I really appreciate Adam being honest about films he didn't finish. If he doesn't give them a rating, and just leaves it at "Couldn't finish/10", I don't see any way people could be upset.
I don't see how people could get upset when he gave ratings. There isn't some ISO standard or international society of movie reviewers that mandate what numbers mean. It is a number scale to compare how you think about a movie. Adam's 6/10 is unique to him and our 6/10 probably doesn't match up with his.
And I would be perfectly fine with that "Didn't finish/10" since that's what I do a lot in my own reviews. We know that no one person can go through all of the movies in a major festival like Sundance, but it's interesting in his last video of the Best Picture nominees, a large majority he didn't finish and still gave them scores
@@TravisHouze because he decided to do this at a point where it would be unreasonable to go through and fully watch and articulate his thoughts on every film.
Holy shit, ok this video is 4hrs long, so maybe you didn't listen to all of it. But he explains why he still gives ratings, it's to keep his own record of what he has tried to watch and because it's his opinion based on what he saw. If he just gives it a "not finished/10", that does nothing to tell us how he feels about the parts of the movie he did watch and how he feels the score would be even if he did watch all of it. Like if you were to rate a meal that includes onions, but you really fucking hate onions, you won't even have to finish it and you would know that you can rate it 3/10 or something cause you know what you like and don't like.
is this really a controversy? homie was at a film festival with many movies and not a lot of time. If he's not feeling a movie and leaves, who cares? We all do this with netflix and shit. Even if he gives it a score, at least he's honest that he didn't finish it, and what he DID saw was the score. Because come on now.....some movies just fuckin suck
Wait I'm confused his context in this video is he doesn't review the movie. Are you saying he rated the movies in question and he is keeping that fact out of his convo with Destiny?
@@TheRobMr Did you pay attention? Adum said multiple times that he rates these films based on what he's seen. IMDB doesn't have a "did not finish" rating or anything, so he gives it a score to mark that he at least tried watching it. He said that if there was a way to mark the film as "watched" without a rating he would do that.
@@iamthewizardwhoknocks2845 it spread outside of twitter and thats what makes it a controversy. Still a dumb one on the side of people getting upset. YMS really did nothing wrong here.
HE SAID A MOVIE I LIKE WASNT GOOD WITHOUT FINISHING IT!!! youre not allowed to have opinions on a movie if you dont finish it, even if you're only commenting on the part you saw.
@@barzontus I highly doubt that's the case, considering the first backlash came from the film festival review. You know, the one that's filled with movies that most of these people will never look for once they're released too. Heck, I'm willing to wager that the majority of the people throwing a fit are those who only read some second-hand tweet.
@@verbatim7508 he’s done it before, this isn’t new for him, just don’t watch his channel if it bothers you this much that he *might* give a partial review to a movie no one gives a shit about
I wanna take a crack at this, because this is a pretty interesting discussion.: 4 years ago, IGN and other game review sites got fuckin’ raked over the coals for not finishing games before writing and publishing their articles. It’s kind of analogous to this in a way. The core of what this ‘controversy’ _is_ “what is the purpose of a movie critic?” Personally, I believe the purpose is to inform the consumer whether a movie is worth their time or money. Now, video games and movies are two very different forms of media, games are interactive by nature, movies are a more detached medium. Both however, rely on consumers to generate their revenue, and I think the concept people take umbrage with is incomplete information. People who watch Adam for both his insight AND his style of humor may get a little frustrated when they don’t have the comprehensive information to discern whether a given movie is worth their time and/or money, and it’s completely understandable. A movie could get completely flipped on its head and recontextualized halfway through and he may have missed it when he decided to leave the theatre. I acknowledge and respect his honesty in him disclosing when he does this. Personally I think he should leave incomplete reviews out and buy or rent a movie that couldn’t hold his interest to revisit an incomplete work of his.
This should go down in history as the most pointless debate in history. I’m not really sure what a lot of people were fighting for, because I’m pretty sure the loudest voices don’t watch Adum or at least don’t rate his opinion… so what difference does it make if he finishes the movie or not? That just reinforms their perception of him as a critic they already don’t rate…
@@realianwhite Hey, man, I gave this video a 5/10. That's just me being consistent in my review criticism process or something. Because that's what all the top-tier TH-cam critics are doing, right?
13:51 That is why MAL is better than IMDB, as a media database. When adding an databasse entry to your (public or private) list, you can set two parameters. One is the watch status [Watching, Completed, On-Hold, Dropped, Plan to Watch] and the other is the score [1-10]. That way people don't need to recommend movies to you that you have tried to watch already and it is completely transparent that you did to everyone looking up your list.
Makes sense that it would be structured liked that. That’s not how IMDb is organized because the notion of updating your IMDb WHILE watching a movie is bizarre, and most people don’t put movies on hold to be picked back up where you left off and returned to later. IMDb being structured this way wouldn’t make any sense. You could always just use the list function and create a list of movies you didn’t finish on IMDb with a note on why, and if you’re not sure if you’ve seen a movie when it is recommended you could just look at your list?
have you tried aniilist? I used to recommend it a lot more to my friends since they really like using the database functions and like the stuff on aniilist is so much more specific. Like you can change how much you want to rate things out of, you already got the listings and tagging, you can even add custom categories to rate things out of like rating a show for its characters or for its plot you can rate them separately i think its pretty neat
@@zenleeparadise IMDB has series as well, so for those, it would make a lot of sense. IMDB just is not as stream lined for TV, and having to create an extra List for all those different statuses is just a symptom of that.
The people complaining about you not reviewing movies fully and the people complaining about you not finishing your Lion King 2019 review fast enough in a Venn diagram is a circle
I don’t mind Adum not finishing movies especially when he has to watch so many, but I also have to admit that watching the Oscars video was a borderline surreal experience as I was not prepared for the amount of times a movie reviewer said he couldn’t finish watching a movie. Again no hate and I find the backlash excessive but I was personally taken by surprise lol.
Try watching and reviewing them all yourself, it's a *lot* more tedious than most people imagine... There are sooo many movies nominated, and a lot of them are formulaic oscar-bait nonsense that (especially after years of doing this) are incredibly exhausting
@@praticle My partner and I have watched almost all of them by this point, but if we had to then also do a full review and edit it all together? Forget about. However, if that was my full time job? I mean yea, I'd do it if I thought it would get me the clicks.
@@praticle I find your reply confusing because it implies that I disagree with that even though the first sentence of my comment basically says the same. But with that said yes you are right and I agree with you.
@@onistag His Lion King review has taken over a year to edit and release, if he gave equal attention to every film his job would be impossible. As someone who's seen so many of these films I'm sure you can agree that some are more deserving of attention then others?
I'm sorry this was a big stupid deal for you to waste time on. I actually laughed out loud because you didn't finish some movies because i get it. It's a relatable experience that EVERYONE goes through, even people that don't want to admit it. People are instilling unrealistic expectations on you it seems.
I agree that giving people with unrealistic expectations an outlet to voice their opinions to the source is generously commodifying. After all they are forming their opinions off of the opinions of those who don’t know what they are talking about to begin with. I just sympathize with Adam in this case because I can’t imagine, as the relative social celebrity that he is, how annoying and excessively abundant the amount of baseless flack he gets is on a regular basis. Especially as the self-admittedly confrontational person that he is. He has a way of upsetting people who don’t agree with him. But he also tries to understand other people’s perspective and at least hear them out, which he does all the time on Sardonicast. I can’t put words into his mouth, and I don’t know for sure if what I’m saying is applicable to his perspective, but I think he’s been absolutely dumbfounded by all this flack and is very interested and knowing why people think this way about him. If there is a valid argument that could be made that gets overshadowed by the angry and senseless people who echo these opinions around the internet. I don’t think this stream is pandering to these people as much as it is satisfying his piqued interest and giving some level of closure to him.
For me the truth was in the middle. I don't get offended but it did reduce the quality of that video. It would be fine if he did it for a few movies; but dozens of movies in that video were not watched; and it would be better if he didn't give a full rating for them on top (he could have just talked about them).
@@AnoNymous-dh2svI know i'm over a year late to this but i've always seen YMS' videos as opinion pieces. They're entirely what they felt and experienced during the film and the score reflects that. To say he can't give a score to the little he's watched just doesn't make sense to me. As long as he discloses that he didn't watch it all the way through i don't really see it as a problem
@@crestothegecko6279 it's fine to talk about it, I just find it inaccurate to be *conclusive* about it, because theoretically anything can happen before the end (yes I know he believes nothing unexpected can happen (and he's usually correct (but there's always the probability for something odd to happen the last few minutes))).
When I watched his "I'm done" video all I thought was "wow people are so stupid and I feel bad for adum for having to put up with so much shit" and then I see this nearly 5 hour video on the subject rip
Lol nah it was streamed a few days before “I’m Done” was uploaded. I watched some of this on Destiny’s stream last week. Lots of downtime in between finding debate partners so this is a much more concise version
Academy doesn't even watch movies they give awards to: Everyone applauds Adam admits to not watching certain movies all the way through: That's illegal
It's not at all surprising to me that MovieBob didn't get involved in this. He's literally a stereotypical Twitter user as far as I'm concerned. He has over 200k tweets for God's sake.
I only know MovieBob as the guy who pretended to be friends with Lindsay Ellis based on one picture they took together as proof only for Lindsay herself to call out him out for it
@@Powl_J He's toxic af and really full of himself. One glance at his Twitter tells you everything. He also seems to have a tendency to insult people who like movies that he doesn't. Also the notion that he didn't join because he didn't want to "advertise" Adum's channel is so hilarious. Adum is WAY bigger than MovieBob.
I have hardly any idea about this "controversy", but tbh there are a lot more pressing things to worry about in life in general if you wanna get riled up. Needless to say, I didn't watch this all the way through.
Idk that's kinda a logical fallacy. The whole "there are bigger things to worry about" is technically true, but say, just cause there's a war going on in Ukraine, doesn't mean I can't get mad at my roommate for using his peanut butter knife and sticking it in the jelly. That said this is a stupid debate
Twitter is all about being immediately outraged about some story you have at best a cursory knowledge of that you heard misrepresented second hand. It's a game of telephone about a thing where each retweet is somebody misunderstanding the earlier framing such that the thing people are mad about bares no connection to actual reality.
One of the best descriptions of this phenomena is, ironically, a tweet that basically says, "twitter is when someone makes up a thing & then gets irrationally angry about said thing they just made up" lol 🎯
Honestly, I didn’t care that he didn’t watch every movie throughout as he has a lot of movies to watch, this isn’t the first time he’s done it, and I would’ve done the same thing if I wasn’t interested in a movie
I love that the controversy only exists because people are so fucking crazy over number ratings. Like even here you have people saying “It’s fin he didn’t finish, just don’t give the movies rating.” Come the fuck on people, if he feels a way about a movie let him feel a way about a movie. The number at the end just quantifies how he felt, there’s no arbitrary “watch time” qualifier for how to feel about a movie. I fuckin walked out on suicide squad (2016) twenty minutes in and gave it a 1/10, and i gave up playing Infamous around the four hour mark and gave it a 3/10. who cares? If it fails to keep your attention, that’s important. Please stop obsessing over numbers. i guarantee you not a single person who reviewed elden ring beat it before posting their reviews
I wholeheartedly agree. I really hate this virtue-signaling that people are doing that you *must* complete something in order to have an opinion of it. People feel compelled to justify their money spent (assuming that they watch everything legally). They don't wanna admit that they wasted their money on a subpar product.
@@quietman208 If adum didn’t finish the movie, then, quite literally, he did see it. What, did the thirty minutes of the movie he watched just suddenly leave his brain? He clearly has something to say about the movie and why he stopped watching it. And in a video where he’s going over every oscar nomination, i’m sure he wants to spend more time on the more important nominations anyways. And again, why are you people so obsessive over number ratings? If he feels a way about a movie, then he feels that way! Do i suddenly not have an opinion on batman v superman because i walked out forty five minutes in? that movie was absurdly boring, fucking 1/10. Why am i not justified in saying that? If the movie got good an hour in or later that doesn’t matter, it didn’t keep my attention up until that point. edit: May i reiterate that, in games criticism, it’s pretty rare for a mainstream game reviewer to finish a game before their review is posted the day it releases. That was the case with Elden Ring, all of those 10s and 9s came from people about halfway through that game.
@@quietman208 Then what is “fully engaging” with a piece of art? Is it watching the whole movie? is it doing all the background research, understanding the production and why they made the choices they made, etc? Is it 100% completing the game and getting the platinum trophy? Is it reading the whole book and writing a report comprehending what you’ve read? Is it reading through the passage, separating the text into its original hebrew structure, analyzing it, and writing an exegetical? If it’s all of those things, then that’s a pretty intense and unrealistic standard for “engaging with art,” and I doubt anybody actually reaches that standard on every single thing they interact with. As a reminder, you are angry about the fact that adum didn’t watch every single movie nominated for the oscar’s, and could only get through 1/3 of a handful of the nominees.
This is so bizarre to watch, I don't get where the debate is. Most of the people seem angry at some non-existent person who pretends to watch entire films and then reviews them but secretly only watches part of the film and for some reason they are trying to make Adam defend this non-existent person. He gives his impressions and informs people how much he watches when doing so and gives them an imdb score/rating so he can use it as reference in the future for his own use. It seems people are just mad about the score, but one person out of hundreds of thousands isn't going to effect the overall imdb score, and his personal rating is clearly just based on the parts he saw so what is the debate?
@@ontheturningaway Jesus christ this is an incredibly moronic comment. Did you even watch any part of this video where he explains multiples times that he clarifies if he doesn't finish a film in the review of it? His review is of the parts of the movie he did see and he doesn't comment on the rest of it. There's no dishonest behavior on his part, he's completely transparent about it. You need to grow the fuck up and learn how to actually listen to people instead spouting dishonest bullshit.
@@ontheturningaway So basically you are mad that he is relatively successful and gives his impressions on films that he explicitly states in the videos he doesn't finish in those few circumstances.
@@BrokenFingerParadise I'm not a troll, I was criticising Adum's behaviour here, as many others have done. Your moronic response claiming that I'm jealous is irrelevant. Adum is getting paid to upload reviews by his subscribers on Patreon. They are quite right to be upset by him and him blocking and deleting comments is adding fuel to the fire.
@@citizentoxie3230 I mean considering they could just unsubscribe from his patreon if they were that angry I'm not sure what the problem is. It can't be a shock to them that he sometimes gives partial impressions considering he says so in the videos themselves every time he does so. Unless they are subscriber entirely to see his imdb scores for some reason and never watch a single video of his about the movies themselves I don't see the problem.
Even if you see a movie (not at a festival) and want to leave because you hate it, I want to know about that. What made you walk out is an interesting video. I think that's a completely valid review. You don't owe the filmmaker anything, you paid to walk out. The filmmaker's job is to keep your interest in their storytelling. Your job is to talk about movies on this platform. You don't owe us more than that and you do act with integrity, you aren't lying about what you've seen.
And I would add that it's extremely rare for a movie to be bad or uninteresting for the first half or so, and then suddenly become a good movie in the second half. I almost walked out of Anchorman 2, and upon finishing it I realized that walking out wouldn't have changed my opinion at all because it didn't get better.
@@quietman208 We just flat out disagee. I think the ending is the most important part of a film, and I still do not think it justifes the existence of the rest of the film. I dont think most people feel that way, or most people would finish every single thing they watch (and that certainly isnt true) .
3:07:58 - "I think you can not rate a movie if you haven't consumed it as the creator intended." This argument breaks apart so fast when you listen to what so many directors consider the "mandaotry" viewing experience for their films. This guy would NOT disregard someone's right to rate a film based on seeing it in the cinema vs. at home.
There’s literally one setting in which I think it matters, and that’s if you’re an academy member or voter for an award and you are assigning a vote based off a movies sound mixing and editing based off an experience where you could not have possibly gotten much of an experience based on the quality of your set up e.g. standard tv speakers. That’s a very specific example I know but I think it’s THE ONLY one that I could even begin to apply to that argument. Otherwise it’s a fucking dumb take
bruh. you haven't truly seen the emoji movie if you haven't made it past the 30 minute mark. how could you not finish it and think "maybe, im not gonna like the rest of this"? HOW COULD YOU HAVE ANY PUDDING IF YOU DON'T EAT YOUR MEEEEAAAATTTT!!!!
I couldn't finish this vid. 5 hours long? God damn... 6/10 vid I find the whole "controversy" laughable. What's controversial about not finishing a movie? You mean to tell me that if someone told you they weren't able to finish a movie, it wouldn't speak volumes to how they felt about it? Adam is a highly logical, detailed and contextual person. I wouldn't think he skipped movies he's already reviewed because he just mentioned it now for a few movies... The only thing I would disagree about this whole thing is scoring something you haven't finished. We all appreciate him giving his impressions of a partial review. Hard for me to be ok with scoring something you haven't completed.
Once again somebody says “don’t score it if you haven’t finished it.” What is it about scores that you people care so much about? If he feels a way about a movie, he feels a way about that movie! why is him giving a score suddenly such an issue if it was so nothing he couldn’t finish it? It’s just a fucking number, there’s no arbitrary watch time check point you need to cross before you can quantify how a movie makes you feel. Especially in a video like his oscar’s one where he’s watching like forty movies back to back.
@@ElvenSonic It's like if a teacher gave you an F because you got the first half of the questions on the test wrong. Yeah the likelihood of you turning the test around and getting an A in the end is slim to none, but you could at least bump your score up a little if the teacher bothered to grade the whole test. Adam's basically applying a pass/fail grading when he walks out, but he's still giving a grade anyway. Should just be one or the other. I really don't care what he does though, I'm not part of this "controversy".
@@cangrejopendejo4909 he’s giving the movie as a whole a pass/fail by walking out, but he’s still deciding to grade parts he did experience. He’s still allowed to talk about what he did and didn’t like about what he saw and then quantify his feelings about his personal experience as a numbered rating/score. So long as he’s transparent about everything and it’s made clear that the rating only applies to the things he *did* experience then I see nothing wrong with what he’s doing. Would I give a rating to a movie I didn’t finish? No. Does it bother /annoy me that he does decide to rate movies that he didn’t finish? Also no.
What Adam says about using a “critic” as a barometer for your own tastes rings so true for me, especially with Adam. Just based off of his review of dune, which I haven’t watched, makes me feel like I’ll probably get more out of it than he did. I feel like I have a good sense of his tastes and helps me select my movies to watch with pretty good accuracy.
Adam is providing free content, isn't being dishonest, it is useful to some people, and people who don't want to listen can ignore it. There is literally nothing controversial about this.
@@johnlonne7062 Why do you care so much what he personally feels about the movie. He's giving his general feelings on the film and stating that it failed to capture his interest, while giving a numerical rating to how much he enjoyed his time with it. If you don't like that, don't watch his reviews where he outright states that he didn't finish the movie.
@@johnlonne7062 "Giving a rating to a movie without finishing it is not okay." He rates the portion he watched. And what do you mean "not okay"? Is it immoral? Is it illegal? Is it irrational? No, no, and no. "If a movie is 3 hours long and you know after 30 minutes you have no interest, then that's fine, but don't give it 7/10 and move on." That would be kind of a weird score for a portion of a movie one has no interest in, but scores are always personally weighted. "If you can't finish it, then it should get 0/10 every time." Do they make you work long hours at the movie scoring police department?
@@johnlonne7062 "It's immoral." What moral principle is he breaching? "Like wearing a wedding dress at someone else's wedding. Not against the law, but the one who did it deserve mocking." That's a social faux pas, assuming the person is invited to the wedding. Not immoral. "Scoring movies in IMDB that he didn't finish makes no sense." It makes lots of sense. His viewers can see what movies *might* be best avoided given their limited time. That's valuable to them. "Imagine a food critic saying "I give the potatoes a 7/10, but I didn't try the beef, but you may like it."" I'm imagining it. What's the problem? "He excuses by saying it's his way of marking it as "seen", but there are thousands of alternatives. Just use a spreadsheet." Then his fans wouldn't have access to it as easily, and like I said, they get utility from it. "Also Adam is a stranger to me, I don't owe him my kindness, just like he doesn't owe me his content." So, don't watch and don't check his IMDB list. Or do that, and be annoyed. I don't care.
you take twitter comments too seriously. I really don't think this justifies this much of a response even. Your channel, do whatever you want. Review the first 3 seconds of a film.
Adam can do whatever the fuck he wants with his reviews. People need to get a life and stop policing things that are supposed to be fun. I want a 5-hour video of him reviewing every movie he didn't complete.
@@unmixedunmastered2810 they can disagree all they want. But people a ton of people are questioning his character and integrity, it isn't right. It's fucking gaslighting, and it makes him (fans, and people with hearts) feel awful. What's the goal here?? Make Adam kill himself? People who think it's right to bombard people with pointless criticism are sick in the head. Social media could be a good thing but it's become a cancer to society. IT'S. A. MOVIE. REVIEW. Why do people care what he does that much? Literally get a life.
Does anyone recall the name of the movie that is recontextualized in the last 20 minutes? He talks about it around the 19:00 mark. Would love to check it out
This is exactly the point. Will nobody else acknowledge the absolute irony that YMS Highlights uploads a "debate" lasting twice as long as any film Adam would have to watch? Adam could have watched 2 films within the time it took him to address not watching films in their entirety. Gawd, this is so stupid!
I suggest adding "DNF" for "Did Not Finish" to the scoring. Everything else was clear, almost thought I misheard him not finishing the movie when he scored. DNF 4/10.
But Adam, what if the last 30 milliseconds of a film presents the exact audiovisual stimuli that would invariably make any audience member coom? You are doing a disservice to the movie, your fans, and quite frankly yourself by not watching to the point that the projector shuts off. (Satire)
i think a lot of people not liking YMS doing stuff like this is because he's kind of a taste maker as a critic. Wether you like it or not, people steal the opinions of critics or just media figures in general. It's really about, imo, them not wanting to be in the minority of liking a film or not liking someone going against the grain of liking the popular media
I never understood this. I've been watching Adam for years and I've disagreed on quite a few movies. I thought the 2014 Godzilla was awful and Adam liked it a lot. Theres also Inside Out which I found really touching but Adam didn't like at all. You don't need to change your opinions because a guy with a big youtube channel says so.
I hate that argument, when I heard it in the video it baffled me. That's not a critic's problem, if someone decides to steal other people's opinions on art they're not going to watch then is there any responsibility to make sure they hypothetically like some movies a bit better because a critic spoke a bit more positively about it? They've made a decision to not form their own opinions, I don't see any point to making sure their phony opinions are coming from a more “authentic experience,” they're still deciding to have no opinion of their own. Why should anyone else be making sure those stolen opinions are any different than they currently are? It just rings of infantilization to say someone needs to take up someone else's responsibility to think for themselves. Very silly.
@@Jo-bs2uu Sure, I read it as you describing that position that other people hold and I think your characterisation is dead on. Just embarrassing that people would hold such a position because if you stop and think about it for half a second it should be self-evident how worthless and pedantic a take it is.
@@nackskott12 gotcha i just like to not leave any interpretative wiggle room because people look for any excuse to fight. But yeah, the idea that art is like a popularity contest is pretty gross. Policing of taste and experience is a bad idea in general in my opinion.
I think Adam didn't do himself any favours with the comparisons he made to Gordon Ramsey not needing to finish the whole plate. With a dish you can just sample a little bit of everything on the plate right away, unlike a movie where you must watch it in sequence to experience everything. I think ppl on twitter picked up on the uneven analogy and jumped on it.
Yeah, it is a terrible analogy. Better analogy would be the cooking itself. The recipe calls for a particular set of ingredients added over the course of frying everything in a pan. If Adam says, "I didn't add these ingredients because I didn't have time" then he is betraying the original recipe. The food might still taste good, but cannot be judge according to its original recipe.
@@whattheegad I would actually argue that no analogy is terribly useful. A movie is a movie: a piece of media over an hour long that aims to keep the watcher entertained until the end. If someone stops the movie halfway through because it didn't achieve that in their view, then that's a valid opinion to share their movie reviewing channel. I also think it's fair for them to want to give it a score, as long as they are transparent that they didn't finish, which Adam has always been. On the other hand, I think its fair to disagree with this way to review films. But the correct thing to do is to unsub to Adam and then leave it alone, not campaign on social media calling him a fraud.
@@seraphini1248 I disagree, if someone said to me that their meal was so awful that they couldn't finish it, it would be clear to me that no amount of strawberry juice or side capers would be enough to make the meal palatable. The fact that they didn't finish it is useful information. But again, I think it is not useful to use food analogies here. Movies are different from food, and they are consumed in different ways. When Adam says he didn't finish a movie, that clearly conveys that the part he watched did not interest him enough to last until the end, and while I can understand how others may not find that useful as a review, I do and so do the majority of his audience. So I don't see any problem with it, especially within the context that he only does it when he's doing a roundup of the Oscars or film festivals.
@@seraphini1248 Yeah, exactly, which is why I say those food analogies don't really work for movie reviews, hence my original comment. But just because I think his analogy was poor doesn't mean I don't side with Adam on the matter as a whole. I just think there would have been better ways to argue his case.
I'll just say I hope you don't adopt a "Could not finish/10" because of pressure. You already say you don't finish those movies, plus the rating helps contextualize the different movies you don't finish. Like, a 3/10 didn't finish vs. a 5/10 didn't finish just isn't the same.
It's not so bizarre when you realize that individuals tend to respond emotionally rather than rationally to these sorts of things. Art (which film is) is very personal. It's subjective, like you said. For this reason, people often treat cherished works of art as extensions of themselves. The art (film, painting, novel, etc.) expresses something in you that you were unable to articulate. When someone criticizes a work of art you love, it can feel very personal, like you yourself are being criticized. People get defensive. They might turn self-righteous. None of this justifies the response Adam has received on Twitter (I'm pretty much entirely on his side). I just think it explains some of that response.
Ya especially if they're feeling hurt that Adam rated something they liked poorly, they're seeing this as a golden opportunity to invalidate his opinions, yknow what i mean?
@@lampad4549 Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with anything Adam said in the video. I think all of the points he made are correct. I'm simply offering a possible explanation for why some people have responded irrationally to the fact that some of the films Adam discussed in his Oscars video were films he didn't finish.
I wish we could do a better job of encouraging people to not do this and chill out about other people's opinions on art. No art appeals to everyone and that's fine. The only question should be whether or not the critique is honest, I can understand being a bit peeved if someone is just incorrect in what they say about art, like if they get the text of it wrong - I.e. “this character is cowardly and weak willed” when their character arc is about them being too hot-blooded and confrontational, for example. That's fine to take shots at imo but nobody owes approval of art or to complete it, I just want the criticism to be correct.
@@nackskott12 Sure. I'm not encouraging people to respond in this emotional way. I'm just offering an explanation for why they might be responding in this way.
This whole situation is really dumb, and Adam getting so defensive over it is a little embarrassing, honestly. This doesn't need a debate stream. It doesn't even need to be another TH-cam video. It's a nontroversy that's mostly amplified by Adam making a bigger deal about it than it needs to be. I like Adam, but come on.
exactly. Adum was talkin about how stupid it was for this to be controversy, but he did everything to pedal it into one. Like who gives af. I myself find it a bit odd that he rates movies he didn't finish, but it's not something he should be called out for like wtf
I love Adam but he's an internet personality/content creator and shouldn't be seen as a legitimate critic. He uploads more highlights of his twitch than does anything actually review related and thats fine. But if he wants that credibility then this isn't the way to get it.
Deadass, it was very confusing. I didn't even know this was going on until Adam pulled out a microphone on the whole thing. At the most, he should've just been "That's how I consume media, sorry if you don't dig it". This whole campaign to defend himself made it seem like the detractors had an actual point lol
Yeah, I had to watch Sausage Party in EIGHT chunks, just in order to finish it. I knew after the first 10-15 minutes, that it wouldn´t be for me. Sometimes finishing a movie really isn´t worth it.....
@@seraphini1248 I want to hear about those movies if the person who is talking about them is engaging to me. I think criticism, reviews, rating videos, etc. can be entertaining on thier own. Even if the subject matter alone wouldn't be (again, personally speaking). I would assume given how large of an audience watches his reviews (and other channels) that I wouldn't be alone in that. If the argument truly is about whether a review is "worth it" or not, then surely we can at least agree that people value things differently and therefore it is "worth" reviewing to some (if not, a lot of) people.
I just want to say I really appreciate being able to experience your content as a podcast and watch it with the video later for a different experience.
Mauler and Fringy were such a palate cleanser to close out their video. It's clear that they do want to think of "reviewing" as a bit more formal of a process than YMS, but even when they hit on something they disagree, they feel no need to go on the offensive or try to diminish other people being shitty to him. There's still that frustrating "I bet this wouldn't have happened if you didn't call them reviews in the first place" moment, but it's only frustrating as the capstone to a 5-hour stream of much less genuine people repeating that point ad nauseam. Mauler and Fringy's tone doesn't come across as victim-blamy like the guy before them. EFAP came out of this looking very mature and good. Jeb bless.
I didn't even know this was a controversy until Adam talked about it a bunch. It really isn't that big a deal. It didn't deserve a damn near 5 hour video.
If he doesn't even get 1/5th the way through a movie (i.e. West Side Story), he shouldn't be giving it a score, even if he admits to not finishing it. In no universe can he claim to have "seen" the movie. He should just say he didn't see it. Problem solved.
The argument that him "reviewing" movies he didn't finish is so stupid. He has always been transparent and let people know when he hasn't finished the films and had he not openly admitted to not watching the whole thing, NO ONE WOULD KNOW. So the argument that he is being deceptive falls apart when it's built on evidence he made public, and yet there are many reviewers that put out reviews and don't disclose when they haven't finished watching the film, or playing the game, and THAT is deceptive. Personally I don't feel you have to finish watching the movie, TV show, or playing the game your reviewing to give an accurate review anyways. Like if I hated the first hour and a half of a movie, chances are that the last 30 minutes won't change that opinion.
I dislike the content where Adum only watches about half a film and still provides a rating, but that doesn't mean he should stop doing it. People can like or dislike whatever they want, and he should be allowed to express himself how he likes.
Imagine how much editing he could have gotten done in that length of time. How ironic is it that he'll spend precious time talking about not completing movies or editing reviews but he won't spend precious time doing those exact things.
4:05:35 Fringy makes a good point here, as Yahtzee (zero punctuation) has released videos on games he did not finish either. AC:Odyssey for example, and thats an important point he makes in that scenario as to why.
So I find it valuable to hear that someone couldn’t get into a movie enough to finish it and hearing their reasons why BUT I do tend consider a number rating reflective of a complete work and not applicable to a partial watch. Just my two cents.
I personally don’t watch YMS for movie ratings…I watch it for Adum’s content. It’s hilarious and entertaining…I don’t care if he didn’t finish a movie and shares his opinion on it…I think most YMS fans feel this way…I think it’s a sign of good faith to open a debate on this subject, but Adum isn’t arguing with his fans…he’s arguing with people who love being outraged over nothing…and they will move on to a new subject to be angry about tomorrow…
I don't understand why anyone would be outraged at this. It's not like he works for a newspaper or website or something, this is HIS CHANNEL HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS! If you don't agree with that format, then don't watch him. People who watch him for his opinion, I wouldn't think, would actually care.
This is so funny. These debates just go around in circles with Adam constantly saying the same thing and these guys not understanding the point at all. 😂
The Italian guy has the worst takes. Using the same argument, what if Adam gave a movie a 9 and the person absolutely hated it? Then is Adam still doing a disservice by rating too high? Not sure if he had much context or it was a language barrier, but he didn't fundamentally understand why Adam was rating for his partial viewings. This isn't a systemic issue with his channel. It would be like watching Cinema Sins and taking away the fact that every movie they gloss over is bad because they only talk about the bad parts.
i remenber seeing Adum giving Call me by your Name an explendid review and i stoped to watch it. It was not a bad movie, but not for me. I believe he gave a 9/10, where for me it was a 7 at best. It was my way of knowing for sure not all my interestes allign with Adum, i allready had a interest in the movie, but i was not giving it time, and his 9/10 really sold it to me, but we are diferent persons. Sometimes Adum gives a movie a 7 and it´s a masterpiece for me, but usually i will only check out because he gave it a 7(even a 5 in some cases) in the first place and his small review helped me decide if i really should watch it or not. So for me, partial reviews are really inportant
If a movie is so boring to begin with you can't even finish it, that is worth sharing. Maybe the last act is absolutely amazing but a movie, as the 4th guy said, is more than the sum of its parts. Failing to entertain from the beginning is not good film making, and Adam sharing that is worth something. Especially since he's being very clear about. There is so much wrong with the complaints Adam is getting here it's not even worth going over all of them.
I also tend to do that with your reviews, usually if I like something, I tend to assume you're going to be harsher on it than I am, so when you say something "is just ok", I usually think "oh wow, I'm probably gonna love this movie"
What's even funnier is that I've seen, in Adam's own comment section, people going "If you didn't like this movie, then why did you watch it?" Yes, these are all different people with different viewpoints, but it really highlights just how impossible it is to please everybody. No matter what you do, you're always gonna get angry people breathing down your neck.
@@ralelunar It is good from the beginning. You just don't have enough information as a viewer from the start to fully contextualize what you're seeing.
You don't need to watch all the The Emoji Movie to know its a pile of shit, or Batman & Robin. Its not like at the 45 minute mark its going to become Scorsese quality. Is this guy genuinely saying that Master of Disguise is worthy of attention? The argument clearly falls apart in the face of actual examples of terrible films. I can't even believe that an argument in opposition to this would be good faith.
I think the number score is the issue. Because yes at the time you say that you didn't watch it all, but if I asked someone "oh what score did yms give 'x' movie" they might say the score and not add that info. But if you just say "I didn't watch all of it" they could only say "he didn't watch all of it". There is no room for misinterpretation. I think you are presuming that people wouldn't look up your score as a shorthand and not watch the video, but that probably happens a lot.
I dont think people have a problem with reviewing movies you haven't finished. I think its using ratings on a movie you didn't finish. How can someone judge a movie numerically if it wasn't finished? If it gets better does it go up more? If you didn't finish is there a cap on the rating? Does the rating go up if you watched half instead 20mins? There's alot of stuff to think about.
Such weird debate opponents. Pretty much everyone of them goes: "I don't know you or what you're about, but I'm very opinionated about reviewers not finishing movies or something, anyway tell me what this drama is about because I don't know". Debate bros just looking around everywhere to argue about anything.
nothing communicates more clearly that people aren't familiar with the actual content than thinking someone's going to stumble half way into an hour long cluster review and absorb an opinion on one of the movies as unwatchable
I hope Adum don't stop giving his thoughts on movies he couldn't finish if they where bad. I find them useful and it's one of a few that talks about indie films with not awfully bad audio, video and he can put together his thoughts in a clear way
This controversy is absurd. Everyone does this. When have you not watched a show for movie or started listening to an album or read a book, gave up half-way through and subsequently made a judgement or criticism about that media? We do this all the time. As a for-instance; I read somewhere between 30 and 60 books and year---not as much as I would like but that's what it is---Often when I start reading a book I don't much enjoy, one that's not working for me, I am not going to read through a hundred, two hundred, three hundred or a thousand more pages to either confirm or deny whether this book that isn't working for me, isn't working for me. I got other shit to do and you know what? I will make a judgement about the book, about it's writing, about the characters, the plot and how it was presented/delivered. And that's fine as well. Because I consumed it, it is now a part of my brain and my brain has made judgements about it, which I obviously found lacking,. Will I present my experience to someone else as definitive or covering the whole of the material? No, but neither does Adam. What's the problem?
Lets be honest, there wouldnt really be backlash (or less of) if he didnt finish 2-3 movies but i think many people including me was just a bit surprised sith how many. But honestly not something thats going to make me think differently about Adum, especially when you realise how many movies he had to watch.
1:34:13 no mention was made regarding the frequency with which you walk out of/give up on movies in that specific quote right there. The phrasing was vague enough so that anybody reading it in bad faith or without proper context could have easily misconstrued your intended meaning and just make their own assumptions. I’m with you on everything else, just you mentioning there’s no way to misinterpret that tweet kinda stood out to me as clearly incorrect
1:52:07 ~ I hate that kind of argument where he's basically saying "Other people mimic you so your responsible for them." I've never liked that argument. Inciting a riot is one thing, but Adum's never been going for a charismatic domination direction with his channel. This is more akin to, say, some random person decides to mimic you out of nowhere and everything you do. You know they will mimic everything you do, so are you now responsible for every action they take because they are only mimicking you? If you eat peanutbutter and they have an extreme allergy and die, did you kill them? No. They're the one who decided to eat the peanutbutter and do that to themselves. He is devaluing the agency of others and throwing responsibility onto Adum, who never asked for it.
The biggest underlying issue between both sides appears to be the review watcher’s responsibility. Specifically, to what extent should the watcher be responsible in determining for themselves what constitutes a fair review. If a person doesn’t think that assessing a movie after watching only part of it counts as a fair review, they are entitled to that opinion and should disregard those parts of Adam’s videos. If a reviewer thinks there’s merit in disclosing the reasons they didn’t finish a movie, they are entitled to do so; it is up to the consumer of the review to determine where they lie in the spectrum of completely disregarding the comments and basing their whole opinion on it. As long as the reviewer discloses any circumstances affecting the context of their statements, they are within their right to state them. If people are worried that some viewers may not be able to figure out where on that spectrum they lie, they should focus their attention more on promoting media literacy and critical thinking than suppressing the media at hand.
I disagree with YMS, he's a decent reviewer but saying "I was bored by the first 30 minutes of a film so I stopped" it might have got really good after that and if then the first 30 mins might be better on re-watch knowing the ending. The Gift is a Joel Edgerton movie I hated until the mid-way twist which changes everything and made the first half make sense. Even Nightmare Alley was an ok movie, but the very ending of it made me appreciate the story much more and like it more. If YMS was doing this with a dumb Adam Sandler comedy it would be one thing, but doing it with festival movies is unfair. however if he's not doing it for his main reviews I guess this is harmless
Being a film reviewer in youtube has the good balance of observation, analysis and their own unique reaction based on their experience (personal views). Not leaning on the sides of extremes, when it comes to professional and personal views. Their credibility is more on balanced state of extremes and their personal transparency. People are treating his reviews and methods in a strange standard, it would probably make sense if it was a professional film reviewer.
One of the arguments that was prominent on twitter over this was that if you don't finish a film and review it, then it isn't a real "review." This might be semantics but I can't find a definition of "review" that requires that you give your perspective of the media in it's entirety. Generally it's accepted that reviews are mostly comprehensive, but not always 100%. I'd agree that the general standards for reviews is that they're complete perspectives of the entire content, but they don't always have to be. And it's fair if someone doesn't value a partial review over a complete one, but definitionally they would still both be reviews.
It doesn't bother me that Adum doesn't finish some movie because whenever he doesn't he makes it very clear that he didn't watch all of it. Any person with a half a brain would know to take his rating on any unfinished movie as not definitive or 100% accurate but more general. If he didn't make it so clear, yeah it'd be a problem. But as it stands I see nothing wrong as long as he keeps telling us he didn't watch the full thing before or after the rating.
3:10:00 This actually happened with a professional review of Uncharted 4 lol In the review, the author points out that they hadn't played the released game (only that he tried a demo at E3 way before the game came out) and the review is spent on criticizing the previous Uncharteds, despite still scoring Uncharted 4. I'm not sure if it ended up being deleted after the backlash, but it was removed from Metacritic iirc.
As long as he admits to not finishing the movie, it doesn't matter.
If the twitterverse is the only group of people who complain ignore it.
Exactly Twitter bitches about literally everything
His videos were getting hit with comments, too.
This began because he addressed TH-cam comments then pasted that response onto twitter
@@zipperzee yeah from twitter people
His subreddit is also very divided on the issue
I really appreciate Adam being honest about films he didn't finish. If he doesn't give them a rating, and just leaves it at "Couldn't finish/10", I don't see any way people could be upset.
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I don't see how people could get upset when he gave ratings. There isn't some ISO standard or international society of movie reviewers that mandate what numbers mean. It is a number scale to compare how you think about a movie. Adam's 6/10 is unique to him and our 6/10 probably doesn't match up with his.
And I would be perfectly fine with that "Didn't finish/10" since that's what I do a lot in my own reviews. We know that no one person can go through all of the movies in a major festival like Sundance, but it's interesting in his last video of the Best Picture nominees, a large majority he didn't finish and still gave them scores
@@TravisHouze because he decided to do this at a point where it would be unreasonable to go through and fully watch and articulate his thoughts on every film.
Holy shit, ok this video is 4hrs long, so maybe you didn't listen to all of it. But he explains why he still gives ratings, it's to keep his own record of what he has tried to watch and because it's his opinion based on what he saw. If he just gives it a "not finished/10", that does nothing to tell us how he feels about the parts of the movie he did watch and how he feels the score would be even if he did watch all of it. Like if you were to rate a meal that includes onions, but you really fucking hate onions, you won't even have to finish it and you would know that you can rate it 3/10 or something cause you know what you like and don't like.
is this really a controversy? homie was at a film festival with many movies and not a lot of time. If he's not feeling a movie and leaves, who cares? We all do this with netflix and shit. Even if he gives it a score, at least he's honest that he didn't finish it, and what he DID saw was the score. Because come on now.....some movies just fuckin suck
Wait I'm confused his context in this video is he doesn't review the movie.
Are you saying he rated the movies in question and he is keeping that fact out of his convo with Destiny?
@@TheRobMr Did you pay attention? Adum said multiple times that he rates these films based on what he's seen. IMDB doesn't have a "did not finish" rating or anything, so he gives it a score to mark that he at least tried watching it. He said that if there was a way to mark the film as "watched" without a rating he would do that.
How did this controversy start anyway?
*"WELL, ON TWITTER--"*
And that's all I needed to know on how much I care about it.
This can't be emphasized enough. If a "controversy" exists only on Twitter it *not does not matter!!*
Couldn't agree more
Adum wouldn't stop tweeting about it everyone was telling him to stop feeding the flames
@@iamthewizardwhoknocks2845 it spread outside of twitter and thats what makes it a controversy. Still a dumb one on the side of people getting upset. YMS really did nothing wrong here.
@@GumshoeGamer he's a crybaby
Unless Adum's an Academy voter then I still don't understand why is this so important
HE SAID A MOVIE I LIKE WASNT GOOD WITHOUT FINISHING IT!!! youre not allowed to have opinions on a movie if you dont finish it, even if you're only commenting on the part you saw.
@@barzontus not sure what movie you're talking about but based on your response I automatically don't like it either
@@barzontus I highly doubt that's the case, considering the first backlash came from the film festival review. You know, the one that's filled with movies that most of these people will never look for once they're released too. Heck, I'm willing to wager that the majority of the people throwing a fit are those who only read some second-hand tweet.
It’s not important. First world problems yo.
@@barzontus Why not?
the sheeer irony of people who dont watch YMS content jumping to conclusions when he says he doesnt fully watch some movies
As long as he disclosed he never finished.... who cares.
@@verbatim7508 just don’t watch the video
@@verbatim7508 he’s done it before, this isn’t new for him, just don’t watch his channel if it bothers you this much that he *might* give a partial review to a movie no one gives a shit about
@@verbatim7508 Plenty of people care about why he didn’t finish a movie. Get over yourself.
I wanna take a crack at this, because this is a pretty interesting discussion.:
4 years ago, IGN and other game review sites got fuckin’ raked over the coals for not finishing games before writing and publishing their articles. It’s kind of analogous to this in a way. The core of what this ‘controversy’ _is_ “what is the purpose of a movie critic?”
Personally, I believe the purpose is to inform the consumer whether a movie is worth their time or money. Now, video games and movies are two very different forms of media, games are interactive by nature, movies are a more detached medium. Both however, rely on consumers to generate their revenue, and I think the concept people take umbrage with is incomplete information.
People who watch Adam for both his insight AND his style of humor may get a little frustrated when they don’t have the comprehensive information to discern whether a given movie is worth their time and/or money, and it’s completely understandable. A movie could get completely flipped on its head and recontextualized halfway through and he may have missed it when he decided to leave the theatre. I acknowledge and respect his honesty in him disclosing when he does this.
Personally I think he should leave incomplete reviews out and buy or rent a movie that couldn’t hold his interest to revisit an incomplete work of his.
This should go down in history as the most pointless debate in history. I’m not really sure what a lot of people were fighting for, because I’m pretty sure the loudest voices don’t watch Adum or at least don’t rate his opinion… so what difference does it make if he finishes the movie or not? That just reinforms their perception of him as a critic they already don’t rate…
Maybe he should just judge the movie by the trailers and not watch them at all. I mean, what difference does it make?
@@whattheegad so you didn't watch any of this video and now give your take on it, criticizing Adam for the same thing?
And yet. Despite the debate being pointless dribble. Adum isn’t doing those reviews anymore. I just don’t understand it
@@realianwhite Hey, man, I gave this video a 5/10. That's just me being consistent in my review criticism process or something. Because that's what all the top-tier TH-cam critics are doing, right?
@@whattheegad I mean he could, and if you wanna watch or not it's up to you lol, still no problem there.
13:51 That is why MAL is better than IMDB, as a media database. When adding an databasse entry to your (public or private) list, you can set two parameters. One is the watch status [Watching, Completed, On-Hold, Dropped, Plan to Watch] and the other is the score [1-10]. That way people don't need to recommend movies to you that you have tried to watch already and it is completely transparent that you did to everyone looking up your list.
Yeah I wish Letterboxd had a dropped option too (ditto for Goodreads and DNF, in fact)
@@breannaw7254 whats DNF?
Makes sense that it would be structured liked that. That’s not how IMDb is organized because the notion of updating your IMDb WHILE watching a movie is bizarre, and most people don’t put movies on hold to be picked back up where you left off and returned to later. IMDb being structured this way wouldn’t make any sense.
You could always just use the list function and create a list of movies you didn’t finish on IMDb with a note on why, and if you’re not sure if you’ve seen a movie when it is recommended you could just look at your list?
have you tried aniilist? I used to recommend it a lot more to my friends since they really like using the database functions and like the stuff on aniilist is so much more specific. Like you can change how much you want to rate things out of, you already got the listings and tagging, you can even add custom categories to rate things out of like rating a show for its characters or for its plot you can rate them separately i think its pretty neat
@@zenleeparadise IMDB has series as well, so for those, it would make a lot of sense.
IMDB just is not as stream lined for TV, and having to create an extra List for all those different statuses is just a symptom of that.
The people complaining about you not reviewing movies fully and the people complaining about you not finishing your Lion King 2019 review fast enough in a Venn diagram is a circle
I don’t mind Adum not finishing movies especially when he has to watch so many, but I also have to admit that watching the Oscars video was a borderline surreal experience as I was not prepared for the amount of times a movie reviewer said he couldn’t finish watching a movie. Again no hate and I find the backlash excessive but I was personally taken by surprise lol.
Try watching and reviewing them all yourself, it's a *lot* more tedious than most people imagine... There are sooo many movies nominated, and a lot of them are formulaic oscar-bait nonsense that (especially after years of doing this) are incredibly exhausting
@@praticle My partner and I have watched almost all of them by this point, but if we had to then also do a full review and edit it all together? Forget about.
However, if that was my full time job? I mean yea, I'd do it if I thought it would get me the clicks.
@@praticle I find your reply confusing because it implies that I disagree with that even though the first sentence of my comment basically says the same. But with that said yes you are right and I agree with you.
Adum is difficult to please, we know this.
@@onistag His Lion King review has taken over a year to edit and release, if he gave equal attention to every film his job would be impossible. As someone who's seen so many of these films I'm sure you can agree that some are more deserving of attention then others?
I'm sorry this was a big stupid deal for you to waste time on. I actually laughed out loud because you didn't finish some movies because i get it. It's a relatable experience that EVERYONE goes through, even people that don't want to admit it. People are instilling unrealistic expectations on you it seems.
I agree that giving people with unrealistic expectations an outlet to voice their opinions to the source is generously commodifying. After all they are forming their opinions off of the opinions of those who don’t know what they are talking about to begin with. I just sympathize with Adam in this case because I can’t imagine, as the relative social celebrity that he is, how annoying and excessively abundant the amount of baseless flack he gets is on a regular basis. Especially as the self-admittedly confrontational person that he is. He has a way of upsetting people who don’t agree with him. But he also tries to understand other people’s perspective and at least hear them out, which he does all the time on Sardonicast. I can’t put words into his mouth, and I don’t know for sure if what I’m saying is applicable to his perspective, but I think he’s been absolutely dumbfounded by all this flack and is very interested and knowing why people think this way about him. If there is a valid argument that could be made that gets overshadowed by the angry and senseless people who echo these opinions around the internet. I don’t think this stream is pandering to these people as much as it is satisfying his piqued interest and giving some level of closure to him.
For me the truth was in the middle. I don't get offended but it did reduce the quality of that video. It would be fine if he did it for a few movies; but dozens of movies in that video were not watched; and it would be better if he didn't give a full rating for them on top (he could have just talked about them).
@@AnoNymous-dh2svI know i'm over a year late to this but i've always seen YMS' videos as opinion pieces. They're entirely what they felt and experienced during the film and the score reflects that. To say he can't give a score to the little he's watched just doesn't make sense to me. As long as he discloses that he didn't watch it all the way through i don't really see it as a problem
@@crestothegecko6279 it's fine to talk about it, I just find it inaccurate to be *conclusive* about it, because theoretically anything can happen before the end (yes I know he believes nothing unexpected can happen (and he's usually correct (but there's always the probability for something odd to happen the last few minutes))).
When I watched his "I'm done" video all I thought was "wow people are so stupid and I feel bad for adum for having to put up with so much shit" and then I see this nearly 5 hour video on the subject rip
Lol nah it was streamed a few days before “I’m Done” was uploaded. I watched some of this on Destiny’s stream last week. Lots of downtime in between finding debate partners so this is a much more concise version
Academy doesn't even watch movies they give awards to: Everyone applauds
Adam admits to not watching certain movies all the way through: That's illegal
so you agree is bad
Nobody applauds The Academy, mate. The filmmakers are the ones receiving the ovation.
Ironically not a single person mad at Adum had watched one of his video reviews.
Not everyone on was mad at Adam tho
I feel like in response to this whole controversy Adam should actually make a 10-minute-long, standalone "review" of 1 second of a movie, lol.
True or just the trailer
It's not at all surprising to me that MovieBob didn't get involved in this. He's literally a stereotypical Twitter user as far as I'm concerned. He has over 200k tweets for God's sake.
I only know MovieBob as the guy who pretended to be friends with Lindsay Ellis based on one picture they took together as proof only for Lindsay herself to call out him out for it
@@Powl_J He's toxic af and really full of himself. One glance at his Twitter tells you everything. He also seems to have a tendency to insult people who like movies that he doesn't.
Also the notion that he didn't join because he didn't want to "advertise" Adum's channel is so hilarious. Adum is WAY bigger than MovieBob.
@@Powl_J that’s really sad :( I hope he gets help, that’s not psychologically healthy behavior
Moviebob is spineless, this is far from the first time he's acted like a dunce on Twitter and been a pussy about it afterwards.
I have hardly any idea about this "controversy", but tbh there are a lot more pressing things to worry about in life in general if you wanna get riled up. Needless to say, I didn't watch this all the way through.
Therefore you can't put a comment on this video, sorry, you didn't watched the whole thing
@@vjara94 Because it's nothing deep.
@@vjara94 you aren't allowed to have opinions on life because you haven't finished it yet lol
@@unmixedunmastered2810 I think he's being facetious.
Idk that's kinda a logical fallacy. The whole "there are bigger things to worry about" is technically true, but say, just cause there's a war going on in Ukraine, doesn't mean I can't get mad at my roommate for using his peanut butter knife and sticking it in the jelly.
That said this is a stupid debate
Twitter is all about being immediately outraged about some story you have at best a cursory knowledge of that you heard misrepresented second hand. It's a game of telephone about a thing where each retweet is somebody misunderstanding the earlier framing such that the thing people are mad about bares no connection to actual reality.
One of the best descriptions of this phenomena is, ironically, a tweet that basically says, "twitter is when someone makes up a thing & then gets irrationally angry about said thing they just made up" lol 🎯
This is a seriously accurate comment. That’s exactly the problem with twitter and the mindset people have. It’s honestly sad
Honestly, I didn’t care that he didn’t watch every movie throughout as he has a lot of movies to watch, this isn’t the first time he’s done it, and I would’ve done the same thing if I wasn’t interested in a movie
I love that the controversy only exists because people are so fucking crazy over number ratings. Like even here you have people saying “It’s fin he didn’t finish, just don’t give the movies rating.” Come the fuck on people, if he feels a way about a movie let him feel a way about a movie. The number at the end just quantifies how he felt, there’s no arbitrary “watch time” qualifier for how to feel about a movie. I fuckin walked out on suicide squad (2016) twenty minutes in and gave it a 1/10, and i gave up playing Infamous around the four hour mark and gave it a 3/10. who cares? If it fails to keep your attention, that’s important.
Please stop obsessing over numbers. i guarantee you not a single person who reviewed elden ring beat it before posting their reviews
I wholeheartedly agree. I really hate this virtue-signaling that people are doing that you *must* complete something in order to have an opinion of it. People feel compelled to justify their money spent (assuming that they watch everything legally). They don't wanna admit that they wasted their money on a subpar product.
This
@@quietman208 If adum didn’t finish the movie, then, quite literally, he did see it. What, did the thirty minutes of the movie he watched just suddenly leave his brain? He clearly has something to say about the movie and why he stopped watching it. And in a video where he’s going over every oscar nomination, i’m sure he wants to spend more time on the more important nominations anyways.
And again, why are you people so obsessive over number ratings? If he feels a way about a movie, then he feels that way! Do i suddenly not have an opinion on batman v superman because i walked out forty five minutes in? that movie was absurdly boring, fucking 1/10. Why am i not justified in saying that? If the movie got good an hour in or later that doesn’t matter, it didn’t keep my attention up until that point.
edit: May i reiterate that, in games criticism, it’s pretty rare for a mainstream game reviewer to finish a game before their review is posted the day it releases. That was the case with Elden Ring, all of those 10s and 9s came from people about halfway through that game.
@@quietman208 Then what is “fully engaging” with a piece of art? Is it watching the whole movie? is it doing all the background research, understanding the production and why they made the choices they made, etc? Is it 100% completing the game and getting the platinum trophy? Is it reading the whole book and writing a report comprehending what you’ve read? Is it reading through the passage, separating the text into its original hebrew structure, analyzing it, and writing an exegetical?
If it’s all of those things, then that’s a pretty intense and unrealistic standard for “engaging with art,” and I doubt anybody actually reaches that standard on every single thing they interact with. As a reminder, you are angry about the fact that adum didn’t watch every single movie nominated for the oscar’s, and could only get through 1/3 of a handful of the nominees.
@@quietman208 cool. then quite literally only .5% of gamers can review video games. that’s fucking stupid.
This is so bizarre to watch, I don't get where the debate is. Most of the people seem angry at some non-existent person who pretends to watch entire films and then reviews them but secretly only watches part of the film and for some reason they are trying to make Adam defend this non-existent person.
He gives his impressions and informs people how much he watches when doing so and gives them an imdb score/rating so he can use it as reference in the future for his own use. It seems people are just mad about the score, but one person out of hundreds of thousands isn't going to effect the overall imdb score, and his personal rating is clearly just based on the parts he saw so what is the debate?
@@ontheturningaway Jesus christ this is an incredibly moronic comment. Did you even watch any part of this video where he explains multiples times that he clarifies if he doesn't finish a film in the review of it? His review is of the parts of the movie he did see and he doesn't comment on the rest of it. There's no dishonest behavior on his part, he's completely transparent about it. You need to grow the fuck up and learn how to actually listen to people instead spouting dishonest bullshit.
@@ontheturningaway So basically you are mad that he is relatively successful and gives his impressions on films that he explicitly states in the videos he doesn't finish in those few circumstances.
@@BrokenFingerParadise This person is a troll that I somehow missed. I blocked him and nuked his comments (He made A LOT).
@@BrokenFingerParadise I'm not a troll, I was criticising Adum's behaviour here, as many others have done. Your moronic response claiming that I'm jealous is irrelevant. Adum is getting paid to upload reviews by his subscribers on Patreon. They are quite right to be upset by him and him blocking and deleting comments is adding fuel to the fire.
@@citizentoxie3230 I mean considering they could just unsubscribe from his patreon if they were that angry I'm not sure what the problem is. It can't be a shock to them that he sometimes gives partial impressions considering he says so in the videos themselves every time he does so.
Unless they are subscriber entirely to see his imdb scores for some reason and never watch a single video of his about the movies themselves I don't see the problem.
Even if you see a movie (not at a festival) and want to leave because you hate it, I want to know about that. What made you walk out is an interesting video. I think that's a completely valid review. You don't owe the filmmaker anything, you paid to walk out. The filmmaker's job is to keep your interest in their storytelling. Your job is to talk about movies on this platform. You don't owe us more than that and you do act with integrity, you aren't lying about what you've seen.
And I would add that it's extremely rare for a movie to be bad or uninteresting for the first half or so, and then suddenly become a good movie in the second half. I almost walked out of Anchorman 2, and upon finishing it I realized that walking out wouldn't have changed my opinion at all because it didn't get better.
@@quietman208 And that's the norm? I already acknowledged that it happens when I said it's extremely rare so idk why you're pointing that out.
@@quietman208
We just flat out disagee. I think the ending is the most important part of a film, and I still do not think it justifes the existence of the rest of the film. I dont think most people feel that way, or most people would finish every single thing they watch (and that certainly isnt true) .
@@gum8191 the ratings on everything are almost an excuse to forget the review. I could take or leave the ratings to begin with.
@@gum8191 Except he didn't do that. He gives the rating for the part that he saw, not the whole movie. As mentions every time he does it.
Do whatever you want I'll still watch your vids
"People are freaking out…“ = 10-100 triggered people who only live for such nontroversies on Twitter try to make a big deal out of it.
3:07:58 - "I think you can not rate a movie if you haven't consumed it as the creator intended."
This argument breaks apart so fast when you listen to what so many directors consider the "mandaotry" viewing experience for their films. This guy would NOT disregard someone's right to rate a film based on seeing it in the cinema vs. at home.
Hope they don't find YMS's Rise of Skywalker review
Seeing at cinema and seeing at home may be how the creator intended to watch it.
There’s literally one setting in which I think it matters, and that’s if you’re an academy member or voter for an award and you are assigning a vote based off a movies sound mixing and editing based off an experience where you could not have possibly gotten much of an experience based on the quality of your set up e.g. standard tv speakers.
That’s a very specific example I know but I think it’s THE ONLY one that I could even begin to apply to that argument. Otherwise it’s a fucking dumb take
@@NateCooper111 Probably has, Ranton openly admits in the video that the watched and enjoys Adam's videos
Could you imagine seeing a trailer or hearing about a movie and saying, "I don't want to see that, it's not for me". Could you even imagine?
that couldnt be me
People do that all the time
bruh. you haven't truly seen the emoji movie if you haven't made it past the 30 minute mark. how could you not finish it and think "maybe, im not gonna like the rest of this"? HOW COULD YOU HAVE ANY PUDDING IF YOU DON'T EAT YOUR MEEEEAAAATTTT!!!!
I don't think that's analogous. It's the difference between "I think this looks bad" vs "I think this is bad" for example?
Right? Such an outlandish concept!
I couldn't finish this vid. 5 hours long? God damn... 6/10 vid
I find the whole "controversy" laughable. What's controversial about not finishing a movie? You mean to tell me that if someone told you they weren't able to finish a movie, it wouldn't speak volumes to how they felt about it?
Adam is a highly logical, detailed and contextual person. I wouldn't think he skipped movies he's already reviewed because he just mentioned it now for a few movies...
The only thing I would disagree about this whole thing is scoring something you haven't finished. We all appreciate him giving his impressions of a partial review. Hard for me to be ok with scoring something you haven't completed.
Once again somebody says “don’t score it if you haven’t finished it.”
What is it about scores that you people care so much about? If he feels a way about a movie, he feels a way about that movie! why is him giving a score suddenly such an issue if it was so nothing he couldn’t finish it? It’s just a fucking number, there’s no arbitrary watch time check point you need to cross before you can quantify how a movie makes you feel. Especially in a video like his oscar’s one where he’s watching like forty movies back to back.
And that's ok. Your alloud to think and express ya self.
@@ElvenSonic It's like if a teacher gave you an F because you got the first half of the questions on the test wrong. Yeah the likelihood of you turning the test around and getting an A in the end is slim to none, but you could at least bump your score up a little if the teacher bothered to grade the whole test. Adam's basically applying a pass/fail grading when he walks out, but he's still giving a grade anyway. Should just be one or the other. I really don't care what he does though, I'm not part of this "controversy".
@@cangrejopendejo4909 he’s giving the movie as a whole a pass/fail by walking out, but he’s still deciding to grade parts he did experience. He’s still allowed to talk about what he did and didn’t like about what he saw and then quantify his feelings about his personal experience as a numbered rating/score. So long as he’s transparent about everything and it’s made clear that the rating only applies to the things he *did* experience then I see nothing wrong with what he’s doing. Would I give a rating to a movie I didn’t finish? No. Does it bother
/annoy me that he does decide to rate movies that he didn’t finish? Also no.
@@slipperyquark3885 Alright good point. Can't argue against that.
What Adam says about using a “critic” as a barometer for your own tastes rings so true for me, especially with Adam. Just based off of his review of dune, which I haven’t watched, makes me feel like I’ll probably get more out of it than he did. I feel like I have a good sense of his tastes and helps me select my movies to watch with pretty good accuracy.
Dune is horrendous. Too dark (lighting), no story, bad acting, overblown music. Stay away from it
The worst thing about this whole controversy is Destiny's opinion on Dune.
he doesn't like sand
@@kaladhras I mean... It's coarse and rough and irritating...
@@-Zakhiel- and it gets everywhere
Adam is providing free content, isn't being dishonest, it is useful to some people, and people who don't want to listen can ignore it. There is literally nothing controversial about this.
@@johnlonne7062 Why do you care so much what he personally feels about the movie. He's giving his general feelings on the film and stating that it failed to capture his interest, while giving a numerical rating to how much he enjoyed his time with it. If you don't like that, don't watch his reviews where he outright states that he didn't finish the movie.
@@johnlonne7062 "Giving a rating to a movie without finishing it is not okay."
He rates the portion he watched. And what do you mean "not okay"? Is it immoral? Is it illegal? Is it irrational? No, no, and no.
"If a movie is 3 hours long and you know after 30 minutes you have no interest, then that's fine, but don't give it 7/10 and move on."
That would be kind of a weird score for a portion of a movie one has no interest in, but scores are always personally weighted.
"If you can't finish it, then it should get 0/10 every time."
Do they make you work long hours at the movie scoring police department?
@@johnlonne7062 "It's immoral."
What moral principle is he breaching?
"Like wearing a wedding dress at someone else's wedding. Not against the law, but the one who did it deserve mocking."
That's a social faux pas, assuming the person is invited to the wedding. Not immoral.
"Scoring movies in IMDB that he didn't finish makes no sense."
It makes lots of sense. His viewers can see what movies *might* be best avoided given their limited time. That's valuable to them.
"Imagine a food critic saying "I give the potatoes a 7/10, but I didn't try the beef, but you may like it.""
I'm imagining it. What's the problem?
"He excuses by saying it's his way of marking it as "seen", but there are thousands of alternatives. Just use a spreadsheet."
Then his fans wouldn't have access to it as easily, and like I said, they get utility from it.
"Also Adam is a stranger to me, I don't owe him my kindness, just like he doesn't owe me his content."
So, don't watch and don't check his IMDB list. Or do that, and be annoyed. I don't care.
you take twitter comments too seriously. I really don't think this justifies this much of a response even. Your channel, do whatever you want. Review the first 3 seconds of a film.
The fact that this even became a controversy is just mind boggling. Just accept the fact that he’s a human being with opinions and a brain
Adam can do whatever the fuck he wants with his reviews. People need to get a life and stop policing things that are supposed to be fun.
I want a 5-hour video of him reviewing every movie he didn't complete.
if Adam can do what he wants ...then why people that disagree with him can’t?
@@unmixedunmastered2810 they can disagree all they want. But people a ton of people are questioning his character and integrity, it isn't right. It's fucking gaslighting, and it makes him (fans, and people with hearts) feel awful. What's the goal here?? Make Adam kill himself?
People who think it's right to bombard people with pointless criticism are sick in the head. Social media could be a good thing but it's become a cancer to society.
IT'S. A. MOVIE. REVIEW.
Why do people care what he does that much? Literally get a life.
@@innovade7887 You should take your own advice buddy, cus it ain't that deep.
Get a life.
@@unmixedunmastered2810 Or like... maybe i actually care about people's feelings. Lol
@@innovade7887and now start caring about getting yourself a life and then you're good
Does anyone recall the name of the movie that is recontextualized in the last 20 minutes? He talks about it around the 19:00 mark. Would love to check it out
Twitter is absolutely terrible, and it's a shame Adum has to use it for work reasons I guess
5 hours of Adam not getting the point.
To clarify I have seen 20 minutes of the video but that is my review/Impression of it!
6/10
Did you skip around tho?
This is exactly the point. Will nobody else acknowledge the absolute irony that YMS Highlights uploads a "debate" lasting twice as long as any film Adam would have to watch? Adam could have watched 2 films within the time it took him to address not watching films in their entirety. Gawd, this is so stupid!
I suggest adding "DNF" for "Did Not Finish" to the scoring. Everything else was clear, almost thought I misheard him not finishing the movie when he scored. DNF 4/10.
There's no option for this when submitting one's vote on IMDB.
I don’t understand this mentality. He already said he didn’t finish the movie so what is the point of the DNF score?
But Adam, what if the last 30 milliseconds of a film presents the exact audiovisual stimuli that would invariably make any audience member coom? You are doing a disservice to the movie, your fans, and quite frankly yourself by not watching to the point that the projector shuts off.
(Satire)
i think a lot of people not liking YMS doing stuff like this is because he's kind of a taste maker as a critic. Wether you like it or not, people steal the opinions of critics or just media figures in general. It's really about, imo, them not wanting to be in the minority of liking a film or not liking someone going against the grain of liking the popular media
I never understood this. I've been watching Adam for years and I've disagreed on quite a few movies. I thought the 2014 Godzilla was awful and Adam liked it a lot. Theres also Inside Out which I found really touching but Adam didn't like at all. You don't need to change your opinions because a guy with a big youtube channel says so.
I hate that argument, when I heard it in the video it baffled me. That's not a critic's problem, if someone decides to steal other people's opinions on art they're not going to watch then is there any responsibility to make sure they hypothetically like some movies a bit better because a critic spoke a bit more positively about it? They've made a decision to not form their own opinions, I don't see any point to making sure their phony opinions are coming from a more “authentic experience,” they're still deciding to have no opinion of their own. Why should anyone else be making sure those stolen opinions are any different than they currently are? It just rings of infantilization to say someone needs to take up someone else's responsibility to think for themselves. Very silly.
@@nackskott12 to be clear i wasn't saying I'm pro-that thing i described. i made a description not a prescription. just being clear
@@Jo-bs2uu Sure, I read it as you describing that position that other people hold and I think your characterisation is dead on.
Just embarrassing that people would hold such a position because if you stop and think about it for half a second it should be self-evident how worthless and pedantic a take it is.
@@nackskott12 gotcha i just like to not leave any interpretative wiggle room because people look for any excuse to fight. But yeah, the idea that art is like a popularity contest is pretty gross. Policing of taste and experience is a bad idea in general in my opinion.
Anyone get the impression that the people "defending" this position just wanted the chance to be on stream with Adum?
Is this what it's like to be on twitter? This was exhausting and i had the feeling that everybody that argumented with adum was so learn resistent.
Yes, this debate is a good example of what Twitter discourse is like 24/7. It's a hellsite.
The wildest take is that some people think Adum has an obligation to random strangers as a reviewer and not just to himself in good faith.
I think Adam didn't do himself any favours with the comparisons he made to Gordon Ramsey not needing to finish the whole plate. With a dish you can just sample a little bit of everything on the plate right away, unlike a movie where you must watch it in sequence to experience everything. I think ppl on twitter picked up on the uneven analogy and jumped on it.
Yeah, it is a terrible analogy. Better analogy would be the cooking itself. The recipe calls for a particular set of ingredients added over the course of frying everything in a pan. If Adam says, "I didn't add these ingredients because I didn't have time" then he is betraying the original recipe. The food might still taste good, but cannot be judge according to its original recipe.
@@whattheegad I would actually argue that no analogy is terribly useful. A movie is a movie: a piece of media over an hour long that aims to keep the watcher entertained until the end. If someone stops the movie halfway through because it didn't achieve that in their view, then that's a valid opinion to share their movie reviewing channel. I also think it's fair for them to want to give it a score, as long as they are transparent that they didn't finish, which Adam has always been.
On the other hand, I think its fair to disagree with this way to review films. But the correct thing to do is to unsub to Adam and then leave it alone, not campaign on social media calling him a fraud.
@@seraphini1248 I disagree, if someone said to me that their meal was so awful that they couldn't finish it, it would be clear to me that no amount of strawberry juice or side capers would be enough to make the meal palatable. The fact that they didn't finish it is useful information.
But again, I think it is not useful to use food analogies here. Movies are different from food, and they are consumed in different ways. When Adam says he didn't finish a movie, that clearly conveys that the part he watched did not interest him enough to last until the end, and while I can understand how others may not find that useful as a review, I do and so do the majority of his audience. So I don't see any problem with it, especially within the context that he only does it when he's doing a roundup of the Oscars or film festivals.
@@seraphini1248 Yeah, exactly, which is why I say those food analogies don't really work for movie reviews, hence my original comment. But just because I think his analogy was poor doesn't mean I don't side with Adam on the matter as a whole. I just think there would have been better ways to argue his case.
Appreciate the description dude, so ready to move in from this
I'll just say I hope you don't adopt a "Could not finish/10" because of pressure.
You already say you don't finish those movies, plus the rating helps contextualize the different movies you don't finish. Like, a 3/10 didn't finish vs. a 5/10 didn't finish just isn't the same.
It's not so bizarre when you realize that individuals tend to respond emotionally rather than rationally to these sorts of things. Art (which film is) is very personal. It's subjective, like you said. For this reason, people often treat cherished works of art as extensions of themselves. The art (film, painting, novel, etc.) expresses something in you that you were unable to articulate. When someone criticizes a work of art you love, it can feel very personal, like you yourself are being criticized. People get defensive. They might turn self-righteous. None of this justifies the response Adam has received on Twitter (I'm pretty much entirely on his side). I just think it explains some of that response.
Ya especially if they're feeling hurt that Adam rated something they liked poorly, they're seeing this as a golden opportunity to invalidate his opinions, yknow what i mean?
Your point is invalid when you bring up the art is subjective take. You do realize that adam believes that art is subjective.
@@lampad4549 Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with anything Adam said in the video. I think all of the points he made are correct. I'm simply offering a possible explanation for why some people have responded irrationally to the fact that some of the films Adam discussed in his Oscars video were films he didn't finish.
I wish we could do a better job of encouraging people to not do this and chill out about other people's opinions on art. No art appeals to everyone and that's fine. The only question should be whether or not the critique is honest, I can understand being a bit peeved if someone is just incorrect in what they say about art, like if they get the text of it wrong - I.e. “this character is cowardly and weak willed” when their character arc is about them being too hot-blooded and confrontational, for example. That's fine to take shots at imo but nobody owes approval of art or to complete it, I just want the criticism to be correct.
@@nackskott12 Sure. I'm not encouraging people to respond in this emotional way. I'm just offering an explanation for why they might be responding in this way.
This whole situation is really dumb, and Adam getting so defensive over it is a little embarrassing, honestly. This doesn't need a debate stream. It doesn't even need to be another TH-cam video. It's a nontroversy that's mostly amplified by Adam making a bigger deal about it than it needs to be. I like Adam, but come on.
So true he's made himself look a fool doing all this over a stupid debate
exactly. Adum was talkin about how stupid it was for this to be controversy, but he did everything to pedal it into one. Like who gives af. I myself find it a bit odd that he rates movies he didn't finish, but it's not something he should be called out for like wtf
i think it was pretty fun.
I love Adam but he's an internet personality/content creator and shouldn't be seen as a legitimate critic.
He uploads more highlights of his twitch than does anything actually review related and thats fine. But if he wants that credibility then this isn't the way to get it.
Deadass, it was very confusing. I didn't even know this was going on until Adam pulled out a microphone on the whole thing.
At the most, he should've just been "That's how I consume media, sorry if you don't dig it". This whole campaign to defend himself made it seem like the detractors had an actual point lol
Yeah, I had to watch Sausage Party in EIGHT chunks, just in order to finish it. I knew after the first 10-15 minutes, that it wouldn´t be for me. Sometimes finishing a movie really isn´t worth it.....
@@seraphini1248 Exactly!
@@seraphini1248 I want to hear about those movies if the person who is talking about them is engaging to me. I think criticism, reviews, rating videos, etc. can be entertaining on thier own. Even if the subject matter alone wouldn't be (again, personally speaking).
I would assume given how large of an audience watches his reviews (and other channels) that I wouldn't be alone in that.
If the argument truly is about whether a review is "worth it" or not, then surely we can at least agree that people value things differently and therefore it is "worth" reviewing to some (if not, a lot of) people.
He could make a IMDb list for "tried to watch/couldn't finish" I guess, when he talks about the site not having that feature.
Highlights channel posts 5 hour long video because every minute of this stream was gold
They literally don’t even watch the fucking channel. It’s just Debate Bros getting mad about a single tweet. What the fuck man.
I just want to say I really appreciate being able to experience your content as a podcast and watch it with the video later for a different experience.
Mauler and Fringy were such a palate cleanser to close out their video. It's clear that they do want to think of "reviewing" as a bit more formal of a process than YMS, but even when they hit on something they disagree, they feel no need to go on the offensive or try to diminish other people being shitty to him. There's still that frustrating "I bet this wouldn't have happened if you didn't call them reviews in the first place" moment, but it's only frustrating as the capstone to a 5-hour stream of much less genuine people repeating that point ad nauseam. Mauler and Fringy's tone doesn't come across as victim-blamy like the guy before them.
EFAP came out of this looking very mature and good. Jeb bless.
I didn't even know this was a controversy until Adam talked about it a bunch. It really isn't that big a deal. It didn't deserve a damn near 5 hour video.
Twitter is a hell site that’s where everyone lost their minds at adum.
an actual good argument they could have brought up is "what if second half of the movie is better than the first" which ive had happen to me a lot
If he doesn't even get 1/5th the way through a movie (i.e. West Side Story), he shouldn't be giving it a score, even if he admits to not finishing it.
In no universe can he claim to have "seen" the movie. He should just say he didn't see it. Problem solved.
The argument that him "reviewing" movies he didn't finish is so stupid. He has always been transparent and let people know when he hasn't finished the films and had he not openly admitted to not watching the whole thing, NO ONE WOULD KNOW. So the argument that he is being deceptive falls apart when it's built on evidence he made public, and yet there are many reviewers that put out reviews and don't disclose when they haven't finished watching the film, or playing the game, and THAT is deceptive.
Personally I don't feel you have to finish watching the movie, TV show, or playing the game your reviewing to give an accurate review anyways. Like if I hated the first hour and a half of a movie, chances are that the last 30 minutes won't change that opinion.
I can already see the tweets from the people who went hard on you say that they don't have the time to watch this.
I dislike the content where Adum only watches about half a film and still provides a rating, but that doesn't mean he should stop doing it. People can like or dislike whatever they want, and he should be allowed to express himself how he likes.
Holy shit four hours?!
five
Giving MauLer a run for his money.
Here's the kicker: calculate how many films he could have finished in four hours. Kinda defeats the entire purpose of having a four-hour debate, yeah?
Tbh I thought the title was referring to the fact that the Lion King video is still not out..
Imagine how much editing he could have gotten done in that length of time. How ironic is it that he'll spend precious time talking about not completing movies or editing reviews but he won't spend precious time doing those exact things.
4:05:35 Fringy makes a good point here, as Yahtzee (zero punctuation) has released videos on games he did not finish either. AC:Odyssey for example, and thats an important point he makes in that scenario as to why.
How is that an important point?
@@lampad4549 It's not. But because Fringy said it, it must be a good point. That's how that works, see?
So I find it valuable to hear that someone couldn’t get into a movie enough to finish it and hearing their reasons why BUT I do tend consider a number rating reflective of a complete work and not applicable to a partial watch. Just my two cents.
I personally don’t watch YMS for movie ratings…I watch it for Adum’s content. It’s hilarious and entertaining…I don’t care if he didn’t finish a movie and shares his opinion on it…I think most YMS fans feel this way…I think it’s a sign of good faith to open a debate on this subject, but Adum isn’t arguing with his fans…he’s arguing with people who love being outraged over nothing…and they will move on to a new subject to be angry about tomorrow…
An interesting saga, thanks for editing all this together!
I don't understand why anyone would be outraged at this. It's not like he works for a newspaper or website or something, this is HIS CHANNEL HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS! If you don't agree with that format, then don't watch him.
People who watch him for his opinion, I wouldn't think, would actually care.
This is so funny. These debates just go around in circles with Adam constantly saying the same thing and these guys not understanding the point at all. 😂
Well. I was making a work playlist to listen to for today.
And now it's this video.
This was inevitable. Surprised it was only about half as long as the Lion King review will be
18:40 what movie is he talking about ?
I watched King Richard all the way through and you were very right to want to leave.
The Italian guy has the worst takes. Using the same argument, what if Adam gave a movie a 9 and the person absolutely hated it? Then is Adam still doing a disservice by rating too high? Not sure if he had much context or it was a language barrier, but he didn't fundamentally understand why Adam was rating for his partial viewings. This isn't a systemic issue with his channel. It would be like watching Cinema Sins and taking away the fact that every movie they gloss over is bad because they only talk about the bad parts.
I'm just here to say CSs don't even just bring up the "bad parts", they just bring up the things they can make running jokes out of.
i remenber seeing Adum giving Call me by your Name an explendid review and i stoped to watch it. It was not a bad movie, but not for me. I believe he gave a 9/10, where for me it was a 7 at best.
It was my way of knowing for sure not all my interestes allign with Adum, i allready had a interest in the movie, but i was not giving it time, and his 9/10 really sold it to me, but we are diferent persons. Sometimes Adum gives a movie a 7 and it´s a masterpiece for me, but usually i will only check out because he gave it a 7(even a 5 in some cases) in the first place and his small review helped me decide if i really should watch it or not. So for me, partial reviews are really inportant
If a movie is so boring to begin with you can't even finish it, that is worth sharing. Maybe the last act is absolutely amazing but a movie, as the 4th guy said, is more than the sum of its parts. Failing to entertain from the beginning is not good film making, and Adam sharing that is worth something. Especially since he's being very clear about.
There is so much wrong with the complaints Adam is getting here it's not even worth going over all of them.
Adum creating his own ‘controversies’ is hilarious, like a trainwreck
I also tend to do that with your reviews, usually if I like something, I tend to assume you're going to be harsher on it than I am, so when you say something "is just ok", I usually think "oh wow, I'm probably gonna love this movie"
What’s funny to me is how so many people of film twitter were judging a marriage story just off of that one fight scene and then they pull this shit
What's even funnier is that I've seen, in Adam's own comment section, people going "If you didn't like this movie, then why did you watch it?" Yes, these are all different people with different viewpoints, but it really highlights just how impossible it is to please everybody. No matter what you do, you're always gonna get angry people breathing down your neck.
19:00 Pretty sure it's One Cut of the Dead. And yes if you think the first 45 minutes are really underwhelming, it's all part of the plan :p
The plan is to make you sit through a bad movie to get to a good movie? Why not just be good from the beginning?
@@ralelunar It is good from the beginning. You just don't have enough information as a viewer from the start to fully contextualize what you're seeing.
That’s what this is about? I thought everyone was mad because he said he’d play Yakuza Kiwami in a year and it’s been 16 months.
Goddamn you're right
You don't need to watch all the The Emoji Movie to know its a pile of shit, or Batman & Robin. Its not like at the 45 minute mark its going to become Scorsese quality. Is this guy genuinely saying that Master of Disguise is worthy of attention? The argument clearly falls apart in the face of actual examples of terrible films. I can't even believe that an argument in opposition to this would be good faith.
not adam comparing the population of italy to a movie... did i hallucinate that? i'm nearly 2 hours in lmao
I think the number score is the issue. Because yes at the time you say that you didn't watch it all, but if I asked someone "oh what score did yms give 'x' movie" they might say the score and not add that info. But if you just say "I didn't watch all of it" they could only say "he didn't watch all of it". There is no room for misinterpretation. I think you are presuming that people wouldn't look up your score as a shorthand and not watch the video, but that probably happens a lot.
I dont think people have a problem with reviewing movies you haven't finished. I think its using ratings on a movie you didn't finish. How can someone judge a movie numerically if it wasn't finished? If it gets better does it go up more? If you didn't finish is there a cap on the rating? Does the rating go up if you watched half instead 20mins? There's alot of stuff to think about.
When will Adam reveal that he's only seen the trailer for Synedoche NY ?
Such weird debate opponents. Pretty much everyone of them goes: "I don't know you or what you're about, but I'm very opinionated about reviewers not finishing movies or something, anyway tell me what this drama is about because I don't know". Debate bros just looking around everywhere to argue about anything.
i wonder how people could criticize Adum for not finishing movies after he watched the entirety of kimba as a detour of a lion king review
nothing communicates more clearly that people aren't familiar with the actual content than thinking someone's going to stumble half way into an hour long cluster review and absorb an opinion on one of the movies as unwatchable
I hope Adum don't stop giving his thoughts on movies he couldn't finish if they where bad. I find them useful and it's one of a few that talks about indie films with not awfully bad audio, video and he can put together his thoughts in a clear way
This controversy is absurd. Everyone does this. When have you not watched a show for movie or started listening to an album or read a book, gave up half-way through and subsequently made a judgement or criticism about that media? We do this all the time.
As a for-instance; I read somewhere between 30 and 60 books and year---not as much as I would like but that's what it is---Often when I start reading a book I don't much enjoy, one that's not working for me, I am not going to read through a hundred, two hundred, three hundred or a thousand more pages to either confirm or deny whether this book that isn't working for me, isn't working for me.
I got other shit to do and you know what? I will make a judgement about the book, about it's writing, about the characters, the plot and how it was presented/delivered. And that's fine as well. Because I consumed it, it is now a part of my brain and my brain has made judgements about it, which I obviously found lacking,. Will I present my experience to someone else as definitive or covering the whole of the material? No, but neither does Adam.
What's the problem?
Lets be honest, there wouldnt really be backlash (or less of) if he didnt finish 2-3 movies but i think many people including me was just a bit surprised sith how many. But honestly not something thats going to make me think differently about Adum, especially when you realise how many movies he had to watch.
1:34:13 no mention was made regarding the frequency with which you walk out of/give up on movies in that specific quote right there. The phrasing was vague enough so that anybody reading it in bad faith or without proper context could have easily misconstrued your intended meaning and just make their own assumptions.
I’m with you on everything else, just you mentioning there’s no way to misinterpret that tweet kinda stood out to me as clearly incorrect
1:52:07 ~ I hate that kind of argument where he's basically saying "Other people mimic you so your responsible for them." I've never liked that argument. Inciting a riot is one thing, but Adum's never been going for a charismatic domination direction with his channel.
This is more akin to, say, some random person decides to mimic you out of nowhere and everything you do. You know they will mimic everything you do, so are you now responsible for every action they take because they are only mimicking you? If you eat peanutbutter and they have an extreme allergy and die, did you kill them?
No. They're the one who decided to eat the peanutbutter and do that to themselves.
He is devaluing the agency of others and throwing responsibility onto Adum, who never asked for it.
The biggest underlying issue between both sides appears to be the review watcher’s responsibility. Specifically, to what extent should the watcher be responsible in determining for themselves what constitutes a fair review. If a person doesn’t think that assessing a movie after watching only part of it counts as a fair review, they are entitled to that opinion and should disregard those parts of Adam’s videos. If a reviewer thinks there’s merit in disclosing the reasons they didn’t finish a movie, they are entitled to do so; it is up to the consumer of the review to determine where they lie in the spectrum of completely disregarding the comments and basing their whole opinion on it. As long as the reviewer discloses any circumstances affecting the context of their statements, they are within their right to state them. If people are worried that some viewers may not be able to figure out where on that spectrum they lie, they should focus their attention more on promoting media literacy and critical thinking than suppressing the media at hand.
I disagree with YMS, he's a decent reviewer but saying "I was bored by the first 30 minutes of a film so I stopped" it might have got really good after that and if then the first 30 mins might be better on re-watch knowing the ending. The Gift is a Joel Edgerton movie I hated until the mid-way twist which changes everything and made the first half make sense. Even Nightmare Alley was an ok movie, but the very ending of it made me appreciate the story much more and like it more. If YMS was doing this with a dumb Adam Sandler comedy it would be one thing, but doing it with festival movies is unfair. however if he's not doing it for his main reviews I guess this is harmless
Being a film reviewer in youtube has the good balance of observation, analysis and their own unique reaction based on their experience (personal views). Not leaning on the sides of extremes, when it comes to professional and personal views. Their credibility is more on balanced state of extremes and their personal transparency. People are treating his reviews and methods in a strange standard, it would probably make sense if it was a professional film reviewer.
One of the arguments that was prominent on twitter over this was that if you don't finish a film and review it, then it isn't a real "review." This might be semantics but I can't find a definition of "review" that requires that you give your perspective of the media in it's entirety. Generally it's accepted that reviews are mostly comprehensive, but not always 100%.
I'd agree that the general standards for reviews is that they're complete perspectives of the entire content, but they don't always have to be. And it's fair if someone doesn't value a partial review over a complete one, but definitionally they would still both be reviews.
I gotta give props to Adam's patience with people. I would've blown up at the third guy out of frustration.
It doesn't bother me that Adum doesn't finish some movie because whenever he doesn't he makes it very clear that he didn't watch all of it. Any person with a half a brain would know to take his rating on any unfinished movie as not definitive or 100% accurate but more general. If he didn't make it so clear, yeah it'd be a problem. But as it stands I see nothing wrong as long as he keeps telling us he didn't watch the full thing before or after the rating.
“Hi I’m Twitter, and this is a ridiculous controversy.”
3:10:00 This actually happened with a professional review of Uncharted 4 lol
In the review, the author points out that they hadn't played the released game (only that he tried a demo at E3 way before the game came out) and the review is spent on criticizing the previous Uncharteds, despite still scoring Uncharted 4.
I'm not sure if it ended up being deleted after the backlash, but it was removed from Metacritic iirc.