Alan Wake Was Deeper Than You Remember
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I like how, at one point of the game, a manuscript page talks about how the dark place feeds on the creativity of artist. The rockers, Alan and Zane needed that dark unconscious to inspire their art as much as the dark place needed them. The game plays a lot with that paradox of "what came first?"
It's implied it was first
Man, I can’t believe Carl Jung made Alan Wake. What an epic gamer.
The earlier you get familiar with his works, the sooner you realize how influental his ideas were.
@@cybernet343 dude was way ahead of his time
@@howardhavardramberg333 meh, it's rebranded astrology
@@samcherry120Nah, Astrology is rebranded Jung.
he also made persona xD
I thought it’s not a lake; it’s an ocean had to do with the relationship of the dark presence with reality. A lake is surrounded by land. An ocean surrounds land. The presence isn’t isolated in the lake, the presence isolates him and he’s adrift in it.
Sam Lake actually explained it on reddit a while ago "It’s bigger than a lake. The lake is just a hole to get to the ocean. It’s boundless, our world is just an island in that ocean."
That is so cool
After Alan Wake 2 was announced, i decided to finally play the first one. I couldn't believe how long i sat on this game. Super stoked for the second game.
Play Control if you haven't already since it follows up where AW leaves off. Quantum Break touches on Alan a bit too.
@@traceyrinaldi4759 they definitely should check out Control, because Alan Wake is featured heavily in the dlcs. Quantum Break it was more of a teaser of Alan Wake 2 hence why Saga Anderson is also featured
@@traceyrinaldi4759 I've played control but not the dlc yet. Really need to get around to doing that.
@@traceyrinaldi4759 just got it on sale on Steam. Never heard of it, but loved Alan Wake and it's DLCs.
same
as a massive Stephen King fan (and also being a writer myself), this game was basically tailor made for me.
There are so many things to love about it, small details, character interactions but also just ambiance that fully draws you in.
I really hope more people give the first game a chance. There is nothing that can keep me from playing part two. I have waited so loooong, I started to feel like the old lady in Titanic.
Interesting, if it's okay with you, can I have a look at some of your works?
Somehow, I wish less combat focused levels... the original HAD some quiet parts, not many to be honest. The Twin Peak vibes are really cool, the short miniseries of Alan Wake was also cool.
This game was actually inspired by the tv show twin peaks
It’s got twin peaks/Stephen king and Hp Lovecraft influences. Remedy games is something special with a pretty specific mission and they have my applause (and money) for that
Same! I love King and write horror stories too so this game was so special to me. In my top 10 ever.
"Alan Wake Was Deeper Than You Remember" Well, of course. It is not a lake, it's an ocean.
"There's over 65 billion pigs and chickens in the world!" While swinging an axe at me from nowhere. I almost shit my pants.
The story was excellent, and that part where you are at the old stage of the Old Gods of Asgard sticks with me all this time after playing the game
I just played the second half of the game on Thursday and that segment was the most badass thing ever. What a joyful scene! My friend and I were right there with Barry shouting about how awesome the whole thing was 😁
It truly was The Ashtray Maze of AW1
@@Chlocean Literally just started that game today, looking forward to it
I thought it said "Lan Wake"
Same😂
SAME!!!
It's Alan's long lost brother, he's still asleep
I'm glad I'm not the only one!
Lan Mind.
Why Alan Wake 2 will be a great game:
1. Its Remedy
2. They made Max Payne
I knew he wasn't gonna make it thru the video without mentioning synchronicity
I like to write stories. Not saying I'm great at it, but the stuff Alan Wake speaks to about how a story takes a life of its own as you create it and you have to have an ebb and flow with it is something I find so true. But the main reason I love Alan Wake? It's so much goddamn fun!
It's great to see you shed light upon one of my favorite games ever. I certainly hope Alan Wake 2 gets the support it deserves. Great upload, as usual. Thanks!
Everything already exists. But the ocean only coughs up what we can begin to name.
I love how much of a love letter to Twin Peaks this game is.
Again, it's not a lake, it's an ocean. EDIT, for me personally, it was my already established love of Lynch/Twin Peaks that got me hooked into Alan Wake. Bookhouse Boys for life!
Dylan references Alan Wake writing about a NY cop (Alex Casey) who is real in another reality in the form of Max Payne. Name of one of the novels is "The fall of Casey" which is a direct reference to the title of the 2nd game "The fall of Max Payne". I read somewhere that in early production of the Max Payne game his name was actually Alex Casey before they changed it to Max. So with Rockstar having all the publishing rights to Max Payne it makes sense for Remedy to use their early version of that character. With Sam Lake and James McCaffrey reuniting to play Casey in Alan Wake 2 it all but confirms that he is a version of Max Payne.
In relation to this, we need to talk about how this relates to the relationship of the Supernal Triangle in Qabbalistic philosophy.
In regard to the Jungian Shadow, it's definitely worth checking out the small episode/sequel Alan Wake: American Nightmare. It continues Alan's struggle to write himself out of the dark place, but the adversary is the manifestation of Alan's own Jungian shadow, an "evil" Alan named Mr. Scratch. One of the first television sets you find is a recording of Mr. Scratch mocking Alan for not having the balls to use his fame and fortune to get the things he really wants before he strangles a captive to death "for kicks".
Can't wait. Alan Wake was such an incredible experience
A friend told me that Alan Wake's story is nothing special, the same guy tried to convince me that Mass Effect Andromeda has a good story...
Lel
Holy shit....I almost don't wanna believe you friend is a real person.
Even tho I am a lifelong gamer, I have completed only a handful of games and Alan Wake was one of them. Even now I can distinctly remember sections of that game even tho I only spent probably ten hours playing it in a sea of over ten-thousand hours of gaming
I played Alan Wake on PC for the first time about 5 years ago. I was amazed and completely lost in the world of Remedy after that: playing through Max Payne, Control and Quantum Break within a few weeks. I really feel like they transcend video games.
Amazing video 🔥🔥
For me... Alan Wake is not just a game... Its story and purpose are very deep and philosophical... This is why I love Alan Wake to the core ❤
I really hope for similar videos about Alan Wake and the world of Remedy.
Thanks for this in-depth explanation...
Even the dev commentary notes its about storytelling
You really made me realize that It was intentional that It felt like I was ''Polaris'' while playing Control, as In I Polaris was taking control of Jesse Faden. Sam Lake has actually created a meta-verse linked to our universe and It's amazing that you've picked up on that. Great video man!
never played Alan Wake but I recently picked up the remaster when I saw it was on sale. I think I'm finally gonna dig into it this weekend
The primordial void before the universe being mathematics, symbols, words, and objects etc is definitely heavily inspired by Plato and his theory of forms.
Oh wait, Jung? "It's not an ocean, it's a.. Palace!" "AAAH A TALKING CAT" "I am NOT a cat!"
I've been waiting on a true sequel to Alan Wake since American nightmare came out. Can't wait to see how it turns out
I am watching this video after playing through the entirety of Alan Wake 2 and I have to give you massive props because the ending statements of the video are absolutely on point with what the underlying message of the game is. Bravo
As a musician, this game makes me want to write my way from my own dark place.
Alan wake s american nightmare is quite short game as it is or a long standalone DLC if you will. It mainly depicts one of Alans efforts/story of a twilling-esque tv show, to escape the dark place but the dark presence, lets call it avatar, mr scratch keeps taunting him and plays the role of Alan shadow. Making doubt as while Alan is trapped this shadow Alan is the one back in the real world doing the worst.
Just finished, you told this so amazingly well! Back when the game first came out (It was the first game I got on my Xbox 360) I had a tradition every Sunday with some buddies where the four of us would get together and play Alan Wake. If you died, you passed the controller and let the next person play and so forth. Part of the joy of that story was sharing it with my friends because we talked about what we thought was happening during the story. As someone that is interested in one day being published I can say I was especially drawn to Alan as he was a writer. As I played through I knew I loved the premise of the Dark Presence, but never quite put my finger on what it could represent, until I listened to your video. Thank you for explaining it so well. I would like to have heard a few of your thoughts on the American Nightmare DLC style game that came out for Alan Wake but aside from that perfect video! 😎
My Xbox 360 came with Alan wake
Keep in mind I grew up on silent hill
Dear god was I not ready for the most immersive and horrific story without there being over done gore or cliche story telling
It was haunting and gravitating
Max, what the hell was that?
>How do I convince new playerbase to play old game?
>Spoilers ahead, go play game
I mean...
I had bought Alan Wake over a year ago on sale after really enjoying Control and wanting more. I didn't love it or continue past the first couple hours. After seeing how well pt. 2 was received, I felt the impulse to play that- so I went ahead and played through part 1 since I already had it. I ended up really enjoying part 1 and was glad to have played it through before playing part 2. I do think they did a good enough job with pt.2 that a pt.1 playthrough isn't required, but I think it helps still.
My read on the story was that Alan must be the creation of tom. Alan is the "Scratch" version of the first Tom that got out and made a life of his own. Like Alan was a creation of the dark place- using the work and body of Tom to bring new minds back to the lake. His creations and fame would drive interest in his disappearance- which would bring lots of creative and investigatory minds to the lake. like flies to flypaper.
Or possibly tom doesn't/never existed except as a dark place phantom to haunt and push Alan- as Toms creations seem to only exist outside the dark place via the shoe-boxes and local lore (storytelling) surrounding the lake.
Never had a chance to play Alan Wake when it released as I didn't have an Xbox, but decided to give it a go once it was remastered to PS4 and I am so glad I did.
The game really surprised me with how clever and bizarre it was and it is easily one of the best gaming experiences I have had.
Amazing video my dude. And I cannot wait to see what they do in the sequel. Especially after playing all of Control just a few weeks ago.
Damn son I need to go back and play Alan Wake. I played it twice when I was like 14, super entertaining game. I never played the dlc but American Nightmare is great too.
It's actually got very similar notes to The Outer Wilds when you think about it. Alan Wake being in the dark place and focusing on these words, bringing them into focus and reality is similar to the conscious observer viewing something of infinite possibilities forcing it to collapse into a single possibility.
15:09 Scratch is Alan's shadow in both a figurative and literal sense.
I recall buying Alan Wake on a whim and playing it at the “party house” every day after work. We called it the party house cause it was a house that we lived in and partied at.
Roommates and friends would gather around and watch me play throughout last of us style
I still remember that first nightmare chapter and knew it was going to be something special!
I have such fond memories of this game
I don't even have to watch the whole video to agree with it .... Alan Wake sent me down a path that no medium could. As an artistic soul, I can't be grateful for it, but I do appreciate it it. It's been tumultuous navigating through the horror of the genre, the philosophy of the mirroring of the experience, the depth of the creativity of such a mind, but it's made me more appreciative of the art form, and forms, that are not respected, and understood, or even recognized as such, that are only taken for granted like it's entertainment. While I might be mistaken ... There is no doubt in my mind that Alan Wake 1 was an archetypal story in it's own right.
That is a really great video. I just played trough original Alan Wake and when playing I wasn't even thinking about the story being so deep. This analysis made me think more about the story in game and wanna play other parts as well. Thank you!
It was “just” a lake at one point. When Alan writes “it’s not a lake, it’s an ocean” he gives Dark Presence access to many other words. And births Remedy-verse. Control is a story that Alan wrote in to existence. By writing stories, Alan is hoping to access/create a world where he is free from the Dark Presence and can live in normal world. Except that it seems that Alan will probably never return to the normal world and regain sense of normality he once had.
oh yeah that's breaking the 4th wall, Alan Wake struggle 13 years as Sam Lake struggle for 13 years for this game to happen. That's why when you asked Sam Lake about the game his so passionate that he can't wait for us to try the game :)
I miss this content about Jung and the Collective Unconscious..
Is it me, or that Alan Wake looks like John Wick in that black suit?
I first played Alan wake 4 or 5 years ago and have been a hardcore fan every since. This video really helped piece together some things I didn't quite understand, like the last line in the main game Alan says. Thank you for this, it's spot on
I always had the intention of playing Alan Wake... I'm a survival horror fan, a fan of the freaky-type of mystery horror Alan Wake offers, etc.
It got a bit more once Control came out and rumors started on the sequel.
Then even more once Alan Wake 2 was announced.
Then even more once Alan Wake 2 was reviewed to THAT regard.
Final nail for me was the musical performance (at TGA).
At that point I was like: Okay, now I have to play it all. And sooner, rather than later.
Why I didn't play the first game yet is rather simple, I was close to 10 when the game first came out. It is hard to go back to older games, unless it is a franchise you already played and grew up with. As with me with Metroid, Zelda or Final Fantasy.
Just started playing it again with my first-timer girlfriend... She's blown away by it ❤
My answer would be that the game is very good as third person shooter but also that it is like playing a literary masterpiece where there are many themes and double meaning you would usually find in some of the great stories you are asked to analyse in literature class. Thats not something everyone will like but it is a very enjoyable experience if you like thinking on a game.
I played this game in a day when I was like 10 or 11 home alone just me and a pizza and it's one of my favorite childhood memories
12:39 Personal experience: My father is taking my in his motorcycle to a restaurant, getting close to the restaurant, my mind show me a image of Kelly (a cousin that I hate so much) my experience told me that is impossible, I need think something relate it to have a small percentage to remember her… on the way I want told that to my father but in that moment I saw her in the street, 5 sec later of that thought of her, I explain him about that experiences, we couldn’t resolve that mystery
the more vids i watch like this, the more puzzle pices i seem to be able to gather to make a grand picture :)
Now if only we could peak Max’s interest in the way of the samurai franchise. His philosophical itch I’m sure would be continuously scratched if he ever broke the surface.
6:55 whoaa, good placement of the Half-Life 1 OST
It’s not a lake it’s an ocean is a simple concept. It is a realization that the large presence in the dark place is not as big as it seems because it’s connected to far larger presences out there. The dark place is not a small contained lake, it’s part of a massive ocean of similar but different parts.
Control made that speculation a fact with how the events of Alan Wakes story is just one doorway connected to many others. One lake connected to the ocean. Confusing if one only played the game once and doesn't question what such a line could mean. Obvious to anyone who’s been exposed to connected universes, drastically expanding stories and concepts or multiverse storytelling. Which, who isn’t by now?
Who’s ”Lan Wake”?
I played Alan Wake on a whim when it was on game pass. And now? Oh man. I'm invested in seeing how Alan Wake 2 plays out now that Alan's been playing 4D chess with the power of the lake. After all, he wrote the events of Control in motion. Why do you think the Hiss is so similar to the Dark Presence?
The captivating ocean cannot be ignored. Namaste and love from India! 🙏🇮🇳☮️☮️
What makes reality unbearable is our words seemingly do nothing to alter it. All this poetry - all that sound and fury - having no impact. Creatives, especially writers, often feel like they're banging their heads against a concrete wall.
The Dark Place reverses that, and is terrifying.
Playstation plus has it for free this month, i played through it for the first time and fell in love. I didn’t know the people who made it made control.
Now that you bring up the concept of collective unconscious and it's connection to the Darkness, it makes me think that the Pale from Disco Elysium isn't all too dissimilar from the concept. The difference being that the Pale is described as an unnatural, harmful force that wouldn't exist without humanity, and the Darkness is treated as a natural force that can be bent towards the will of people who are aware of the truth. It just kinda *is* until someone like Tom or Alan come into contact with it and affect reality with it.
Both great concepts. I love the world building in both universes
I dont think anyone talks about the muliple levels of artistic influence fusing into one story enough. The original poet, the 60s metal songs telling of the current novelists journey. Ive tried explaining why this works so well to people but im not nearly articulate enough to do so. The soundtrack alone with the metal ballads as stand alone tracks is phenomenal.
I loved both Alan Wake and Control. I'm hoping to see some more crossover. Any other games or whatever that yall would recommend?
Quantum Break has some aspects of the lore hidden throughout
just those 2 Alan Wake isn't really connected to anything else unless you want to see Easter eggs or teasers
@therealgrayfox almost forgot about it. I watched a playthrough of it and its great. Might play it myself one of these days
Kinda strange how similar Alan Wake is to how creation works in Berserk with the collective unconscious creating evil itself.
Love this analysis! Alan Wake is perhaps one of my most favorite games of all time, I remember when I was in my teens playing this and telling my mother who loves Stephen King to watch the opening to the game because of the opening quote. The joy this game brought me was incredible. The soundtrack itself was just as incredible.
Alex Casey is actually Max Payne, but Remedy can't use his real name anymore, because Take-Two interactive and Rockstar games ownes the rights.
I'd only been subscribed to you for a few months and I've only seen a handful of your videos but this one was my favorite by far Love your work
While I don't remember the reason why the name was changed (copyright shenanigans or somthing like that)
Alex Casey *is* Max Payne, one of the pages even quoting the game directly
I'm not sure if it was purposeful on the part of the devs (who are finns), but if you translate the wake part into finnish as waking up, you kinda get the phrase "alan herätä", which if translated back to english would mean "i am starting to wake (up)". Or just simply translate the Alan to "i am beginning/starting to". Anyway, that's my fun fact for the day.
Thanks for your knowledge, it’s great to hear you.
I totally agree. That's why I really like media that brings to light out innate ability to create, cast and make manifest from no thing into some things. To in form into reality
I recently finished Alan Wake Remaster for the first time (started it about a year ago, but didn't finish then) and I really enjoyed it. The gameplay and animation is a little janky compared to modern games and the driving sections suck big time. But the story and atmosphere is phenomenal.
Remedy really seems to love the franchise since they never let it die. They kept it alive with references in Quantum Break and Control (which got a whole DLC based around AW) I really appreciate it when a developer is passionate about what they're making. I'm sure Remedy will take what they learned in Control (which, IMO, had fantastic gameplay) and make Alan Wake 2 even better.
Remedy is one of those developers who just seems to get better with every game and they tend to only make games they are passionate about.
Cauldron Lake is Alan's unconscious, but his "lake" is connected to an ocean/ collective unconscious.
Alan Wake is like reading a good book you can do it a bunch 😂😂
I love Control. Got the platinum on it twice for PS4 and PS5
I've been a big fan of Remedy since MP1 but not owning an Xbox I'd never played AW. I've spent the last few weeks playing everything I can from this shared universe Remedy have created. All I have left to play is QB. I'm obsessed atm. Super hyped for AW2 and Control 2.
I just started playing through Alan Wake again, in anticipation for the second game, for maybe my 8-10th playthrough. I am in the same boat. I have a very tough time articulating specifically what's so great about it. There are games out there that do certain things better than AW does. The combat in Alan Wake isn't anything special, the voice acting leaves something to be desired, and even after so many playthroughs, I still don't full grasp the story; but for some reason, the way all of the elements come together is very impressive. You are drawn in by the world right from the start, and the end of every chapter gives you that "let's do one more" kind of feeling. It also does that thing that movies do, where you are somehow brought into a sort of dream-like trance as you experience it.
Yeah, Finnish weird is an unconventional literary genre, I strongly suggest to look into that as well.
3:55 This game is hard as hell, just finished it. Abviouslly was worth it, but was a hell of a time. I hate spoopy games, but i love them.
Get them to play Control; that usually works, at least theyll see the brilliance of the story. The way Control sells their story will let them at least become interested in the universe. Although i played Alan Wake remake before Control. REMEDY'S story telling in Alan Wake made me interested in Control, and Control made me buy AW2. And even though all 3 games play very differently being interested in the lore of it all made me love all 3 of them. But Control will sell it for most gamers, i can see people liking that one more.
Remedy makes very deep games the lore always goes deep like in control
A minor technicality comment, scarabs are rather common in Europe (native from Eastern EU here). Its not that hard to find at all.
I don't think it resides beneath cauldron lake but cauldron lake is a place where is.....bubbles up. Well where darkness bubbles up, but to me it stands to reason if there are bad places like that than there might be good alternatives as well....
I got Alan Wake back in 2014. Only played 2 hours because of performance issues on my PC.
I'm about to jump back in for a first full playthrough. Think I've put it off long enough.
It's funny you posted this just shortly after one of the other channels I subscribe to, Liana K, just made a video about this game's themes as well.
I'm getting a sense of "Project Stargate" here.
My friend and I got ourselves an XBox over the first lockdown and besides obvious coop fun like Halo and Gears I also got myself a digital copy of Alan Wake because I was always interested in it. What can I say it became an instant all-time favorite of mine and I'm so excited for the sequel.❤
Alan Wake is a derpy game that had its pants fall down and fell over right before the finish line of being good. But I love it.
The phrase "it's not a lake, it's an ocean" still lives rent free in my head.
@@RandoLePerson I got the point, but all the product placement, derpy character animation and Stephen King fanboying is still there.
Why Alan Wake is great. It's well written. The atmosphere is terrifying. The narrative is palpable. It's the best of Silent Hill, but with Eldritch horror instead of psychological horror. It IS the Silent Hill 2 of eldritch horror
I’ve been waiting 12 years for the sequel, I N E E D this game to come out RIGHT THIS FUCKINGG SECOND
How come your comment isnt removed even though you swore, i thought youtube doesnt allow swearing anymore, i get a warning every time i try to post bad words that arent even swearing like id-e- ot, and get them hidden???
@@-pressxtostart- I have no idea "XD
Alan Wake rewards the player for exploration and paying attention to details.. I spend more time walking around the woods looking for thermoses and hidden items then walking the trail. I don’t like to look up the collectible locations
I have Alan Wake to thank for sparking my passion for writing. Yes I did have a faint interest in reading and writing stories, but that passion to write meaningful stories that were thought through thoroughly? That didn't come to fruition until the completionist in me collected the Manuscripts and actually listened to the philosophy of the writer Alan Wake is. How archetypes were used and ultimately subverted in the game. The Twists and Hidden Subtexts found in the Manuscripts. Also I fucking adore Barry as a character, he is that friend who you don't want around too much but will fucking die for you at a moment's notice.
Powerful stuff. Great analysis! My mind is racing through memetics, reflexivity, self-fulfilling prophecies, collective unconscious, archetypes, light & shadow, yin and yang, dualism as a form of manipulation and brainwashing, Bible references "In the beginning was the Word".
Sam Lake...you hack! His games are like unending literature puns and references to literature puns. And I love them.
Also being avid consumer of too much SCP articles: "yeah noosphere, duh."
I reseached archatypes before now,2/3 days before now,and some1 said archatypes arent just people.
The last sentence gave me massive goosebumps. Just one more month !
the trailers alex casey actor is max payne's model, in case you did'nt recognize