah it was a huge mess but we got it! All's well that end's well :)
Whoa, that's a pretty sweet game, going to fire that up over the weekend and play with the kids! Loving your repair videos, always nice to see a true craftsman do their thing.
Thanks for the nice words, yes it's a very fun game check it out!
You, sir, are a wizard. You have the most powerful magics. :D
Nice fix, I bet that was one happy customer.
Love a good trouble-shoot and repair, nicely done!
Thanks Dr. Scientist for watching!
Well, if repairing a normal board wasn't difficult enough here you are a booby-trapped one. Great job . A pleasure to watch how you solved all issues. It would be interesing to see you repairing one of those "Polybius" machines...
Ha I haven't found a Polybius yet, but Todd Tuckey has one!
Nice to see arcades being saved like this I can just imagine how many could've been fixed
Lots of the cabinets got destroyed over the years, but there's still a bunch around here and there!
@@LyonsArcade yes! and glad to see you can keep them going
I can only imagine how many hours were invested to bring this old game to life. Great job and thanks for sharing :)
It wasn't too bad :) Thanks for watching!
I freakin' loved this game. It was perfect for the cocktail cabinet format. I even tried to write a version for my Sinclair ZX81, but discovered that like sex, it's not really the same doing it on your own.
Ain't that the truth!
A high-school friend of mine learned Atari 8-bit assembly language and wrote a game that was more or less a 2-player Warlords as a science-fair project. Pretty slick.
My favorite memory of the 2600 was four player warlords with paddle controllers (the losers would get dead armed by the remaining players), had no idea there was ever an arcade unit of the game.
There's also an upright version that's black and white, but has an overlay making it color.... very strange way to design it but it's pretty cool :)
@@LyonsArcade So odd that the cocktail and the upright had completely different monitors. I wonder if it was because the B/W monitor with overlay worked better with the mirror setup in the upright.
I miss this game - Thank you for the work you do!
Thanks for watching, John!
You need a Hakko desolating gun. I finally bit the bullet and bought one a year or so a go and I regretted not doing it years sooner! What a difference! They’re not Jeep but they are so worth it. You’ll never want to see one of those spring loader solder suckers ever again!
I tried one a few months back and couldn't get the hang of it, it was always clogged and burnt up traces so I don't know what I was doing wrong but it was useless to me....
Wow thats weird. I had the opposite. The sucker bulb soldering irons and those spring loaded suckers drove me crazy and I’d ruin traces. So I folded and got the hakko and I was blown away how great it worked. I was pulling 68000’s out of commodore amigas in a couple minutes. It worked so good it was fun!
Thanks for the memories. I remember playing this at the local pizza shop when I was a kid.
Thanks for watching Keith, I never got to play it back in the day.
Great job, re-doing all those traces was a labour of love! Too fiddly for me, I'll stick to jukeboxes haha.
Regarding that sensing circuit on the power supply, the bypass mod seems like a safer idea. What if the 5 volt line to the game board is fine, but the sense line back to the regulator had some resistance, due to a dirty edge connector or something? Presumably that could cause the power supply to ramp up the voltage to over 5 volts into the game board, potentially doing all kinds of damage! Better to have not enough voltage getting to it than too much... :)
Yup that's exactly what happens... sometimes it draws current back through the sense line too and burns up the resistors on the power supply (which I guess is a fail safe for that problem)
Such a great game. Your videos are exceptionally fun to watch especially for those of who crew up at the heights of the video game parlor. Thanks!
Thank you Pat, glad to have you watching and subscribed!
Great job! Nice video and awesome game. I was 20 in the '80 when this came out. I remember it. You do good investigation. That was impressive. I have subscribed. All good wishes for 2020, Sir!
Thanks Anton, we appreciate the kind words and you checking out our videos. See you on the next one!
Excited to see a Warlords Cocktail video by you Ron! Just the fact that you have a video of it means by default that it will end up fixed, as you have stated several times that you don't post videos if you can't fix it LOL. But yeah - that board was messed up! ... I would bet that most people probably wouldn't have been able to figure that one out - This is why you guys are in business! When you play, you need to hold down that button to "catch" the fireball ... You can then release the button with your shield in a different position so that you can send that fireball where you want it to go! Don't hold the button down for too long though - holding the fireball will slowly damage your own castle. Lastly - The upright Warlords arcade game still had four castles, but only two are playable by people - the top two were always played by the computer ... as a result, the upright is not as desirable as the cocktail - The upright did however, have the funky - reflected mirror 3D effect Atari used in Asteroids Deluxe. :)
I'd love to get one of those uprights in, even though they're not as desirable I'd never have 4 people around to play at the same time anyways :) Plus it'd be fun to film a video about.... we did make another video of this Warlords Cocktail where we play it and check out the 2600 version too, we'll upload that soon :)
@@LyonsArcade The 2600 version had another interesting feature. :) Each time a brick was destroyed, the screen would flash ... If you look carefully, in each flash you could see the outline of your previously defeated opponent's shield and castle. You could then bounce the fireball off of the invisible shield to trick your remaining opponents. I know it sounds crazy, but i remember this as a kid! Warlords was a great game - and one of the only designed by a woman back in the day. :) Anyway, keep up with the videos Ron - They are always enjoyable. :)
many years ago when i was a lad, i was given a non working paperboy, no one would even look at it, but now i wish i had it as a project as i know a lot more now 35 years on.. great video btw.
don't feel bad, when I was younger I had an Asteroids cocktail I couldn't fix and sold to somebody broken!
@@LyonsArcade yes but I smashed the cabinet to bits, it's my favourite game, I think it left me traumatized 🤣🤣
This is awesome bro! Great work
Thanks Haze, we appreciate you watching... see you on the next one.....
Man...and I thought watching Steve eat rotten MRE’s from WWII was awesome. And the addicting thrill of My Mechanics turning vintage, rusted garbage into perfectly restored museum pieces is always satisfying. But my GOD, seeing Joe’s breathe life back into these legendary monuments to my childhood is a stratum of gratification I can’t even begin to describe! It’s the epitome of nerd porn. Geek heroin. Dweeb meth. It makes me want to turn the spare bedroom into a game room lined with his arcade machines. Who needs guests anyway when you can have your own Gorf & Bubbles cabinets? Plus, they’re only one state away and not as expensive as I thought. Finding this channel might be dangerous for me! 😳
Welcome Welcome! Glad you found us, see you on the next video soon :)
I lived in Boise in the 70s and early 80s. Played this and many others back in the day.
I still remember the pizza place had Death Race 2000, Sea Wolf, Carnival, and a Phoenix cocktail.
I even remember if you built up static electricity and touched the coin door on Carnival, you got a free game. I wondered if the owner ever figured out why it was played all the time, but little money collected.
They tried to put a circuit in some of the games to prevent that, somebody figured it out eventually I guess, lol Thanks for watching Mushroom!
Now that has gotta put a smile on your face !!
Yeah it's fun :)
Wow. Great job. Going to arcades since early 80s and I don't think I've ever even seen this game in coin-op.
Do you think your dad did any of this artwork?
@@LyonsArcade haha. No. A year before his time. His first games were Asteroids Deluxe and Red Baron.
Great job! Yeah I remember me and my brother and my cousins playing this at a milk bar in Chifley Canberra Australia for 40 cents a game. No 20 cent coins were safe from our keen eyes.
I think over here they call that an Ice Cream shop, did it cost 20 cents per player? You know if you think about it there weren't that many games out at the time that allowed you to beat your opponent each game.... so you'd (as an operator) make twice as much money if people kept challenging each other. Pretty brilliant business plan, LOL Thank you for watching X Gen we appreciate it, see you next video!
@@LyonsArcade I think it was 2x 20 cent slots like a lot of the games at the time. There was a Space Invaders cabinet and a pinball machine at the back. Yeah it wasn't until much later that the cost of playing went from 40 cents a game to a dollar! A buck was big money for a young kid then lol. With the unthinkable madness of 2 dollars per game that followed shortly after that. Though by that time arcade games were hitting their peak. Highly interesting videos as always. Cheers mate.
@@patrickglaser1560 Ya call that a knife? ..This is a knife!
That's not a knife, that's a spoon.
Alright alright you win. Hah I see you've played knifey spoony before.
@@patrickglaser1560 haha Tosses it straight back because no self respecting Aussie drinks Fosters. That's for the tourists :)
@@patrickglaser1560 haha. Yeah maybe they were drunk on their own product when they came up with those names. I knew about our wine exports. But the Bundy soft root beer that's a new one for me. Actually I'm not really a big beer drinker. I'll drink it and buy it for others in a social setting. But if I want to enjoy what I'm drinking then I turn to straight Jack Daniels or Black Douglas.
That was definitely a ton of work to get this warlords cocktail up and running again :D such a cool game
It takes a little while, but we got it!
Well done, congrats! That's a tough boardset to work on. You owe that guy on UK Vac a beer!
Yeah that really helped!
Alien facehugger on PCB confirmed.
It does look like that.....
Best video yet! Thanks AGAIN for making these videos. They are so helpful for learning this stuff!
Thanks Rob, glad you liked it!
PFWR is the read/write toggle signal for the ram. Can't have the processor and ram chips driving the data lines at the same time, or you end up with a bunch of E's on the screen. Looks like an awesome game. I don't remember ever seeing it in the arcades.
Thanks Dirk, yes I never saw it out in the wild either. It was a big deal on the Atari 2600 console, though.....
I've never seen this one til your vid, pretty cool, Liked
Awesome classic. I remember playing on the 2600 back in the day. Would love an original in my collection. Tough to beat the cool factor on this one.
Yeah it's about as cool as it gets. It's that rare old game that's super fun to play even if you're a modern gamer. Very cool cabinet too....
I've just stumbled apon your channel and are already loving it. I'm now going to work my way through the whole lot 👍. A massive hello from the UK 👋
Thanks Mike, we appreciate you checking us out! I don't know if it's possible to watch all of them, there's a BUNCH and I'm loquacious :)
@@LyonsArcade I'm slowly working my way back from the start, 9 years ago. Really enjoying your content 👍
That was awesome. You Sir have gained a new subscriber!
Thanks FreezerBurn, glad you enjoyed it!
God I miss this game
Me too, they picked it up last week :)
An excellent repair... If I was given that board, I would have written it off... WELL DONE!!! 10/10
OMG what a nightmare on that board haha! Great video and great job on this resurrection! Man Atari made beautiful cocktail games! Thanks! :)
Just realized you guys are in SC, I moved to Ladson last weekend.
Very cool, you're about two hours away then, maybe a little less. We're up in Rock Hill, just before you get to Charlotte!
Very nice video sir. You are a Wizard at repair. Thank you.
Thanks Dollar Bin Dude, we appreciate you watching!
yes !! thank you guys ,been waiting for this !! ;) x
Glad you found it Hope.... hope yall' are doing good over there :)
Nicely done! Great video.
Thanks Charles, we appreciate it!
I played this at one of the Classic Gaming Expos in Las Vegas. 2012 I think it was. Some games were just normal, but then later games turned "Vegas". $1 got you a seat, 4 players, winner takes all :-)
HIGH ROLLER ALERT, we got a HIGH ROLLER OVER HERE! :)
That was some uuiuuuugly bodgery you ripped out there!
Now personally, I’m the sort to make up a custom little daughter board to fix such issues but you did a great job.
Thank you Duncan! Yes a daughterboard would be a better solution but more time consuming to create!
@@LyonsArcade You could also go through the painstaking process of using a through hole repair kit and copper tape to make new traces, but you pretty much need the patience of a saint to do that sort of repair. It's probably something I'd try as a personal pet project just to make an old board look more original, but certainly wouldn't offer it to a customer unless they had more money than sense to get it done.
Great video again Joe
Thanks Crusaders! We appreciate you watching.
I’ve only ever seen one 4 player Warlords, and that was at Game Galaxy in TN.
I've never seen one besides this one we just fixed.... fairly hard to find!
Our local arcade had one as a kid. No one really liked it that much, but when all the other games had someone playing, it was nice cause 4 people could play without crowding each other. This was also in tennessee, but not nashville.
Warlords, so much fun. Neat repair video. I didn't get to play it back in the day. But, i played it at PRGE once and it's good.
Thanks viscountalpha, we appreciate you checking us out. Yes it's a blast to play!
Awesome! Really outstanding! Thanks
Thank you Aristeo, we appreciate you watching!
Nice fix. Looking forward to more videos in 2020!
More coming soon, thanks for watching!
I don't know if anyone has had the same idea yet, but modding out the sense circuit seems to name itself: The Senseless Mod! That being said, I completely understand it could be necessary or beneficial to perform the mod.
That's a good way of titling it, I never thought about that :) Thanks for watching Nel we appreciate it!
Nice job. It's a great game too - important to keep these great old games going. :) I think the upright version is up for 1 or 2 players though - the cocktail is definitely the best version. Only played the 2600 version of this. There is a Pong variant called Quadrapong for 4 players where each player guards their own goal - that's probably the predecessor of Warlords.
I'd love to get a quadrapong in :)
Nice save! Looks like the last guy needed a temperature controlled iron and some flux.
If you want to get close to this game at home, "Medieval Mayhem" is an excellent homebrew port on the Atari 2600, big hit at parties.
Somebody was asking about modern versions further down the comments!
2:30 - made me think of Jeff Foxworthy... "What we gonna do is: Saw the top o' yor head off, root around in there with a stick, and see if we can't find that dadburned clot."
I always liked old Jeff :)
15:30 ive just split beer everywhere
I forgot about that, haha Thanks for watching Jeff I owe you a beer
THANK YOU, FOR SHARING THIS INSIGHTFUL VIDEO!
Thank you Jimmy James!
Wow Atari made some great games, what an amazing cocktail, very jealous.
I'm going to upload the video I filmed of the gameplay and cabinet design!
The fuse probably was taken out by the bulbs when one of them went out. Often those sort of bulbs fail with a nice flash of plasma inside which takes out the fuse, thus protecting the PSU.
I personally would not do the Sense Mod, reason for that is it is part of the regulation and if the edge connector is dirty, causing voltage issues, it could cause issues elsewhere with the bad connections.
Just my personal opinion :) I figure it's better just to get all the connections clean and solid so it works as Atari intended.
That makes sense Brendan, like I mentioned people feel strongly both ways :) Thank you for watching, we appreciate your comments!
The phrase you were looking for at 13:40 was voltage feedback circuit..
Thank you DankNoodles420!
I remember this game! They had one in Holy Moley's donut shop.
What a name, LOL
Great vid. There appeared to be some issues with focus and lighting during closeup shots e.g. could not read the close up of he schematic, burnt component.
A downloadable copy of the schematic to follow along would be useful.
Thanks for sharing this repair.
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Thank you for watching ISO guy, I'll see if I can put some links to schematics up in some of the videos.
@@LyonsArcade Thank you, I can't understand why I've not come across your channel before now.
Any how, I'm now a fully signed up subscriber and looking forward to the next vid
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Outstanding work!
Thanks man, we appreciate it!
Those jumper cable work almost looks like my handy work 😅.
hey man at least you tried, no hate here :)
awsome arcade up there with the 4 player wizards of war and 4 player track infield cocktail
We've got a Wizard Of Wor coming up soon but it's the upright one.
I've never seen this game it looks like a lot of fun.
It's a really clever one, they had some nice little gems back in the day people have forgotten about.
Great uploads👍👍 i am a new suscriber & ENJOY these videos
Thanks👍😇
Thanks Jorge, we appreciate you watching us.... see you on the next video :)
Man, what did they replace the RAM with? A 140W soldering gun and a big pair of pliers? When working with valuable boards, it's worth the couple hundred dollars for some decent soldering equipment vs ruining the traces.
I think the guy was an electrician and he was trying to help his buddy out, this stuff is pretty delicate though!
Did the potentiometers end up working better after the contact cleaner, or did you have to replace them?
They worked pretty good after a little spray :) I filmed another video of us playing it but we haven't uploaded it yet.
@@LyonsArcade Cool. Keep up the good work. I enjoy watching these videos. Thanks for making them!
I wonder why they went to such effort to ensure the board was getting a precise +5V via a feedback sense line, it seems more like something you'd find in instrumentation/medical.
Something to do with the analog control inputs using V+ as a reference rail for R-C timing and it being easier/cheaper to do it on the power supply rather than having a separate reference on the board maybe? 1980 seems well into the standard TTL/CMOS era where the logic V+ tolerances were at least 10%, not like 70s LSI where you might need weird and very specific voltages.
The ram seem to be the problem, if the voltage dips below 4.8 or so you start seeing glitches on the screen. Still it was kind of overdesigned a little bit I think. thank you for watching Treeline!
Warlords is one of my all time favorite games. I would love to find a cocktail. The only way I'll be able to get close to getting one without paying a fortune, is if I make my own using an Atari 800 computer and The Homebrew game castle crisis
They are quite pricey :)
Nice vid! BTW RW means READ/WRITE. It is a RAM chip, so you can read and also write ;) I think order usually tells about high/low voltage (that way you select the operation type).
Thanks Entramut!
Joe's Classic Video Games I’m 200% certain you already knew that RAM thing. You’re doing an amazing job and I love your videos. I learn a lot. Thanks!
Wow. Great job sorting out that mostrosity! o_O
I somehow haven't ever come across this game before, despite spending large chunks of the 80's in arcades. it looks like it would be a wonderfully frantic 4 player experience! :D
Yeah it's pretty wild as a one player, with 4 players playing it (and a quarter on the line!) it must have been something.... Thanks for watching, as usual Marty!
第一次看到這種遊戲呢!修理的人好強啊,越舊的越難搞…
Thank you Mike for watching!
yikes yea got to be careful with old boards, easy to lift traces.
38:50 I'm sure you know but it's good to remember: if the board has multiple of same chip that are socketed and it's suspected either one of them are bad or their sockets/traces are bad.. swap them around. if the problem changes then it's the chips, if it doesn't then it's (more likely) the board.
55:10 wha.. hey those are my initials 😀
Did you play this one????? :)
nice ukvac find though! if next time you want to nerd it up there's always ICTs like Fluke 9010 or this thing www.zzzaccaria.com/arcade/ArduinoMegaICT.htm ..the original sw on that only supported specific games but there's general purpose USB communication thingy also that you can use to talk to anything that a CPU has on the bus, all that's needed is the memory map (mame's the best source for those, better than the manual often)
@@LyonsArcade oop youtube didn't notify of the comment .. well I hope it's not my hand in the video but who knows, might be getting early alzheimers :)
Nicely done!!
Thank you Matt, I appreciate you watching!
Well done
Thank you Ole we appreciate you watching!
What beach are you referring to in your videos?
Myrtle Beach. Our friend Adam runs Players Choice video games in the Myrtle Beach mall.
Great video! I wish you demonstrated some proper jumper soldering for us. ;)
to get 'proper video' you'd have to watch somebody else, haha! We've done soldering videos a little bit in the past but I try to just do things on the channel that are unique and stuff you don't see too often anymore, there's a bunch of soldering videos out there already :) Thank you for watching Ryan, see you on the next one!
Does that whole machine only play the one game?
yes sir, just that one! Pretty wild, huh?
This game looks incredibly fun
It's really well designed!
what are the blue bank of switches susposed to be set at looks like the soldering iron melted the one
Whoops :) Yes you can change the settings on the game with those switches, how many coins, what language, etc.